The Strucker kids hold hands and fire at DCEU Superman. What happens?

@rbt: The movies don't make adamantium nearly as indestructible as it should be. Wolverine has been stabbed, shot, etc. multiple times, but he heals through it. In The Last Stand, he fought a mutant in the woods who can detach and throw his bones, and Wolverine got impaled by them. How would he get impaled by bone if adamantium is so indestructible?

1) Her saying that implies she wasn't trying to kill him before.

2) Because she was focusing her power on Apocalypse and not his surroundings...?

@geekryan:

1) Her saying that implies she wasn't trying to kill him before.

How exactly did you come up with that because I used the movie. Phoenix was actively blasting Logan that he had to raise his arms to block wave after wave. You can even see the effort on Jean's face. Then when Logan reaches her, she point blank asks ' you would die for them', that proves she was indeed trying to kill Logan and Logan replies ' no Jean, not for them, for you.'

2) Because she was focusing her power on Apocalypse and not his surroundings...?

What? Focusing her power which by the way is flame based. How is it that a flame based attack is able to disintegrate Apocalypse body but fail to do the same to scrap metal impaling Apocalypse himself. Not to mention she has never shown that kind of precision, her powers are destructive by nature. Not to mention the metals glowed red implying the flame was indeed affecting them

because he has adamantium bones, not skin

Exactly. None of the things you mentioned damaged adamantium. The only thing that has damaged adamantium is adamantium.

@macleen: @rbt:

Those spikes were roughly 6-8 inches long. The ones that he got stabbed with were about twice the length of his fist, which for an average male, is roughly 4 inches. He pulled it straight out, and his grip leaves half the spike shown, which equals to about 4 inches. You're telling me that those spikes went 4 inches into him and only penetrated skin?

Now let's look at this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfEOlFVSYcA

The bullet penetrated his skull. It didn't go all the way through, but it at least dented it, otherwise he would not have been knocked out.

As for Jean trying to kill Logan or not, it's a matter of semantics. Why would the Phoenix threaten Logan by asking "you would die for them?" if she just tried to kill him and it didn't work?

I found this quote on another thread, and I think it explains the situation very well:

"...Jean Grey did not want to kill Wolverine. The Phoenix, a long-repressed part of her mind, was fighting to burst free and emerge to ravage the world, and Jean Grey did not want that. Wanting Wolverine to kill her and save the world, she did enough of a good job fighting herself to spare Wolverine complete destruction, letting him come within range."

As for Apocalypse: are you implying that she was able to disintegrate Apocalypse but not even affect the metal? Apocalypse, who was so durable, that he withstood supersonic speed punches, Cyclops' blast, metal objects impaling him, and easily healed from a sliced throat? If you look at the scene, it wasn't fire impacting him, but waves of force. She wasn't trying to affect the metal because they were holding him in place.

The Gifted seems suspiciously close to Heroes.

I see no evidence of this.

@crushyourenemies: How the hell is being zombified tanking?

@geekryan:

The bullet penetrated his skull. It didn't go all the way through, but it at least dented it, otherwise he would not have been knocked out.

Really? His skull seemed just fine past that scene, and that was a low showing for him. When he face phoenix and got disintegrated his skull didn't have a bullet hole. Unless you think Logan now heals adamantium too

As for Jean trying to kill Logan or not, it's a matter of semantics. Why would the Phoenix threaten Logan by asking "you would die for them?" if she just tried to kill him and it didn't work?

She wasn't threatening Logan, she was trying to kill him but failed. After Logan reached her is when she asks him, meaning she was trying to kill him. She did try to kill him but failed due to adamatium.

I found this quote on another thread, and I think it explains the situation very well:

"...Jean Grey did not want to kill Wolverine. The Phoenix, a long-repressed part of her mind, was fighting to burst free and emerge to ravage the world, and Jean Grey did not want that. Wanting Wolverine to kill her and save the world, she did enough of a good job fighting herself to spare Wolverine complete destruction, letting him come within range."

