The Son vs Team Valkorian

This is The Son as he appears in Star Wars: The Clone Wars series, taking on some of the Old Republic's finest Force users.

The team consists of Emperor Valkorian, Arcann, Darth Marr, the Outlander/Hero of Tython, and Revan (Shadow of Revan).

All are quipped with their standard gear, all abilities are allowed, and the fight is tot he death. Perfect teamwork for Team Valkorian. The fight takes place in Valkorian's throne room/ship on Zakuul and the fight is to the death.

Can the team pull off the win against the Son?

The team might actually be able to pull this off. Valkorion is pretty much equal to Sidious (whom I think could last for a time against the Son.) While Valkorion and Revan distract the Son, HoT and Marr could attack from behind; and we've seen lightsabers kill Ones before. So I think the team MIGHT win, but it's going to be extremely difficult.

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What are the Son's feats? Didn't the Son and the Daughter both get solo'd by pre-peak Anakin?

Are we going to make the Son "real" for this matchup? Dave Filoni confirmed the Mortis arc was one big shared force vision, "Degobah" experience for the Jedi Heroes.. fully metaphorical and symbolic.

I'd say if the Son were real though, and possessed the powers he portrayed on Mortis, he would handle the team with relative ease.

Son wins. He's on a different level.

Five powerful force users vs the embodiment of the Dark Side.

The Son stomps.

That only works under the assumption that the HoT, Marr or even Revan are factors in this fight - which they aren't, at all. With unreserved expenditure of his powers, the Son would annihilate them immediately and Valkorion would be overwhelmed in short order - the Son's manner of apotheosis simply puts him outside the standard Force-user hierarchy.

And you're wrong about lightsabers killing the Ones. That only happened once the Son and Father were stripped of their powers when the Father impaled himself with the Dagger of Mortis. The TOR team here doesn't have access to the Dagger, so they can't kill the Son. Not that they'd actually get to use their lightsabers - the Son can deactivate them or destroy them at will and they'd never get close enough to use them anyway. The first couple of Force attacks in the fight will leave nobody except the Son and Valkorion standing, and Valkorion is unquestionably outclassed against the personification of the Dark Side itself.

Valkorion is the only one who could contend but still loses 10/10. All others are fodder that the Son stomps.

@nfactor1995: Could you tag me in the future?

@shootingnova: I forgot that the Son and Father had lost their powers at that point, yeah that puts a hold in the argument I presented. I agree with you then, without the dagger Team doesn't win.

The Son gets curb stomped like usual.

The Ones of Mortis being put in match ups is honestly a stupid idea. I know people love to wank their favorite powerhouse as being God like and Revan and Valkorian wank being at an all time high but there is still no argument that can be made for them. The Ones are the gods of the Force, they can't die outside of special circumstances in the Mortis ark or the dagger of Mortis. They are stated as being the most powerful Force wielders in existence with the capacity of destroying the entire galaxy. The ones are made to be unbeatable

@banthabot: Except they, at no point, hold true to that whole idea about them. The Mortis arc is riddled with story-breaking plot holes. None of the Ones in the episodes displayed anything even remotely resembling the kind of power they're supposed to embody. And the fact they can die from Aging just tells how much of their 'Legend' is nothing but batha poodoo.

Just using the information from the Episodes in the TCW series, know what they can do? Jack & Nothing. Their feats and abilities are only superior to sub-par Force Users and get jacked up by a "Force in Balance" Anakin.

@reikai: well just using the information from movies and TV series the Ones still completely wreck anyone else, even without the accolade of them being more powerful than any Jedi have ever seen (which is also information provided in the episode).

Use information from SW.com and they're on a level beyond anyone in the Disney continuity since they control the balance of the Force itself.

Use information from the EU and they're on an entirely different level of power from any Jedi or Sith with weaker individuals like Taalon and weakened Abeloth demonstrating the kind of power they can bring to bare and other insane force feats like sharing their power with millions of beings at once.

Use information from Leeland Chee and the Father is more powerful than any other Force user in his prime.

You can selectively ignore specific sources all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the Ones would cream any other Force user. I really don't see why you're so stubborn about this tbh

@emperordmb: They control nothing. Their creation and loss affected nothing. Character statements are not evidence. The TV series only notes them existing for the last thousand years. Rebels doesn't even mention them. The Movies don't mention them. They don't exist in the Disney canon outside those 3 episodes. They have no feats outside those episodes.

To sum up everything about them, from their creation to their story, there is but one word that clearly summarizes everything about them;

Pointless

This isn't even a joke. Outside of Abeloth showing up in the now defunct EU, the existence of the rest is completely pointless. They don't affect any of the continuing or existing story whatsoever. You can remove them entirely and nothing would change. You can switch them out with three random dead Jedi/Sith and nothing would change.

