i wanna say the yonkos cause kaido cant die(Unless im thinking of someone else). shanks due to haki, whitebeard due to earthquakes, blackbeard due to being able to shut down powers and big mom cause of her soul eating. (shes basically that one version of pain).
Alive Madara is outmatched here, but could still win due to hax.
madara has no hax.
Yonkos utterly destroy him, madara stands no chance without Juubi, all the yonkos completely crap on him in the stat category, madara could easily get insta killed if he does not use perfect susanoo right of the bat against any of the yonkos
Alive Madara is outmatched here, but could still win due to hax.
madara has no hax.
Yonkos utterly destroy him, madara stands no chance without Juubi, all the yonkos completely crap on him in the stat category, madara could easily get insta killed if he does not use perfect susanoo right of the bat against any of the yonkos
Genjutsu GG.
They don't really crap on him. Even without Susanoo he was able to smack around Tailed Beasts. He also has Sage Mode which amplifies his already insane power.
Why wouldn't he use his Susanoo? It's part of the fight and it's strong enough to stand up to the Yonko's
Whitebeard and Big Mom are the only Yonko with any amount of feats and they get fodderized by Rinnegan Madara
Well, he isn't outmatched by muuuch.
I don't see how Whitebeard is fodderized by Madara. What level do you have each on?
I have pre-Juubi Madara at Multi-Island-Country level, but I have Yonko on Country-Continent level.
There are also four of them.
I think Madara would beat anyone below Yonko tier easily though, heck I think he pretty easily wins this too, I just dont think he could straight up smack all 4 down.
@easternwind: What have any of the Yonko done to be Continent level lol, and if you're going to use Whitebeard to generalize don't. His ability was specifically made to cause mass damage, and from what we saw from it it wasn't even continental.
@easternwind: What have any of the Yonko done to be Continent level lol, and if you're going to use Whitebeard to generalize don't. His ability was specifically made to cause mass damage, and from what we saw from it it wasn't even continental.
I am using whitebeard to generalize it. It doesn't matter what his ability was, since they would need to be able to fight him.
Kaido, Shanks, and Blackbeard can obviously match him in attack potency, and the Admirals were able to deal with a quake.
It was said to be able to destroy the world, which would require continental force at least, be it lifewiping or destroying the planet and some of his quakes are actually calced at continent level, having their power stretch for an extreme distance.
I guess I could be highballing them a bit. If you don't want to use those feats then I guess Madara casually solos without even needing Susanoo lol.
@easternwind: No one in the OP verse has shown even remotely close to the DC Whitebeard did, that doesn't mean people have to have equal DC to beat or rival him, case in point Akainu.
Also Sengoku's statement about him having the power to destroy the world is an obvious hyperbole.
@easternwind: No one in the OP verse has shown even remotely close to the DC Whitebeard did, that doesn't mean people have to have equal DC to beat or rival him, case en point Akainu.
Also Sengoku's statement about him having the power to destroy the world is an obvious hyperbole.
DC =/= Attack Potency.
Why is this so hard to understand for people on here.
Yes, people DONT have to have equal DC to beat him, but they still get that level of power.
Think of teambusters. Like someone comes in and solos the justice league. They are obviously going to get Planet-Star level scaling for their attacks, even if the most they have ever done is destroy a building.
Being able to fight on par with Whitebeard shows you have his level of power.
Your argument is like saying that Goku is Island level, because that is the most he ever busted, even though we know he has been Multi-Planet- Small Star level since like freaking Namek.
It didn't really seem like Hyperbole to me, and Whitebeard has shown quakes with power that could end up destroying the world over time.
@easternwind: No one in the OP verse has shown even remotely close to the DC Whitebeard did, that doesn't mean people have to have equal DC to beat or rival him, case en point Akainu.
Also Sengoku's statement about him having the power to destroy the world is an obvious hyperbole.
DC =/= Attack Potency.
Why is this so hard to understand for people on here.
Yes, people DONT have to have equal DC to beat him, but they still get that level of power.
Think of teambusters. Like someone comes in and solos the justice league. They are obviously going to get Planet-Star level scaling for their attacks, even if the most they have ever done is destroy a building.
Being able to fight on par with whitebeard shows you have his level of power.
Your argument is like saying that Goku is Island level, because that is the most he ever busted, even though we know he has been Multi-Planet- Small Star level since like freaking Namek.
