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#101 Posted by Undre (3791 posts) - - Show Bio

@rxdking: lol what feats cutting a hill in half. Ichigo vaped hills while suppressing himself. Blood lusted he would just shiit all over melidoas and escanor

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#102 Posted by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

That moment when you lowball a character with a hill-mountain busting shockwave from an uninterested sword parry to just “mountain level”

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#103 Posted by Rxdking (1074 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

@rxdking: lol what feats cutting a hill in half. Ichigo vaped hills while suppressing himself. Blood lusted he would just shiit all over melidoas and escanor

Lol what a bad debater we have over here,

Literally taking the first feat shown in the show from 7DS and comparing it to EOS anime ichigo

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#104 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18091 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: Dangai Ichigo is above mountain level. The shockwaves of his casual sword strikes are hill level, meaning the actual strikes are likely mountain level, and he can obviously spam his slashes. He also blocked Aizen's mountain meteor with his bare arm and then waved away energy build up from all 4 of Aizen's wings. However, I agree The One Escanor is stronger.

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#105 Posted by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

Escanor was tanking mountain level piercing attacks since his first appearance, and the One is multitudes times stronger than morning Escanor.

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#106 Posted by FaradaySloth (10087 posts) - - Show Bio

@rxdking: What feats does AM Meliodas has that's on Ichigo's and Aizen's level?

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#107 Posted by FlashingSabre (3864 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo gets one-shot. Aizen can survive via regen long enough for Escanor to weaken enough for Aizen to overpower him.

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#108 Edited by Undre (3791 posts) - - Show Bio

The one escanor is gonna becomes the 2 escanor when ichigo splits him in half

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#109 Posted by ovy7 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

Why are people still using the "hill" feat, it isn't the max output of Dangai Ichigo and it isn't even his best feat. Dangai Ichigo casually destroyed the Ultra Fragor with one swing

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Why is this impressive? Because a 50% VL Ichigo (so a much, much weaker version of Ichigo), contained and no-sold the Lanza del Relampago exploding in his palm

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Yet just one Fragor from Monster Aizen burned Dangai Ichigo's hand (coincidentally, the same hand that no-sold the Lanza)

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All of this means that a Fragor is way, way more powerful than Lanza, so even if you lowball Lanza to mountain lvl AP, a Fragor should easily be multi-mountain lvl in AP, and Dangai Ichigo destroyed the Ultra Fragor, which is 6 Fragors combined, with just 1 swing . . . 1 freaking casual swing, no techniques or Getsuga amped swing, just 1 casual swing.

I'm not sure what comes after multi-mountain, mountain range lvl or island lvl, but Dangai Ichigo's casual sword swings are there.

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#110 Posted by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

How is the one more powerful than dangai?

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#111 Posted by Wanderez (1959 posts) - - Show Bio

@ovy7:

Multi-mountain is followed by island... and he's confortably sitting there with casual swings.

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#112 Posted by Rxdking (1074 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth:

Are you keeping up with 7DS?

Mel has so many feats, but recent 30~ chapters he's not here. Wait 4~ chapters till he obtains all the commandments + his emotions from purgatory + the blessings.

As for feats, do you want DC, Speed, Physicals, his immortality and regen?

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#113 Posted by FaradaySloth (10087 posts) - - Show Bio

@rxdking said:

@faradaysloth:

Are you keeping up with 7DS?

Yes, for a while now.

Mel has so many feats

Like what?

As for feats, do you want DC, Speed, Physicals, his immortality and regen?

All of them...

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#115 Posted by Azureus (2714 posts) - - Show Bio

@ovy7 said:

Why are people still using the "hill" feat, it isn't the max output of Dangai Ichigo and it isn't even his best feat. Dangai Ichigo casually destroyed the Ultra Fragor with one swing

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Why is this impressive? Because a 50% VL Ichigo (so a much, much weaker version of Ichigo), contained and no-sold the Lanza del Relampago exploding in his palm

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Yet just one Fragor from Monster Aizen burned Dangai Ichigo's hand (coincidentally, the same hand that no-sold the Lanza)

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All of this means that a Fragor is way, way more powerful than Lanza, so even if you lowball Lanza to mountain lvl AP, a Fragor should easily be multi-mountain lvl in AP, and Dangai Ichigo destroyed the Ultra Fragor, which is 6 Fragors combined, with just 1 swing . . . 1 freaking casual swing, no techniques or Getsuga amped swing, just 1 casual swing.

