Thor is morals off post IW with stormbreaker
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@bruceveidt: Here is Thor destroying an outrider ship both in normal speed and in slow motion.
Ok. A couple things:
As you can see:
- Ares lightning completely destroyed the watchtower, and that was with a casual move of his hands. Thor's strongest lightnings take time to summon, they are not as instantaneous as this.
Actually, there was clearly a great deal of debris, some pieces of wood being seven feet or bigger.
And Thor has summoned much more powerful bolt of lightning almost instantaneously.
Here Thor one-shots the Bifrost bridge, the same bridge that no-sold a crashing Dark Elf ship. The same ships were mowing through stone building without a scratch.
Here Thor one-shots a leviathan that can no-sell Iron-man's lasers (which in fact cut through trees instantaneously) and flew through buildings with ease.
His TK isn't slow, and is strong enough to crack and lift solid concrete with a slight move of his hands.
It is slow compared to Thor, he has reacted to much faster projectiles with ease. Also, Thor's lightning cloak can disintegrate Hela's blades, Ares' projectiles are made of scrap metal. Thor's lightning cloak will blast through all of Ares' projectiles and even if it couldn't then Thor could easily dodge them.
His TK is strong enough to resemble a low degree of matter manipulation.
What? Please explain your reasoning.
He then gets to actually charge up lightning for a few seconds. Diana completely no sells and absorbs it.
Diana did not no-sell the lightning strike. She blocked and absorbed it. Thor's lightning does not have such a massive tell and is leagues more powerful.
He isn't beating them both simultaneously.
Thor simply has more powerful and more versatile than the both of them. Thus, he defeats them.
As you can see:
- Ares lightning completely destroyed the watchtower, and that was with a casual move of his hands. Thor's strongest lightnings take time to summon, they are not as instantaneous as this.
Actually, there was clearly a great deal of debris, some pieces of wood being seven feet or bigger. Ok i give you that. Though to be fair the explosion came from the inside. It is still impressive if you consider how little time it took to do that.
And Thor has summoned much more powerful bolt of lightning almost instantaneously. This isn't instantaneously, not even almost instantaneously. He's clearly been charging up beforehand, which is my argument here. All his powerful lightnings take time to charge and are easily telegraphed.
Here Thor one-shots the Bifrost bridge, the same bridge that no-sold a crashing Dark Elf ship. The same ships were mowing through stone building without a scratch.
Here Thor one-shots a leviathan that can no-sell Iron-man's lasers (which in fact cut through trees instantaneously) and flew through buildings with ease. Yes, i'm not saying his lightning isn't powerful. What i'm saying is they take time to charge up, and thus are easily telegraphed.
His TK isn't slow, and is strong enough to crack and lift solid concrete with a slight move of his hands.
It is slow compared to Thor, he has reacted to much faster projectiles with ease. Also, Thor's lightning cloak can disintegrate Hela's blades, Ares' projectiles are made of scrap metal. Thor's lightning cloak will blast through all of Ares' projectiles and even if it couldn't then Thor could easily dodge them. Yes, but Ares' TK isn't just capable of throwing blades. He could restrain him the same way he did to WW.
His TK is strong enough to resemble a low degree of matter manipulation.
What? Please explain your reasoning. What i'm saying is he can create objects by desintegrating others.
He then gets to actually charge up lightning for a few seconds. Diana completely no sells and absorbs it.
Diana did not no-sell the lightning strike. She blocked and absorbed it. Thor's lightning does not have such a massive tell and is leagues more powerful. It does have a massive tell, as i've said above. Secondly, Ares destroyed the watchtower with a slight move of his hand, here he gets to charge up for several seconds. There's no reason to believe it wouldn't be at least 10x more powerful than the one he used on the watchtower, seeing how it pushed back WW. Keep in mind WW stood still the full blast of Doomsday's heat vision, then stood still within DD's energy waves, the same waves that were capable of completely destroying a small town. Ares manages to push her back.
He isn't beating them both simultaneously.
Thor simply has more powerful and more versatile than the both of them. Thus, he defeats them. He beast Ares 1v1. He can beat WW with difficulty. Not both simultaneously.
It damaged the ship from the inside. He clearly busted through the ship with Stormbreaker, and then the cloak did the damage from the inside. Proof is, the Outriders he flew by are intact. They seem stunned, but that's it.
