Thor (IW) vs. Darth Sidious (Canon)

Round 1: No Stormbreaker, no lightsaber

Round 2: Stormbreaker, no lightsaber

Round 3: No Stormbreaker, lightsaber

Round 4: Stormbreaker, lightsaber

Both are bloodlusted.

Fight to the death.

Location: Rainbow bridge (Asgard)

Thor stomps kek

Poor Sidious.

Sidious stomps IMO.

@sirfizzwhizz: How? Canon Sidious while strong doesn't have that much feats.

Thor takes most of these rounds

@dragonborntookanarrowtotheknee: Canon Vader TK has lifted way more than the damage output Hulk done to Thor in Ragnorok.

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These boulders combine and thrown at high speeds is easily comparable to Kurse best strength feat who ragdolled Thor physically.

Same for this strength of TK feat. Well above MCU Hulk when he beat on Thor in Ragnorak.

A blast of power from somewhere under the throng of creatures drove four lyleks ten meters into the air, their bodies shattered by the force of the impact, limbs and tentacles showering down in a macabre rain. His Master stood in the center of the circle of surviving lyleks, his hair mussed, his robe torn, his lightsaber in hand, but otherwise seemingly unharmed.

-- Lords Of The Sith

As if on command, the lyleks surged toward them from all sides. As one, Vader and his Master channeled the Force and unleashed blasts of power that slammed into the advancing creatures, shattering several and casting six or seven hard against the walls. Still the lyleks came on, chittering and grasping and slashing.

-- Lords of the Sith

Whats a lylek?

Both of these quotes have Sidiouds shattering armored tank level Lyleks.

More Kurse boulder level feats with casual TK.

Sidious is well above him.

Lightsaber and TK shields counter lightning. By canon feats no less.

This energy gun is as powerful as any lightning attack from Thor. Lightsaber deflect it fine.

Lightsabers have a natural absorbing ability for electricity in general.

Telepathy is also a option.

“Come here, girl,” the Emperor said, putting the power of the Force into his command.

Unable to resist, the girl walked out of the tree line until she stood, small and vulnerable, before him.

With preternatural speed the Emperor drew, ignited, and slashed at the girl with his lightsaber, but Vader had sensed his Master’s intent and moved with greater speed, igniting his own blade and intercepting his Master’s blow before it could land.

The girl, under the sway of the Emperor’s power, seemed scarcely to notice the danger. She simply stood there, staring vacantly, her face aglow in the red light of the crossed blades.

-- Lords of the Sith

No counter. Sidious can literally tell Thor to sit there and look stupid.

Sidious is also much faster in combat speed. Able to dodge or avoid any major attack from Thor and lay on the pain. Sidious can counter all of Thor's abilities, and lay down incredible smack down with TK ragdolling, or drop him with telepathy even. I also need to bring up this fact....

Thor was DROPPED by a small scale tazer. Tazer device :/ Pretty sure Sidious own lightning can do better to Thor as well.

Thus Sidious wins.

Is Thor Infinity War, not Thor Ragnarok !

Thor (IW) is so most powerfull and with stormbreaker... No Words.

Thor's not winning this lol the Force makes him a puppet

@stalin-is-steel: Please, watch the movie ( Avengers Infinity War ).

I did. Maybe read the Star Wars comics? Or, if you are lazy (based on that half assed response) look at the feats right above you, and have a nice long think.

Sidious's speed edge, combined with telepathy, pre-cognition, and internal TK, is too much, in my opinion.

Thor isn't immune to mind tricks as seen in AoU when Wanda did her trick. That alone could be a winning cause.

Thor in a decent fight. One shot and it's over, and his own speed and versatility should be enough to keep up with Sidious' own. On top of that, his lightning has been shown to fry fodder (something that to my knowledge canon Sidious hasn't really done with a single bolt), and his AOEs are incredibly potent.

Round 1: Thor takes it. One hit and Sidious is down. The only issue is actually connecting with him, though his AOEs and lightning strikes will probably be enough to accomplish this.

Round 2: Thor again.

Round 3: Probably Sidious. A lightsaber could definitely pierce Thor. Then again, Thor also has incredible strength so one mis-step and Sids is dead.

Round 4: Thor again.

@sirfizzwhizz says:

This energy gun is as powerful as any lightning attack from Thor. Lightsaber deflect it fine.

I disagree.

This bolt was capable of temporarily incapacitating Hela, someone whose durability is pretty insane. Not to mention there's his feat against the Chitauri:

Lightsabers have a natural absorbing ability for electricity in general.]

MCU Thor's lightning > canon Dooku's. Besides which, Thor's lightning has shown the ability to branch off into multiple bolts.