I'm not sure what comes after multi-mountain, mountain range lvl or island lvl, but Dangai Ichigo's casual sword swings are there.

Lanza isn't mountain level...and Meliodas's Danafor feat is still more impressive than anything here and that was Pre Assault Mode. There's no reason that this will allow him to compete with Escanor who was fighting much stronger characters.

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#116 Edited by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Lanza not mountain level?

It was almost 5 times taller than LN and probably as wide by scaling from oscuras and the perspective

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#117 Posted by Azureus (2714 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Lanza not mountain level?

It was almost 5 times taller than LN and probably as wide by scaling from oscuras and the perspective

The same reason Nukes aren't mountain level. The Tsar Bomba has a blast range that's greater in size to Mt. Everest, yet wouldn't do a thing to it. What has Lanza even destroyed for it to be considered Mountain level? Just a big explosion?

I can see The Spirit Spear, The fragor, Bijuu dama, and FT Dragon Roars being Mountain level because they all actually destroyed Mountains/ comparable land masses. Lanza landed somewhere and made a big boom. So what?

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#118 Posted by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: so you think something of that size couldn’t destroy a mountain?

That’s a low blow, even for you.

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#119 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4792 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus:

When did the spirit spear destroy a mountain?

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#120 Posted by Azureus (2714 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: so you think something of that size couldn’t destroy a mountain?

That’s a low blow, even for you.

I'll reiterate:

The Tsar Bomba has a blast range that's greater in size to Mt. Everest, yet wouldn't do a thing to it.

So what justification is there for mountain level? A big boom?

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#121 Edited by Azureus (2714 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest said:

@azureus:

When did the spirit spear destroy a mountain?

When Mel fought Gloxinia and Drole. I should also add the shockwave alone did it.

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#122 Posted by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: a big boom that had more volume than a place like Las Noches. Just it’s shockwave alone was destroying parts of LN, and by scaling from cero oscuras that created a hole in the canopy of Las Noches, it would at least be able to destroy a mountain.

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#123 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4792 posts) - - Show Bio
@azureus said:
@leothegreatest said:

@azureus:

When did the spirit spear destroy a mountain?

When Mel fought Gloxinia and Drole. I should also add the shockwave alone did it.

If you’re referring to the manga it only destroyed a small part of one and in the anime it only leveled a forest..

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#124 Posted by Azureus (2714 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel:

a big boom that had more volume than a place like Las Noches.

So what? There's nothing impressive aside from it's size.

Just it’s shockwave alone was destroying parts of LN..

LN by itself isn't even mountain level and this is reinforced further by the series itself. A lot of it is giant empty space.

and by scaling from cero oscuras that created a hole in the canopy of Las Noches, it would at least be able to destroy a mountain.

I don't think you understand how this even works. In terms of size, mountains are even smaller than cities and some towns. The entire reason Mountain+ > City level is due to the durability of mountains. They're fucking strong.

It being big doesn't mean it will do shit to a mountain.

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#125 Edited by Azureus (2714 posts) - - Show Bio
@azureus said:
@leothegreatest said:

@azureus:

When did the spirit spear destroy a mountain?

When Mel fought Gloxinia and Drole. I should also add the shockwave alone did it.

If you’re referring to the manga it only destroyed a small part of one and in the anime it only leveled a forest..

For the manga:

We can already see the explosion itself didn't even touch it. The shockwave alone did it, which easily warrants Mountain level forces for the explosion itself.
We can already see the explosion itself didn't even touch it. The shockwave alone did it, which easily warrants Mountain level forces for the explosion itself.

As for the anime, I honestly don't know what forest you're even talking about.

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#126 Posted by Undre (3791 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: lol dued your such a wanker it never destroy a mountain. It didnt even blow up those hills just stop

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#127 Posted by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

@azureus: lol dued your such a wanker it never destroy a mountain. It didnt even blow up those hills just stop

Don't think I've seem something more hypocritical on this board.

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#128 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4792 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus said:
@leothegreatest said:
@azureus said:
@leothegreatest said:

@azureus:

When did the spirit spear destroy a mountain?

When Mel fought Gloxinia and Drole. I should also add the shockwave alone did it.

If you’re referring to the manga it only destroyed a small part of one and in the anime it only leveled a forest..

