Which version of the Presence or TOAA are we using? If we are using Breevort TOAA or Pre-Retcon TOAA and Matteis Presence or Vertigo Presence, they are well, Omnipotent beings and would stalemate the White Light who has Infinite power over the laws of existence in his cosmology with no rivals.
All three stalemate each other.
The White Light as not_exactly informed me, suffers mathematical illogic, but I would put that aside, (I call this "cleaving").
But you must be trying to be starting something here are you OP?
Also, why did MyMom deactivate his account? Is he afraid of me?
@thopples: I'm just trying to enrich my self because in comic vine you are the only people I know that can debate properly
So just debate here
If you want to enrich yourself, you can do that by simply joining my Discord server where I have daily philosophical debates with @yasindermann and R S from SB and occasionally some of the other guys join in. My multiverse debating skills and knowledge in technical metaphysics improve weekly if not daily.
But arguing about Omnipotent vs Omnipotent vs Omnipotent is boring.
@thopples: I'm just trying to enrich my self because in comic vine you are the only people I know that can debate properly
So just debate here
If you want to enrich yourself, you can do that by simply joining my Discord server where I have daily philosophical debates with @yasindermann and R S from SB and occasionally some of the other guys join in. My multiverse debating skills and knowledge in technical metaphysics improve weekly if not daily.
But arguing about Omnipotent vs Omnipotent vs Omnipotent is boring.
@thopples: I'm just trying to enrich my self because in comic vine you are the only people I know that can debate properly
So just debate here
If you want to enrich yourself, you can do that by simply joining my Discord server where I have daily philosophical debates with @yasindermann and R S from SB and occasionally some of the other guys join in. My multiverse debating skills and knowledge in technical metaphysics improve weekly if not daily.
But arguing about Omnipotent vs Omnipotent vs Omnipotent is boring.
bro you're such a dork LMAO get a grip man
my opinion = fax
ur opinion = creditless
Imagine 24/7 people shit on me, not realizing I went through all sorts of bullshit, nearly went homeless multiple times and went through many emotional breakdowns. You all judge me and you don't know me.
I get hated because I defied bigger infinities being a thing. Now that I'm right, somehow it's my fault that I was right. As if the mathematical logic was manipulated by me and I took away people's precious bigger infinities. "Oh, Sungsam/Etriel took away what he needed from Not_exactly HOW DARE HE DO THAT???? HOW DARE HE NOT HAVE THE SAME EXACT OPINIONS AS NOT_EXACTLY????? HE'S LIKE A MONITOR WANKER" lol???????? Salt and Cope.
What do you want me to give Not_exactly? Ten million dollars? Get the fuck outta here.
Then you people wonder "Why is Sungsam such a dork?" because they all, who have a thorn stuck up their ass over me, outrageously are. Even a guy I let in my server, who I was chill with, and open to him in kindness, was shit talking me behind my back and continued to do so.
So I'm now fierce and I have bigger balls than past versions of myself. Kindness doesn't work with these people.
Because if my opinions get memed, so can yours.
And I'll call you all out kek, one by one. Assuming you are one of THOSE people.
bro what the fuck are you talking about i'm legit lost LMAO
the number of attributes he has that are qualitatively infinite is finite. That's probably why he gets more powerful when he multiplies himself, he gets a non-infinite amount of attributes that are infinite in quality.
proof of this?
An Omnipotent like the Presence is infinite in all ways contingent and countably describable as he is perfect, and he can share his perfection with his sons like Lucifer and Michael or his daughters like Death of the Endless or Pralaya
scans?
we can STAY within the realm of Classical Logic that most fictions use without the nonsense of Uncountable Infinities
proof of this as well?
the set of all powers and abilities that one can describe in Classical Logic is finite
proof?
all the Uncountable Infinities are only bigger than Aleph-0 in the sense that their physical units are more subdivided
scans?
so Set Theory sees those Sets as "bigger" as Set Theory is concerned with the Cardinality of the Elements of a Set, but they are not greater in weight, magnitude, mass or length, and this is true from the POV of Measure Theory.
so its just a theory? What makes the theory factual?
Uncountable Infinities also don't converge absolutely, they lack many properties that are needed to make sense in area measure, so Absolute Infinity sized universe redounds to, in the end, equal in volume to Aleph-0 sized universe, the truth is, I cringe describing it this way because trying to say "Absolute infinity volume" is the same as trying to take the Square Root of Purple, it doesn't make any sense, you invoke a category error.
scans for this?
