The Snake Family vs The Bat Family

ROUND 1 - Core.

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ROUND 2 - Secondary.

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• Morals are ON
• New 52 in round 1
• Pre 52 in round 2
• Standard gear
• Knowledge
• Both battles will occur in the city streets

No one-shot Jason :/

Batfamily both rounds.

batfamily both rounds FTW

Umm, how the hell does Raiden not solo stomp in Round 2??? Unless the OP is planning on holding him back. Like no ridiculous over the top feats he has in Revengeance????

I'm ignoring Raiden for round 2.

MG team.

Because in round 2 you have people like Batman Beyond, who for standard gear, has a batsuit, that can tank pretty much everything...Cassandra Cain, who's faster than a bullet, and can read Body-Language, which allows her to know what her opponents will do long before, they actually do anything...Azrael, who besides his gear + skills, is a 10 toner...and Steph, who besides being trained by both Batman and Cassandra Cain, received a considerable upgrade, from Spoiler to Batgirl...i think those, are some pretty good reasons why Raiden does not solo stomp in Round 2.

Bat-Family on both rounds... despite my being a fanatic on Metal Gear - I'm going with Bat-Family, bias aside.

- TAS

Batfamily take it

Didn't Raiden hold back a submarine?

Lmao!...that's above street-level, IMO!...that's a feat Wonder Woman would preform...anyyway, does he have a way to do anything to Terry?...cause, his batsuit has tanked hits from Superman...also, how is he going to tagg Cassie?...and what's stopping a serious Azrael from K.O'ing him with one punch?

I always saw Metal Gear characters as being around Captain America in stats, or slightly below...which means "Peak-human".

I don't know much about this Raiden.

The only Raiden I know is the one from MGR.

I don't either...a friend of mine, had many metal gear games, and some time ago, i used to play some for fun, but i was never a big fan, though the game is cool...Prince Of Persia, and Devil May Cry, are more my sort of thing...that's why i'm surprised to hear that Raiden can actually hold back a submarine...i didn't knew that some metal gear characters had that level of physical strengh...anyway, i still don't see what any of them would be able to do to Terry...nor do i see how they would tagg Cassie...and i'm pretty sure that Azrael is much stronger than them, minus that version of Raiden.

I guess Bat family in both rounds

Snake Family wins round one pretty easy.

Boss or Solid can match Batman based on their Meta Human feat. Solidus would have his super suit granting him Bullet time speed and super strength, as well the doc ock tentacles. Liquid is the only featless one here, and he is suppose to be as physical close to Snake.

Meanwhile Catwoman, and Batgirl (Barbra) are nowhere in the league of Damien, Nightwing, or Batman. they get taken out early probably by Solidus alone.

Dodges easy a shot Grenade and its blast with his fast movements.

Here he blitzes Olga, and moves faster than Raiden or Olga can see when blasting in. He also takes down 3 Rays with his super amped gun and suit stats.

Here he shows bullet timing with swords against a Heavy Machine gun of all things, and shows the missiles energy attacks of the suit.

Did people forget how tough Solidus is?

Batfamily...unless raiden solos

Batfamily...unless raiden solos

@bat_girl_cc: Yeah Raiden is not street level and he has a special sword, so he could slice through any of these characters like a hot knife through butter.

Batfamily both rounds if we take away Raiden though, who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Raiden held back a submarine, tossed a 600+ ton Metal Gear around like a ragdoll, runs at supersonic speeds, cuts missles in half missles, and deflects tank gatling fire while looking in a different direction.

His sword is capable of easily slicing through tanks, and the much more durable Metal Gear REX

R1: Bat Family

R2: Snake Family

Look at the pictures. This is human Raiden.

I'm curious to hear some reasoning on why everyone is going with the Bat Family. IMO Damian and Steph are pretty big weak links, and Catwoman isn't up to snuff with the big boys either. Batman and Nightwing are one thing, but I don't see either of those three holding their own against any of the Snakes for more than a couple minutes (this is why I gave the Bat Family five fighters against four in round 1, to even things out)

In round 2, EVA and Meryl are slight weak links, but I'd argue either of them are still above Stephanie. Raiden can lock swords with Azrael for sure, and Ocelot and Boss both have advantages over Cassandra and Terry. With their numbers advantage, I feel like team Snake has a good shot at winning.

