Thing vs Colossus

Iron Fist off-paneled Colossus in Contest of Champions II #3 (should be noted that the book had a lot of dumb outcomes, like Black Widow beating Wonder Man and soloing New Mutants, or Black Panther soloing New Warriors, or Storm beating Human Torch):

Luke Cage off-paneled Colossus in AXIS #9:

Ben fought Strong Guy in X-Factor #200 (in a short fight that had Strong Guy quickly beaten and needing to be saved by Shatterstar of all people) and in X-Factor #201, in even shorter "fight" that consisted of SG tackling Thing and then getting casually tossed aside like garbage.

@toratorn: Thanks for the info. But to be fair, Colossus has been consistently shown as far above Luke Cage. But I agree with your other points about the Thing being stronger than Colossus. It doesn't help the latter's case the fact that the Thing has fought other notorious bricks far more often. For instance, Colossus has never fought Namor or Wonder Man. Also, you mentioned a fight between Colossus and War Machine. Was it that fight were Colossus (after he had obtained the Juggernaut powers) was hurt a bit by a punch from War Machine, and then punched him back hard enough to send him flying? Also, what is your opinion about Gladiator easily stomping the Thing, but struggling with Colossus?

@darth_nimrod: yes, that one. Then again, I was misremembering how much trouble Colossus had. I thought he was knocked out for five pages or some shit.

My opinion on Gladiator stomping Thing is that Gladiator was portrayed as much more powerful opponent in FF than he was in X-Men. Tanking and containing a solar system busting explosion, flying at FTL speed and, as Ben himself said, hit harder than every other foe he fought (which at that point included people like Hulk, Thor, Hyperion, Black Bolt, Blastaar, Silver Surfer, Destroyer, Terrax and other powerhouses). While in X-Men he... struggled with Colossus and got knocked out by a falling roof for several minutes.

@toratorn: To be fair, we really don't know if Luke Cage beat him at all based on that scan and if he did he could very well have had help. There wasn't even a scan before their scuffle where it actually showed Cage engaging so he very well could have grabbed Piotr's unconscious body to make sure he was asleep and then brushed him aside.

This explains your other post.

Thing solos

I think Colossus because he is made of metal compared to stone and metal beats stone any day I say colossus.

Ben still low diffs. Colossus just isn't that good consistently.

They are about the same level of strength. But Ben has a lot of strength he hasn’t fully discovered yet, and the angrier and more stubborn he gets, the more strength he uses. He is also a way better fighter and is more determined.

@obsidianomega: the thing is stronger better fighter

Ben stomps.

Ben’s comfortable above Piotr at this point.

The Thing kicks his ass.

@comic_book_fan: agreed.

@god_spawn: @darth_nimrod: @comic_book_fan: agreed.

Grimm comfortably

Thing gets better with age. Colossus doesn't.

Is it true Thing gets stronger with age?

@uttarashada: Yes. The same applies to the rest of the Fantastic 4.

This shouldn't be 6 pages. Colossus is a pretty standard mid tier fighter while Ben's scrapped with people way above his pay grade. Make it 60's and 70's Thing when he wasn't as strong and you might have a fight.

Thing

Thing but not because he gets stronger with age

Thing still stomps.

That's obviously one of the reasons considering his strength feats from the 60's/70's are pretty pants compared to later on

Technically yes. I'm just saying if Thing and Colossus were hypothetically the same strength here, Thing wouldn't just evolve and get stronger mid-fight. Besides Thing has been stronger for years now.

I mean no one was saying dat anyway

Thing is op when serious and at his best will take the W

Many people are misrepresenting both sides of these 2.

The Thing has shown to be able to keep up in a fight with high-end fighters like Savage Hulk, on many occasions. Recently The Thing even KO'ed Immortal Hulk in a fair fight, though it was claimed as Things strongest punch, even removing the rock from his arm and Thing was out for a week from it, while Hulk did quick get out of his KO moments after.

The Thing has always been powerful, with him able to overpower a machine that had the power to push through the Earth. We even have seen a classic Thing able to beat The Hulk once. Recently The Thing has even shown to be able to take a beam from Galactus, with the beam that was supposed to be able to split the Earths core. The Thing has also managed to take on Immortal Hulk again, when Immortal Hulk had managed to fuse with Spider-Man (Spider-Hulk) though The Thing did have the rest of his team (FF) to help him.

The Thing is a powerhouse and people need to realize that hes more than just large building lvl.

Colossus is also overlooked and underrated, many even throw him into the same tier as Luke Cage.

Colossus has been forever known to be able to be too tough to get cut by a non-raged Wolverine. The same non-raged Wolverine that can cut people like Hulk and Gladiator. Colossus shows lots of scaling to characters like this too.