Thor was DROPPED by a small scale tazer. Tazer device :/ Pretty sure Sidious own lightning can do better to Thor as well.

1. Thor wasn't embracing his full power at the time. By the end of the film, he was shown to be even more powerful than in his fight with Hulk.

2. That wasn't an electrical attack. In the case of the tazer, it was a neurological one. It's hardly transferable considering that Thor literally coats himself in lightning by the end of the movie.

Sidious is also much faster in combat speed. Able to dodge or avoid any major attack from Thor and lay on the pain.

Sidious may have superior speed, but Thor also has the advantage of not only having a vastly superior weapon, but also one that has been shown to one-shot large amounts of fodder with a single floor strike:

Sidious can counter all of Thor's abilities,

If by counter you mean deflect, he's not stopping Thor's lightning. He doesn't really have any feats to suggest he could.

and lay down incredible smack down with TK ragdolling,

Thor's survived massive blunt force trauma in the past. Punches from Hulk while weakened in Avengers, blows straight to the face from Hulk in Ragnarok, punches from a vibranium enhanced Ultron, a fight with Thanos, etc. In all of these scenarios (with the exception of the last one), he was up and moving about a few seconds to a minute or so later. Sidious' TK will probably just piss him off, if he can even move him. Thor has demonstrated enough physical strength to hold himself to a ring that orbited a neutron star and forced it to move before he did. He could probably just ground himself or throw his hammer at Sidious while Sids is trying to move him (since canon Sids hasn't shown enough TK prowess to physically restrain him).

or drop him with telepathy even.

I admit that's possible, but Thor is far from weak-minded. He's seen through Loki's illusions, for example.

If the worst comes to the worst, Thor can probably just will Stormbreaker to fly around and hit Sidious while he's busy trying to electrocute or pummel Thor with the Force.

thor flim flams and kills sheev. The only part that Thor will have trouble with is no stormbreaker and sheev with a lightsaber. Lightsaber, will cut thor.

On the flip side, Thor just has to grab Sidious and throw him down a shaft. Sidious petty lightning doesn't compare at all to Thor's lightning. Sidious Telekinesis will be an inconvenience to Thor at best. Telepathy is sidious best option, I'll need feats for him using it in battle.

@sirfizzwhizz: Vader is not Sidious. Thor would destroy all those tiny boulders Vader through. Thor would destroy that AT-AT walker quite easily, he destroys spaceships of greater caliber on a whim.

@penguinlover: @jashugan: I would argue this further, as I have so many counters as it is, but both you guys are not good debaters yet. You have potential, but the way you judge feats is just... sigh.... not worth the headache and I take no pleasure arguing with MCU, or any Comic Movie, fans in general which plague this site these days with there "great" feats.

Example why your debates are terrible. The Lightning one. That lightning did no worse damage than what the energy beam did to the whole Jedi Temple in any way. But you go ahead and say its better for reasons.

You state Thor can destroy a AT AT. He sure could by flying into it like a jack ass. Sidious TK meanwhile is STRONGER than any lifting feat Hulk or Thor have, which is the point of Sidious hold Thor down like a bitch.

One of you guys made a coment of Thor is faster lmao. Faster LMAO. Thor is only fast in flight speed. He has zero combat speed that would counter a Sith Lord who moves FTE in attacks, and has Precognition on top of that Spider Sense style. Holy shit...

One of you guys stated Sheevs lightning is oathetic. Whats pathetic is being dropped by a fudging Taser to the neck lmao. Thats sad.

So yeah, not wasting my time. Maybe another few years down the line when MCU films lose their luster just as Sci Fi and Western films did in the past, maybe then we can have decent debates. As I said, I see potential in you guys. Im just too tired of dealing with these kinds of arguments right now.

The man that got punked out by Samuel Jackson wins.

@sirfizzwhizz: Sidious can't hold Thor down with TK unless he weakens Thor. Sidious best TK feats don't come close to what Thor can do on his own.

The what? Sidious lightning can't even destroy the spaceship that he was shocking Luke and Vader on. Thors lightning can destroy chitauri ships. The comic strip you posted just shows Vader deflecting said beam and being knocked back on his ass. If sidious tried the same against Thor, he'd have a constant barrage of lightning shooting down on him.

Wow, great precog certainly helped Sidious when Vader went from behind him, grabbed him, and threw him down a shaft. Precog doesn't help when you don't use it, and when you can't actually react to whats happening. You just get warned that your death is incoming.

How can you call anyone a bad debater when you're still hung up on debating unquantifiable crap like "FTE"?

