@thesupremebeing: No way BRB has a power advantage, thor has the odinforce and can use the godblast on command. Plus thor has been seen to use mjolnirs ability's (lightning conjuration, weather manipulation) without actually using it. While BRB hasn't been seen doing so without stormbreaker.
@thesupremebeing: No way BRB has a power advantage, thor has the odinforce and can use the godblast on command. Plus thor has been seen to use mjolnirs ability's (lightning conjuration, weather manipulation) without actually using it. While BRB hasn't been seen doing so without stormbreaker.
Beta Ray Bill should take this. His track record against Thor is actually very good. In their first encounter he was able to match Thor head on, and though the fight never really concluded (Thor transformed into Donald Blake iirc), the fact is BRB was giving Thor a beating long before he had Stormbreaker. In unarmed combat the two went into a double KO, and again, this was before BRB had Stormbreaker.
Finally, Thor fights like an idiot. He doesn't use his powers to their full potential most the time, and it has lead to his downfall time and time again. Beta Ray Bill, on the other hand, always seeks out any advantage he can have or get, and doesn't hold back. Bill goes after the win...period. For that reason I think he would have the upper hand. Over and above this he has shown to be faster in most scenarios, as well shown superior tactics, and comparable strength.
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2 of the most awesome warriors ever. I have mad respect for beta ray bill and his honor.but Thor wins this fight because he has a lot more experience with the power of mjilner( butchered that word).
Beta Ray Bill he doesn't hold back as much as Thor does. He just hit things with full power not just plain brawling like Thor 80% of the time does, there is always lightings in even his regular hammer smashes
Why no questions? Bill technically has better feats than Thor and consistently uses Stormbreaker to its full tactical prowess. Thor's combat tactics are almost always hit stuff with hammer, throw hammer at stuff with the occasional lightning. Bill holds back much less than Thor too.
@lvenger: Why not? Ben Reilly uses his powers more effectively than Spider-Man when in character, Supergirl holds back less than Superman, doesn’t mean she’d beat him, or that Ben could beat Spider-Man. Though Thor is often nerfed in contrast to dealing with lower tier villains, for every feat of Bill using Stormbreaker properly, we have better and applicable feats of Thor using Mjolnir’s capabilities. Thor outclasses Bill in striking power too.
Thor has more ways to win than Bill IMO despite him not being as old as Thor he's pretty much shown his Korbinite training has put him on a skill level that lets him deal with people like Thor plus that durability/damage soak he has. I also feel he is more strategic than Thor
I'd give it a 5/10 for both
or a 6/10 for Thor he has alot more ways to win than Bill being as without his hammer he still has the lightning abilities (and w/o his hammer he still has the uncoupling option )
You could give either a majority depending on where they fight and how they are feeling -(Bill's gonna hold back morals on (especially if Sif is standing by)
Thor has some amazing feats when he's alone in his own series. However when he joins the Avengers on their heroic duties on Earth that's when he becomes nothing but a punching bag for both strong (Acceptable) and weak (Not logical) foes. BRB however mostly fights enemies close to his own level of power so his measure of holding back is less..Therefore he show's greater use of his own powers even when he's with a team..
In this fight however I would say they're gonna tie.
@lvenger: Why not? Ben Reilly uses his powers more effectively than Spider-Man when in character, Supergirl holds back less than Superman, doesn’t mean she’d beat him, or that Ben could beat Spider-Man. Though Thor is often nerfed in contrast to dealing with lower tier villains, for every feat of Bill using Stormbreaker properly, we have better and applicable feats of Thor using Mjolnir’s capabilities. Thor outclasses Bill in striking power too.
Do you have examples in mind? Because I can safely say I know Thor's feats quite well and for every high end feat he has, it's usually against a cosmic or Skyfather level being. Thor doesn't get loose with Mjolnir's versatility unless he's facing those kinds of foes. In contrast, Bill uses Stormbreaker's full range of abilities on a regular basis. And Bill's shattered planets too so it's not as if he's unable to match Thor's striking power making that argument of yours not applicable to this fight due to Bill's comparable striking feats.
As for your examples, neither Bill Reiley nor Supergirl are equal to Spider-Man and Superman respectively. We both know Superman outclasses Supergirl by a wide margin but that isn't the case with Thor and Bill. They're both equals but one cuts loose more than the other.
