@wollfmyth209: lol you do know that pre retcon beyonder was floored by the phoenix force and stated he had never felt anything like it in the very same story line he erased all celestials with a wave of his hand right.
lol the true phoenix force is multiversal phoenix force wins
@somayareece: yes even the energy bird you see flying around the universe is just a fraction of the true phoenix's power the Rachael summers that stalemated galactus was just a fraction of a fraction of what the true phoenix force could do.
this was hinted at at the end of the dark phoenix saga and in grant Morrison's all new x-men
@chad_duby: that was after she found out he had done that and he took the power back. for your next question phoenix likes different avatars better it loves jean and see her as a kindred spirit it didnt care for than it just wanted a host thats why it left him mid fight had it been jean instead of thane should have stepped on thanos.
and as for the other 2 they were outliers to push characters marvel could use in there movies at the time thats also why the avengers won in avx they were at war so they jobbed out characters fox had the rights too now that is over expect that to not be the case anymore odin is a bug to even the universal version of phoenix
@destinyman75: i would disagree but it's hard too because they have so few appearances most of there feats are implied i don't think there is enough there to say they would beat her but they have feats that put them on the same scale but they are outliers so much more powerful than the other celestials to the point that that i almost don't count them among the others but phoenix stomps the one above all and any of them beneath him lol
@comic_book_fan: Ok. Phoenix didn’t leave Thane mid fight but the sisters of eternity sent it away. I don’t think Jean is going to do better than Thane, considering she had more trouble controlling it than him.
This sounds like Phoenix has one high end feat and the rest were really bad. So based on this, Phoenix should be consistently around Odin level. Why do you think Odin is a bug to universal Phoenix? King Thor fought on par with old man Phoenix in the future and Odin is ranked around that level.
@chad_duby: he seemed to have better control over it because he didn't resist it's darker emotions but it never granted him the kind of power it did jean thanos put up a fight any other phoenix avatar was considered galactus level confirmed the phoenix force it's self even the universal one is restricted by a host only jean can handle it because they have pretty much bonded on a different level post the scan the phoenix force states it didn't like thane or was getting bored with the conflict anyway and besides that thanos was amped by the power of thousands of gods when he fought thane and was still losing until the phoenix left and again this is the full phoenix force not an avatar it is literally thousands of times more powerful than any avatar
@comic_book_fan: Thane turned to be more aggressive after that. I am pretty sure he was exposed to its dark emotion but he was a better host. How do you know it never granted such power to Thane? When was any other Phoenix’s host considered Galactus level!? Even if it was, then it is clearly an unreliable statement and the write who wrote it must have no idea who Galactus is. I am sorry, but if I didn’t misinterpret your post, you said even a universal Phoenix can only be handled by Jane because they are bonded on a different level, right? You would be wrong by that, Many people did that, even Old man Wolverine. You want me to post a scan where it states that Phoenix didn’t like Thane and got bored because of the conflict?? I don’t know where I could find that.
@comic_book_fan: That is the era where Thor could fight Galactus fairly. Consistently, Phoenix is Odin level. But it is fine if you will say Phoenix is equal to Galactus because their power fluctuate. But Lt level!? That is stronger than IG Thanos, there is no proof Phoenix would be that strong other than that Beyonder outlier. I will post the scans you asked me.
@chad_duby: there was never an era where thor could fight galactus consistently this is the era where galactus beat tyrant a guy who layed the smackdown on thanos and all the heralds and destroyed several galaxies and shook the entire universe with his fights against tyrant and the one who ate hyperstorm lol this was that era galactus thor is a bug to him and odin is like a small dog to him lol
@comic_book_fan: He destroyed galaxies in statements. Comparing to from 2010 to the present, Galactus was fighting two beings who will end the multiverse when they collide via statement. And Thor did hurt Galactus in classic days.
And this is a scan before Thanos threw boulder at him. I failed to upload it at the first time.
There are 3 tiers of Celestials. Low, mid and high tier.
Low Tier - The types that fought Galactus that required fusing together to best him. These Celestials are unnamed and probably high-multi galaxy level destruction capable. Phoenix Force should handle these Celestials without a problem.
Midtier - Galactus level beings. Odds are great that these Celestials and the Phoenix Force are on par. They are probably capable of at least 1 to multi-universal destruction capable feats.
High Tier - Your Taimut, Scathan and One Above All, beings with more power than the entire Marvel multiverse that the Phoenix Force stands no chance against.
I respect your view. I don't agree with it though. I don't think Phoenix can handle beings like Beyonder or Protege. Scathan made them both look like pansies. And Odds are great that Taimut after his ascension was on the Fulcrum's level.
On paper, the Phoenix should be able to beat the Celestials, even as a group. However, on paper that probably results in the entire galaxy/universe the battle is happening in being destroyed.
The only thing that makes sense in the inconsistency of Phoneix Hosts is that the Phoenix actively putting limiters on its hosts so that they can only access certain levels of the Phoenix's power. Which means it's a total "depends" on the situation, the host, and whether the Phoenix has an actual dog in the fight or is going to bugger off if the host loses.
Is this the Pheonix force that just plays around with fractions of it's powers while trying to satisfy it needs that is human interaction, I.E pheonix force in character?
Is this the entirety of the pheonix force utilizing all of it's multiversal energy? Then Pheonix force in a murder stomp.
Battles with the entity itself is just veru hard to do, people should stick to doing battles with different host instead of the entity as there is no real physical entity that is the pheonix force, the one you see on panel is just the entity taking physical form with limited amount of it's energy. The "real" pheonix force is just all energy in all different planes of existence and realities in all of the multiverse, so people should avoid doing battles with the actual entity
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