Colossus was able to KO Wendigo, Colossus could go toe-to-toe with Sasquatch (a being who gives Hulk a solid fight) Colossus was able to fight Gladiator, and while Colossus did lose, Professor X was surprised by the result. Colossus has been able to throw aside a classic She-Hulk who at the time was comparable if not higher than Classic Thing. Colossus is able to take a powered up hit from Cyclops and barely be fazed, the same Cyclops who is believed to have the blast power to destroy a small planet. Colossus has take several seconds of being blasted by Havok, the same Havok who once shot Savage Hulk out of the sky, with Hulk actually taking damage and thinking the hit messed up his rib, the same Havok who hurt has pushed beings like Apocolypes and Gladiator with his attacks, and even melted a massive wall of a metal he thought might have been adamantium (though we don't know for sure). Colossus was able to protect his team a blast from the Terminus for several second, though Terminus is inconsistent, making it hard to gauge this... Colossus was also claimed by WWH to have been a potential challenge for him back in the day.

The Thing and Colossus have both been able to tie in an arm wrestle twice.

In a matchup between the 2 it would seem that The Thing has the strike advantage and power to down Colossus, while Colossus has the durability edge and should have the strike power to down The Thing as well. If The Thing uses a punch like he did against Immortal Hulk it should be enough to down Colossus, though Colossus can down The Thing with pressure points, as we have seen him finish off Wendigo with it.

The Thing has the skill advantage, taking better use in being a brawler against brutes compared to Colossus. Colossus is more likely to wrestle and use his acrobatics for the edge. Due to being so even in strength, Colossus won't have much of a strength edge for grapples and holds.

Colossus has much greater Stamina, able to fight without food, water or air, and do so for over a week straight until fatigue. While the Thing can only keep his peak for 24 hours. Though this fight should be capable of finishing before either are close to slowing down.

The Thing and Colossus both have an insane motive so neither will give up in this fight.

Overall. The Thing should take the majority. He has the potential to win more concrete due to his strike power being capable of reaching heights to down Colossus. The Thing also has the combat edge.

Colossus, however, can take the majority if the area allows him a likely option to fight The Thing underwater. Colossus's acrobatics should allow him the mobility edge to manage The Thing into the water. Colossus is tactical enough to do so. Though this is not a typical or likely scenerio. Colossus could even use pressure points to KO Thing, as we have seen him defeat foes in that weight class with pressure point moves before. But Thing's full punch should be a more likely landing attack.

Both have a great shot at winning, and are incredibly lowballed to such a low standing its a joke.

Id say The Thing wins 5.5/10

Both fighters do have outliers, with something like Colossus being able to smash something that Classic DR. Strange could not.

Thing after a good fight

Thing still shitstomps

Thing still stomps.

Memes a side, ben is strong/durable AF he also has boxing & wrestling experience so he should win after a great slug fest

Saying colossus would win is the dumbest argument I've seen in a while. Both of these guys are in my top 10 favourite superheroes so there is no bias here. Ben wins in everything except height. The thing has a fighting skill of 5 meaning he is a master of his own fighting style and is older and more experienced while colossus has a 4 in fighting skill. In terms of strength the thing much more consistently and easily lifts 100 tons while also having lifted 10000 tons of bridge and a put a broken 30000 ton skyscraper back into place. Colossus once lifted a submarine which usually weigh 3000 tons but giving colossus the benefit of the doubt can weigh 7000 tons. Next is durability, both of their exteriors have been broken by the hulk's strength and wolverine's claws, although the thing has only been shown to be scratched or chipped while colossus has been completely pierced through the head and chest by wolverine in multiple different alternate universes. (I know it might not be the same as earth 616 but all these occasions have been in earths supposed to be identical to earth 616 until a certain event where the heroes die) Speaking of the hulk, the thing has beaten the hulk multiple times and caused a physical injury in the form of bleeding and bruising to the face and mouth of WWH hulk despite only getting two punches in, while colossus only got one hit before having his arms broken which caused so much damage that colossus took a complicated scientific process to heal while thing was just knocked out by hulk. When the champion of the universe came to Earth, he easily defeated or disqualified all of earth's other super strong heroes including colossus but the thing was able to cause the champion to give up just by the fact that no matter what the champion of the universe did, the thing would not give up so the champion was forced to leave. This shows that even if colossus had a tougher skin than thing, the thing doesn't go down no matter what, which leads to the most important factor in this fight. Willpower. Ben Grimm has the second highest amount of willpower in the marvel universe after Bruce Banner and by far the largest amount of heart and refusal to give up. Oh btw these are not opinions I'm just throwing around as evidence these are things that have happened and been in established in the comics, just thinking or saying that in your opinion colossus is stronger is not helpful and as I established earlier by showing that the thing is over 4 times stronger, a load of bollocks

Which is stronger steel or rock steel colossus can fight juggernaut and thing would put a fight but will lose quickly

Benji one-shots

colossus fought a weak juggernaut the thing has taken on full power marko and held his own and he has beaten colossus dirrectly twice in the ultimate universe is a bit more debatible

Comparing their fights with Marko is kinda weird considering at one point Colossus and Thing would get 1/3 punched out and nowadays Colossus/Thing are able to last longer against far stronger bricks (even against an amp'd Marko), If you want to go further you can judge their fights vs Hulk and Thor; it get's more one sided to Thing looking better but not by much but still i'm torn 50/50 on who would actually win.