@lvenger: Why not? Ben Reilly uses his powers more effectively than Spider-Man when in character, Supergirl holds back less than Superman, doesn’t mean she’d beat him, or that Ben could beat Spider-Man. Though Thor is often nerfed in contrast to dealing with lower tier villains, for every feat of Bill using Stormbreaker properly, we have better and applicable feats of Thor using Mjolnir’s capabilities. Thor outclasses Bill in striking power too.
Do you have examples in mind? Because I can safely say I know Thor's feats quite well and for every high end feat he has, it's usually against a cosmic or Skyfather level being. Thor doesn't get loose with Mjolnir's versatility unless he's facing those kinds of foes. In contrast, Bill uses Stormbreaker's full range of abilities on a regular basis. And Bill's shattered planets too so it's not as if he's unable to match Thor's striking power making that argument of yours not applicable to this fight due to Bill's comparable striking feats.
As for your examples, neither Bill Reiley nor Supergirl are equal to Spider-Man and Superman respectively. We both know Superman outclasses Supergirl by a wide margin but that isn't the case with Thor and Bill. They're both equals but one cuts loose more than the other.
Thor has utilized Mjolnir's versatility much more than Bill did with Stormbreaker, the reason it would seem Bill has used it better is due to his appearances which is very small compared to Thor's. In one series you may see Bill teleporting, tracking energy or release blasts averagely twice within a battle or without. While Thor has done equally the same and even twice as much in the same capacity, of-course his signature attacks consists of throwing the hammer, lightning and smashing as you stated, but the rest of his attacks aren't left hanging as much:
Four times in an Avengers series he utilizes the Anti-force, and energy blasts in other issues not far from it
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Thor tracking energy and life energy, then using his full control over Mjolnir to help Thunderstrike after opening a portal to banish Mangog.
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In the first scan he uses Mjolnir's magic to create an Anti-vortex, scans 2-4 opens portals in an issue apart, last two involves draining, amping and re-directing
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Opens a portal to an ocean in order to cool down a heating planet
Some of these techniques Bill has no access to giving Thor more choices, and the capacity (such as opening wider portals) have shown to be greater.
It should also be noted that I didn't post scans that include Thermo blast, Gale attacks and kept short the portal opening instances which would have a highlighted an even bigger difference in how many times they use their versatility.
Thor has utilized Mjolnir's versatility much more than Bill did with Stormbreaker, the reason it would seem Bill has used it better is due to his appearances which is very small compared to Thor's. In one series you may see Bill teleporting, tracking energy or release blasts averagely twice within a battle or without. While Thor has done equally the same and even twice as much in the same capacity, of-course his signature attacks consists of throwing the hammer, lightning and smashing as you stated, but the rest of his attacks aren't left hanging as much:
Exactly, he consistently uses it on the foes he fights whereas Thor only uses it on Skyfather to Cosmic Abstract level threats. You and I both know that most of Thor's battle tactics comprise of hit stuff with hammer, throw hammer at stuff with the occasional lightning. Those are his go too tactics and whilst they're good for overpowering someone, they don't work when someone matches or surpasses Thor in power even if they're powerhouses like he is. I guarantee you that this is why Thor has trouble with powerhouses on the battle forums because in character, he doesn't think to use Mjolnir's full versatility. It's also why he has trouble with Hulk as he fights him on Hulk's terms in a brawl rather than fighting smartly. Thor is not a smart fighter whereas Bill consistently uses Stormbreaker more tactically.
Four times in an Avengers series he utilizes the Anti-force, and energy blasts in other issues not far from it
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You're plucking the Anti Force suggestion completely out of thin air with no evidence to remotely support that conclusion. Thor only utilised The Anti Force against Mangog and Thanos and both of those are beyond powerhouse level threats like Bill is to Thor. As for the other energy blasts, I'm aware Thor does use energy blasts but they're not of the standard needed to put Bill down. The last ones are against the Phoenix Force which again supports my conclusion that Thor only uses Mjolnir's full versatility on Skyfather to Cosmic Abstract level threats.
Thor tracking energy and life energy, then using his full control over Mjolnir to help Thunderstrike after opening a portal to banish Mangog.
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Tracking life energy isn't relevant in combat and BFR would only work if the opponent could be immobilised long enough for Thor to use it on him or has no way of coming back. None of which applies to Bill.
