@AngryHulks: I love it when people post that scan. It's Thor trying and failing to tag Quicksilver directly, and then resorting to an AOE attack to knock him off his feet because he couldn't otherwise tag him. If anything, it just underlines Thor's lack of speed.
If Quicksilver wanted to hit Thor 10 times before he could react, he'd do it.
@Baldy said:
I'm thinking Quicksilver. Thor fighting at high speeds is a myth.
Changed my mind. He stops at Spider-Man. Now to brace myself for Thor rage.
Spider-Man's already blitzed Thor once and hit him more than 10 times before he could react.
@AngryHulks: It's The Mighty Thor #448, published in the early 90's. If you want a more recent example of underwhelming combat speed from Thor, there's this:
@Baldy: Is this still valid for debate? Or it is expired?
I see no reason why it wouldn't be, in the grand scheme of things 20 years isn't a lot in comic terms. Thor fans seem comfortable using scans this old in his support.
@Baldy: Is this still valid for debate? Or it is expired?
I see no reason why it wouldn't be, in the grand scheme of things 20 years isn't a lot in comic terms. Thor fans seem comfortable using scans this old in his support.
I'm not huge Thor fan, but Classic Thor does have some close-quarter speed feat, but I won't use it anyway.
I'm not huge Thor fan, but Classic Thor does have some close-quarter speed feat, but I won't use it anyway.
Well when Stan Lee was writing Thor had super-speed. Its after he stopped writing Thor speed went down the hill.
I can present at least 5 instances that shows Thor is slow, these would include:
1. Getting blitz by Mongoose.
2. Getting blitz by Mongoose again.
3. Getting blitz by Spiderman.
4. Getting hit by the training metal balls that Captain America was dodging for exercise, he even commented Thor was slow in terms of reaction speed.
5. Getting blitz by Wolverine.
With so many instances where his speed has looked under-whelming, its pretty hard to argue Thor is fast regardless of whether you are a Thor fan or not, its just that most people dont know this has happened.
@CitizenBane: That's bad writing plain and simple. There are threads here that show Thor's speed which is sufficient to clear the list here.
Hardly. There are threads here which show Thor's speed from decades in the past, he uses it sparingly at best in the present. He's only fast enough to clear this list if you dredge up feats from decades in the distant past, and that's hardly proof of any kind of consistency in his speed.
@CitizenBane: I am aware of that. But you cannot just ignore those feats. I know that Thor suffers from inconsistency and bad writing but all those feats are legit and should be used in any argument.
@CitizenBane: I am aware of that. But you cannot just ignore those feats. I know that Thor suffers from inconsistency and bad writing but all those feats are legit and should be used in any argument.
I can dismiss them as inconsistent in the larger picture of how fast Thor is in an average showing, sure. It's a perfectly reasonable thing to do if he only whips out his speed once every 50 showings.
@AngryHulks: Thor is not slow. He has enough feats to prove that he is capable of moving FTL. He suffers from bad writing, that's all.
Capable of moving FLT in flight, that of course he can, the question being asked is reaction feat.
Apart from the vaunted micro-second reaction feat Thor showed against Living Talisma, a being who has no superspeed, all the combat speed i can recall have been either block light based attack, bullets or has been described as "superhuman" and "lightnight swift". None of which are quantifiable.
There certainly are more instance where he has outright been shown to be slow. I mean how often do you see a guy with super-speed getting blitz?
These are rare scans. Though this is more of a high-end feat, this shows that Thor is not suppose to be slower than street-levelers.
oh for the love of....you do realize that everyone here is talking about reaction speed and not travel speed, right? Thor sorta gets pulled by his hammer when he flies, and mjolnir does travel FTL, but Thor does not react at high end speeds.
oh for the love of....you do realize that everyone here is talking about reaction speed and not travel speed, right? Thor sorta gets pulled by his hammer when he flies, and mjolnir does travel FTL, but Thor does not react at high end speeds.
I know that reaction and travel speed is different, but he won't be able to sense (or catch) Red Hulk falling into the black holes if he didn't have reflexes.
Even if the rest is invalid, at least his first 2 scans show it.
oh for the love of....you do realize that everyone here is talking about reaction speed and not travel speed, right? Thor sorta gets pulled by his hammer when he flies, and mjolnir does travel FTL, but Thor does not react at high end speeds.
I know that reaction and travel speed is different, but he won't be able to sense (or catch) Red Hulk falling into the black holes if he didn't have reflexes.
Even if the rest is invalid, at least his first 2 scans show it.
Then how come he gets blitzed by everyone with super speed?
@AngryHulks: Thor had the Odinforce during that fight with Iron Man, and he has another much more recent fight against Rachel where she blasted him with a psi-bolt and he didn't react to it. And that was before she made her own psi-hammer and knocked him on his ass with it.
Or maybe only one version of the fight had the psi-bolt, idk.
But yeah, setting aside the scans that are decades old, Thor has rare demonstrations of reaction speed. Now and then. Fact remains that he has more demonstrations of struggling with people who have barely any speed worth mentioning and occasionally people who don't have any speed at all (two recent fights with Tutinax and two others with Taurus are testament to this).
@CitizenBane: The problem is that most of the writers show Thor to be brawler and not someone who uses their speed effectively like Superman. They don't show him to be a fighter who uses his his speed to his advantage. Hell, some of these writers don't even know that he is fast. So that's the problem. This is the same problem that plagues Wolverine. Even though he is probably the best fighter in the Marvel Universe Earth but he is never shown to be one. Because writers want to show him as a guy who just stabs at people with wild fury and shows of his healing factor. Thor has the feats to show that he is fast.
oh for the love of....you do realize that everyone here is talking about reaction speed and not travel speed, right? Thor sorta gets pulled by his hammer when he flies, and mjolnir does travel FTL, but Thor does not react at high end speeds.