For the manga:

We can already see the explosion itself didn't even touch it. The shockwave alone did it, which easily warrants Mountain level forces for the explosion itself.
We can already see the explosion itself didn't even touch it. The shockwave alone did it, which easily warrants Mountain level forces for the explosion itself.

Like i said it destroyed a small portion of a small mountain, if causing that level of damage with a shockwave is mountain level then i suppose Jackie's kick is mountain level.

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And even by your logic LDR must be around island level since it did the same but from what should be 100s of miles away.

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As for the anime, I honestly don't know what forest you're even talking about.

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When i first saw it i viewed the cone like structures as trees and they still look like trees tbh.

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#129 Posted by Undre (3791 posts) - - Show Bio

@geeman2: lol i never wanked i use actual feats. And scaling

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#130 Posted by shirso (4464 posts) - - Show Bio

If The One lasts only for a minute, Bleach duo stomps. Otherwise Escanor.

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#131 Posted by Wanderez (1959 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel:

wasnt Lanza felt a few hunderds kilometers away btw?

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#132 Posted by KingGuinness (1893 posts) - - Show Bio

The One still stomps.

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#133 Posted by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

Dangai is stronger than shikai kenpachi soooo

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#134 Posted by Undre (3791 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingguinness: His powerup only last one minute and even with that powerup still gets vaped

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#135 Posted by Azureus (2714 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest:

Like i said it destroyed a small portion of a small mountain, if causing that level of damage with a shockwave is mountain level then i suppose Jackie's kick is mountain level.

Only if you believe what ever was destroyed has the same mass as the summit of even a small mountain...but since you made this distinction, you probably do.

And even by your logic LDR must be around island level since it did the same but from what should be 100s of miles away.

Not really lol, since LN isn't even island level, and that the larger yield nukes also have shockwaves that powerful. So...

When i first saw it i viewed the cone like structures as trees and they still look like trees tbh.

Why are we entertaining the idea that trees can be roughly the same size as nearby mountains?

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#136 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4792 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus:

It has a similar mass to those pieces that were blown off the small mountain. So there you have it folks mountain level Jackie and casual mountain level Base Pre RG Renji.

The 3 day statement and every scan from within Las Noches prove it can’t be lowballed to anything below Island it is 100s of miles away and no Nuke can replicate that feat.

In the anime they looked like hills so we don’t really have to entertain anything.

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#137 Posted by FaradaySloth (10087 posts) - - Show Bio

THE ONE still has zero feats to show he can beat let alone stomp the duo.

The Duo win in a mismatch.

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#138 Posted by Risk0608 (234 posts) - - Show Bio

What are the AP's and hax of Aizen and Ichigo in these forms? Were they comparable current Meliodas?

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#139 Posted by Risk0608 (234 posts) - - Show Bio

At the beginning of the series, Meliodas casually split and dusted a mountain on two separate occasions, regardless of calculations it was by the authors intent. At the beginning of the series, Meliodas had a suppressed power level of 3,170. Assault Mode Meliodas was somewhere around 150,000. The One is far superior.

Base Galand cut the tops of a mountain and the mountains surrounding them in a shockwave alone he destroyed a mountain range, and he had a power level of 26,000. Morning Escanor (Escanor in his "base"), no-sold this attack. Late Morning Escanor fought Estarossa, far superior Galand, even in his amped power level of 40,000. Escanor was between 60-80k in terms of power levels. And Escanor beat him with some difficulty, but he was in control of the fight the entire time. Escanor is not the One, he is a maniacal being of absolute power. Can someone refer to me how powerful Aizen and Ichigo are in comparison

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#140 Edited by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

@risk0608: This Ichigo vaped a hill and can spam mountain level attacks at best. I think Aizen was comparable, haven't read Bleach in a long time.

AM Melodias would beat this duo and we all know what happened to him once Escanor brought out The One.

Also it seems like a lot of people on this site have no idea what a mountain even is.

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#141 Posted by TourneyMaster (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is the hill feat so impressive?

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A weaker Meliodas hollowed out a super large mountain the and the second largest kingdom on it. The One Escanor beat a STRONGER version of Mel. How does Ichigo compare?

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#142 Edited by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyways result is the same, Escanor still bodies them both.

Speaking of that hill feat, it becomes even more unimpressive when Galand literally performed the same feat in base lol.