Some of these techniques Bill has no access to giving Thor more choices
I've seen Bill use energy absorption and redirection on the Herald Stardust
He's also teleported a meteor onto the surface of Ego The Living Planet
And though it's not relevant in combat, Stormbreaker has a tracking feature too
So what was that you were saying about Bill having more options than Thor? And that Thor has more options than Bill? Because I think I've shown Bill's abilities are tit for tat with Thor's. But Bill actually uses them effectively in combat and holds back less.
Opens a portal to an ocean in order to cool down a heating planet
It should also be noted that I didn't post scans that include Thermo blast, Gale attacks and kept short the portal opening instances which would have a highlighted an even bigger difference in how many times they use their versatility.
See Bill opening portals in my previous post.
And it should also be noted that Thor rarely uses Thermo Blasts in combat. You cannot claim he would use it consistently against Bill. And I've highlighted Bill's versatility as being easily the equal of Thor's so the difference in versatility is far from being anywhere near as different as you falsely claim it is. In reality, Bill uses his versatility more effectively and regularly than Thor.
@lvenger: That is the problem, Bill doesn't really use it ''more consistentley'' - we've just seen him use it more with the ratio of showings. We have Beta Bray Bill with 152 canon appearances, in contrast to Thor who has over 2,200 canon appearances. It's only logical and fair to apply all of Thor's showings in which he uses his abilities. Beta Ray Bill would necessitate as the type of powerhouse that Thor would fight with his full powerset.
In Fear Itself, a relatively new and perfectly valid showing, Thor instead of brawling BFR'd an amped Hulk with teleportation. Thor is smart.
@lvenger: That is the problem, Bill doesn't really use it ''more consistentley'' - we've just seen him use it more with the ratio of showings. We have Beta Bray Bill with 152 canon appearances, in contrast to Thor who has over 2,200 canon appearances. It's only logical and fair to apply all of Thor's showings in which he uses his abilities.
That logic fails utterly when you see how many times Thor just uses bludgeoning and throwing his hammer in combat. You have to factor in consistency and context with their feats. Bill uses his abilities to their near fullest in many more of his appearances whereas Thor does not fight smart in many of his battles. You cannot deny or overlook how characters use their powersets in battle as Thor does not have the tactical mind Bill does to justify him using Mjolnir's versatility nearly as effectively as Bill does. It's a double standard to try and justify that claim.
@lvenger: That is the problem, Bill doesn't really use it ''more consistentley'' - we've just seen him use it more with the ratio of showings. We have Beta Bray Bill with 152 canon appearances, in contrast to Thor who has over 2,200 canon appearances. It's only logical and fair to apply all of Thor's showings in which he uses his abilities.
That logic fails utterly when you see how many times Thor just uses bludgeoning and throwing his hammer in combat. You have to factor in consistency and context with their feats. Bill uses his abilities to their near fullest in many more of his appearances whereas Thor does not fight smart in many of his battles. You cannot deny or overlook how characters use their powersets in battle as Thor does not have the tactical mind Bill does to justify him using Mjolnir's versatility nearly as effectively as Bill does. It's a double standard to try and justify that claim.
You should check my edit with a recent Hulk fight.
We have to factor in consistencey, but we also have to factor in showings. We can't just write off all these showings of Thor using versatility if we have all these other showings of him not, he's brawled with Hulk, cool, but we also have the recent showing of him BFR'ing Hulk rather than brawling. Superman for instance has a lot of speed feats, and thus these can be used in combat, but there are ALOT of times in which he has brawled under writer's pen, I do not think his speed feats are nullified because of that.
It's not entirely fair to write off his abilities IMO.
@lvenger: That is the problem, Bill doesn't really use it ''more consistentley'' - we've just seen him use it more with the ratio of showings. We have Beta Bray Bill with 152 canon appearances, in contrast to Thor who has over 2,200 canon appearances. It's only logical and fair to apply all of Thor's showings in which he uses his abilities.
That logic fails utterly when you see how many times Thor just uses bludgeoning and throwing his hammer in combat. You have to factor in consistency and context with their feats. Bill uses his abilities to their near fullest in many more of his appearances whereas Thor does not fight smart in many of his battles. You cannot deny or overlook how characters use their powersets in battle as Thor does not have the tactical mind Bill does to justify him using Mjolnir's versatility nearly as effectively as Bill does. It's a double standard to try and justify that claim.
You should check my edit with a recent Hulk fight.
