The Tyrannical Ten Tournament - CaV - Darth Caedus (DC77) vs Darth Vader (Ethanion)

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This thread is apart of a larger tournament between ten ComicVine users. You can read the other debates here:

Darth Caedus as of Legacy of the Force - Invincible. Darth Vader as of Episode VI - Return of the Jedi.

The combatants will fight in-character and with morals on, but beyond that they will not hold back and are ready to kill. They start diagonal from each other at 42 meters away in an indestructible 30 meters by 30 meter arena in the grass plains of Dantooine.

Each introduction can take a maximum of one week to create. Each subsequent post can take a maximum of two weeks to respond. Tentatively, there will be three posts per side. The first post, not including response or sourcing quotes, will have a maximum of 10,000 original characters, the second 17,500, and the third 25,000. Each debater will have a 2,500 finisher.

The debate follows all formal and informal policies of Lucas Licensing as of September 2012, including the internal continuity rankings of the Holocron. In addition:

  • Feats take precedent over directly and indisputably contradicted statements.
  • Quotes are binding and have no expiration date unless directly or subtextually contradicted. For the latter, such a case must be made within the debate itself.
  • All letter or number statistics ascribed to characters from C-Canon sources, including role-playing games and trading cards, are banned.

A panel of three judges - myself, @darthskywalker0, and a third - will decide the winner.

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TAEP.

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TAEP. Good luck both.

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ethan kick his ass, you have my support ma boi

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#5  Edited By DC77
"We stand on a tipping point where we can choose chaos or order"

1) Comparison Of Power

A) Maul~Vader

Let's kick this off with a bang. There's a wealth of evidence favouring Jacen in this matchup from superior feats, to comparisons of power but let's start with the most obvious comparison that heavily benefits Jacen. Vader has explicitly been labelled as relative to Maul and Dooku in power.

“And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That’s what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn’t as strong as the Emperor – he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn’t what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that.”

George Lucas, The Cult Of Darth Vader

Just so there's no misinterpretations being thrown around about this statement let's look at what the statement is actually about. The entire passage is in reference to Vader's power across the course of his life so when Lucas is talking about Vader being as strong as Sidious and then losing his limbs which makes him become like Maul or Dooku he's obviously referring to them being relative to Vader. Anything else would be a tangent and not relevant to the topic at hand.

B) Caedus>Maul

So why don't we next examine the implications of Maul being on Vader's level in power. When it came to his clash against Sidious Maul was overwhelmed by Sidious's speed in their engagement the second Sidious ramped up his power and became more serious which is a stark contrast to how Jacen performed against Luke.

Sidious raised his saber and flew at Maul, who parried desperately, his mechanical legs whirring as he sought to counter his former Master’s blows. Sidious’s sabers were a blur, a whirling cage of deadly plasma. Maul danced away from one blow, then reversed his movement to avoid another, and then there were too many to count, and then there were even more than that.

Maul’s saber spun out of his hand, bouncing away across the floor.

Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy

Jacen managed to parry a blow despite not having his lightsaber drawn when it began and even physically tag Luke with a kick in combat. Now, I shouldn't have to articulate why Grandmaster Luke Skywalker is more powerful than TCW Darth Sidious but if you are in doubt of it substantiation will be provided in my next post of the debate.

Luke didn't give Jacen a chance to surrender. He just sprang.

Ben's jaw dropped, and Jacen started to spin, snatching his lightsaber from his belt and igniting it in the same motion, bringing the emerald blade around high to protect his heart and head.

But Luke was attacking low, striking for the kidney to disable in the most painful way possible. Jacen's eyes widened. He flipped his lightsaber down in the same moment Luke's met flesh.

The tip sank a few centimeters, drawing a pained hiss as it touched a kidney, then Jacen's blade made contact and knocked it aside. Even that small wound would have left most humans paralyzed with agony. But Jacen thrived on pain, fed on it to make himself stronger and faster. He simply completed his pivot and landed a rib-crunching roundhouse.

Luke stumbled back, his chest filled with fire. Jacen had caught him on the barely healed scar from his first fight with Lumiya, and now his breath was coming in short painful gasps.

Legacy Of The Force: Inferno

In any case the conclusion here is that Jacen is a comfortably more powerful combatant than Maul somebody who is relative to Vader based off him performing better against a much more powerful foe.