It didn't really seem like Hyperbole to me, and Whitebeard has shown quakes with power that could end up destroying the world over time.
Like I said, Whitebeards specific ability was the reason his DC was so high, what don't you understand? Your Goku comparison is terrible since we've seen a multitude of characters destroy planets, moon etc, whereas the Gura Gura no mi users are the only people in the OP verse with that level of DC.
When has he ever shown quakes that could end up destroying the world over time lol?
You realize there's a difference between Surface Wiping and Planet Busting? Sengoku was talking about destroying the planet with a Quake.
Case In Point* means like for example, so when I said
"No one in the OP verse has shown even remotely close to the DC Whitebeard did, that doesn't mean people have to have equal DC to beat or rival him, case en point Akainu."
Yonko stomps. OP's physical levels are way above of Naruto's physical levels.
I mean, Might Guy was able to use geppou only after unlocking the eight gate...
This might be the silliest thing I have seen in a while.
It's like saying that because character A punched someone to another country, Character B can't be as strong unless they do the SAME EXACT THING.
Or that someone who makes after images with speed is faster than a light speed character because the light-speed character doesn't make after images.
Might Gai was able to crack the TSB. The same things which were able to withstand the force of Naruto in full Kurama Sage Mode + Sasuke in full Susanoo + Senjutsu at the same time, and also withstood a force equivalent to multiple countries exploding.
Might Gai is physically on par with OP characters.
Naruto physicals are not "Way below" OP. They are quite strong.
The 3rd Raikage was able to go toe to toe with a character that could output Island destroying attacks.
Tsunade was able to damage the Susanoo with a punch.
Naruto could harm both Madara and Kaguya with his physical attacks.
On TOP of that, physicals are just part of a fight. A fight involves:
Strategy
Speed
Power
Physicals
Hax
and much more.
Madara has hax abilities that the Yonko cannot hope to overcome. He is able to basically kill any of them with a mere glance.
On top of that he has control over gravity, can absorb any energy based attack, can suck out souls, repair any physical damage, etc.
He can also make Wood Clones, which are extremely strong and can each use Susanoo.
Without his Susanoo he can still kick around and abuse the Bjuu, his basic Jutsu are already insanely powerful as well.
With his Susanoo, he becomes the size of a mountain, and the air pressure from his blades alone cause Island level feats.
His Susanoo is able to match up to the Kyuubi. It has the power to Vaporize Islands and his Meteors would do the same.
Speed wise, he is already faster than most characters in Naruto who are insanely MHS+. With Sage Mode he is even faster, able to react to any sort of attack.
Madara has a lot going for him in this fight and his physicals don't matter at all.
Though I will give you that Madara's physical and striking strength is below that of the Yonko.
@easternwind: No one in the OP verse has shown even remotely close to the DC Whitebeard did, that doesn't mean people have to have equal DC to beat or rival him, case en point Akainu.
Also Sengoku's statement about him having the power to destroy the world is an obvious hyperbole.
DC =/= Attack Potency.
Why is this so hard to understand for people on here.
Yes, people DONT have to have equal DC to beat him, but they still get that level of power.
Think of teambusters. Like someone comes in and solos the justice league. They are obviously going to get Planet-Star level scaling for their attacks, even if the most they have ever done is destroy a building.
Being able to fight on par with whitebeard shows you have his level of power.
Your argument is like saying that Goku is Island level, because that is the most he ever busted, even though we know he has been Multi-Planet- Small Star level since like freaking Namek.
It didn't really seem like Hyperbole to me, and Whitebeard has shown quakes with power that could end up destroying the world over time.
Like I said, Whitebeards specific ability was the reason his DC was so high, what don't you understand? Your Goku comparison is terrible since we've seen a multitude of characters destroy planets, moon etc, whereas the Gura Gura no mi users are the only people in the OP verse with that level of DC.
Why does it matter if it's his ability? Like, I really don't understand what you are trying to say.
If you think Goku is a bad example, then don't use him.
Firstly, One Piece does have other characters that show insane DC and Striking. Garp was able to shatter mountains. Chinjao was able to split a continent. Various characters have shown Island+ level attacks.
Now, yes, Whitebeard's DC mostly comes from his ability, the Gura Gura no Mi. However, would you not say that to fight Whitebeard, and to be considered his equal, you would need to be able to fight him? That you would need to deal with his Quakes?
