The Thing runs the H2H Gauntlet

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Inercoid

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@inercoid said:

Gladiator was at full confidence in all of these occasions and it didn't stop him from losing to some of these people or failing to hurt them with his hits. Literally the only times the "muh confidence" thing was brought up was in his first FF appearance and in a fight against Cannonball. The "power varies" excuse doesn't fly here. And Ben has beaten people better than Gladiator before.

Based on what? Since you said so?

Based on the fact that he was as confident as when he performed his better feats and nothing implied that his confidence was wavering. So basically, based on common sense.

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#52  Edited By Alphamon

Ok so i don’t know a lot about the thing other then the fact that his been able to contend with herald lvl characters and that’s it would some one be so kind but to educate me on the thing so I can judge on were he would stop or possibly clear

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Got it, since you said so. Thanks!

@inercoid said:

Based on the fact that he was as confident as when he performed his better feats and nothing implied that his confidence was wavering. So basically, based on common sense.

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Got it, since you said so. Thanks!

@inercoid said:

Based on the fact that he was as confident as when he performed his better feats and nothing implied that his confidence was wavering. So basically, based on common sense.

Nice rebuttal, dumbass. Good to know you've got nothing productive to say.

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@inercoid:

"It would be arguable if he had TP. Pure h2h he gets destroyed and it's not a question."

I'd argue against this, but then I realize that this is Post-Crisis Arthur & not New 52/Rebirth.

"Citation needed for "was back up a few moments later". Because the artist for the issue said that Hulk was out for a minute or two."

A minute is a few moments.

"He was out for the weak not just because of the punch, but because he was getting the shit beaten out of him by amped Immortal Hulk for an hour and half, with the arm-shattering punch being the cherry on the the cake."

Hulk was toying with Thing with the intent of making him suffer instead of straight up killing him. He was clearly pulling his punches given the fact that Thing was KO-ed by Cho Hulk.

Also, nice respect thread. A lot of those showings are incredibly high end, and not consistent. Some of them also lack context, or aren't impressive.

"beat the crap out of Star-Dancer (a planet buster)"

A character with a whole 5 apperances, and no notable durability feats (at least not from what I've seen).

"pulverized his helmet with a punch"

After several hits of him being completely unphased by Thing's attacks. Also, even Cyclops was able to damage Colossus's helment.

"tanked a continuous blast from Galactus that was said to be powerful enough to split the planet in two"

That's a massive outlier given the fact that not even Thanos can withstand that type of energy, and his energy feats are superior to Thing's by a wide-margin. Also, it's an energy based feat so it wouldn't even matter in a physical fight.

"Him stopping at Wonder Woman must be a bad joke."

How? Diana is a much more skilled & experienced fighter with the damage output needed to put Thing down, as well as the druability required to tank hits from him.

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Hard stop at Gladiator

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Should stop at 5.

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After researching a bit he can get up to 9 but I have to know what version of supes it is to say who would win

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#59  Edited By Irritator

@the_man_with_questions said:

I'd argue against this, but then I realize that this is Post-Crisis Arthur & not New 52/Rebirth.

> standard post crisis onwards

His best N52 feats involve him somewhat holding his own against N52 top tiers (who are gimped versions of their Post-Crisis selves anyway) and Rebirth version straight up sucks (just like every other Rebirth character). He doesn't have the stats to win or even hold his own against Savage Hulk/Hercules tier opponents like Ben for a prolonged amount of time.

A minute is a few moments.

Not really. 10 seconds is "few moments", not full minute. And frankly, it doesn't really matter for how long he was knocked out for reasons I already stated above.

Hulk was toying with Thing with the intent of making him suffer instead of straight up killing him.

No he wasn't, not according to the very same artist.

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He was clearly pulling his punches

No he wasn't. That and Puppet Master has explicitly ordered Hulk to finish Ben off near the end of the fight and yet Ben wasn't dead 8 minutes later.

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given the fact that Thing was KO-ed by Cho Hulk.

Different fights, different mindsets, different context.

First, after Hickman's Secret Wars Ben (and also Johnny) were separated from Sue and Reed, which led to their powers diminishing over time. The fight against Cho happened after Secret Wars and before FF reunited and their powers came back full strength.

Second, unlike in the fight against IH, there were no stakes in the fight against Cho. His family wasn't in danger, the world wasn't in danger, his life wasn't on the line, etc. There was no reason for him to exert himself fully, no reason to resort to "hidden wells of strength and resolve."

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The whole fight was pretty much pointless and they were both quipping through its whole entirety, neither taking it too seriously.

On the other hand, in the fight against IH, blacking out would mean certain death, which is why Ben was powering through despite the fact that pieces of him were literally falling off (while in the fight against Cho there was no damage whatsoever).

Basically, the fight against Cho is a good example of what Ben can do when he isn't going all out and isn't pressured much. And its outcome doesn't mean that that performance was his limit.

Also, nice respect thread.

Thanks... unless this was sarcasm. If it was, then screw you.

A lot of those showings are incredibly high end, and not consistent.

The "muh inconsistent" excuse falls flat when you use to discredit 36 feats at the same time. And falls even flatter when you consider that there are more feats like that.