Yeah, MCU movies are inconsistent, we get it. Sidious doesn't have a taser weapon, he has force lightning which "by feats" is weaker than Thors lightning.

@jashugan:

Sidious lightning can't even destroy the spaceship that he was shocking Luke and Vader on.

Just saying, but the ship they were fighting on was the Death Star, so I doubt Sidious would have destroyed the small moon-sized station. In fact, in The Lords of the Sith, Sidious has fried the inhabitants of a freighter with force lightning (from the outside) then crashed it into the ground with telekinesis.

Thor takes this don't know why it's a debate, nothing Sid has can out Thor down, but Thor can easily put him down

Thor has no answer for TK or TP, no speed feats that outclas or hell really compete with Sids, no durability feats for tanking anything close to a lightsaber in cutting power etc....

Sheev dominates

@amethystgravity: let me try again, Sidious lightning couldn't even destroy the room he was fighting in

Thor can just fly into Sidious face or throw his axe right at sidious face. Being durable and strong is a good counter against TK.

Thor stomps

@sirfizzwhizz: Patronising comments aside (though I do appreciate that I'm not the best debater around by any stretch of the word), I already said to you that while moving an AT-AT is impressive, Thor has grounded himself on a ring that orbits a star and physically forced it to move. In regards to your comment about their lightning, Thor's has easily fried Chitauri whales in a single blast, summoned bolts bigger than the golden palace on Asgard, provided 1/3 of the power needed to heavily damage a vibranium enhanced Ultron, etc etc. Deflecting that energy blast is impressive, but it was enough to throw Vader off-balance with the strike (as your own scan shows). Thor's lightning again has been shown to one-shot fodder, so an opening like that would probably be fatal.

I recognise that you probably won't respond to this either out of personal reasons for not arguing with MCU fans or you just don't see the reason to. All I'll say is that you're lowballing with that tazer scene. The actual tazer was a neurological attack, not an electrical one.

Thor would laugh anything Sidious can throw at him. Lol.

The guy survived a star level blast.

Thor can potentially one-shot him as Sidious's durability isn't anywhere near close to a spaceship durability.

Spite. Thor curbstomps

Thor probably beats Canon Sidious.

Legends Sidious rapes him so hard that stomp might not be enough to describe what will happen there.

Thor.

So neither ?

In terms of fire power, yeah he might be superior due to Worm Hole (even though it's not really usable on 1 v 1 combat) however Sidious still doesn't have a super human level durability which makes him a one-shot material for Thor again.

Also don't use that , it's against the rules;

Round 1: No Stormbreaker, no lightsaber

Thor

Round 2: Stormbreaker, no lightsaber

Thor

Round 3: No Stormbreaker, lightsaber

Sheev

Round 4: Stormbreaker, lightsaber

Eh dunno

Sidious

Yet TK Sidious has is stronger than what Thor can move from.

Sidious lightning is uperior to the neck tazer device.

Sidious lightsaber can cut Thor easy and one shot Thor as well. Thor never tank a star. That been called out and debunk several times. Thor can braely take Hulks blows without being stagger, and Hulk is only roughly a 1000 toner at best.

Sidious has TP feats in canon and legends that will dominate Thor. No defense a all for Thor there.

Sidious is too fast, Thor can barely speed wise keep up with Cap America, Hulk, or Loki.

So far your only argument is "Thor is so strong and he hurt Sidious". Yet we ignore all of Sidious advantages?

You say Thor has grounded himself from a Star. Well thats bullshit and EASILY disproven. Look at all of Thors fight vs Iron Man, Hulk, and Kurse. none of those guys are pushing past 100 tons strength wise, yet all of them are physically hurting and ragdolling Thor. Debunk right there.

You also ignore the arguments of Thor who has issues keeping up with Cap America or Hulk in speed somehow not being blitz or avoided by a guy who out skills, out speeds, and has precog abilities? Wow.

Where is the counter to mental mind control for a win? Oh right, you nor any other Thor fan can provide one.

Hot damn that was easy to counter...

What did I just read...

If you think Thor doesn't have an invulnerability, just leave the thread at once.

A point blank IM blast right over his face. Didn't even bleed him.

Thor's durability >>>> Loki's durability, and even Loki tanked the bullets without any issue.

Lightsaber isn't going to work on someone who can withstand a power of a star, lmao. Get your senses back. Thor would laugh anything that Sidious can throw at him.

Not even mention that amount of power can already vaporize Sidious's physical body, Hulk is easily above of 1000 toners.

The guy is a walking earthquake.

Loki caught an arrow with barehand, Hulk caught a flying super-sonic Aircraft. Thor deflected blaster bolts from Chitauri. Thor only needs a one-punch.