Lol, the Bat family gets curbstomped R1. The only character that can stand his ground against the MGS is Batman..everyone else gets destroyed in a 1v1 encounter.

R2 is closer..but Cain and Azrael can't carry their team. Terry is overrated.

Nick is Metal Gear nut hugging again :D

Really now? That's new -- you don't think Dick stands a chance against any of the Snakes at all? The Bat Family also has a numbers advantage which could turn the tides.

In round 2 I would actually think Terry to be stronger than Azrael, but that's just me.

Always.

I'll make this post in every thread where i see it: there is no New 52 "version" of Batman. His continuity is 99% intact. He is the same character. It's like saying Bendis version of Daredevil.

I disagree. The New 52 is a new universe, we know that many events pre 52 also occurred in this universe, but at the same time, there are enough differences that we can't take pre 52 feats at anything more than face value. For example, the fact that Mr. Freeze is almost a totally different character would obviously have some impacts on how his battles with Batman went down. 99% intact is a big exaggeration, everything has been condensed into 5 years so obviously some things are different or taken out.

@nickzambuto: I guess he "stands a chance" in the sense that he could give MAYBE Liquid a good fight. But Solid, Big Boss, and Solidus would beat him quite handily.

Terry lacks the skills, physical stats, and experience the others have. His suit makes him the most durable to blunt force, but since most of team 2 uses either guns or swords that really shouldn't matter.

@nickzambuto: It happened, just crammed into five years. 99% isn't an exaggeration at all. Some things are different sure, most it the same. Characters like Batman and Hal Jordan had very few changes to their continuity. New 52 versions is just a way for people to nerf the characters.

Even though Liquid by far has the least amount of feats, he's the closest one to Solid Snake's level and might even be above Big Boss, so just by powerscaling, Solidus is probably the weak link of round 1 (even with his suit, there's no way he could defeat either of his brothers or father)

@monsterstomp: @bat_girl_cc: @lukehero: @jmarshmallow: As nickzambuto mentioned this is human Raiden before becoming a cyborg. He was only peak human.

It's a new continuity, the fact that there are ANY changes at all proves that, and means we can't trust any feats from pre 52 because who knows exactly how things went down. The basic storyline is the same, but how can we know if that specific instant in Batman #568 where he dodged a bullet happened the same way in both continuities?

@nickzambuto: Because the current writer of Batman has said everything happened unless directly contradicted? Like I said, it is just a way for people to nerd Batman.

Well actually I am not sure if Snyder agrees with what DC said. What DC said was anything that happened in a bat book or green lantern book is still in continuity. I personally don't think there any different but if we are really splitting hairs than anything that happened in say a justice league, event, or guest appearance for batman (unless that guest showing is green lantern) is technically non canon in the new 52.

EDIT: Regardless these things are up to the OP with what they want to limit.

@drago666: The Justice League series with Darkseid occurs like five years in the past. But you're right, for this fight, only New 52 like the OP stipulated. But 99% of Batman's continuity is canon.

On another note its great to see stephanie brown in a battle forum. I haven't read as much as I like to with her but I would like to learn more.

Its not. The source which says batmans continuity wasn't heavily affected says bat books and green lantern books are the same. So it would be more like 75% of the continuity is the same. All though I personally wouldn't mind using all of his previous feats since its not like he got a power upgrade but that could just be me.

@drago666: I use all his previous feats in discussion. And since the Justice League encounter with Darkseid happened in the past, a lot of his Justice League stuff could be assumed to have happened. And if all the bat books are unaffected, like it should be, then most of his continuity is intact. But like you said, we're splitting hairs here.

Thing is your assuming technically. I personally don't mind the use of those feats but well yea....

@drago666: Why should we assume they are out of continuity?

Because there is no evidence they are still in continuity, it would make little sense if they were, and DC has never said these showings were unaffected from the reboot. Only the showings in bat books and green lantern books.

@drago666: There is no evidence they were changed, they easily could have happened in the timeline, and there is no reason to believe they didn't happen. But arguing continuity is an exercise in futility, I just use all the feats because the character hasn't changed, so why couldn't he have performed all those feats?

The entire universe was rebooted and DC never specified those showings were unchanged but you want to assume they weren't anyways? That needs backing to it. I can agree with the latter half.

@drago666: :)

@nickzambuto: I would agree with Liquid being the closest to Snake's level, but it's just his lack of feats that makes debating for him difficult. Regardless, Dick would lose to him and Solidus.