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Escanor no-selled an attack from an even stronger Galand, Melodias with a powerlevel of around 41600+ (seeing as that was King's powerlevel at the time and Melodias was using his demon mark) can cause attacks that dwarf cities.

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and the shrapnel itself was stated to be moving like 'shooting stars' and if you consider these are characters who can casually lightning time it's pretty impressive. These objects must have been at least moving at hypersonic speeds to burn up like that, and this is just with the air pressure from a slash from Meliodas.

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This Escanor no-sold 1000 divine slices from Melodias when he had a powerlevel of 142k, morning Escanor can no-sell Mountain level attacks from Galand.

Morning Escanor could vape Edinburgh castle with his passive heat and Edinburgh castle is larger than the hill that Ichigo vaped.

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So Escanor bodies. 'Featless' Escanor bodies actually, even more embarrassing.

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#143 Posted by Undre (3791 posts) - - Show Bio

@geeman2: soifon dwafts a city with her bankia and shes fodder.

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Grimmjow destroys massive pillar with a nail hes also fodder

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Lanza is also fodder to dangai ichigo

That abyss is litterly all melidoas power. That same feat easily done by 1 fragor

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#144 Edited by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre:

soifon dwafts a city with her bankia and shes fodder

Soifon is fodder to BOS Melodias so I don't see your point. Cool it's a big explosion but It didn't bust anything and best it has the potency of a large bomb, it only covered a couple city blocks IIRC in the anime and manga.

Grimmjow destroys massive pillar with a nail hes also fodder

Destroying a 30 meter pillar at best is nothing, what is your point? This is also fodder to Melodias.

Lanza is also fodder to dangai ichigo

Also fodder to Mel.

That abyss is litterly all melidoas power.

No it isn't, it's just Melodias unleashing his power out of rage. Where did you think that it's him releasing all his power? Sounds like headcanon.

Also fragor is mountain level, no point denying that. It's not better than Danafor though which was done by Melodias at a power level of 32000.

And AM Mel has a power level of 142K, High Noon Escanor casually no-sold all his attacks and oneshot him. Assault Mode Melodias was previously casually beating the crap out of Near Noon Escanor and pierced him fully, Galand couldn't even get more than a small cut on him with a mountain level attack.

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#145 Posted by TourneyMaster (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

@geeman2 said:

@undre:

soifon dwafts a city with her bankia and shes fodder

Soifon is fodder to BOS Melodias so I don't see your point. Cool it's a big explosion but It didn't bust anything and best it has the potency of a large bomb, it only covered a couple city blocks IIRC in the anime and manga.

Grimmjow destroys massive pillar with a nail hes also fodder

Destroying a 30 meter pillar at best is nothing, what is your point? This is also fodder to Melodias.

Lanza is also fodder to dangai ichigo

Also fodder to Mel.

That abyss is litterly all melidoas power.

No it isn't, it's just Melodias unleashing his power out of rage. Where did you think that it's him releasing all his power? Sounds like headcanon.

Also fragor is mountain level, no point denying that. It's not better than Danafor though which was done by Melodias at a power level of 32000.

And AM Mel has a power level of 142K, High Noon Escanor casually no-sold all his attacks and oneshot him. Assault Mode Melodias was previously casually beating the crap out of Near Noon Escanor and pierced him fully, Galand couldn't even get more than a small cut on him with a mountain level attack.

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#146 Posted by JuzaCloud (3566 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: that's not a mountain. That's a large hill lol. People keep calling dangai Ichigo hill feat, but then turn around and show a hill from another series.

The most you can get from that is city level

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#147 Posted by FaradaySloth (10087 posts) - - Show Bio

A weaker Meliodas hollowed out a super large mountain the and the second largest kingdom on it. The One Escanor beat a STRONGER version of Mel. How does Ichigo compare?

By slashing Yhwach in half who has Small Country-Country Level durability.

Besides Vasto Lorde Ichigo likely could replicate the crater feat, however, he has smaller AoE

Simply no NNT Character in pure feats can contend with those on Kenpachi's level, let alone Ichigo's.

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#148 Posted by FaradaySloth (10087 posts) - - Show Bio
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Anyways result is the same, Escanor still bodies them both.

Never happening in any way you look at it.

Escanor no-selled an attack from an even stronger Galand, Melodias with a powerlevel of around 41600+ (seeing as that was King's powerlevel at the time and Melodias was using his demon mark) can cause attacks that dwarf cities.