You can clearly see the damage is done from the inside, and it is made by an explosion of some sorts, most likely by the presence of fuel or other factors, since lightning wouldn't produce fire unless it makes contact with a flamable substance/object.
First of all the outriders were outright killed by each lightning bolt. Second of all, the lightning clearly went from the inside and broke through the outside hull as well. As shown here.
It damaged the ship from the inside. He clearly busted through the ship with Stormbreaker, and then the cloak did the damage from the inside. Proof is, the Outriders he flew by are intact. They seem stunned, but that's it.
You can clearly see the damage is done from the inside, and it is made by an explosion of some sorts, most likely by the presence of fuel or other factors, since lightning wouldn't produce fire unless it makes contact with a flamable substance/object.
First of all the outriders were outright killed by each lightning bolt. Second of all, the lightning clearly went from the inside and broke through the outside hull as well. As shown here.
What i mean is, if the cloak was able to cause that much destruction, the outriders would've been vaporized or desintegrated for being that close. They weren't. They died, yes, but remain whole.
If you look closely, the lightning comes out after the explosion. Lightning can't bust through metal. Metal is conductive, lightning travels through it, doesn't break it.
You can even see in the last frame, at the top of the ship, lightning makes it to the top and then reacts to something, then the explosion occurs.
Ok i give you that. Though to be fair the explosion came from the inside. It is still impressive if you consider how little time it took to do that.
I agree, it is quite impressive just not as impressive as Thor's lightning.
This isn't instantaneously, not even almost instantaneously. He's clearly been charging up beforehand, which is my argument here. All his powerful lightnings take time to charge and are easily telegraphed. Yes, i'm not saying his lightning isn't powerful. What i'm saying is they take time to charge up, and thus are easily telegraphed.
Thor merely made a gesture and then the lightning came down. Making a gesture and lightning coming down immediately is not charging up. It is not as if WW will be like "Oh look! That bearded man is making a small gesture. I better put my bracers above my head completely opening me to a frontal attack, just in case a lightning strike comes from the sky and hits my head".
Yes, but Ares' TK isn't just capable of throwing blades. He could restrain him the same way he did to WW.
He will have to catch him first and the scrap metal would have to get through Thor's lightning cloak.
What i'm saying is he can create objects by desintegrating others.
Okay, how will that help him in this battle?
It does have a massive tell, as i've said above. Secondly, Ares destroyed the watchtower with a slight move of his hand, here he gets to charge up for several seconds. There's no reason to believe it wouldn't be at least 10x more powerful than the one he used on the watchtower, seeing how it pushed back WW. Keep in mind WW stood still the full blast of Doomsday's heat vision, then stood still within DD's energy waves, the same waves that were capable of completely destroying a small town. Ares manages to push her back.
It isn't a massive tell, it is a small gesture. Saying that WW and Ares will automatically assume lightning will strike them from the sky simply because some bearded man makes a small gesture is pure speculation. There is no proof that DD's emissions and his HV are the same. Just like Thor's lightning cloak is not the same as his lighting strikes. Also, WW was blasted by DD's HV and his emissions.
He beast Ares 1v1. He can beat WW with difficulty. Not both simultaneously.
Thor doesn't have to, his first move will be a lightning strike or a hammer throw. WW can block the hammer strike but the lightning strikes will at the very least stun her. Ares will be one-shotted by either. Then it is Thor vs WW.
What i mean is, if the cloak was able to cause that much destruction, the outriders would've been vaporized or desintegrated for being that close. They weren't. They died, yes, but remain whole.
Outriders were incredibly durable to energy attacks. Remember, they were pushing through the wakandain energy shield which one-shotted their ships and one-shotted Cull. Outriders not being completely disintegrated would be a feat for them, especially since Hela's soldiers were completely disintegrated by Thor's lightning cloak.
If you look closely, the lightning comes out after the explosion. Lightning can't bust through metal. Metal is conductive, lightning travels through it, doesn't break it.
Actually, it came out before the explosion. Here is a slowed down version of the same GIF.
You can even see in the last frame, at the top of the ship, lightning makes it to the top and then reacts to something, then the explosion occurs.
I'm not saying that the explosion didn't occur but Thor's lighting cloak clearly tore through the inside of the ship to the outside hull and then continued to destroy more of the hull from the outside.
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