@erkan12: not TP or TKwhich he has no answer for and he his not tanking a lightsaber slash

@jashugan: he has shown literally NO resistance to either

Palps has tk and speed but he can't hurt Thor and Thor can one shot either with a punch or his axe. Thor wins this.

@erkan12: Wow look at all this debunkable nonsense. Lets get to work :)

What did I just read...

Facts that you could not handle.

If you think Thor doesn't have an invulnerability, just leave the thread at once.

Says the Thor fanboy with Thor avatar lol.

A point blank IM blast right over his face. Didn't even bleed him.

Normal humans tank these blasts as well without dying. Also this is a kintetic feat, as in blunt force damage. Your point?

Thor's durability >>>> Loki's durability, and even Loki tanked the bullets without any issue.

And yet bladed weapons harm Thor too. Loki piss poor super strength with a knife is enough to stab through Thor easy. As is Hela's swords that cut Thors eye out and stabbed him through lol. Your point is invalid to say bullet proof matters. A simple Kevlar vest or steel plate can stop bullets lmao.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/is-mcu-thor-bulletproof-1675733/

Hell we have a whole thread debunking Thor's piercing damage feats lmao. Being bullet proof means shit to actual higher caliber weapons or stabbing weapons with decent force behind it. Try harder. Your off to a piss poor start.

Lightsaber isn't going to work on someone who can withstand a power of a star, lmao. Get your senses back. Thor would laugh anything that Sidious can throw at him.

Power of a star eh? This feat been debunk so many times already by many. At best the feat is vague as shit on what kind of force he really tank.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/who-can-replicate-mcu-thors-infinity-war-forge-fea-1946228/

Add to all this, Hulk and more have physically beaten on Thor fine and stun or ragdoll him. But sure, he is Neutron Star level now for reasons LMAO. Try again bias boy lol.

Not even mention that amount of power can already vaporize Sidious's physical body, Hulk is easily above of 1000 toners.

The guy is a walking earthquake.

Shaking 100 feet around you is hardly earthquake lmao. Smallest versions of Godzilla have done the same shit in movies by just walking lmao. Hell, a 9 ton T Rex can make objects shake and move.

Look its a earthquake!!!! Try again.

Loki caught an arrow with barehand, Hulk caught a flying super-sonic Aircraft. Thor deflected blaster bolts from Chitauri.

LOLOLOLOLOL this is by far some of the worst counters I ever seen. Wow.... catching a 300 FPS arrow is a good feat? That is like 1/3 Mach 1 lmao. Hulk caught a aircraft nnot moving at top speed is a feat? hell, we can shoot those aircraft down and done so in real world with bullets lol. That blaster bolt shown faster than bullets? looked slower than Hawkeyes arrows really.

Anakin and Ahsoka casually dodging and deflecting casually Blaster Canons of tanks, and the Sniper Blasters which are faster than real world Sniper bullets. Pushing over Mach 2.

Obi Wan Kenobi and Qui Gon show Faster Than Eyesight speeds. Over Mach 2 feats.

Anakin, Kenobi, and more react and counter electric speed attacks AFTER SAID ATTACK WERE FIRED OFF!!! While I will not state these are Mach 1000s, that be stupid, they have the outliers to show speed well above ANYTHING Thor, or Loki shown in reaction or combat speed. Sidious is faster than all the characters I shown thus far too. This is too easy. Try again.

Thor only needs a one-punch.

One punch is going to be dman hard given Sidious precognition ability, telepathy attacks, TK at range to ragdoll thor into submission, and far superior speed with lightsaber.

Nice argument. Sidious has dozen ways to win vs thor's one, and thor gets speed blitz.

Thor can be KOed as he was by Hulk via Palps TK alone. He can be cut to hell through the Lightsaber. Hell he can have a sharp metal object Tk into him easier than Loki's dagger or Hela swords. TP is a win as well. He could potentially be dropped faster via Force Lightning than he was with the Taser in the neck in Ragnarok. That happen.

Pick one.

@erkan12:

"Durability." A good telepathic attack from Sidious and let's see how much his 'durability' means now.

(Hint: nothing.)

Exactly.

“Come here, girl,” the Emperor said, putting the power of the Force into his command.

Unable to resist, the girl walked out of the tree line until she stood, small and vulnerable, before him.

With preternatural speed the Emperor drew, ignited, and slashed at the girl with his lightsaber, but Vader had sensed his Master’s intent and moved with greater speed, igniting his own blade and intercepting his Master’s blow before it could land.

The girl, under the sway of the Emperor’s power, seemed scarcely to notice the danger. She simply stood there, staring vacantly, her face aglow in the red light of the crossed blades.