We have to factor in consistencey, but we also have to factor in showings. We can't just write off all these showings of Thor using versatility if we have all these other showings of him not, he's brawled with Hulk, cool, but we also have the recent showing of him BFR'ing Hulk rather than brawling.
Which thread are we talking about here?
And we have to factor in both and combine them to see how the characters fight. Take Wolverine vs Thing for example. Based on feats of power, Ben trumps Logan's feats by miles. But the way Logan fights using speed, skill, damage soaking and agility makes the way Logan fights ideal for taking Ben down in a battle. Your BFRing example doesn't work in this context because if Thor BFRs Bill, Bill just teleports back. I admit Thor does use BFR a fair amount but it wouldn't work in this battle when his foe has the same power he does.
And we have to factor in both and combine them to see how the characters fight. Take Wolverine vs Thing for example. Based on feats of power, Ben trumps Logan's feats by miles. But the way Logan fights using speed, skill, damage soaking and agility makes the way Logan fights ideal for taking Ben down in a battle. Your BFRing example doesn't work in this context because if Thor BFRs Bill, Bill just teleports back. I admit Thor does use BFR a fair amount but it wouldn't work in this battle when his foe has the same power he does.
I would not agree, because in that sense, we have feats of Wolverine cutting Hulk and even Thanos, Ben can't reallly counter that and Wolverine's damage soak has tanked hits from powerhouses far above Ben. Thor has more showings against street-levelers so this IMO may lower the way in which people perceive his abilities, and the example of Fear Itself isn't to say he'll BFR Bill, it's just to demonstrate he used his abilities instead of brawling in a new and relevant showing.
@frozen: It doesn't change my point that how someone uses their power set can be just as crucial as the power set itself. And since Bill and Thor are mostly equals in every way, the main difference in deciding who'd win would be in how they use their powers. And in that area, Bill comes out top. It's a recent thought for me though and I'm trying this argument out now to see how it works.
@frozen: It doesn't change my point that how someone uses their power set can be just as crucial as the power set itself. And since Bill and Thor are mostly equals in every way, the main difference in deciding who'd win would be in how they use their powers. And in that area, Bill comes out top. It's a recent thought for me though and I'm trying this argument out now to see how it works.
I once thought the same for Scarlett Spider beating Spider-Man, but I don't take that view anymore IMO because if we get into the nitty gritty of it, we can find just as good showings of Thor using his versatility, the only difference is Thor has a lot more showings alltogether so we may be used to seeing Thor not use his powers in comics, we can gauge Thor will hold back more but he's not exactly a moral compass, and we have to assume characters are fighting to the best of their ability but still within character, thus Thor's versatility showings are applicable to the extent that is relevant.
I once thought the same for Scarlett Spider beating Spider-Man, but I don't take that view anymore IMO because if we get into the nitty gritty of it, we can find just as good showings of Thor using his versatility, the only difference is Thor has a lot more showings alltogether so we may be used to seeing Thor not use his powers in comics, we can gauge Thor will hold back more but he's not exactly a moral compass, and we have to assume characters are fighting to the best of their ability but still within character, thus Thor's versatility showings are applicable to the extent that is relevant.
Except that I guarantee you that those best versatility showings are performed on Skyfather to Cosmic Abstract level threats. Even when fighting teambusters like Ultron or Thanos recently, Thor does not fight smart at all. He just hits them in the face with hammer and lightning and that doesn't work when your foe is more powerful than you are. Unless you can find evidence which contradicts this claim, I can assuredly say that Thor won't be likely to use his full versatility fighting Bill. In contrast, Bill fighting to the best of his ability is much more effective than Thor and he's done much better against Heralds and cosmic beings than Thor has.
Exactly, he consistently uses it on the foes he fights whereas Thor only uses it on Skyfather to Cosmic Abstract level threats. You and I both know that most of Thor's battle tactics comprise of hit stuff with hammer, throw hammer at stuff with the occasional lightning. Those are his go too tactics and whilst they're good for overpowering someone, they don't work when someone matches or surpasses Thor in power even if they're powerhouses like he is. I guarantee you that this is why Thor has trouble with powerhouses on the battle forums because in character, he doesn't think to use Mjolnir's full versatility. It's also why he has trouble with Hulk as he fights him on Hulk's terms in a brawl rather than fighting smartly. Thor is not a smart fighter whereas Bill consistently uses Stormbreaker more tactically.