Corand is easily a small city at best with zero tall building considering Mama herself would tower the city in that scan.

Besides, what does that feat even mean? Congrats on dwarfing a small city?

and the shrapnel itself was stated to be moving like 'shooting stars' and if you consider these are characters who can casually lightning time it's pretty impressive.

Uh, there isn't any way to even assume what this means. You're taking a simile and trying to somehow make a speed upgrade when it doesn't work.

This Escanor no-sold 1000 divine slices from Melodias when he had a powerlevel of 142k, morning Escanor can no-sell Mountain level attacks from Galand.

Featless 1000 Divine Slices. Galand has zero mountain level feats.

Morning Escanor could vape Edinburgh castle with his passive heat and Edinburgh castle is larger than the hill that Ichigo vaped.

Cool story, Ichigo only had his arm burned and half of his clothes burned off by Fragor, which vaped through hundreds and hundreds of tons of rock instantaneously, dwarfing the Edinburgh Feat.

So Escanor bodies. 'Featless' Escanor bodies actually, even more embarrassing.

Laughable. Escanor still has zero feats on Ichigo's and Aizen's level.

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#149 Edited by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth:

Corand is easily a small city at best with zero tall building considering Mama herself would tower the city in that scan.

Probably an inconsistency in Nakaba's drawing regarding the size, Mama and Diana look tiny compared to the shrapnel in the next scan I showed.

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And Diane who is around half the size of Mama is equal to the size of a building in that city. So no tall buildings is completely false.

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So it's definitely more impressive than what you make it out to be, that being said you could only judge it based on the scans I've shown so my judgment here isn't really fair.

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Definitely above small city, keep in mind this is simply from the air pressure from his slash. It also busted a small part of the mountain they're on so it isn't just purely AOE

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Uh, there isn't any way to even assume what this means. You're taking a simile and trying to somehow make a speed upgrade when it doesn't work.

Don't play the ignorance game, the shrapnel is drawn as if they're burning up, King himself states they look like shooting stars which alludes to this fact. This is pretty easy to notice, not sure how you missed it. That's why I made the link, the shrapnel must have been moving at around hypersonic speed which makes the force of Meliodas's attack even more impressive.

Featless 1000 Divine Slices.

Featless if you want to ignore all scaling, logic and the powerlevel system put in place by the series. Tree level divine slices I guess, but large building level Escanor no-sold this so he's still tanking everything from building level Ichigo.

And it's not featless, AM using weaker attacks pierced Near Noon Escanor. Weaker versions of Mel can bust a part of a mountain with air pressure alone and the ensuing shockwave dwarfs the city and is physically stronger than Galand who can perform a mountain level feat.

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And Morning Escanor no sold a mountain level attack from Galand... onto that point.

Galand has zero mountain level feats.

And here we have our biggest disagreement. Galand was powerful enough to completely bust a part of the small mountain Escanor's bar was situated in and the following shockwaves travelled for miles and completely wiped off the top of other large hills/mountains nearby.

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I fail to see how an attack of this magnitude isn't mountain level without severe lowball, and before you bring up 'BUT MUH HILL LEVEL ICHIGO.' Base Galand already performed a similar feat and this feat is far more impressive obviously.

And obviously this is just the shockwave, it's also a piercing attack. The impact that Escanor would have taken would be far more potent than the shockwaves after. This attack barely cuts him, Morning Escanor by the way. So stop perpetuating the lie that both AM Mel and High Noon Escanor are featless, it makes you look dumb and uninformed or at least in denial.

Cool story, Ichigo only had his arm burned and half of his clothes burned off by Fragor, which vaped through hundreds and hundreds of tons of rock instantaneously, dwarfing the Edinburgh Feat.

Escanor at his weakest could casually perform this feat of melting Edinburgh castle, and by scaling and logic should be able to outperform Mel's danafor feat which is comparable if not superior to Aizen's fragor and Mel performed Danafor at a powerlevel of 32k.

Besides I don't think Escanor would oneshot Ichigo or Aizen with his heat alone ( I could make an argument for that), his physicals are more than fine but it's powerful enough to be a severe hindrance.

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#150 Posted by Risk0608 (234 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: It was 30,000 feet in depth. And this wasn't even impressive to the Ten Commandments who are fodder in comparison now