Thor vs Hulk & Abomination

Scenario: Hulk and Abomination run into Thor in a Canadian Forest. They are in a bad mood and challenge the Thunder God to a great fight.

Location & Rules

Thor stomps Hulk and Abomination real hard.

Thor stomps.

Thor > Hulk > Abomination

Thor stands up after battle "ez"

Thor is already about equal with Hulk, I don't see how he would beat a bloodlusted Hulk AND Abomination while his morals are still turned on. I don't think there's any way Thor could win this aside from flying up in the sky and shooting constant lightning bolts at hulk until he finally fainted (which seems out of character to me).

@austyn12090 said:

Thor is already about equal with Hulk, I don't see how he would beat a bloodlusted Hulk AND Abomination while his morals are still turned on. I don't think there's any way Thor could win this aside from flying up in the sky and shooting constant lightning bolts at hulk until he finally fainted (which seems out of character to me).

Thor>>>>>>>>>Hulk.

Don't get into this Thor vs Hulk thing. Everyone already knows Thor is superior.

Not really, "God Blast" 2 fried Hulks on stick for dinner.

thor with morals on against the bloodlusted team, hmmm, tho i think thor should win with his wider range of abilities, i think his morals and godly ego would kick in, thus facing a defeat...i don't know how ppl think thor would stomp here as he has virtually never stomped any version of hulk tbh...

Thor stomps. 
 
To my knowledge Thor met Abo only once, he betrayed him and Thor cameback in time to one-shot him. I doubt that he won't repeat that. 
And this will leave Thor vs. Hulk . Again. 
 
BTW bloodlust for team, is actually a point for Thor, who will more likely use more powerfull moves. A specially against Abo.

RKT would stomp all verions of Hulk easily

Close, unless this is some amped up Thor. I give it to Thor though.

thor one shotting abom is a low showing on abom, just as gladiator one shotting thor is a low showing on thor's side...abom is a physical match for the hulk, why he is out of this battle so quick when this is 2 on 1 is beyond me...

@TheSilentOne said:

This is basically Thor vs Hulk, seeing as how Thor has one-shot the Abomination.

Tough fight. Based on their history:

If Thor uses his brute strength alone, Hulk will win.

If Thor uses his hammer's abilities, Thor will win.

Either way, it'll be a tough battle.

Actually, if this is just simply Thor. I really don't see him being able to solo both of them at the same time. One, physically, is match-able, however two, might prove over whelming.

Thor has two green, lumpy pancakes for dinner.

thor one shotting abom is a low showing on abom, just as gladiator one shotting thor is a low showing on thor's side...abom is a physical match for the hulk, why he is out of this battle so quick when this is 2 on 1 is beyond me...

Thor throws them into outer space - I don't think they can breathe in space

How would Thor win? OP says Thor has morals on, even if they have bloodlust. Thor would probably make some stupid mistake with morals on. Hulk and Abomination are too much for Thor. Also Hulk could easily survive in space and has been thrown to space before and easily survived. Hulk alone couldnt beat Thor because he couldn't get mad enough. With Abomination ( 2x base power of Hulk ) he would have the chance via Abomination buying some time.

For the person above they don't need to breathe Second the team wins. Hulk just smacked down Thor by himself in avengers assemble with one hit. Together with abomination he can him them down easily. Thor has really been powered down as of late. Things like "The God Blast" (ridiculous ability as it was) has not been seen for quite some time and I highly doubt we will see it again.

@czarny_samael666 , be ashamed of using scans from so long ago. Even the dumbest person on this forum knows things have changed since then.

@Kallarkz said:

Hulk just smacked down Thor by himself in avengers assemble with one hit.

when was this?

Avengers assemble four. Last month http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/AA004b.jpg

Avengers assemble four. Last month http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/AA004b.jpg

How would Thor win? OP says Thor has morals on, even if they have bloodlust. Thor would probably make some stupid mistake with morals on. Hulk and Abomination are too much for Thor. Also Hulk could easily survive in space and has been thrown to space before and easily survived. Hulk alone couldnt beat Thor because he couldn't get mad enough. With Abomination ( 2x base power of Hulk ) he would have the chance via Abomination buying some time.

For the person above they don't need to breathe Second the team wins. Hulk just smacked down Thor by himself in avengers assemble with one hit. Together with abomination he can him them down easily. Thor has really been powered down as of late. Things like "The God Blast" (ridiculous ability as it was) has not been seen for quite some time and I highly doubt we will see it again.

@czarny_samael666 , be ashamed of using scans from so long ago. Even the dumbest person on this forum knows things have changed since then.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Things have changed? Not too much actually. Thor wasn't powered down.

In nearly three decades the writing hasn't changed for these characters?

Don't.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Hulk, Abomination, A-Bomb... You can bring as many of them as You want - Thor can just anti-force blast them all.