So you just picked a quote from another thread and expect me to just accept . And it seems like you quoted someone who doesn't even know what they are talking about. The phoenix wasn't fighting to burst free, it was taking over Jean's mind on a whim ( she had no choice). She wanted Logan to kill her AFTER she tried to kill him, She wasn't letting him come within range at all Logan powered through his own sheer will.

As for Apocalypse: are you implying that she was able to disintegrate Apocalypse but not even affect the metal? Apocalypse, who was so durable, that he withstood supersonic speed punches, Cyclops' blast, metal objects impaling him, and easily healed from a sliced throat? If you look at the scene, it wasn't fire impacting him, but waves of force. She wasn't trying to affect the metal because they were holding him in place.

I'm not implying, it's whats on screen look it for yourself. What does Apocalypse tanking supersonic punches have to do with anything,or Cyclop's blast or metal objects impaling him?

What evidence do you have that she wasn't trying to affect metal?

I think a lot of people are being dishonest when it comes to comparing the two. adamantium has been stated time and time again to be indestructible up to this point and there is nothing superman has taken that adamantium hasnt or couldnt also. even if we give superman the benefit of the doubt and say he's more durable than adamantium, that doesnt also mean he's impervious to physical harm because that has never been the case. if it doesnt completely punch a hole in him, it would definitely be able to feel it and far lesser impacts have been able to cause him pain. I think this would need further evaluation

Maybe you should get your eyes checked then. He looks like a zombie after the blast. He doesn't move a single muscle until after the sunlight hits him. Clearly he was nearly killed.

Couldn't get past his skeleton? She didn't even make it to his skeleton on most of his torso. I don't think there was a single time she even disintegrated all of the skin on his torso. To me, and this is just an opinion, she wasn't trying as hard to kill him because part of her recognized him and didn't want to kill him. Similar to how the Dark Phoenix fight with Xavier went in the comics. Jean was holding it back some to help him try to fight it. Again, just an opinion but the fact that while she had zero difficulty disintegrating anyone or anything else, but couldn't even disentegrate all the skin on his body, then when he got close enough told him to kill her, seems to fit that opinion.

@macleen: yeah, okay, I'm done arguing with you. You literally provide nothing but your own opinion. At least I provided videos, pictures, etc. You know, valid arguments that are backed up. We'll agree to disagree.

yea. A weakened Superman that ate two kryptonite bullets before hand. yeah he tanked it.

You obviously don't know what tanking something is. Being nearly killed by it isn't tanking it. Being hit by it and being unharmed is tanking it. Being hit by it and having minor injuries is tanking it. Having it nearly kill you is so far from tanking it it isn't even funny.

sure I can understand your lack of argument. Watch Origins, wolverine adamantium experiment scene, He was shot right on the face and shrugged, you're saying a bullet penetrated his skull and I told you past that scene there is no physical evidence the adamatium did infact get penetrated. Another evidence in in the movie Logan, his clone was shot right in the head with an adamatium bullet and you saw what happened. Regular bullets have never done that.

Why would I agree to a false statement.

what's the point of the argument, the duo don't generate radiation

Some light, some hair starting moving around, a shot is fired, Superman moves aside, light dies down and he gives them a spanking.

@geekryan: You know even if that spike was 100 feet long, the spike would not have touched his bones with that thiness and in that position. This is because the only bones in the stomach area (where he was pierced) is the spine, which is going to be at the middle of his stomach but as we see from your pic, he was hit at the left and right sides of his stomach. So basically, the soike onky cut his skin, muscles and some organs, no bone.

You can see a picture of the human skeleton here

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNS3IYYmP0K1vMA59cHYAR_x0hVL2_8oMCkPGjEQrc5CUQqXw9KLbtCGt8

And Logan was hit below the ribs.

So tanking molecular level blasts isn't impressive? Ffs DCEU fans are a cancer

Superman nearly died to a nuke, he's shown no durability to suggest he could resist molecular manipulation and was nearly killed by a nuke

Not sure what that has to do with anything. There is no evidence whatsoever that radiation had anything to do with nearly killing Superman. It is just a fan theory.

