@professorrespect:
I mean, Manhunter's better than Xavier, the dude is multi planetary in TP, he's a heavyweight of epic proportions
Right but Mind Gem Moondragon put him into a coma with a casual blast so she alone is probably on MMH's level. And Xavier has a feat feats near the Multi Planetary level.
Until she starts scanning dimensions and pulling billions of minds in seconds, I ain't buying it. Xavier ain't MMH levels, he ain't up there, and Moondragon was already blocked by him lol, what does that say about the tiers ere
Xavier has that Skrull feat, it ain't consistent for him tho so whatever, Xavier usually functions under a planetary range, and at times even needs to prep to even get at that level sometimes (like when he faked his death for months to prepare for a alien invasion, and this was Classic Xavier as well)
Thanos hasn't done anything worth writing home about, he blocked a normal Moondragon (who's like, mid tier in telepathy and is pretty poor)
Moondragon got canonically weakened after she killed Drax, Thanos beat a peak Moondragon before that. And he didn't block Moondragon, he took her out.
A peak Moondragon is still da same one who's best feat is taking over millions of minds on one planet in a slow period of time......mid tier feat lol, even guys like Quire would give her trouble based on their respective feats (holding off the Phoenix with help, blocking Red Onslaught for hours, who had Xavier's mind and telepathic might, blocking Rachel Grey, trapping Wolverine in a telepathic coma for two issues)
Beating a mid tier makes Thanos....not a mid tier? wooo, he might be able to give Gamesmaster a challenge
Mind Gem Moondragon beat Xavier......and yet, was also blocked by him in a another fight from using her telepathy, she sucks
She wasn't bloodlusted in that situation
Bloodlust actually makes telepaths worse in most cases (especially in Marvel, where this is showcased in more detail in some fights) clouds their mind and blinds them to attacks, which is why guys like Shadow King exploit emotional weaknesses in his foes- put them off, make them angry, make them unfocused
Cassandra Nova did this exact thing (exploit Emma Frost's rage and insecurity over recent events) to slow manipulate her into doing what she wanted her to do via a tiny piece of her unconsciousness
if anything, no bloodlust sounds better
Adam Warlock doesn't have anything of note from what I can see
He's kicked out weaker Moondragon while unconscious,
Cassandra Nova did better and neutralised Jean Grey and Emma Frost while unconscious and she didn't even have a consciousness to speak of at the time lol, beating a nerfed mid tier is a rubbish feat and not worth anything
and also casually pulled Quasar into the Astral Realm who iirc has pretty good TP resist.
Like what
Also worth noting Strange and Surfer were also both present at this point.
Perhaps, you don't know if they were assisting in anything or not tho
I know you know I think Surfer alone has the TP resist to keep out MMH. If J'onn goes into Thor's mind it'll take out J'onn for Thor.
I'm pretty sure Thor isn't as good as Surfer, the feats I've seen suggest so
How is Thor not losing here while he's getting harassed by the other members lol
Because none of them can really hurt him, and he can easily take out all of them with the possible exception of struggling with J'onn.
With perfect teamwork and blood lust, you can have Flash using moves he doesn't usually use, Batman staying outta the fight and commanding the others with perfect instructions, WW using her gear to slow down Thor, Superman actually using his speed, etc, lots of stuff that can be pulled off
I doubt Thor's gonna walk through all that with his bad speed, while also Manhunter is throwing basically Fernus levels of telepathic power at him (Fernus is just J'onn with nothing holding him back, so we're talking about a Manhunter unleashed, where he is capable of easily wiping the minds of the JLA, hundreds of White Martians who share close levels to Manhunter himself) and I think Thor isn't Fernus levels of resisting, he ain't bud
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