Plus something tells me that you're not exactly an expert on what's consistent for Ben Grimm and what's not.

Some of them also lack context,

Because there was no context.

or aren't impressive.

And which ones are these, I wonder? You didn't elaborate on any of your claims and didn't provide any reasoning whatsoever.

A character with a whole 5 apperances,

Which is relevant how?

and no notable durability feats (at least not from what I've seen).

She was going to blow up the planet while standing on said planet, and she wasn't exactly suicidal. You can make certain conclusions about her durability out of this fact.

After several hits of him being completely unphased by Thing's attacks.

Also has something to do with difference in mindsets. At the beginning Ben wasn't taking the fight very seriously (quipping and shit)... but then Colossus decided to suffocate him via trip outside the Blue Area. Stakes got higher, Ben got more serious and hit Colossus with more power.

Similar thing happened when FF fought Graviton in Fantastic Four #322. Ben, assisted by Sharon Ventura (She-Thing) blindsided Graviton and hit him from behind. Graviton wasn't down, then boosted his durability even further (by increasing his density), ragdolled them for a while, then some more fighting happened, and when in the end Ben had the chance to hit him again, he laid him out with one punch.

Also, even Cyclops was able to damage Colossus's helment.

Cyclops has some high end feats way above his normal paygrade. Like when he was damaging WWH's skin, or when his beams were stated to be capable of pulverizing adamantium, or when he was wrecking Apocalypse (which might be a shit feat for Apoc as opposed to being a good feat for Scott, but oh well), or when he one-shot Thor:

The issue is Avengers #111, if you're curious. And yes, after that blast Thor wasn't participating in the fight.
The issue is Avengers #111, if you're curious. And yes, after that blast Thor wasn't participating in the fight.

This feat with Colossonaut is one of these high ends. Consistently, Cyclops' beams are not as impressive. Thing walked straight through his full power beam, Namor tanked a no-visor blast while weakened, She-Thing and Reed Richards tanked blasts from bloodlusted Cyclops, Red Hulk and Dragon Man shrugged off blasts from Cyke going full power, etc.

But that was in a different comic under a different writer anyway. In the same issue with Ben punching off his helmet Red Hulk (someone who already fought Colossonaut, knows his measure and rarely holds back) failed to even dent the thing with 2 or 3 hits.

That's a massive outlier given the fact that not even Thanos can withstand that type of energy, and his energy feats are superior to Thing's by a wide-margin. Also, it's an energy based feat so it wouldn't even matter in a physical fight.

Wrong, as a matter of fact. Thanos' clone (inferior to the real deal) tanked a similar blast without a scratch:

He came back 3 pages later without even a scratch, FYI
He came back 3 pages later without even a scratch, FYI

Thanos was also fine being in an epicenter of a clash with Classic Drax that destroyed a planet. Similarly, weaker characters than Thanos tanked similar attacks. Silver Surfer no sold a blast from Korvac that could incinerate a planet:

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Savage Hulk tanked blasts from Galaxy Master, a confirmed planet buster:

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Oh and btw? Splitting the planet in half requires kinetic energy (or concussive force, or whatever you wanna call it). Tanking it has nothing to do with "energy durability", especially considering most beam attacks in comic that are not explicitly heat based behave like attacks with physical force behind them (aka pulverizing the surroundings and breaking them apart instead of, you know, melting or vaporizing them, or pushing people around).

And that's not mentioning the fact that at this level it doesn't matter if the attack is "energy-based" or not.

How? Diana is a much more skilled & experienced fighter

Maybe she is more experienced (giving her the benefit of the doubt), but I've yet to see any skill feats from her.

with the damage output needed to put Thing down,

Not good enough to beat him before he beats her. She doesn't have pure stats to hang with Savage Hulk/Thor lvl opponents for extended periods of time. And the skill isn't enough to bridge that gap. Ben might not be as skilled as her, but he isn't a dumb brute either. Plus he can take a lot of punishment. He was taking hits from Immortal Hulk for an hour and half, and IH hits waaaay harder than Wonder Woman. On another occasion he tanked 4 hours of beatdown from his own bloodlusted clones before blacking out (briefly), then quickly recovered and spent several more hours fighting them.

as well as the durability required to tank hits from him.

A couple of hits? Sure. A dozen? Maybe. But she'll have to tank hours worth of hits from Ben who isn't holding back as he usually is. A lot of people tougher than Diana were hurt from his hits. Hulk, Thor, Hercules, Surfer, Terrax and other people of that caliber or even higher. And as I said earlier, Ben can go at it for hours. Besides the occasions I already mentioned, he spent several hours brawling with Sasquatch despite the fact that he could barely stand on his feet due to exhaustion even before the fight started; he battled with Impossible Man (who could hurt him at the beginning of the fight and was only getting more dangerous as it went on) for hours and was fine afterwards; he spent an hour running around and tanking sucker punches from Grey Hulk, after he already beat him once, then fought and tore apart Cosmic Hulk, and that was all after he was on the go for several days (he did lose, but only after he almost drowned on top of all that shit).

So yeah. Wonder Woman is far from the biggest obstacle here.