The Rise of Skywalker Kylo Ren vs Old Republic Satele Shan

Satele stomps

NOTICE: Only on-screen feats for Satele (games/tv)

@supermod111: why?

Legends > Canon in all things power and skill related

@grinningf0x: Satele is limited to her video game feats though

Satele

@supermod111: @grinningf0x: @necromancer76: who would be a better match for her? In canon, movie Star Wars characters

Satele, better showings in martial combat and is using a weapon that Kylo is gonna be unfamiliar with. Limiting to just her game feats doesn't really hamper her, some of her best feats come from it.

@zr2011: legit no one in my opinion

@zr2011: Someone who actually trained with the Jedi.

I feel she could compete with a good number of PT era Jedi Council members

@wolfrazer: @necromancer76: @grinningf0x: would Vader, sidious, Dooku, or obi wan from only the movies/clone wars be a good fight?

@zr2011: I personally don't think so, he's far more skilled with a saber, has greater raw Force power, and can apply said Force power more effectively

Probably not as they are all superior.

The thing with Kylo is, he has more raw power given the one feat he displays as Ben in Rise of Kylo Ren with the statues. That said though, raw power isn't everything, Vader could most likely replicate that showing given his Canon feats anyway.

What Kylo's real issue is, he hasn't gone up against any real Jedi or Sith. The best he's done fought are some Jedi Padawans, each of which aren't the same in power and some are weaker, the Knights of Ren who haven't done anything honestly, Snoke's Preatorian Guards(while amped with the Force Dyad with Rey)...and Rey. None of these people have anywhere the experience of the former mentioned people in Vader, Sidious, Dooku or Obi-Wan.

Yeah I get it, Rey has that raw power and knowledge from Kylo, yada yada. (Which doesn't really help him, considering then all he's really doing is fighting against what he knows.)

The thing is, if raw power was the only thing that really mattered...then Anakin should have just steamrolled pretty much everyone regardless, but he didn't, he was challenged, he was beaten and so on.

^^

Satele stomps better swordmanship and forcé feats.

Lol whoever thinks Kylo wins is basically putting him on Malgus' level.

Kylo gets sliced to ribbons.

@zr2011: A good fight would be something like Satele vs Darth Maul.