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#1 Edited by Gilateen (4399 posts) - - Show Bio

•Yonko’s: Big Mom, Kaido, Blackbeard, Whitebeard, And Shanks.

•In character

•Starting distance: 50ft

•Aizen starts off in his Chrysalis hogyoku Form.

•Battle takes Place At Fake Karakura Town.

•Win By Any means

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#2 Posted by Jon_Don (237 posts) - - Show Bio

KS GG.

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#3 Posted by LimitlessSigil (4616 posts) - - Show Bio
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#4 Posted by FaradaySloth (10761 posts) - - Show Bio

KS GG inb4 “but muh haki”

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#5 Posted by EcoBlitz (5292 posts) - - Show Bio

Haki quite literally makes KS useless. What is wrong with people?

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#6 Posted by ovy7 (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

🔥🔥🔥

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#7 Edited by SkySanji (5396 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Observation Haki makes KS useless but for the sake of flame wars and arguing just restrict Ks.

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#8 Edited by ourmanuel (12318 posts) - - Show Bio

If Haki fails, Yonkos kill each other.

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#9 Posted by Yray (627 posts) - - Show Bio

CoO counters Ks and the yonkos are near featless ..but by Eos or even after wano this would be spite

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#10 Posted by FlashingSabre (3867 posts) - - Show Bio

CoO counters KS, and Whitebeard and Kaidou are both strong enough to one-shot.

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#11 Edited by Jko1 (3230 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of the yonkos are still nigh featless, and the feats that they have don’t exactly outclass Aizen so Aizen still wins.

Whitbeard isn’t really a factor since he can’t quake Aizen since he can fly.

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#12 Edited by AlexTheBoss (18661 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm certain all the admirals together have the power to kick first hogyoku Aizen's butt, but I don't know if they have a way to put him down, meaning he will eventually evolve into monster Aizen where he can spam them with fragors.

So if they can bypass his immortality they win, if not he grows in power until he beats them.

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#13 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18661 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashingsabre: @yray: @skysanji: @ecoblitz:

Has CoO on panel worked against illusions? I don't remember it doing that, but Aizen has to show his release to work anyways, so he might not even get the chance to use it if the admirals keep on him.

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#14 Edited by deactivated-5c830d4e319e6 (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how Haki counters Kyoka Suigetsu. Someone please explain this to me ..

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#15 Posted by FlashingSabre (3867 posts) - - Show Bio

@originalcaptain: @alextheboss: Forgot KS could bypass The Almighty. CoO shouldn't be able to counter it.

Emperors still stomp unless Aizen can seal them. They have crazy AoE and are too durable for Aizen to do much damage.

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#16 Edited by deactivated-5c830d4e319e6 (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashingsabre said:

@originalcaptain: @alextheboss: Forgot KS could bypass The Almighty. CoO shouldn't be able to counter it.

Emperors still stomp unless Aizen can seal them. They have crazy AoE and are too durable for Aizen to do much damage.

How do the Emperors stomp, when Kyoka Suigetsu "one-shots" ?

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#17 Edited by SkySanji (5396 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss said:

@flashingsabre: @yray: @skysanji: @ecoblitz:

Has CoO on panel worked against illusions? I don't remember it doing that, but Aizen has to show his release to work anyways, so he might not even get the chance to use it if the admirals keep on him.

The point I'm trying to make is they will see everything happening ahead of time before it happens and just close their eyes and fight like that since Observation Haki let's you sense the pressence of others Rayleigh knew what the Elephant would to before it did it with his backed turned, and could count how many animals were on Ruiscana that Luffy had to face

Since Aizen is more than likely to use KS at the start it makes it easier now if he doesn't then we would need someone like Katakuri to completely look ahead into the future to see what Aizen is planning

Fujitora saw Doflamingo's string coming all the way from the palace and snagged it

Enel and Boa's sister closed their eyes and told Luffy what he would do next

So they counter KS by not seeing the release in the first place and just fight with their eyes closed.