If a character from a Countably infinite multiverse goes to travel to an Uncountably infinite verse, the Universes that are uncountable are accessible to him as they are not greater in magnitude or weight than the verse he already controls.
scans that suggest this?
To give a pragmatic solution, from his POV, it's only a more subdivided multiverse, but it doesn't take more range or energy to destroy, because Energy, Volume and Weight are all Countably Additive strictly speaking.
scans?
I get hated because I defied bigger infinities being a thing.
except the xebac guy doesn't even know who you are nor cares about your nerdy statements
Let's pretend for a second that Xeno Goku is Infinitely powerful, the number of attributes he has that are qualitatively infinite is finite. That's probably why he gets more powerful when he multiplies himself, he gets a non-infinite amount of attributes that are infinite in quality.
An Omnipotent like the Presence is infinite in all ways contingent and countably describable as he is perfect, and he can share his perfection with his sons like Lucifer and Michael or his daughters like Death of the Endless or Pralaya, and all four shitstomp Xeno Goku.
t's as simple as that, that's how you determine who wins in a multiverse debate, we go by their attributes, we can STAY within the realm of Classical Logic that most fictions use without the nonsense of Uncountable Infinities that depend on an ad hoc totally made up alternative logical foundation that no fiction uses.
Remember, the set of all powers and abilities that one can describe in Classical Logic is finite, so even the notion that Omnipotents have countably infinitely different attributes sounds strange, but you can just cleave it to Logical Omnipotence to avoid Illogical Omnipotence, and Multiverse debating can always stay within the bounds of Countable Infinity and Classical Logic by this simple formulatio
Imagine 24/7 people shit on me, not realizing I went through all sorts of bullshit, nearly went homeless multiple times and went through many emotional breakdowns. You all judge me and you don't know me.
The irony here is hilarious since you are doing exactly the same you claim we are.
I get hated because I defied bigger infinities being a thing. Now that I'm right, somehow it's my fault that I was right. As if the mathematical logic was manipulated by me and I took away people's precious bigger infinities. "Oh, Sungsam/Etriel took away what he needed from Not_exactly HOW DARE HE DO THAT???? HOW DARE HE NOT HAVE THE SAME EXACT OPINIONS AS NOT_EXACTLY????? HE'S LIKE A MONITOR WANKER" lol???????? Salt and Cope.
Oh god have you even reached 4 yet because I swear my little brother is less childish than this.
What do you want me to give Not_exactly? Ten million dollars? Get the fuck outta here.
A pat on the back at least.
Then you people wonder "Why is Sungsam such a dork?" because they all, who have a thorn stuck up their ass over me, outrageously are. Even a guy I let in my server, who I was chill with, and open to him in kindness, was shit talking me behind my back and continued to do so.
And will continue to do so as long as you don't stop desperately craving for attention.
So I'm now fierce and I have bigger balls than past versions of myself. Kindness doesn't work with these people.
Oh boy he reached puberty give this man ten million dollars.
Because if my opinions get memed, so can yours.
Sure, memes are always welcome, don't know why you think we would care about that tho.
And I'll call you all out kek, one by one. Assuming you are one of THOSE people.
Talking about being delusional.
If you think we actually spend every day talking shit about you then that's really sad, Belissaurus.
HOI tier intelligence on DC doesn't understand anything. Like, at all.
GEB is Lucifer, and Lucifer is inferior to the Presence, the Presence nearly casually destroyed the DC Multiverse including all the realms where he supposedly had less influence in, revealing that any limitation of the Presence was only him withholding in the end, or just an aspect, that already by itself blows everything you said out of the water.
Now cry along, dog of the Houseofidiots.
Do you even read scans? Extremely pathetic lol.
Even the birth of the burning light was imperceptible.
Presence was born from The Great Darkness, and is not an aspect of The Presence, that has been retconned long ago. Cope harder. Show me a scan of The Presence being born from Lucifer and then we can talk. Also the GEB that Lucifer was equated too was retconned to be only the Empty Hand which is now just a fraction of the Great Darkness, and even that small fraction matched a Weakened Presence easily.
Why do you respond with bullet points? It's annoying.
Because I want to. What you are going to do about that? Cry to ZGT?
HOI people really do have negative intelligence, considering you are a notorious cult worshipping SCP-3812
People have called the mods because I was trolling on 3812 threads in the past and you still believe we are cult of that garbage character? Fuck off.
That's simply a retaliation for all your bullshit against me, one day, your little group's name will be associated with intellectual degeneracy. I'll even make fun of you on SB kek.
We have literally done nothing against you, you are delusional, go seek professional help.