2) Feats

In terms of feats Vader lags quite far behind Caedus as well. If we examine what Caedus can do this should become apparent fairly quickly.

A) Illusions

Jacen has several great feats of conjuring up illusions. He's managed to repeatedly fool Luke with them, despite Luke obviously being one of, if not the strongest non entity character in the mythos.

"Mara?" Now Luke's voice was frightened. "What's wrong?"

"Good question," Mara said.

She turned to Jacen, but he only held a finger to his lips and moved his hoverchair closer to Luke. R2-D2 emitted a confused whistle and raised a hydraulic extension with a medical sensor at the end.

"Mara!" Luke turned and hit the emergency summons button next to Mara's bed, but Jacen made a motion with his hands and the button did not depress. Luke did not seem to realize this. He turned back to Mara and placed his fingers to her throat, checking her pulse. "I can't feel a pulse. Artoo, call an EmDee droid. Tell her to hurry!"

R2-D2 spun toward the data jack to obey, but Jacen used the Force to disable the power to the droid's treads.

Mara caught Jacen's gaze. "All right, Jacen. This has gone far enough."

Not yet. The message reverberated without words inside Mara's head. He must learn.

Mara felt another wave of Force energy pass over her, and Luke cried out in horror and looked toward R2-D2. "Artoo, what's taking you so long?"

R2-D2 issued a frustrated whistle and spun an accusing photoreceptor toward Jacen. Luke could take it no longer. He raised a hand and began to fill it with life-giving Force energy.

"Jacen, we can't wait. We have to revive her ourselves." He pointed at the emergency respirator hanging on the wall. "Get the respirator."

Luke leaned over Mara and started to place his hand on her chest-until Jacen raised an arm and pushed him away.

"Jacen!" Luke screamed. "What's wrong with you?"

"Nothing," Jacen said calmly. "And there's nothing wrong with Aunt Mara."

Luke's gaze swung back to Mara, and she could not decide whether he looked more stunned or relieved. "You're . . . you're alive again!"

"I was never dead," Mara said. "I think Jacen is trying to make a point."

Dark Nest: The Swarm War

Jacen cloaked Lumiya in a Force illusion and projected his own unconcerned calm as Luke approached. It was an exhausting manoeuvre, nothing beyond him when dealing with ordinary people, but something that took all his strength when deceiving a Jedi Master of Luke's stature.

Luke strode toward them and glanced back over his shoulder a couple of times as if someone were following him. He acknowledged Jacen stiffly and paid Lumiya no more than polite attention, as if his mind was more on what was down the corridor.

Jacen strained to hold the Force illusion steady, like a ball of heat within his chest that he had to balance to keep it from touching his rib cage. That was exactly how it felt. And Lumiya . . . Lumiya, somehow nestled in miniature within that ball of heat, felt not vengeful or trying to disguise her intentions, but genuinely worried about being discovered before her work was complete.

Legacy Of The Force: Bloodlines

He's also managed to create illusions potent enough convince Fondor shield guards despite not even being on Fondor at the time, or even knowing where they were, whilst also simultaneously enduring a backlash of negative emotion from the battle link he established with his crew aboard the Anakin Solo that was weakening his force powers and blocking his senses.

The dam burst in him, but it found a river channel. Caedus saw what the Fondorians operating the shield facility might see; he had no idea what the actual location looked like, but he didn't need to waste his strength projecting his consciousness to actually observe. Any imagined scene would do to focus him as the torrent of anger and raw nerves of a hundred or more commanders poured back through him. He pictured the shield generator plant, the control room, imagining it much as any other power plant in the industrialized galaxy: a wall covered in readouts and status lights, and rows of consoles around him where other workers kept an eye on the integrity of the shield and ensured that a constant power level fed it. There would be a message system, possibly an illuminated board updating staff on the security alert level, too. The exact details didn't matter, he knew, as long as he could imagine enough about what was happening in their minds to be able to latch on to some breeze of a thought in the Force, and slip into their world.

It was like listening for a particular noise or vibration when tuning a speeder drive. He always knew which sounds were normal, and which-however faint, however close to the threshold of his hearing-shouldn't have been there and indicated a problem. Once he heard that sound, it was the only one he could hear, blanking out all others.