Bill uses his versatility on the exact same level of those who Thor uses his on, and the amount of time they have used it in battle, Thor clearly outnumbers him 4-1. For example, Bill absorbed stardusts blast and re-directed it, Modern Thor has done that twice against both Kang and Thanosi who are both close in power, adding to that his absorbed heat vision energy from both Hyperion and count Nefario, transmuted Absorbing mans body once he realized his adaption. His go to go tactics come first but the rest of his power are still arrive in large numbers from comic to comic, not as regular as lightning but much more than the amount of time Bills used
You're plucking the Anti Force suggestion completely out of thin air with no evidence to remotely support that conclusion. Thor only utilised The Anti Force against Mangog and Thanos and both of those are beyond powerhouse level threats like Bill is to Thor. As for the other energy blasts, I'm aware Thor does use energy blasts but they're not of the standard needed to put Bill down. The last ones are against the Phoenix Force which again supports my conclusion that Thor only uses Mjolnir's full versatility on Skyfather to Cosmic Abstract level threats.
Not at all, Anti-force is commonly reffered to as an exerted force whether its life-force or Mystical energy (which is what Mjolnir is packing, not specifically reffering to the Anti-force that was stated to shatter a planet in two. And again, whether its against cosmic foes or not, I'm showing the difference on how many times they use their versatility. Bills has smaller appearances, but if you estimate how many times he used it in his history (same with Thor), the conclusion would still be Bill having less.
Tracking life energy isn't relevant in combat and BFR would only work if the opponent could be immobilised long enough for Thor to use it on him or has no way of coming back. None of which applies to Bill.
Immobilizing Bill would be difficult but accomplished, his inferior in all stats including durability and striking. The only thing he has going for him is letting more loose, but that would only delay the inevitable, since Thor would soon enough have and send deadlier attacks. Though I'm not saying Thor would bfr Bill, simply showing the difference in how many times they used it.
I've seen Bill use energy absorption and redirection on the Herald Stardust
He's also teleported a meteor onto the surface of Ego The Living Planet
And though it's not relevant in combat, Stormbreaker has a tracking feature too
So what was that you were saying about Bill having more options than Thor? And that Thor has more options than Bill? Because I think I've shown Bill's abilities are tit for tat with Thor's. But Bill actually uses them effectively in combat and holds back less.
No, you've shown he has the ability to open portals and tracking, while I've shown Thor do those as well as creating an Anti-vortex, and amping an attack once absorb before re-directing. Not exactly tit for tat when Bill has indicated none of those abilities with Stormbreaker.
Opens a portal to an ocean in order to cool down a heating planet
It should also be noted that I didn't post scans that include Thermo blast, Gale attacks and kept short the portal opening instances which would have a highlighted an even bigger difference in how many times they use their versatility.
See Bill opening portals in my previous post.
And it should also be noted that Thor rarely uses Thermo Blasts in combat. You cannot claim he would use it consistently against Bill. And I've highlighted Bill's versatility as being easily the equal of Thor's so the difference in versatility is far from being anywhere near as different as you falsely claim it is. In reality, Bill uses his versatility more effectively and regularly than Thor.
And I haven't claimed he would use Thermo blast for this battle rather indicating he has more choices when faced in battle, and no you haven't highlighted Bills versatility to be equal to Thor's, he still lacks more than 3 techniques that Mjolnir has shown to have and stormbreaker not.
Bill uses his versatility on the exact same level of those who Thor uses his on, and the amount of time they have used it in battle, Thor clearly outnumbers him 4-1. For example, Bill absorbed stardusts blast and re-directed it, Modern Thor has done that twice against both Kang and Thanosi who are both close in power, adding to that his absorbed heat vision energy from both Hyperion and count Nefario, transmuted Absorbing mans body once he realized his adaption. His go to go tactics come first but the rest of his power are still arrive in large numbers from comic to comic, not as regular as lightning but much more than the amount of time Bills used
As I said before, Thor uses the full range of Mjolnir's versatility on Skyfather to Abstract Cosmic beings. For the one time he's used energy absorbing on Thanosi, I can cite two more times when he's just bashed the real Thanos in the face.