Peoples entire arguments for them revolve around their supposed status and nothing else. The proclamation of which is meaningless. Their actual displays are abysmal. Their feats are virtually non-existent, and what they did show in the episodes are things even mid-tier Force users can do.

And you should pay attention more. The Son is relegated to only his appearance in TCW. Meaning that is all you have to go off of. Even if you wanted to include the EU, it doesn't change anything. Because the only time he is actually seen doing anything is in TCW, and everything else in the Source Books is literally nothing more than Myth and Legend being told without any degree of credibility.

Far as it stands, anyone on the TOR team completely annihilates the Son in combat.

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extremely amusing

Holy crap...

Isn't this fight similar to saying.. Dagobah Vader vs etc. or Dark Yoda vs. etc.? I think the point of the Ones or Force Weilders is that they represent the force. If they are stated to be fully symbolic and metaphorical in existence, then the Son leaving Mortis with Anakin really only meant the Dark side was leaving with Anakin and proceed to wreak havoc throughout the galaxy through Anakin. Just something I'd like other people's thoughts on..

Having said that, a fight taking place within the realm of Mortis though, would be no contest. Son can just deactivate their sabers.. Though he wouldn't need to. He could turn them against each other, though he wouldn't need to. He could obliterate them with his lighting, though he wouldn't need to. He could just simply win. Within their realm, they exist above any other force user.

BUMP

perhaps universal?

@nfactor1995: I mean Anakin was able to controll them both with the force at tge same time, and Emeperor Valkorion (also known as Darth Vitiate) is pretty much one the strongest Siths of all time, I mean the guy absorbed the power of 8000 Siths in one ritual, so he is pretty much as strong as 8000 Siths at once, his connection to the force was so strong that he was able to stransfer his consciousness into other bodys. He was able to stay alive for over 1300 years because of that.

@nicolaileimer123: Which is nice, but Anakin only controlled him due to the Chosen One prophecy. That instance was very much a metaphor, not a display of Anakin's true power, as Anakin got one-shotted by the Son three times throughout the Mortis arc.

And as for what Vitiate did, his ritual didn't give him the power of 8000 Sith Lords; while it did increase his power, it primarily was used to prolongue his life to about a thousand or so years; which he achieved.

The Son stomps.

Hrrrr Durrrr Valkorion can only be killed byt the keel bufuer thr Dregan ov Zakulelu thang so he solis

The Son one-shots.

@wollfmyth209: Still I think all together can take them down.

@nicolaileimer123: Doubtful. He's too powerful for them to even touch.

Just a reminder that this was actually said by your idol @in-sidiousvader

@fairtrade: Yes, 28 months ago. Is there any reason you're out to antagonize people so?

@fairtrade:

"28 months ago", Az believed Tenebrous could stomp Vader. He now believes Vader can one-shot RotS Sidious.

It's amusing, however, that you're trying to use outdated opinions to try and annoy people.

@azronger: Sheevites can't take banter now? Yes I'm just out to antagonize people on old threads... I simply found it amusing you held these beliefs once upon a time.

Interesting.

@dark-sith123: You don't have anything better to do than parrot your master? He doesn't need your defence.

@fairtrade: Except it's not banter. It's just a completely random attempt to provoke a reaction out of someone who hasn't interacted with you in this thread at all. Despite your sarcasm, antagonizing people is the only thing you have done in this old thread thus far.

@azronger: It's not like you and your ilk don't do this in threads with TOR character all the time right?

@fairtrade:

You've got nothing better to do than trying to irk people but failing miserably?

@dark-sith123: What are you even doing here lol? No one is trying anything with you.

@fairtrade:

Calling you out on your BS. But you're right, I shouldn't do anything since some people's only purpose on these boards is to troll and annoy people, especially those who they don't like and have crushed them.

@dark-sith123: You've crushed me so hard dark-sith, that I've been forced to do nothing but troll. You're right.

@wollfmyth209: I don't think So, I mean Darth Revan, Vitiate and maar are a couple of the strongest siths that ever existet plus the outlander is extremly powerful too.

The hypocrisy here is pretty strong. Az and his followers take a big shit on Valkorion and TOR in literally every thread they can find, but a little comment about an opinion Az used to have is going too far?

Lol

The butthurt is strong in this one

Gold

@dark-sith123: It kinda is.

The Sheevite cries out in pain as he strikes you.

@hittheassasin: False equivalency. Attacking a character =/= attacking a person.

@azronger: Of course it's not an exact equivalence, it was never meant to be. Regardless, I would hardly count this as an "attack" upon your person and, quite frankly, your reaction to this while continuing to make jabs at Valk and his "fans" seemed a bit hypocritical to me.

@nicolaileimer123: That's nice, but hardly enough to take down someone who could ruin a universe.