Caedus dropped into that white noise of the feelings and thoughts of billions on Fondor, and heard the one repeating note out of kilter with the rest. He focused. In seconds, it filled his head to the exclusion of all else.

He was aware of solid, real beings moving around him on the ship, but he was now more aware of the shield generator facility five kilometres east of Oridin and the minds of the control room team.

There were more of them than usual, he could feel that. There was a sense of having strangers around, as if they'd called in extra staff and were running emergency operations, which fitted a facility that probably ran on standby with droids and a caretaker crew most of the time.

The fleet needs to shelter.

Caedus concentrated on projecting an impression that the GA Fleet and its allies had been driven off, and now ships needed to return to base under the protection of the shield. There was urgency in it, because many of the vessels were damaged and needed to land before atmosphere vented or hulls gave way.

Open up. Let us in.

He flooded the operators' minds with an urge to get the ships to safety as soon as possible, all kinds of worries and concerns about family members who might be on board, a burning sense of saving people, of pulling out all the stops...

Now. Drop the shields, we're going to crash, let us through, for pity's sake help us...

"Shields down!" It wasn't Nevil's voice, but that of the weapons officer. Caedus was still drifting in that fog of minds, drowning in their panic and urgency, and not here with the ship that was going to unleash their worst night-mare. "Cone section, fire when ready..."

Legacy Of The Force: Revelation

B) Force Barrier

Jacen has a variety of great feats in regards to shielding himself from danger. The first example of this would be shielding himself from a barrage of about twenty bolts of cannon fire from an assault cruiser. Note that the full force of a single blast on a lightsaber blade could drive Zekk to his knees.

A blue cascade of cannon bolts began to sweep across the dune, its deep thump-thumping an almost gentle counter-point to the crashing roar of the turbolasers. Jaina and Zekk stood expectant for what seemed an eternity. There was no use trying to run or take cover. Drop ship weapons systems were designed to spread a carpet of death around their landing zones. Often, they laid fire as thick as twenty bolts a square meter.

...

Zekk took a cannon blast full on his blade and was driven to his knees.

...

Jaina spun away from another attack and glimpsed Jacen and Tahiri standing back-to-back, Jacen holding his hand above their heads, cannon fire ricocheting away as though he held a deflector shield in his palm. That was something Jaina and Zekk had never seen before.

Dark Nest: The Swarm War

Jacen has also managed to shield himself and his vehicle from an explosion that damaged or ripped apart every building in a two hundred meter radius.

Jacen jerked his head around, suddenly seized by such a powerful sense of immediate danger that his instinct was to fling himself on Niathal and wrap the taxi tight in a Force shield. The vessel bucked hard as if it had been hit by a tidal wave. There was a second of silence before a deafening whump shook it like a box and they were caught in an instant blizzard of what seemed to be glittering snow. It hammered the hull as Jacen fought to hold the taxi steady, oblivious of the pilot's efforts.

Shattered transparisteel.

It seemed to go on for minutes. The pilot was shouting. Jacen straightened up, staring into the rapidly blinking eye of a shaken Niathal, and knew that they had caught the tail end of a huge explosion.

Jacen could feel what had happened, but it was still a shocking sight. Ahead of them, the skylanes seemed to be a gaping hole of nothing-as if a whole mass of speeders had fallen out of the sky, which they clearly had-and for a hundred meters the buildings on either side were like jagged, open mouths. Each transparisteel frontage had been blown out. The Force was torn with anger and fear and shock. The unnatural silence was broken by emergency klaxons and echoing shouts. Jacen realized the taxi's screens had collapsed into the cabin, although still in one piece.

Legacy Of The Force: Bloodlines

C) Telekinesis

To establish a baseline for Jacen's telekinetic abilities he's managedto ragdoll Y-wings without difficulty.

Jacen reached out and pulled a handful of air toward him. Simultaneously the Y-wing's ion jet pods skidded backward across the duracrete, sending up showers of sparks, just until the starfighter's nose slid off the barrier and crashed to the ground, facing directly into the duracrete.

Then he added a twisting motion, and the Y-wing rotated along its long axis, crashing onto the taxiing strip upside down.