Also Aizen never used Ks in this form.

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#18 Posted by deactivated-5c830d4e319e6 (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen:

With 1st form you mean this one right ?

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#19 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18661 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: And Yhwach could see far into the future but still fell for it. Just because they can see the future doesn't mean they can counter it. For all we know the future they see could be the illusion itself. Until they actually CoO countering high level illusions, saying it can is a bit iffy. I'm sure it would be better than nothing, but that doesn't mean KS wouldn't hinder them at all.

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#20 Edited by SkySanji (5396 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashingsabre: KS only bypassed the Almighty because Aizen already had Yhwach under KS since chapter 510 and we know that Ks effects remain indefinitely that's why he was able to use it on Ywach during the final battle

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#21 Posted by SkySanji (5396 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by Gilateen (4399 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Posted by vegetasan (485 posts) - - Show Bio

Aizen.

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#24 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18661 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Ya Yhwach already saw his "release" but that would mean they would need to use their CoO to avoid seeing the initial release, but if they don't feel a threat from him just showing their sword, their CoO might not even activate as there wouldn't be any immediate danger.

Like I said, CoO could help, but there is both that implies it gives complete resistance to illusions.

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#25 Edited by deactivated-5c830d4e319e6 (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss:

CoO haki is useless against Kyoka Suigetsu.

Even if they would "visually" see the future, there is not anything they could do about it. KS is not a attack you can counter with CoO. In order to avoid it they need pre knowledge. All CoO would do is either show them the "future" of Aizen holding his sword upside down before the affect, which is not really helpful or the future of them being already trapped in absolute hypnosis post effect. Either way they won't know what is about to happen or what is going on in that current moment ..

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#26 Posted by SkySanji (5396 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Ya Yhwach already saw his "release" but that would mean they would need to use their CoO to avoid seeing the initial release, but if they don't feel a threat from him just showing their sword, their CoO might not even activate as there wouldn't be any immediate danger.

Like I said, CoO could help, but there is both that implies it gives complete resistance to illusions.

Okay this is fair

But I'm saying they will avoid seeing it since they aren't dumb and will most likely use CoO to see ahead against an opponent they have no knowledge on.

I'm saying they can fight with their eyes close as soon as they realize the threat at hand so they won't see the release.

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#27 Posted by KingogKings777 (2346 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:
@alextheboss said:

@flashingsabre: @yray: @skysanji: @ecoblitz:

Has CoO on panel worked against illusions? I don't remember it doing that, but Aizen has to show his release to work anyways, so he might not even get the chance to use it if the admirals keep on him.

The point I'm trying to make is they will see everything happening ahead of time before it happens and just close their eyes and fight like that since Observation Haki let's you sense the pressence of others Rayleigh knew what the Elephant would to before it did it with his backed turned, and could count how many animals were on Ruiscana that Luffy had to face

Since Aizen is more than likely to use KS at the start it makes it easier now if he doesn't then we would need someone like Katakuri to completely look ahead into the future to see what Aizen is planning

Fujitora saw Doflamingo's string coming all the way from the palace and snagged it

Enel and Boa's sister closed their eyes and told Luffy what he would do next

So they counter KS by not seeing the release in the first place and just fight with their eyes closed.

Also Aizen never used Ks in this form.

is it passive or has to be activated? the haki thing

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#28 Posted by ovy7 (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss:

CoO haki is useless against Kyoka Suigetsu.

Even if they would "visually" see the future, there is not anything they could do about it. KS is not a attack you can counter with CoO. In order to avoid it they need pre knowledge. All CoO would do is either show them the "future" of Aizen holding his sword upside down before the affect, which is not really helpful or the future of them being already trapped in absolute hypnosis post effect. Either way they won't know what is about to happen or what is going on in that current moment ..