-- Lords of the Sith

Sidious can literally tell Thor to sit there and look stupid. Easy win.

This Sidious wank is most pleasing. I retract my previous statement, Papa Sheev wins :)

lol

Sidious stomps.

IW highballing is still going strong I see.

Sidious curbs.

@sirfizzwhizz:

You say Thor has grounded himself from a Star. Well thats bullshit and EASILY disproven. Look at all of Thors fight vs Iron Man

I said he grounded himself on a ring and forced the ring (which stretched around a neutron star, if I might add) to move. It was a strength feat, not an invulnerability to telekinesis feat. I was responding to your implication that Sidious' TK advantage is so immense that he could essentially ragdoll Thor and Thor would be powerless to resist. Not to mention that Thor was weakened during the first Avengers movie.

Hulk,

Except he got up right after being ragdolled by Hulk and sent him flying throughout the fight, lol. He took virtually no damage from that nor from Hulk's repeated strikes directly to his face. I can hardly imagine Sidious being able to withstand that kind of trauma.

and Kurse.

Who surprised him. Thor literally flew straight into him, only to get knocked away while caught off-guard and Kurse pressed the offensive before Thor could recover. How is that a point in Sidious' favour?

none of those guys are pushing past 100 tons strength wise, yet all of them are physically hurting and ragdolling Thor.

So it would take a 100 tonner to hurt Sidious? Right, because canon Sidious can tank explosions from the Bifrost, being at the epicentre of a city sized explosion, an explosion heavily amped by the power stone, or surviving blunt force or piercing trauma from the likes of Loki, Ultron, Hela (who pierced Ragnarok Thor multiple times yet he kept fighting with little discomfort), Thanos with the power stone, etc etc.

Debunk right there.

Then debunks have sorely declined in status recently.

You also ignore the arguments of Thor who has issues keeping up with Cap America

Okay, now I know you're lowballing. When has Thor ever struggled to keep up with Cap?

or Hulk

He was outpacing Hulk for most of the beginning of their Ragnarok fight. It was only when Thor lost his weapons that he started to lose this edge.

in speed somehow not being blitz or avoided by a guy who out skills,

I highly doubt he outskills him. Thor's taken on dozen of fodder soldiers at the same time with his lightning abilities alone, one-shot fodder with his strikes, consistently outskilled Hulk, fought as a near equal to Hela (who soloed the entire Asgardian army including the Warriors Three)...the list goes on. If you want to talk about the technical perspective, very well. I'm more than happy to do so.

out speeds,

Thor's reacted to the likes of Quicksilver, been the only one who was moving when Quicksilver was moving, and moved fast enough to not only block Chitauri blasts and moved tackled Hulk through a steel wall while appearing as a blur.

and has precog abilities? Wow.

And Thor has versatility in the form of potent AOE attacks capable of one-shotting whole groups of fodder, a weapon he can utilise with extreme precision with a single thought, lightning powerful enough to fry fodder and temporarily incapacitate Hela, and teleportation through the Bifrost. Your point?

Where is the counter to mental mind control for a win? Oh right, you nor any other Thor fan can provide one.

Why don't you actually try and read what I said? I said the chances are that a focusing Sidious could dominate Thor's mind, but I also pointed out how he's able to see through Loki's illusions at this point and was aware that what he was seeing when Scarlet Witch manipulated him was an illusion. So yes, I do believe a simple mind trick would prove ineffective against him.

Sidious.

@penguinlover: I love how you try to state Thor was never harm by the likes of Kurse and Hulk yet he was stun and shown to feel pain from them. He was rocked by their blows. lol. Denial mate....

Cap, IM, Kurse, Hulk, and more have landed dozens of blows, or intercepted Thors atttacks. Thus his speed is shit. Thats facts.

What skill quotes you have for Asgardian fodder and Thor. None. Sidious has stated skill feats. Stated that Lightsaber forms are the combination of all known sword fighting styles on earth, split into seven forms. Sidious is a stated master of all seven forms. Boom. Sidious is clearly more skilled to viking train Thor who has no stated mastery of any martial art or weapon form. Wow.

How does seeing through fake illusions which TRICK Thor all the time till Ragnarok, equal mental domination resistance. Hell, even in Ragnarok Thor never "Saw Through" the illusion, he simply wise up to what was a illusion lol. Loki was disguised as Odin for years and Thor never notice till Loki did a out of character thing as Odin lolol. Hot damn.

Looking at past comments, Im glad to see so many people are seeing past the MCU wank and realizing Sidious wins

Comic Thor use Godblast and Sidious is dust. :)

Indeed.