You literally lowball Nasuverse out of spite kek, and you admitted this- A
I have been doing that since my second post on Vine and it will never change.
I gave Not_exactly pats in the back in my server, anything else?
Good work
OH anti-HOI memes are in the works kiddo, I'll talk about how you guys worship and wank Eternalist fodders and all your debates about cosmology for the past 3 years ended up in nothing in the end, it's so tragic, really. Without cosmology, you literally can't debate for shit kek.
Damn the fact we actually live rent free on your head without doing anything is actually hilarious.
I can LITERALLY meme the shit out of every one of you, I even threatened Umy over this, but he's smart. Apparently, you're not..
Uh? You pretty much do? I know this for a fact.
You believe we do, which is extremely sad. The truth is we barely talked at you at all before you returned and gave us a new bad joke to laugh at. The truth is, you are just a small irrelevant fish in the sea of battleboarding trolls we debunk and tear arguments apart each day.
You started this war, despite that I was right all this time, you earned it.
The only one who started a war was you, and that was with your alts. Tell me, to this day I wonder who of you guys won the personality struggle. I bet it was Belisaurus.
Etriel/Belisarius/Sungsam/Norsewinter/Thopples = Superior
Wow, you are the APPOINTED champion of the oh so GLORIOUS Houseofidiot guild, and you show this pathetic display? I am very unimpressed. I learned nothing engaging with someone like you who catfished ZGTfreak by sending him dog porn, jesus man what the fuck is wrong with you, Saga the dog fucker?
Okay so you are too dumb to learn to read scan and instead resort to insults, got it.
Also no, I don't fuck my dogs, sorry to ruin your deranged fantasies.
You realize the moment you defined a PRE-RETCON Presence, you lost?
Oh god here comes the headcanon, cope massively.
99% of the time Beyonder is discussed in forums, we use the pre-Retcon version, so all I have to do in versus debates? Is define a pre-Retcon Presence too, and this forum (and SB too) can use that more instead of this new outlier cosmology, we can shift either to Vertigo or Matteis Presence LIKE I FUCKING SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD (which you are too stupid to read for some reason), BOTH are Omnipotent. You.... do realize that pre-Retcon interpretations of characters have been long in use before you showed up?
Vertigo Presence isn't omnipotent
Besides who said you got to decide which Presence we are using? No specification from the thread maker means we pick the most recent canon interpretation, and currently he's been portrayed as equal to the Great Darkness.
All I have to do, is define a pre-Retcon Presence the same way everyone defines a pre-Retcon Beyonder. See how you HOI twats are inferior to me? You literally forget basic procedures on pre-Retcon applications in versus debates common to ALL versus forums, that's how WEAK and FEEBLE little tiny your brain is. You even forget I mostly consider pre-retcon too earlier in this thread before you showed up.
Secondly, the recent Green Lantern 12 scans (which are NEWER, April 12 2022) exposes that the Source/Presence manifests himself into different forms, as a flaming hand among them and that everything we see of the Source is just an ASPECT.
Okay and this doesn't contradict of anything what we already know. Those are all aspects of the Light's true form, shich was shown here:
Strongly implying, given how the Presence/Source/Jack Kirby is, that since the Flaming Hand of the Source and etc. are all just aspects of the Source, including Jack Kirby persona himself, that STRONGLY implies everytime you see the Presence, that's an aspect too, given how chill he is, he doesn't give a shit about what GEB is currently doing.
Damn so shit he was forced to make a truce with it just so it didn't bust what was left of his fodder creation.
So even in modern day DC, it's not even set in stone! The Source manifests himself into different aspects, including the Hand writing on the Source Wall that we can identify to the Hand of God that GEB fought, this IMPLIES they are all just aspects too! I can attribute THE LIGHT to just another aspect of Presence/Source yet again thanks to Green Lantern 12, and an added bonus?
Sadly to you it was never stated to be an Aspect, we know the Light is the true thing since it was the form The Presence was born when it emerged from the Great Darkness.
This isn't hard to comprehend, this is the new canon, if you dom't like it, go find another verse to wank.
JACK KIRBY is the aspect of the Presence/Source implying Presence/Source is the Writer, so he has no rivals, including GEB.
Legit headcanon. The Source manifesting as a tribute to Jack Kirby doesn't mean in any way he is The Writer of the comic
Yet another shitfuck of HOI added to the list who I absolutely demolished.
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Etriel/Sungsam/Norsewinter/Rothschild-Banker/Thopples = Superior
God tier, dude really threw paragraphs with insults providing no evidence. Then tries to PM random people that "SCP fans" are flagging them for "debunking"
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