THIS^^^^

Seeing the future won't matter at all as they won't suddenly gain the knowledge about how KS works because they would just see Aizen releasing his sword. There's nothing in that release that would tell them anything about KS.

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#29 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1704 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: they would need knowledge on KS to start the fight with their eyes closed. Without knowledge there would be no need to close their eyes since they are capable of using their haki with their eyes open

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#30 Posted by FaradaySloth (10761 posts) - - Show Bio

Jesus Christ, Kenbunshoku Haki has officially passed reiatsu crush or genjutsu for most wanked energy on the battles forums. Change. My. Mind.

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#31 Posted by Raziel2014 (1352 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecoblitz said:

Haki quite literally makes KS useless. What is wrong with people?

no it doesn't, shinigami have sensing abilities similar to haki and it worked on someone capable of seeing infinite futures, Almighty >>>>>>>>> any haki

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#33 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (5037 posts) - - Show Bio

I don’t even know where to start. Observation Haki working on KS lmao.

Aizen wins with or without KS, in base he’s casually stronger than all the Espada combined which above what the Yonko have shown so far.

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#34 Posted by ourmanuel (12318 posts) - - Show Bio

If only the shinigamis had a similar ability to Haki...

oh wait...

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#35 Edited by WhatamIseeing (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

KS will not stop Haki users from fighting. KS effects the 5 senses, haki is not one of the 5 senses its a 6th sense, haki users have fought with their eyes closed or dodged without looking. But having the 5 senses under aizens control will be extremely distracting and mess up their ability to fight

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#36 Posted by ourmanuel (12318 posts) - - Show Bio

KS will not stop Haki users from fighting. KS effects the 5 senses

It affects time too

, haki is not one of the 5 senses its a 6th sense

Bleach chars also have a 6th sense, reikaku. It’s how they are able to pinpoint each other’s locations. Tosen’s was so advanced that he could still see while being blind, and ichigo had his eyes sliced through and he could still see.

Even the espadas have a more advanced one in the form of pesquica yet Aizen still trolled harribel.

, haki users have fought with their eyes closed or dodged without looking. But having the 5 senses under aizens control will be extremely distracting and mess up their ability to fight

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#37 Posted by ElderElijah190 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio

Majority of the yonkos are featless. This thread makes no sense.

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#38 Posted by TheIrishDoctor (686 posts) - - Show Bio

This is more complex than people want to admit.

First off, let's throw out Aizen being able to manipulate and confuse the Almighty. That feat was from Aizen post-chair where he clearly was MUCH more powerful than when he fought Ichigo. He influenced Ywach without even needing to release his sword, physically he kept up with Ywach and Ichigo after their massive power increases (something even final form Aizen pre-chair could never do). Those feats don't apply to the Aizen we're seeing here.

Physically and as far as damage output goes, any of the Yonko could crush this version of Aizen. Shanks is a non-factor here since he has no feats (despite being implied to be the strongest Emperor), however even Blackbeard (who also has no feats as a Yonko) was shown powerful enough to provide one half of an attack that nearly covered an entire island. While Aizen would still have likely beaten him then (as he could still have speed-blitzed him at that point) that is more raw power than we saw Aizen pull out in the form used in this battle, and Blackbeard was at best Yonko commander level at that point and had just gotten his Yami Yami no Mi.

Big Mom and Whitebeard have no speed feats that could imply they could keep up with Aizen (unless you really stretch Big Mom blocking that one punch from Luffy), but scale to people who do, and definitely have the destructive power to take him out. And then we have Kaido.

Kaido has never taken any damage from anything in the series thus far, including from characters who are island busters (admittedly not using his strongest island busting attack, but still one of his higher level attacks) and he then proceeded to speed-blitz and one-shot this same island busters (who also has speed feats which put him above Aizen at this point). All of this puts Kaido physically massively above Aizen in strength, speed, and especially durability.

Going only off of this, Kaido solos easily.