Legacy Of The Force: Betrayal

However that's barely scratching the surface, Jacen has been able to hold the Falcon together as it dealt with atmospheric re-entry and a damaged drive that would have otherwise caused cracks to spread without even being present at the time, but rather projecting his telekinetic strength through Leia, a feat that was so impressive it shocked Luke.

That was what he needed to know. He was certain now that his mother was using the Force to stop the cracks in the drive housing from spreading and ripping the Falcon apart as the ship reentered the atmosphere. It was a massive task. She needed help.

Jacen filled his lungs with a long, slow breath and centered himself to try something he had never attempted before.

Mom, I hope you can handle this.

He pictured Leia sitting in the copilot's seat. Her emotions and her presence in the Force washed over him and he visualized himself in her place, behind her eyes, seeing what she saw. For a moment he was simply observing; but then a feeling like a sigh drained out of him and it was as if he were exhaling an infinite breath into his mother-no, through his mother. Now he was no longer sitting in the alcove between two topiary bushes, but staring at an array of lights and readouts and at hands that weren't his. Beyond the console, Coruscant loomed in the viewport.

If Jaina had joined the effort, she was hardly detectable. He had drowned out her presence in his own mind with the sheer strength of the telekinesis he was projecting.

Take this, Mom. Use me. Use the Force I'm channeling through you.

He heard her say "Uh!" as if something had startled her. Then he could feel pressure in his lungs as if he were running hard and fighting for breath. He had no idea how long it lasted. But he had the sense of clutching something tight to his chest, and an awareness somewhere outside his mind and yet at its core showed him the Falcon enveloped in the Force, the hull around her drive assembly compressed instead of expanding catastrophically.

He was sure he wasn't seeing what his mother was actually looking at, because he had none of the images of entering the atmosphere or landing. The scenes inside the Falcon's cockpit were being supplied by his memory. He was simultaneously aware both of that rational fact and that his Force power was being funneled through his mother, helping her hold the drive assembly in place by telekinesis.

Then relief swept over him like a wave, making his scalp tingle and his heart pound. The Falcon was down safely. He knew it. Now he could open his eyes. When he did, he was almost surprised to find himself still in the grounds of the Temple in broad daylight.

Legacy Of The Force: Bloodlines

Furthermore when entering a hangar Jacen managed to slow his StealthX which was accelerating rapidly whilst simultaneously holding it steady to avoid a crash, an excellent display of telekinetic strength and skill.

The orange tunnel rushed up to meet him faster than he expected and he jerked the yoke back. Nothing snagged him; he didn't feel it, anyway. He couldn't look back. But he felt Luke's moment of horror at a near hit, buying him seconds that he needed to shoot underneath the Star Destroyer and come back along its length toward one of the hangar decks.

"Anakin Solo, emergency landing, damaged StealthX One-One-open Five-Alpha Hangar..."

He could have sworn he snapped off the tip of a commmast. He was holding the fighter steady as much by the Force as by its controls, and trying to slow it with the Force as well, because the braking burn wasn't enough. He had to drop into that slot just right or he'd take the section out with him.

I could have activated the transponder, let them track me for the last few seconds, but I can't pinpoint the Jedi...

Too late.

Caedus stopped thinking and felt. He was braking with everything he had. Coming out of the blackness of space, the hangar lights were sudden and blinding, and then he realized they were sparks. He was skidding across the hangar deck. The bulkhead filled his view; the arrester baffle caught him. He was flung against what felt like a permacrete wall. As the lights around dimmed and he couldn't see through the canopy any longer, he had a foolish moment of thinking he was dying.

No, you've done that. Doesn't feel like this.

Legacy Of The Force: Revelation

To wrap things up Jacen has showed decisive telekinetic superior to his sister Jaina, while in critical condition (He had a hole in his shoulder, a shattered kneecap, a crushed ankle, only one arm and a wound in his gut).

The invisible fist of a Force blast slammed Jaina in the chest and sent her flying back, her breath groaning from her lungs and her lightsaber hissing free of Caedus's stomach. From the fight on Nickel One, she had learned the dangers of letting her head snap back on impact. She tucked her chin, then fought to hold it there as she struck the durasteel wall on the far side of the corridor.

...