Transmuting Absorbing Man is a classic scan and can be discounted just like a lot of Thor's classic showings can be in relation to how powerful he is and how he fights in his current incarnation. You know Current Thor is different from Classic Thor and their feats cannot be wholly applied to one another. And I've shown the full range of Bill's powers and they're the equal of Thor's versatility along with Bill's obvious willingness to use his full versatility
Not at all, Anti-force is commonly reffered to as an exerted force whether its life-force or Mystical energy (which is what Mjolnir is packing, not specifically reffering to the Anti-force that was stated to shatter a planet in two. And again, whether its against cosmic foes or not, I'm showing the difference on how many times they use their versatility. Bills has smaller appearances, but if you estimate how many times he used it in his history (same with Thor), the conclusion would still be Bill having less.
Totally incorrect on the Anti Force front, something I fail to see why you persist in when the argument has already been nullified by me. Prove Thor used the Anti Force in those Avengers scans because I distinctly recall them being generic energy blasts rather than the Anti Force. And the Anti Force never shattered a planet in too at all, the scans only stated that the Anti Force was supposed to shatter a planet in two. Feats>statements and whilst powerful, the Anti Force is not a planet busting attack. Also, you fail to comprehend the obvious fact that Thor does not fight smartly or tactically. Writers constantly make that the case with Thor, even one of the greats Walter Simonson said that in a recent interview about his new series. He doesn't fight smart, he fights in the way I describe in almost every occurrence barring when the plot needs him to have him use one of Mjolnir's powers or against extremely powerful beings.
Immobilizing Bill would be difficult but accomplished, his inferior in all stats including durability and striking. The only thing he has going for him is letting more loose, but that would only delay the inevitable, since Thor would soon enough have and send deadlier attacks. Though I'm not saying Thor would bfr Bill, simply showing the difference in how many times they used it.
This is honestly easily debunkable, I thought you'd know better than this. Bill can casually survive in stars just like Thor can
And he can one shot planets just like Thor can. Heck this feat is technically better than Thor's because Bill is in character and not bloodlusted or morals off. Just pushed to the edge of his limits whereas Thor was definitely morals off in Blood and Thunder.
I believe that debunks your flawed idea that Thor and BRB are not equal in durability and striking power. They're equal in almost every way. And there's no proof Thor's deadlier attacks would work on Bill. Either because Bill can absorb them as well as I proved in my last post or that the Godblast takes ages to charge up.
No, you've shown he has the ability to open portals and tracking, while I've shown Thor do those as well as creating an Anti-vortex, and amping an attack once absorb before re-directing. Not exactly tit for tat when Bill has indicated none of those abilities with Stormbreaker.
I showed Bill absorbing, amplifying and redirecting a Herald level Power Cosmic attack so that's tit for tat. And here's one attack where Bill amps his strikes with Stormbreaker's lightning
That's tit for tat even if you want to ignore it.
And I haven't claimed he would use Thermo blast for this battle rather indicating he has more choices when faced in battle, and no you haven't highlighted Bills versatility to be equal to Thor's, he still lacks more than 3 techniques that Mjolnir has shown to have and stormbreaker not.
Thor does not use Thermo Blasts, Anti Vortexes or the other stuff you've mentioned regularly enough for you to even remotely think that it's justifiable to claim Thor can use them in combat. The rarity of those showings is below 3 times which would be needed for consistency or are against higher tier beings. In contrast, Bill uses all his versatility regularly and to great effect. Ignore it if you want but Bill uses his full range of powers more regularly and more effectively than Thor does. That's why Bill would be more likely to win than Thor.
As I said before, Thor uses the full range of Mjolnir's versatility on Skyfather to Abstract Cosmic beings. For the one time he's used energy absorbing on Thanosi, I can cite two more times when he's just bashed the real Thanos in the face.
Never denied smashing and Lightning were used more than the rest of his abilities, in fact they're almost 3 times as more, but rather he has used other abilities more than Bill has consistently.
Transmuting Absorbing Man is a classic scan and can be discounted just like a lot of Thor's classic showings can be in relation to how powerful he is and how he fights in his current incarnation. You know Current Thor is different from Classic Thor and their feats cannot be wholly applied to one another. And I've shown the full range of Bill's powers and they're the equal of Thor's versatility along with Bill's obvious willingness to use his full versatility
Verily, except Bill transporting a meteor onto Ego is also classic scan, so you may decide whether we're mentioning them or not, I had no obligation to do so until then since I got the idea we were measuring the counts overally.