The Gura Gura no Mi isn't some Hax attack which cannot be scaled. It is power. He blasts people. He puts his quakes in his stuff and rams it up people's faces.
I don't think that Shanks could swipe his hand and destroy a continent, I think that Shanks could meet whitebeard in a clash of power. I think that Shanks could hurt someone with Continental durability. The same is true for Kaido who could even be stronger than Whitebeard. Big Mom is the most debatable I guess. Blackbeard litterally has his fruit.
This is backed up by the Admirals being able to counter his quakes.
Like, it's just attack potency man, Don't you think Rodger could hurt people as badly as a quake from Whitebeard?
When has he ever shown quakes that could end up destroying the world over time lol?
Well, continental level attacks would destroy the world over time.
You realize there's a difference between Surface Wiping and Planet Busting? Sengoku was talking about destroying the planet with a Quake.
I'm just saying that Sengoku's words back up Whitebeard being continental.
Case In Point* means like for example, so when I said
"No one in the OP verse has shown even remotely close to the DC Whitebeard did, that doesn't mean people have to have equal DC to beat or rival him, case en point Akainu."
at the end I was saying, for example Akainu.
Well, that was more than just Akainu. Akainu is weaker than Whitebeard, and would lose 1v1. The other Yonko should be able to fight on par with him.
Not at all, the yonkou are perfectly capable of killing Madara. They have the intelligence, decades of experience, Hax, at least the two basic types of Haki at an expert level, gg.
Lol, any high tier from Naruto can curb-stomp all of OP, not just the Yonkos. Madara operates on an entirely different level than these. He casually erases the map just by swinging his blade:
He slices the asteroid and the produced shockwave slashes through +1000km of landscape and cuts two mountains in the process.
Lol, any high tier from Naruto can curb-stomp all of OP, not just the Yonkos. Madara operates on an entirely different level than these. He casually erases the map just by swinging his blade:
He slices the asteroid and the produced shockwave slashes through +1000km of landscape and cuts two mountains in the process.
Lol, any high tier from Naruto can curb-stomp all of OP, not just the Yonkos. Madara operates on an entirely different level than these. He casually erases the map just by swinging his blade:
He slices the asteroid and the produced shockwave slashes through +1000km of landscape and cuts two mountains in the process.
Cutting two Mountains aren´t special at all, Whitebeard easily casually destroy larger Ice mountains by just using his quake:
Also two Admirals split entire island in half, make big lake into the mid of the area, change the climate and creating Ice Mountains+Vulcanos..
Madara Pre Juubi power is most like island lvl which is equal to one Yonkou, he get overwhelmed by 4 Yonkous for sure.
Probably after Wano we get more and better feats for Yonkous, so we still need to wait, but also in the new Chapter Yasu state that Kaido(monster) bring the whole Wano Country into flammes. The chance for Country lvl feats for Wano is high.
@tyki_mikk25: ''Cutting two Mountains aren´t special at all, Whitebeard easily casually destroy larger Ice mountains by just using his quake:''
Rock > ice in durability by huge magnitudes. And he didn't ''destroy'' them. His vibrations broke down the ice's molecule build up. His vibrations naturally counter ice. The only mountain feat Whitebeard has is cutting Marineford (small island) in half using his absolute strongest quake to do that, and that's just the lowest point for what Madara casually does to mountain range with his PS.
''Also two Admirals split entire island in half, make big lake into the mid of the area, change the climate and creating Ice Mountains+Vulcanos..''
Uh, no. All they did was turn it to their respective elements. We're talking about a power capable of erasing mountains from the map, not changing the climate. It's pretty clear you've got misunderstanding of what busting means. No one in OP is a true mountain buster, with exception of Whitebeard who has to use his full power to do that, whereas Madara erases mountain ranges effortlessly.
''Madara Pre Juubi power is most like island lvl which is equal to one Yonkou, he get overwhelmed by 4 Yonkous for sure.''
EMS Madara let alone his upper versions shitstomps OP. There are power levels for this.
there are literally many feats in One piece more impressive than cutting 2 mountain tops
Madara without susanoo is fodder to even the likes of Rob Lucci, even if you assume PS can tag with Yonko once they get madara out of there or break into it madara is pretty much dead.
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