Letting his lightsaber deactivate and drop to the floor, he reached toward her, making a twisting motion with his hand.

Jaina felt her chin twisting around and went with it, using the Force to accelerate her whole body into a spin, still leaping toward Caedus, bringing her lightsaber around in a clearing arc.

...

Caedus didn't even try. He simply glanced toward the open mouth of the fusion incinerator. In the next instant Jaina felt herself rushing toward its searing heat, and it took all her Force strength to pull herself aside the half meter that saved her life.

But the durasteel into which she slammed was still scorching, and the pain of impact was nothing compared to the sizzling shock of merely contacting the furnace exterior. She dropped to the floor screaming in rage and anguish, her nostrils filled with the stench of singed hair and charred skin, the black GAG utilities still burning on her back.

...

All she needed was to get past his lightsaber and attack the armless side of his body-before she collapsed herself, or he recovered enough to kill her with one last Force blast.

Legacy Of The Force: Invincible

3) Conclusion

I think the result of this matchup is fairly obvious, aside from the direct comparison of power (There are others as well but as of now this should be sufficient) Jacen also has much better showings of force power (Some of which have been saved for subsequent posts), and to be entirely honest Vader is out of his league here.

That's all for now folks, hope you enjoyed my opener.

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@dc77 nice post. Mine should be up by Saturday.

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Good stuff

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#10  Edited By ArkhamAsylum3

Why're you all posting so fast lol? Take extra time to research. I'm certainly going to wait until the night before my time is over to give myself extra research time.

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Fucking nerd.

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Well done DC. caedus will always be my favourite Sith Lord . Also TAEP

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TAEP

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@dc77: This is one of your best opening. Great job!

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Gewd work

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terrible post imo. the vader lowballing knows no bounds

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Solid opener.

@xolthol said:

TAEP. Good luck both.

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Fucking nerd.

Hey, you have to respond to the CaV? Our CaV? Do it now

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@meatpants said:

Fucking nerd.

Hey, you have to respond to the CaV? Our CaV? Do it now

Wait you finally responded to MP? Link, please.

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@lordofthelight said:
@meatpants said:

Fucking nerd.

Hey, you have to respond to the CaV? Our CaV? Do it now

Wait you finally responded to MP? Link, please.

Dude it's on KMC and LOTL you've only posted the first half of your post, so.

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@meatpants:

Dude it's on KMC and LOTL you've only posted the first half of your post, so.

Can't be bothered to look for it. Also, it's fine @lordofthelight I read the first half of your post.

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@lordofthelight you can finish your other half if you want, maybe post the first half on CV and then your second bit.

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Overall? Mediocre.

Content was decent. The feats section was okay, the first section was meh- I've seen worse, which is hardly surprising as I have spent hours of my life deconstructing Caedus >> Vader scaling chains.

The grammar though- that grammar goddamnit, that fucking grammar

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Whoa!

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10/10 post bois, common knowledge Caedus is the true chosen one

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@dark-sith123: Overall? Mediocre.

Like your posts (JK).

Content was decent. The feats section was okay, the first section was meh- I've seen worse, which is hardly surprising as I have spent hours of my life deconstructing Caedus >> Vader scaling chains.

I've spent far longer making those chains boy.

The grammar though- that grammar goddamnit, that fucking grammar

A) Which parts of my post are you referring too.

B) I typed this out at 1 in the morning and was half asleep so there probably are some issues though in my defence given the circumstances it's not that bad...

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@dc77:

1) Inserting the self-evident JK kinda defeats the point of your retort, tbh.

2) Really? Well, that's the bitchy aspect of life- it's as if someone spent hours creating a magnificent card tower for some dude to blow it apart in two seconds. Sorry 'bout that.

3:

A) Let's compile a list, shall we?

In part A of "Comparison of Power", this: "There's a wealth of evidence favouring Jacen in this matchup from superior feats, to comparisons of power but let's start with the most obvious comparison that heavily benefits Jacen" has a misplaced comma. Why is that comma there? It messes up the whole sentence. The only place in that sentence where including a comma would make sense is in between the words power and but. Commas popped up where they aren't really necessary, but didn't when it was advisable to include them, for example:

"Just so there's no misinterpretations being thrown around about this statement let's look at what the statement is actually about". A comma between statements and the contraction 'let's' would make the sentence neater and easier to read even if it isn't mandatory.