I'd like to think Thing as a whole was more convincing and impressive than Colossus recently.

Although I admit, Thing's fanbase is incredibly toxic.

Colossus wins, unless Thing uses wedding ring.

@hellionvulcan: Thing is a lot stronger than Colossus, this isn't debatable.

Thing.

I never argued that in the slightest though as i was debating their fights vs Juggs Thor and Hulk respectively, Colossus current real main strength feat is the train one as it's at least 200/400 tons in weight so Colossus does stand a chance to knock the Thing out and vice versa.

He really doesn't. Juggernaut was amped during his fight with Ben and while I do think Juggernaut wins, he would put up a far better fight than people like Colossus (who Ben actually one shotted recently) 200/400 tons of weight isn't much. Ben has casually overpowered machines that could level a small mountain and overpowered a machine that could push through the planet. Way back in the day too.

Colossus fought an amp'd Juggernaut himself and still bfr Marko while taking some huge hits as neither of them are light weights durability wise, Still the point stands that both can win this fight since it's not like being stronger than someone means you can win the fight instantly as it's more technique that wins over strength.

@hellionvulcan: The fact that Ben is stronger than Colossus alone means he can win this fight, he's massively stronger than Pietro. If the stat difference wasn't so great, you would be correct. Ben in himself has a lot of experience with Judo, Boxing, wrestling etc so he's skilled in his own right. It won't matter though since the stat difference is so big that it's a stomp in Ben's favour regardless of skill or technique.

Also, when did Colossus fight an amped Juggernaut and issue number please?

Mike Tyson knows he can't beat Ali even though Mike is way stronger as Ben being stronger doesn't mean he'd win anything unless they were in a strongman contest, Skill wise i'd sway towards Colossus but like you stated Ben isn't an amateur either.

Colossus fought an amp'd Juggernaut in the The Once and Future Juggernaut Amazing X-men vol 2 16/19 for the entire arc.

@hellionvulcan: Mike Tyson knows he can't beat Ali even though Mike is way stronger as Ben being stronger doesn't mean he'd win anything unless they were in a strongman contest, Skill wise i'd sway towards Colossus but like you stated Ben isn't an amateur either.

The stat difference between Colossus and Thing is way bigger than the stat difference between Ali and Tyson, both were heavyweights. Colossus is a mid tier at best, while Ben is a solid high tier. Being more skilled doesn't mean anything when you can't significantly hurt your opponent and would get one shotted.

Colossus fought an amp'd Juggernaut in the The Once and Future Juggernaut Amazing X-men vol 2 16/19 for the entire arc.

Did you read the comic you posted? He fought juggernaut for one issue...and got stomped. Only winning because he smashed the cliff which caused Juggernaut to be BFR'd.

(Amazing X-men #19)

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Colossus has his hits no sold and even states that he broke his hands hitting Juggernaut. Juggernaut hits him once and Colossus says that his ribs are broken and he's close to passing out, the only way it even lasts a few pages is because Colossus is more agile and manages to dodge Marko punches.

Not to mention Colossus struggled against regular Cain Marko and even had blood knocked out of his mouth from a few punches in that same arc:

(Amazing X-men #17)

@noobmaster2001: The stat difference between Colossus and Thing is way bigger than the stat difference between Ali and Tyson, both were heavyweights. Colossus is a mid tier at best, while Ben is a solid high tier. Being more skilled doesn't mean anything when you can't significantly hurt your opponent and would get one shotted.

Ben won't one-shot Colossus unless we go by Thing's best sunday punch feat and that's it.

Did you read the comic you posted? He fought juggernaut for one issue...and got stomped. Only winning because he smashed the cliff which caused Juggernaut to be BFR'd.

Now you'll go back and reread what i stated and how you just repeated it, still Colossus fought a massively more amp'd Marko than Thing did and while Thing got two/three shot ko'd, Marko couldn't Ko Colossus with much harder strikes that sent Colossus flying ages away etc.

Colossus has his hits no sold and even states that he broke his hands hitting Juggernaut. Juggernaut hits him once and Colossus says that his ribs are broken and he's close to passing out, the only way it even lasts a few pages is because Colossus is more agile and manages to dodge Marko punches.

It's almost as if Colossus changing his tactics during battle avoided him being killed and he won by bfr, Technique and brains beat godly strength, you furthered my point nicely.

Not to mention Colossus struggled against regular Cain Marko and even had blood knocked out of his mouth from a few punches in that same arc:

even without Cyttorak's full blessing Marko's strength is still pretty high tier as when he was depowered before he was still stronger than Rhino and was around Colossus own level iirc.