The Thought Robot and God Emperor Doom vs The Spectre and Michael Demiurgos

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which team wins?

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Doom solos

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Michael solos. GED is a noob who doesn't know how to use his powers. TR gets fodderized.

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Team 2

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Stalemate.

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Michael solos

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micheal tips the scale

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Michael solos, LOL. First off, Dooms implied power says, that his durability is not that good. A explosion from 100k universes can kill every Beyonder, which just shows, that Doom is not that impressive. Michael Demiurgos can easily cause a attack, which can destroy the whole creation, when he dies:

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Doom never showed infinite multiversal feats. He only has taken over the whole planet, oneshotted Thanos base, etc. That God Doom had problems with IG just shows how weak he is, lol. Superman is not that impressive either, because he was really harmed by a attack with the boold of 52 universes, which Michael easily can cause. A

Debate me.

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#13  Edited By Sungsam

Michael threatened to destroy the World Tree which is connected to every single Multiverse in DC's Snyder Omniverse to the point it even affected Lucifer's Creation for some reason. I still have gripes about that because I'm not sure why the World Tree affects a Creation outside of Yahweh's. But it just did.

But DC has come to the point where there are potentially infinite number of Infinite Dimensional Multiverses outside the Source Wall if the speculation is true that Perpetua's sisters and brothers tend to equal Creations outside the Main DC Multiverse (which is Infinite-D to Carey, Matteis and Jenkins). Which is something Michael almost destroyed.

Fact is, Michael can in fact solo this.

Doom has too many inconsistencies and stupidities to get around. But DC's evolving growingly ever united cosmology makes Marvel look pocket dimension by comparison.

Thought Robot Superman is powerful, but even if you united DC's Cosmology to scale for him against Michael, he still loses really badly because something like Perpetua is hinted to be above the Monitors in power, and that gal was sealed in the True Source Wall (above the Monitors) that was created by Michael in the first place.

Spectre on the other hand, he sometimes gets challenged by low level wizards, and then sometimes goes up to power in surpassing the Outer-Voids in power. It depends on which level we discuss here.

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Michael still solos.

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TR/GED

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Micheal solos

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Authors answered your question already in January of 2019. Plot Bot takes this easily. To correct a point made by another user. It was hinted that Perpetua was stronger than only any two of the original three Monitors. Monitor, Anti-Monitor and The Forging Monitor are not from Nil. Over Monitor saw The Flaw on itself and decided some control was in order. Nil and the Nil Monitors were made to dictate the actions of the original three Monitors and ongoins of the Flaw. They are not related in the slightest to Monitor, Anti-Monitor, Forger or Barbatos. Nil Monitors make the original Trio of Monitors look like microbes and we just found out that Perpetua is even worse than Lucifer, as well as that just the Forging Monitor alone is stronger than WF Mxyzptlk and Bite-Mite combined. We got an absolutely metric ton of new information recently.

James: Oh yes, the story absolutely came first. The thing that was exciting in building this story, and coming at the story with the idea that we wanted to incorporate and lash together a Unified Theory of DC Cosmology, that encompasses every corner of DC mythos. You would think given all of the disparate mythologies that Scott was just talking about, it would feel like you would have to cancel out some pieces of continuity. But what we found over and over and over is in this story we're building, it allows us to incorporate everything--all of our big, favorite stories--without negating anything. Everything we've loved that we wanted to incorporate, this story allows us to incorporate it in full. It's a thrilling feeling as a writer when you go back and hypothetically, if a person were to sit back down with Crisis on Infinite Earths to look at an upcoming issue of the series, realizing that, 'Oh, what we're doing now actually is additive. it won't subtract anything from the original narrative.' That is a powerful feeling.

Scott: The last thing I would say is that we also just want to express our gratitude to readers. We don't take this job lightly at all. When you're doing stories that touch this stuff that's very sacred to people, about the kind of keystone mythology that governs the universe they grew up with... we're not doing things to be sensational. We're not doing things without a tremendous amount of deliberation with other writers and other creators at DC and all of that.

taken from :https://screenrant.com/dc-comic-justice-league-annual-perpetua/

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Michael can solo. Spectre could easily god stomp everyone, including Michael, but it depends on what version. If it's spectre at his absolute peak, he merged with the source, one of the three aspects of god. Remember, there are basically three One Above Alls in DC, being the Presence, Primal Monitor, and the source. After merging the source basically became the spectre, but the spectre was still himself, and still had the duty of serving gods vengeance, as well as protecting the innocent beings of the DC multiverse from cosmic threats. However, the spectre now has all the powers of the source and is directly connected to the oversoul, which basically means that he stalemates The Presence, Primal Monitor, Source, and TOAA. In this case, he would decimate everyone in this battle including Michael. If it's unbound spectre, then he really isn't a factor here, and the fight would probably gon Michael. If it's Hal Jordan Spectre, he defeats everyone again. This is because Hal Jordan Spectre was the one who merged with the Logoz, the direct inner channel between the Spectre and the Presence. This means that he has access to all the untapped infinite power granted to him. On his own, he probably reaches high enough that he only falls under the Dunamis Demiorgous power, which is Michael and Lucifer combined, making it the second most powerful thing in the DC multiverse, second only to god. Under these circumstances, Speccy would beat everyone in Marvel and Lucifer or Michael individually, not together. So all in all, the fight goes to Michael and Spectre 10/10, but either of them could easily solo, and with the Spectre, it depends on what version.