Moving onto part B in "Comparison of Power", I can immediately spot flaws in the very first sentence.

"So why don't we next examine the implications of Maul being on Vader's level in power" The structure itself is wonky- so why don't we next especially. It just doesn't have a great ring to it, though that's just personal preference. The mistake I want to emphasize is that this is clearly a question and should as such have a question mark at the end. Know your punctuation.

"When it came to his clash against Sidious Maul was overwhelmed by Sidious's speed in their engagement the second Sidious ramped up his power and became more serious which is a stark contrast to how Jacen performed against Luke" could also do with one or two commas because it's way too long right now, like a run-on sentence. Again, this is not mandatory.

In part A of "Feats", this contains a glaring error: "He's also managed to create illusions potent enough convince Fondor shield guards despite not even being on Fondor at the time". The error can easily be spotted- illusions potent enough convince Fondor Shield guards is amateurish. Potent enough TO convince Fondor Shield guards. There needs to be a link, and it's as simple as a to.

In the same sentence, there's this I would like to highlight too: "whilst also simultaneously enduring a backlash of negative emotion from the battle link he established with his crew aboard the Anakin Solo that was weakening his force powers and blocking his senses." Remove either also or simultaneously, because also simultaneously is absolutely redundant given that the two words mean the same thing in this context.

In part C, "To establish a baseline for Jacen's telekinetic abilities he's managedto ragdoll Y-wings without difficulty" is a mistake unless 'managedto' has been recently added to the English language and I was somehow unaware of this development.

"However that's barely scratching the surface, Jacen has been able to hold the Falcon together as it dealt with atmospheric re-entry and a damaged drive that would have otherwise caused cracks to spread without even being present at the time, but rather projecting his telekinetic strength through Leia, a feat that was so impressive it shocked Luke". Here, it is advisable to place a comma between however and the contraction 'that's'. Furthermore, this chunk needn't be just one sentence- replace the comma between surface and Jacen with a period.

Part C happened to be the section containing the most errors, so bear with me here. "Furthermore when entering a hangar Jacen managed to slow his StealthX which was accelerating rapidly whilst simultaneously holding it steady to avoid a crash, an excellent display of telekinetic strength and skill". Two commas are missing- insert them between furthermore and when as well as between hangar and Jacen.

"To wrap things up Jacen has showed decisive telekinetic superior to his sister Jaina, while in critical condition (He had a hole in his shoulder, a shattered kneecap, a crushed ankle, only one arm and a wound in his gut)" is the last sentence in this part of the post I would like to draw your attention to. The comma between Jaina and while is useless and ought to be taken away from there. The only place in your sentence where that comma could fit in excluding the bit in parentheses is between up in 'to wrap things up' and Jacen. To finalize, the He when you open parentheses isn't capitalized because you did not end the previous sentence nor did you start a new one. Lowercase h.

In the conclusion:

"I think the result of this matchup is fairly obvious, aside from the direct comparison of power (There are others as well but as of now this should be sufficient)" parentheses mistake again. Insert a period at the end because from what I could tell you started a new sentence right after.

"Jacen also has much better showings of force power (Some of which have been saved for subsequent posts)". You know what to do.

Sorry if I just gave you a mini grammar lesson in front of the whole community but you did ask me to specify which parts of your post I was referring to. I simply acquiesced and went through the post looking for these errors (actually dug up more than I expected to).

B) Well, if you say so, but I was up until four concluding my post for our CaV and if I went through it a million times I could not point out as many errors as I did with your 10,000 character opener. Not sure if that qualifies as an excuse...

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TAEP because there's no T4V here (dammit). Interested to see how Ethanion will respond.

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The jealousy is strong with this one

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Still waiting...

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#35  Edited By DC77

@dark-sith123: HP ran your post through Grammarly and said it had over 1000 grammatical errors kek. If you look hard enough you can find them.

In any case I'll edit them.

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http://www.100proofreading.com.au/index.php/blog/29-think-twice-about-grammarly-then-reject-it

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And no, I reviewed my post and removed several errors I didn’t catch at first sight

Grammarly is as reliable as Word spell-check (which is shit. I speak from personal experience)