Then why hasn't he been doing this for decades?

Useless posters such as yourself are constantly perpetuating that classic and current Thor are the same when they are not using the same abilities as before.

Marvel no longer writes Thor the way you want him to be written or give him the abilities he once had.

Mjolnir is not written as a magic wand capable of anything anymore such as using anti-force or mind control.

In a recent comic Marvel itself stated that the abilities of Mjolnir are altering time and space, weather control and allowing flight.

Get with the times and stop using decade old scans to make your point.

hulk and abo at the same time wins over thor .. hulk is like the most hated character in comicvine

i mean i know Thor should win.but he xant even solo hulk.

Thor can beat both.

Why would Abomination and Hulk be walking together?

Anyway Thor stomps

Thors not stomping anything with morals on. He's never "stomped" Savage Hulk in the past so why would he start now. The team wins this.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Things have changed? Not too much actually. Thor wasn't powered down.

In nearly three decades the writing hasn't changed for these characters?

Don't.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Hulk, Abomination, A-Bomb... You can bring as many of them as You want - Thor can just anti-force blast them all.

Then why hasn't he been doing this for decades?

Useless posters such as yourself are constantly perpetuating that classic and current Thor are the same when they are not using the same abilities as before.

Marvel no longer writes Thor the way you want him to be written or give him the abilities he once had.

Mjolnir is not written as a magic wand capable of anything anymore such as using anti-force or mind control.

In a recent comic Marvel itself stated that the abilities of Mjolnir are altering time and space, weather control and allowing flight.

Get with the times and stop using decade old scans to make your point.

Thors not stomping anything with morals on. He's never "stomped" Savage Hulk in the past so why would he start now. The team wins this.

hulk and abo at the same time wins over thor .. hulk is like the most hated character in comicvine

@czarny_samael666

No he can't. He is not being written that way anymore and period. It hurts...I know...but current Thor cannot do the majority of the things that you claim he still can.

I could sit here and argue with you about it and show scans where individuals Thor has teamed up with have stated that he cannot do anything to help people who are mind controlled even though in the classic days he could but then another random individual who also would be a waste of time would ask me the very same questions.

Hence why I have created a topic to define what current is. Why argue with you when there are 20 other individuals who waste peoples time on this forum just like you do. Better to define the rules so that I don't even have to have this same discussion that occurs in all Thor threads.

Thor fanboys are ruining his character...not Marvel.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/for-battles-lets-define-current/680377/#1

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Kallarkz :
1.Yes he can. So, please prove that he can't or stop saying things that You can't prove.
2.You can't convince me with just Your words, You would really have to post a scans in which someone is taking some of his powers from him. Like Immortus did with Mjolnir's ability to time travel.
3.I don't care what is Your definition of "current". It is only a way for people who are mad on Marvel that it didn't make reboot in COIE style. Thor has these powers and this level until You can prove something opposite. You're using cheap tricks to avoid truth, nothing more.

The problem is you people (those who abuse the fact that there are little to no rules in this forum about comic book characters) are like ants. I could either try and argue with you individually about the samme thing over and over again or I can buy some Raid or in this case help define the rules so that this problem doesn't happen again.

Marvel never announced they were taking away Sunspots ability to fly. The writers just did one day. And after that he had to be carried...one time he almost died in an explosion because he couldn't fly out but was saved.

Warpath never officially lost the ability of flight but he simply is not written that way anymore and is only seen jumping high.

Thor once use mind control with Mjolnir decades in the past but in a recent book the Vision told Thor there was nothing he could do with his abilities to help people with mind control.

DC does retcons while Marvel simply ceases to write their characters with certain abilities and give no explanation as to why. Just because Marvel does not do things like DC does does not make the change of writing any less valid. That is an issue you need to take up with Marvel. I would suggest attending the Comic Con and presenting that question at a panel. I could come up with many more examples but I believe my point has been made.

I'm not here to "convince" you of anything. This discussion has further strengthened my resolve to define what "Current" means on this forum because individuals like you make it nearly impossible to hold a worthwhile debate.

Team take this

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Kallarkz :
1.Yes he can. So, please prove that he can't or stop saying things that You can't prove.
2.You can't convince me with just Your words, You would really have to post a scans in which someone is taking some of his powers from him. Like Immortus did with Mjolnir's ability to time travel.
3.I don't care what is Your definition of "current". It is only a way for people who are mad on Marvel that it didn't make reboot in COIE style. Thor has these powers and this level until You can prove something opposite. You're using cheap tricks to avoid truth, nothing more.

The problem is you people (those who abuse the fact that there are little to no rules in this forum about comic book characters) are like ants. I could either try and argue with you individually about the samme thing over and over again or I can buy some Raid or in this case help define the rules so that this problem doesn't happen again.