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Michael should solo for team 2.

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Michael solos. GED is a noob who doesn't know how to use his powers. TR gets fodderized.

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Team 2 should win with mild difficulty.

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Team 2. Michael Demi solos all three

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Team 1 take it. LOL at Michael soloing. Doom beats him after a good fight

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Thought robot should be replaced.

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CAS solo and kill doom for being fodder

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Michael solos.

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Thought robot should be replaced.

Agreed, the fodder goes down first. After that, Spectre and Michael together are too much for GED. I’d be inclined to say Michael solos tbh

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Team 1 take it. LOL at Michael soloing. Doom beats him after a good fight

Man. Clowns love clinging to false realities.

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Michael Does the Griddy and drops all three on their a**

Thought robot and GED being try Hards
Thought robot and GED being try Hards
And they got Fodderised
And they got Fodderised

---> Offender-tron out

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@godlyshinigami said:

Team 1 take it. LOL at Michael soloing. Doom beats him after a good fight

Man. Clowns love clinging to false realities.

Less of a "false reality" more of a different opinion.

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#35  Edited By M_Architect_M

Michael solos, The Spectre could get beaten quite easily by Thought Robot or no depending of his versions, current one gets defeated, there are others that could scale directly to Michael.

Dr. Doom is a non factor, all his bump came from only a part of the power that Molecule Man allow him to use and later took away from him and even with them he hardly could control the power properly, could only manipulate to a smaller scale the already few universes that remained after the death of The Beyonder race, had problems in defeating Black Panther with Infinity Gauntlet, and even If Molecula Man gave him part of his powers or the ones of The Beyonders, Molecula Man could only destroy the multiverse by killing himself completely and The Beyonders got killed by a far weaker attack, and both of them are bound by quantum physics power scaling and can be killed by source of powers that manipulates atoms and energy, they are far below

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Isn't CAS proven to be fodder? Spectre demolishes him. Meanwhile Michael wrecks GED with ease. Team 2 in a stomp.

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If this is base Spectre I could potentially see the duo of team 1 putting down Michael with a double team assault once spectre is handled fairly easily.

If most powerful version of spectre team 2 should own

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@brogokudestroys said:
@godlyshinigami said:

Team 1 take it. LOL at Michael soloing. Doom beats him after a good fight

Man. Clowns love clinging to false realities.

Less of a "false reality" more of a different opinion.

An objectively false opinion.

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#39  Edited By Prime10000

@m_architect_m: "current one gets defeated, there are others that could scale directly to Michael."

Stop the spectre wank!!! There is no version of spectre that scale to michael (the only version of spectre who is maybe michael level is spectre combined with the void of all things), spectre get own by micheal when they fight and micheal fight the second most powerful version of him.

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#40  Edited By Dill4Billz

CAs solos he transcends the map and Michael is bound to it having only a fraction of the presence’s energy who lost the war in heaven during Final Crisis. The spectre shouldn’t be here as Doom who could only fix fragments of a broken universe and had issues with a universal IG black panther and the source of Dooms power(Owen Reese) needed kid franklin richards help recreating a multiverse.

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#41  Edited By GodlyShinigami

@brogokudestroys: That's the beautiful things , about opinions... They can't be false. Now don't get me wrong , I'm more than open to the idea of Michael beating Doom and after going over Michael's showings I might even lean towards him , but the idea that he can solo a team with Doom present is rather far fetched , no matter who you think wins they're in the same "weight class" of power

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#42  Edited By ODIN619360

Team 2, Micheal has always had that kind of power while God Emperor Doom is new to the power and its not the same as weilding the Odin Force or Power cosmic.

That being said he went toe toe with Black panther weilding the IG. And if we consider that it was stated in conversation that a conflict between Adam Warlock IG and LT himself would lay waste to reality. LT himself being outerversal.

IG also 3 or more occasions completely embarrassed the Abstracts consisting of Eternity, love, Master order a few just to mention.

So while I say Team Micheal.

At the moment Micheal>>GED>>>Spetre>>>>>>>>>>Thought Robot.

But I could be convinced Micheal=GED if we take the IG Black panther battle and scale from Infinity Gauntlet.

But for now Team 2 and Thought Robot is the weak link.

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@dill4billz: unless someone has the power of a galaxy worth of sun's then he folds like we paper.

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michael solos

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

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Spectre beats Thought Robot. Michael beats Doom

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@brogokudestroys: That's the beautiful things , about opinions... They can't be false. Now don't get me wrong , I'm more than open to the idea of Michael beating Doom and after going over Michael's showings I might even lean towards him , but the idea that he can solo a team with Doom present is rather far fetched , no matter who you think wins they're in the same "weight class" of power

So saying it’s an opinion is objectively false. Ok. It really isn’t. Doom has done nothing that even gets him close to a Vertigo character. He more than likely loses to DC characters lmfaooo. They aren’t… Doom with wank is multiversal, Michael IS casually infinite multiversal.

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Michael negs all 3 and it’s not even close…

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@brogokudestroys: I backed team 2 but you are just as bad, wtf is infinite multiversal?

Micheal is powerful we know, but keep it real.