I know that reaction and travel speed is different, but he won't be able to sense (or catch) Red Hulk falling into the black holes if he didn't have reflexes.
Even if the rest is invalid, at least his first 2 scans show it.
Then how come he gets blitzed by everyone with super speed?
Because he is not speedster, my point is that Thor have shown some feat that no street-levelers should be capable of doing it. In another word, he have potential to be faster than street-levelers and all normal human.
oh for the love of....you do realize that everyone here is talking about reaction speed and not travel speed, right? Thor sorta gets pulled by his hammer when he flies, and mjolnir does travel FTL, but Thor does not react at high end speeds.
I know that reaction and travel speed is different, but he won't be able to sense (or catch) Red Hulk falling into the black holes if he didn't have reflexes.
Even if the rest is invalid, at least his first 2 scans show it.
Then how come he gets blitzed by everyone with super speed?
Because he is not speedster, my point is that Thor have shown some feat that no street-levelers should be capable of doing it. In another word, he have potential to be faster than street-levelers and all normal human.
Like every character y'know, Thor has high showings and low showings (mostly low recently), but he's consistently portrayed as not someone with, say, the level of speed and agility of Spiderman, hell, that scan showed Thor admitting Wolverine is faster than he is. Old scans (like the ones from Journey into Mistery from the 60s) are pretty iffy and inconsistant.
For the sake of argument (and this is just me) I usually tend to ignore Thor used super speed in the 60s cause then it makes me think that Thor is just some buffoon that forgot all of his powers in a convenient manner. I mean, what sort of dork possesses super speed and doesn't use it in combat?
I still gotta go with the more consistent showings.
oh for the love of....you do realize that everyone here is talking about reaction speed and not travel speed, right? Thor sorta gets pulled by his hammer when he flies, and mjolnir does travel FTL, but Thor does not react at high end speeds.
I know that reaction and travel speed is different, but he won't be able to sense (or catch) Red Hulk falling into the black holes if he didn't have reflexes.
Even if the rest is invalid, at least his first 2 scans show it.
Then how come he gets blitzed by everyone with super speed?
Because he is not speedster, my point is that Thor have shown some feat that no street-levelers should be capable of doing it. In another word, he have potential to be faster than street-levelers and all normal human.
Like every character y'know, Thor has high showings and low showings (mostly low recently), but he's consistently portrayed as not someone with, say, the level of speed and agility of Spiderman, hell, that scan showed Thor admitting Wolverine is faster than he is. Old scans (like the ones from Journey into Mistery from the 60s) are pretty iffy and inconsistant.
For the sake of argument (and this is just me) I usually tend to ignore Thor used super speed in the 60s cause then it makes me think that Thor is just some buffoon that forgot all of his powers in a convenient manner. I mean, what sort of dork possesses super speed and doesn't use it in combat?
I still gotta go with the more consistent showings.
I'm not debating for Thor or anything, I'm just showing some of Thor's high-end feat.
Let me go a bit off-topic, I can think of more idiots who have super speed and didn't use it: Silver Surfer
@AngryHulks: That Flash scan is mine lol. That's not Flash being slow. That's Flash being distracted by his own thoughts and getting lost in them to the point where he couldn't distinguish the present from the possible futures he could see based on his actions. Once the bullet struck his forehead while he was lost in thought, he reacted to it within a femtosecond. If he hadn't been fast, he'd be dead.
oh for the love of....you do realize that everyone here is talking about reaction speed and not travel speed, right? Thor sorta gets pulled by his hammer when he flies, and mjolnir does travel FTL, but Thor does not react at high end speeds.
I know that reaction and travel speed is different, but he won't be able to sense (or catch) Red Hulk falling into the black holes if he didn't have reflexes.
Even if the rest is invalid, at least his first 2 scans show it.
Then how come he gets blitzed by everyone with super speed?
Because he is not speedster, my point is that Thor have shown some feat that no street-levelers should be capable of doing it. In another word, he have potential to be faster than street-levelers and all normal human.
Like every character y'know, Thor has high showings and low showings (mostly low recently), but he's consistently portrayed as not someone with, say, the level of speed and agility of Spiderman, hell, that scan showed Thor admitting Wolverine is faster than he is. Old scans (like the ones from Journey into Mistery from the 60s) are pretty iffy and inconsistant.
For the sake of argument (and this is just me) I usually tend to ignore Thor used super speed in the 60s cause then it makes me think that Thor is just some buffoon that forgot all of his powers in a convenient manner. I mean, what sort of dork possesses super speed and doesn't use it in combat?
I still gotta go with the more consistent showings.
I'm not debating for Thor or anything, I'm just showing some of Thor's high-end feat.
Let me go a bit off-topic, I can think of more idiots who have super speed and didn't use it: Silver Surfer
Haha, yeah, if this was a good writing or non-PIS, then he should get to another side of the world before the bullet even left the barrel.
Well that part is explained in the issue, he was thinking about his friend getting distracted and seeing past / future (well at least what he though would happen). The moment he saw the bullet he used his femptosecond reaction time to dodge it.
Also i totally dont agree with the whole Silver Surfer thing, he has shown nanosecond reaction time twice, shown he can react faster than 3 times the speed of light, and its even explained why he gets hits because he holds back his speed. The same cant be said for Thor because he has been speedblitz 4 times, once can be chalked as bad writing, ignoring 4 instances is difficult.
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