Marvel never announced they were taking away Sunspots ability to fly. The writers just did one day. And after that he had to be carried...one time he almost died in an explosion because he couldn't fly out but was saved.

Warpath never officially lost the ability of flight but he simply is not written that way anymore and is only seen jumping high.

Thor once use mind control with Mjolnir decades in the past but in a recent book the Vision told Thor there was nothing he could do with his abilities to help people with mind control.

DC does retcons while Marvel simply ceases to write their characters with certain abilities and give no explanation as to why. Just because Marvel does not do things like DC does does not make the change of writing any less valid. That is an issue you need to take up with Marvel. I would suggest attending the Comic Con and presenting that question at a panel. I could come up with many more examples but I believe my point has been made.

I'm not here to "convince" you of anything. This discussion has further strengthened my resolve to define what "Current" means on this forum because individuals like you make it nearly impossible to hold a worthwhile debate.

Morals would makes things a bit tricky for Thor, but I'm pretty sure he'll get pissed off too.

@czarny_samael666 said:

You can always make battle with Your own rules. You can define how which powers they have and which they don't. Why do You want to take the same freedom from others?

People will still be able to create threads with the other rules in place but when the term "Current" used it would apply certain rules to certain topics.

Get off your soapbox. Nobody is attempting to take away anybody's freedoms away. Calm down and take this for what it is: A comic book site. But due to people like you, more and more arguments are created.

Yes Sunspot can fly...NOW...in this current Regenesis run...before this he inexplicably couldn't.

Vision is just wrong? How...Wait...I'm doing it.

You don't seem to understand. Your actual opinion about these things at this moment in time means absolutely nothing to me due to the fact that the rules on this site are too broad.

We do not agree. Plain and simple. We have had this conversation before and I am tired of discussing this same thing with you over and over again. For some reason, you believe your own individual opinion of what a character can or cannot do is paramount.

With the topic I have opened and informed moderators about, a voting process will start in which users will decide up to how many years a characters past can be taken into account when determining what their current abilities are. Yes it could be 5 or 10. How can i be taking freedom from people when we are giving them the opportunity to vote and choose?

If you don't like what results from that topic...simply don't participate in the threads that say "Current".

I am attempting to find some kind of order while you want to be able to do whatever you want.

Sorry. Everything changes.

@Kallarkz:

Yes or no question:

Has there been a Thor retcon?

@TheSilentOne said:

@Kallarkz:

Yes or no question:

Has there been a Thor retcon?

Your question would apply better to DC,

Marvel has altered abilities without retcons and made it noticeable that those abilities were absent.

@TheSilentOne said:

@Kallarkz:

Yes or no question:

Has there been a Thor retcon?

Your question would apply better to DC,

Marvel has altered abilities without retcons and made it noticeable that those abilities were absent.

@czarny_samael666 said:

You can always make battle with Your own rules. You can define how which powers they have and which they don't. Why do You want to take the same freedom from others?

People will still be able to create threads with the other rules in place but when the term "Current" used it would apply certain rules to certain topics.

Get off your soapbox. Nobody is attempting to take away anybody's freedoms away. Calm down and take this for what it is: A comic book site. But due to people like you, more and more arguments are created.

Yes Sunspot can fly...NOW...in this current Regenesis run...before this he inexplicably couldn't.

Vision is just wrong? How...Wait...I'm doing it.

You don't seem to understand. Your actual opinion about these things at this moment in time means absolutely nothing to me due to the fact that the rules on this site are too broad.

We do not agree. Plain and simple. We have had this conversation before and I am tired of discussing this same thing with you over and over again. For some reason, you believe your own individual opinion of what a character can or cannot do is paramount.

With the topic I have opened and informed moderators about, a voting process will start in which users will decide up to how many years a characters past can be taken into account when determining what their current abilities are. Yes it could be 5 or 10. How can i be taking freedom from people when we are giving them the opportunity to vote and choose?

If you don't like what results from that topic...simply don't participate in the threads that say "Current".

I am attempting to find some kind of order while you want to be able to do whatever you want.

Sorry. Everything changes.

Abomination would not really be a factor in this. As for Thor and Hulk, with morals It will be a pretty close battle, but I still think Thor will come out on top.

Abomination would not really be a factor in this. As for Thor and Hulk, with morals It will be a pretty close battle, but I still think Thor will come out on top.

@czarny_samael666 said:

You simply won't participate in those topics in the future then.

End of story.

Based on the way Thor has been written in the last years this team beats him,

If i were to use scans from 30 years ago I could make a case for him winning though.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@mcool135 said:

Abomination would not really be a factor in this. As for Thor and Hulk, with morals It will be a pretty close battle, but I still think Thor will come out on top.