And I've shown the full range of Bill's powers and they're the equal of Thor's versatility along with Bill's obvious willingness to use his full versatility
Bill has used his versatility in the same willingness Thor has, Stardust shot a blast and so he decided to absorb and re-direct, the tactic came to Thor's mind when he also did the same with two characters on the same level. The extent of their range abilities also operate in different sets, with Mjolnir's enchantments having a greater effect
Totally incorrect on the Anti Force front, something I fail to see why you persist in when the argument has already been nullified by me. Prove Thor used the Anti Force in those Avengers scans because I distinctly recall them being generic energy blasts rather than the Anti Force.
You're misinterpreting my statements, Antiforce and Energy blasts have a close definition except an energy blasts can be any type while an Anti-force is specifically proclaimed to be mystic or life-force based. The four instances in which he used the energy blasts are mystical since they came from enchanted Mjolnir, the Anti-force he fired at the Thanosi holds a more effective damage and withholds the name.
And the Anti Force never shattered a planet in too at all, the scans only stated that the Anti Force was supposed to shatter a planet in two. Feats>statements and whilst powerful, the Anti Force is not a planet busting attack. Also, you fail to comprehend the obvious fact that Thor does not fight smartly or tactically. Writers constantly make that the case with Thor, even one of the greats Walter Simonson said that in a recent interview about his new series. He doesn't fight smart, he fights in the way I describe in almost every occurrence barring when the plot needs him to have him use one of Mjolnir's powers or against extremely powerful beings.
I never said it did rather 'said' which is what I typed, but if you don't believe it can shatter a planet in two, then that's your choice but it was clearly how powerful the writer intended it to be and I agree. Thor has fought smart in many occasions just not as consistent, most of which come from using other abilities and not ordinary ones that work either way.
This is honestly easily debunkable, I thought you'd know better than this. Bill can casually survive in stars just like Thor can
Energy based resistance =/= Blunt force. Their durability against energy based attacks are on the same level, Thor has greater resistance against blunt force which both stormbreaker and Mjolnir carry and if they are going to start striking with it, Thor will easily last longer.
And he can one shot planets just like Thor can. Heck this feat is technically better than Thor's because Bill is in character and not bloodlusted or morals off. Just pushed to the edge of his limits whereas Thor was definitely morals off in Blood and Thunder.
That's arguably superior to Thor's planet busting shown in blood and thunder but not current Thor who was shattering planets with shockwaves while being miles away from the worlds, and shaking stars with the impact caused from Mjolnir. The smallest star can be 10 times the size of Jupiter, it would take above planet level striking to even finch it.
He did use two Mjolnir's, but they were still hit one at a time, making it impossible for two shockwaves to shake the star at the same time. Superior to any striking feat Bill has indicated
I believe that debunks your flawed idea that Thor and BRB are not equal in durability and striking power. They're equal in almost every way. And there's no proof Thor's deadlier attacks would work on Bill. Either because Bill can absorb them as well as I proved in my last post or that the Godblast takes ages to charge up.
Not at all, you've only shown they are equal in energy based durability, Thor still has superior feats in the categories of striking, other sets of durability, power and versatility. Hardly almost, not claiming Bill is far behind in those stats, simply isn't on Thor level.
I showed Bill absorbing, amplifying and redirecting a Herald level Power Cosmic attack so that's tit for tat. And here's one attack where Bill amps his strikes with Stormbreaker's lightning
Highlight the statement in which is said that once Bill absorbed stardust blast he amped it, I see Bill attacking with the Odinforce within Stormbreaker rather than double the power he absorbed. And the difference is still average, lets recap:
Bill has shown tracking, opening portals, energy blasts, lightning, absorption
Thor has shown tracking, opening portals, energy blasts, Anti-force, lightning, absorption/re-directing, amping, Anti-vortex
No tit for tat here
Thor does not use Thermo Blasts, Anti Vortexes or the other stuff you've mentioned regularly enough for you to even remotely think that it's justifiable to claim Thor can use them in combat. The rarity of those showings is below 3 times which would be needed for consistency or are against higher tier beings. In contrast, Bill uses all his versatility regularly and to great effect. Ignore it if you want but Bill uses his full range of powers more regularly and more effectively than Thor does. That's why Bill would be more likely to win than Thor.
I disagree, its an option that can be stated depending on what state Thor is in, morals on its unlikely since most of those attacks come in when his tired on bashing it out or is simply angry. It can however be argued that Thor 'will' eventually use it as a battle prolongs such as this battle since the two are not far behind in both physical attributes not power. Bill's versatility does not only operate at a lower level, but has also available limited techniques. Which is why Thor will always get the better.
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