Buuuuuut, then we have the complications. Two of them to be precise. First is KS, sure. How effectively could any if the Yonko fight with this in play is impossible to say. If Kaido took Aizen as a serious threat, he may attempt to just speed-blitz him before Aizen even released KS and avoid it altogether. But if not, and the Yonko are put under the effect, then they would have to rely on CoO, and there is really no way of knowing how those two powers would play off each other. It's entirely possible that since CoO gives the user a new sense that doesn't really exist in the Bleach-verse, that their Observation would still work. And even if KS did work on it, Aizen wouldn't know about it's existence and so it is possible that he wouldn't know to manipulate it. It could easily be argued that either CoO or KS could be hard counters to each other.

But here's the other problem, and I think it's significantly greater...

Aizen doesn't seem to be able to die. Even when Ichigo did his final crazy shade attack and seemed to crush him, Aizen was just going to get back up and recover to full strength in moments. And he keeps evolving and keeps getting stronger throughout. No matter how much more powerful the Yonko are, if they can't actually put Aizen down, well then eventually he'll surpass them.

So, the battle really comes down to 3 or 4 factors.

1) How would KS and CoO work against each other? Impossible to say since they are both so different than anything the other has encountered, and Aizen was much stronger when he met Ywach.

2) Could the Yonko actually put Aizen down. As far as I can tell, there may be three ways to do this. Either destroy the Hogyoku, which we don't know if they can (CoA may or may not work), destroy Aizen's body to the point where there is nothing left for the Hogyoku to bring back (and even that might not work, considering how hax the Hogyoku is), or hope they can eventually over-tax the Hogyoku's capacity to restore Aizen (which may be possible considering that it has shown to be over-taxed before).

3) The exact function and limits of Kaido's indestructibility. As of right now, we know he took no damage from repeated and rapid hits from an island-buster, which means nothing Aizen has shown, even in his final form pre-chair or post chair, would be likely to do much to him. However if they can't put Aizen down, then he will continue to evolve and there is no way of knowing how long that will last.

4) Shanks and possibly Blackbeard. While I doubt Blackbeard at this point could do much, Shanks is implied to be the strongest Yonko. Unfortunately, neither have actual feats so at this point that's pretty much just speculation.

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#39 Posted by EcoBlitz (5292 posts) - - Show Bio

KS manipulates the 5 senses, CoO isn’t a sense.

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#40 Posted by KingGuinness (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

Spite. Kaido blitzes and one shots.

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#42 Posted by TheVivas (19592 posts) - - Show Bio

InB4 “KS GG”...oh wait.

InB4 people complain about Haki...oh wait.

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#43 Posted by LimitlessSigil (4616 posts) - - Show Bio

Rofl at people saying CoO makes you immune to illusions, never once in the entire series has that happened.

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#44 Posted by LimitlessSigil (4616 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingguinness: Still waiting on you to make that CaV Sabo vs Shikai Yama.

@grappolo He's a bleach hater, apparently Sabo beats Shikai Yama.

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#45 Posted by grappolo (3064 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: I can't say much about that, i have no idea What current sabo can do, but oneshotting someone that is immortal, is problematic.

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#46 Posted by ChromeDisaster (567 posts) - - Show Bio

Aizen Hado #90 GG

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#47 Posted by ourmanuel (12318 posts) - - Show Bio

I just knew certain users would come here just to whine an bitch

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#48 Posted by FaradaySloth (10761 posts) - - Show Bio

I just knew certain users would come here just to whine an bitch

For real, it's almost like Bleach characters don't have a sixth sense or can too see in the future oh wait...

Well I'm sure KS didn't mean anything to those guys oh wait...

And people have the audacity to complain about Bleach wank...

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#50 Posted by LimitlessSigil (4616 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: Not only that, but Whitebeard and Shanks are the only confirmed CoO users in the Yonko, so even if KS didn't work on those 2 then it would still work on the other 3.