Hmmm... We both agree that Abo isn't a factor. But... Abo is stronger than Savage Hulk and won with him already. So how Hulk is a factor, if Abomination isn't? P.S. That is why I belive that Hulk should never be able to hurt without PIS. If we would made battles like: Wonder Man vs. Hulk, Abo vs. Hulk, (wet) Namor vs. Hulk, Bi--Beast vs. Hulk, we will have a good debate and we wouldn't be sure who will win it. If we would put these people against Thor, it will be problably locked (as Abo vs. Thor and Thor vs. Hulk already were) due to hard stomp in Thor's favor. Yet, when put Hulk against Thor, it somehow seems harder and IDK why. If both of them are much below Thor's capabilities and Thor often (in comparision to other heroes) like to kill his enemies, then how this battle isn't a spite one?

While Abomination is stronger than the Hulk in "calm" state, his strength does not increase with anger as the Hulk's does. Which is pretty much why I said Abomination is not much of a factor, even though I do agree that the Hulk does win most of his battles against Abomination through PIS. Now that I have had time to think about it the fight may be on the Hulks and Abominations side seeing as Thor has his morals. I kind of agree with you on this being a spite battle because I don't see how this is even a fair fight with Thor having morals, I don't think this is a curb stomp but I do see Hulk and Abomination taking the cake in this one.

@mcool135 said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@mcool135 said:

Abomination would not really be a factor in this. As for Thor and Hulk, with morals It will be a pretty close battle, but I still think Thor will come out on top.

Hmmm... We both agree that Abo isn't a factor. But... Abo is stronger than Savage Hulk and won with him already. So how Hulk is a factor, if Abomination isn't? P.S. That is why I belive that Hulk should never be able to hurt without PIS. If we would made battles like: Wonder Man vs. Hulk, Abo vs. Hulk, (wet) Namor vs. Hulk, Bi--Beast vs. Hulk, we will have a good debate and we wouldn't be sure who will win it. If we would put these people against Thor, it will be problably locked (as Abo vs. Thor and Thor vs. Hulk already were) due to hard stomp in Thor's favor. Yet, when put Hulk against Thor, it somehow seems harder and IDK why. If both of them are much below Thor's capabilities and Thor often (in comparision to other heroes) like to kill his enemies, then how this battle isn't a spite one?

While Abomination is stronger than the Hulk in "calm" state, his strength does not increase with anger as the Hulk's does. Which is pretty much why I said Abomination is not much of a factor, even though I do agree that the Hulk does win most of his battles against Abomination through PIS. Now that I have had time to think about it the fight may be on the Hulks and Abominations side seeing as Thor has his morals. I kind of agree with you on this being a spite battle because I don't see how this is even a fair fight with Thor having morals, I don't think this is a curb stomp but I do see Hulk and Abomination taking the cake in this one.

Agreed.

@czarny_samael666 said:

You simply won't participate in those topics in the future then.

End of story.

Based on the way Thor has been written in the last years this team beats him,

If i were to use scans from 30 years ago I could make a case for him winning though.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@mcool135 said:

Abomination would not really be a factor in this. As for Thor and Hulk, with morals It will be a pretty close battle, but I still think Thor will come out on top.

Hmmm... We both agree that Abo isn't a factor. But... Abo is stronger than Savage Hulk and won with him already. So how Hulk is a factor, if Abomination isn't? P.S. That is why I belive that Hulk should never be able to hurt without PIS. If we would made battles like: Wonder Man vs. Hulk, Abo vs. Hulk, (wet) Namor vs. Hulk, Bi--Beast vs. Hulk, we will have a good debate and we wouldn't be sure who will win it. If we would put these people against Thor, it will be problably locked (as Abo vs. Thor and Thor vs. Hulk already were) due to hard stomp in Thor's favor. Yet, when put Hulk against Thor, it somehow seems harder and IDK why. If both of them are much below Thor's capabilities and Thor often (in comparision to other heroes) like to kill his enemies, then how this battle isn't a spite one?

While Abomination is stronger than the Hulk in "calm" state, his strength does not increase with anger as the Hulk's does. Which is pretty much why I said Abomination is not much of a factor, even though I do agree that the Hulk does win most of his battles against Abomination through PIS. Now that I have had time to think about it the fight may be on the Hulks and Abominations side seeing as Thor has his morals. I kind of agree with you on this being a spite battle because I don't see how this is even a fair fight with Thor having morals, I don't think this is a curb stomp but I do see Hulk and Abomination taking the cake in this one.

Thor

@czarny_samael666: You made some very good points and I pretty much agree with everything you said! (And shame on anyone who thinks what happened in Avengers Assemble #4 isn't PIS )

Gotta go with Thor on this one ;p

@Jorgevy said:

@Kallarkz said:

Hulk just smacked down Thor by himself in avengers assemble with one hit.

when was this?

In a bad movie where the Hulk was built up and Thor was basically a thunder version of Ironman so his argument has no traction

Thor wrecks in effortless curbstomp