@plotweapon16255: and? Any metal heats up when projected with heat, I don't see your point

OK then so the radiation is the cause of his near death? Where's your source? Because your just making stuff up because they didn't say that at al

Not to mention superman has shown to survive in space and also gains his energy from the sun both of which are radiation

Again nukes don't cause molecular level destruction please stop spreading Misinformation and talking about stuff you know nothing about, you know what glassing is right? Or tirinite? Because if it was molecular level destrouction it wouldn't leave behind materials whereas nukes produce large amounts of tirinite and can even turn humans to carbon whereas Jean was literally turning all matter into nothing which Nukes can't achieve let alone one in space

Lastly Nukes in space are laughably weaker

They emit radiation ?

YES ? Superman KO for 10 seconds.

NO ? Tanks.

Yes, radiation is the cause of his near death experience.

Source ? Logic maybe ? Why would a physical force make him look like mummy ? Is that even possible ? Nothing happened to him, no bleed, no scar etc. No physical evidence.

His cells absorbs Radiation, like Jor-El said to him in MOS. He was referring to sun "Your cells drunk its radiation".

Doomsday's Superior Heat Vision didn't hurt him at all, what is warhead explosion suppose to do to him ? Nothing ...

Yeah, it's pretty comparable going by what we have seen heat vision do.

@arqe: yes because radiation turns someone into a mummy

Seriously debating against DCEU characters is just pointless, the fans make up head cannon and disregard anything else and just make p feats

Hmm lets see, radiation causes cancer. And what cancer does to a living being ? Lets look at cancer patients, oh wait almost same thing that happened to Superman at slower rates ? What a coincidence.

When did they damage adamantium? The last I saw they held their hands but never fully unleashed the power, they stopped before they could.

They didn't fully unleash their power, but when the camera showed the wall there was a pretty sizable burnt hole in it.

If you want people to believe your fan theory you are going to have to prove it either on screen of from the directors own mouth. Just saying that he was nearly killed by the radiation when that has never shown to have any effect on him before is not enough.

Supes dies.

Supes after the blast: "Ha Ha Ha ..... Do you bleed?"

He dead bruh

Lets see, Superman is in 3 movies. Never got hurt apart from Nuclear Explosion to the face, Kryptonian ship with kryptonian atmosphere and Krypronite.

Fought with other Kryptonians, nothing happened, got hit by Doomsday's heat vision nothing happened, got thrown around by Doomsday nothing happened. he faced a New God yet toyed with him.

So heat doesn't work on him which almost the same or even hotter than Nuclear bomb.

We can safely say blunt, physical force doesn't work on him.

So what is left inside of a Nuclear bomb ? Yes, radiation. Which is said by his biological father that "his cells absorbs radiation".

So now are going to ignore all of this and act like a mentally challenged ape and say "they didn't say all radiation so we don't know which radiation effects him?"

Yeah sure, why not.

Logan was KO'd by a bullet. Clark skin>>>>>>Adamantium

Longan's ability to stay conscious through blunt force=/= adamantium's durability.

His skull wasn't even damaged.

@rr79: it's common sense, what do you think is contained in a nuclear explosion?

there was a giant hole in his skull. LOL

And absolutely none of that shows any kind of evidence that it was the radiation that nearly killed him. For one, we absolutely cannot say that "blunt, physical force doesn't work on him." He was KOed by much less than the force of a nuclear explosion. What kind of ridiculous no limits fallacy crap is that when he was already hurt by physical force many times?

Dies. Lol at some of the mental gymnastics.

This has already been answered in a post before you asked this. And no, it absolutely is not common sense. It's a fan theory with nothing to back it up.

He gets a hole through him and dies

Adamantium >>>> Doomsday spikes

If anything, you realize he was pierced due to his cells decaying from Kryptonite exposure, right?

Oh please, if that were the case Doomsday would have never even hurt him before he picked up the Kryptonite spear.