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Introduction!

Welcome one and all to this brand new tournament hosted by @higorm and myself! Comicvine is sometime difficult to get into and many give up on it before getting the full experience. It can be hard to get your name out there, but joining a tournament or CaV is a surefire way to spread the word of your arrival. But if you're anything like I was, going in your first time and getting stomped by a veteran debater is a likely and foreboding possibility that may deter you away from competing in these fun little things. So I, upon suggestion by the user @youngkaiser, have decided to create this, a tournament just for the newcomers of Comicvine!

Before we go on, I'd like to get briefly explain what exactly is going on for those who aren't 100% aware.

What is a Tournament?

A tournament on Comicvine is a fun little competition where a set number of Viners do battle in a fight of words and wit. They represent fictional characters and try to debate why their character would defeat the other in combat if they were to do combat. Most tourney's have a special little twist on them to set them apart, but I'll be keeping this one relatively simple.

First, we'll get 16 Viners to pick a squad of two fictional characters to debate with (Rules on who you are allowed to pick will be below.). After everyone has secured a spot, two contestants will be matched together at random and an individual thread will be made for them to debate in. One debater will post an intro on their characters, then the other will. Then they'll both go on to explain why their character wins and refute and counter the other's points for 2 or 3 posts before moving on to a conclusion and opening it up for the public to vote on who did better. The one who either gets the most votes in 1 week or gets 5 votes first will win and move on to the next round. This'll continue until one Viner is left and claims ultimate glory!

If all goes to plan, 1 round should take about 3 weeks at most, including voting. That leaves you with a solid 2 weeks to debate, plenty of time.

Joining Requirements

This being a tournament for a specific group of people, I'd like to lay down some basic rules for joining before we start. These can can stretched and bent a tad bit, but nothing too big.

  • You must have under 500 posts. A little over is acceptable, but absolutely no more than 700-800 without proper reasoning.
  • You must have competed in no more than 2-3 tournaments or CaVs.
  • You must be sure this is something you want to do and that you won't flake out on as soon as there's a challenge. These things take real time and effort and there's no need to join if you aren't fully committed.

Lastly, it is highly HIGHLY recommended that you at least skim the original post in this thread. It is probably one of the most helpful and informative tools for new debaters on this site and is highly underrated. If you are lost on how to do something in a debate (Make in intro, post feats, format, counter.), it'll steer you in the right direction.

It's also recommended you read over some completed CaVs first, to get an idea of how it all looks in action. Some great examples can be found in the link above and here and here.

And now that all that's out of the way, we can get on to...

Character Selection

In order to join, you must of course choose fictional characters who you'll be repping. For this specific tourney you will pick two who have to stay "Street Level." Basically, that means they shouldn't be able to easily defeat someone like Spider-Man in a fight.

Your character can be from any form of media-comic, anime, movie, book, whatever-as long as you have access to a decent amount of feats for him or her. Don't use a character if you won't be able to prove what you claim with showings from the source material. If you are for some reason unable to find feats on your own, Respect Threads can be helpful. Just make sure not to rely too heavily on these, otherwise you may find yourself using out of context scans or spamming them when not necessary.

Limits For Characters

Like I said, I'm putting limits on the characters you can use so we can have fair matches for everyone. Make sure your character doesn't exceed these limits, or they can not be used.

Nerfing away powers is allowed, but you aren't allow to take someone above the limits and ignore specific feats to make him fit.

  • Strength: 5 Tons maximum. To put it to scale, a car weighs 2 tons. If your character can lift much more than that, they're too much.
  • Speed: Mach 1. You're character should not exceed the speed of sound in travel or combat speed. Nor should they be able to blitz people who are bullet timers.
  • Durability: A tank shell should be able to put them down for good. This includes things like force fields and armor.
  • Damage Output: Your character should not be able to destroy more than a tank with a single attack of any kind. This includes energy attacks, elemental control, or anything else.
  • Regeneration: Healing broken bones and cuts is fine, but your character must go down when the head is destroyed.
  • Telepathy/Telekinesis: Telepathy and powers like it (Illusions included) are limited to mind reading, no control. TK is allowed but you can't directly grapple the opponent and it's limited to 2 tons.
  • Summons: Your character will not be allow to bring more than 2 fodder level summons into the battle. Thus only includes things that can be summoned mid battle, not friends of the character.

Lastly, here's a list of banned powers. These are deemed overpowered and make it unfair for those participating.

  • Reality or Time Manipulation/ Time Travel
  • Probability altering (good or bad luck)
  • Technopathy
  • Mind control or possession of any kind
  • Pheromones
  • Tele-dismemberment
  • Attacks that are completely unavoidable given the scenario limits
  • Power draining/negating/copying
  • Powers that affect your opponent internally (blood bending, etc.)
  • Intangibility (may only use for up to 5 seconds and must have 55 second cool down)

No gear is allowed to amp your characters past the limit either.

Also, keep in mind teamwork and morals. A team of someone like Batman and Joker wouldn't work well together, while two characters that know each other would do significantly better.

Once you make sure all your characters fit those limits, you can post in the thread that you want to join and once everyone is ready we can begin.

Without further ado, let's do this!

Participants:

@youngkaiser-Gorgon(No Stone Vision)/Daken(Muramasa)

@courtoftheowls-Bane/Azrael

@cosmicjoker-Deathstroke/Hellboy

@red king-Guts/Shinichi

@hittheassasin-Skulduggery Pleasant/The Black Cleaver

@black_panther18-Black Panther/Blade the Daywalker

@legendarysuns-616 Captain America/Nightcrawler

@tjtheduelist-Skipper The Penguin (Madagascar)/Kirito (Sword Art Online)

@foxerdes-New 52 Ra's al Ghul/New 52 Rose Wilson

@kibo-Damian Wayne/616 Falcon

@killerravens-Rocket Racoon/Karnak

@amethystgravity-Anthony Higgs/James Pierce

@darth_wayne-Ditto/Cyclops

@theawesomeflashsandiego32-Michelangelo/Unknown

@naturallygifted-Taskmaster/Unknown

@kinghype-Harry Dresden (Pre-Changes)/Diego Brando (Scary Monsters)

If anything is unclear ask me or @higorm for help!

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#2 Posted by OldKaiser (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

Save me a spot? :)

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#3 Posted by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

May I join?

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#5 Edited by OldKaiser (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: I need to think a little bit, but for now I'd like Gorgon (no stone vision) and Daken (Muramasa). Are they ok?

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#6 Posted by Joewell911 (14729 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Posted by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

Are Grendel (Hunter Rose) and Azrael (JPV) fine?

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#8 Edited by Just_Banter (12392 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: Definitely not making an alt to join this ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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#9 Edited by Joewell911 (14729 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: Definitely not making an alt to join this ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I'm watching you!

Are Grendel (Hunter Rose) and Azrael (JPV) fine?

I don't know either of those characters well enough to say. But if you think they are and we have no complaints from others, I'll allow them.

Just know that if anyone is caught sneaking in characters above the limits, that character will be removed and won't have the option to be replaced.

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#10 Edited by OldKaiser (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: I'm not well-versed on Azrael, but I think Hunter Rose (Grendel) is fine. He's on Batman's level; maybe a little better.

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#11 Posted by CosmicJoker (12 posts) - - Show Bio

Can I reserve a slot for this???

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#12 Posted by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

@youngkaiser: Last I checked Azrael was near Batman level. I haven't caught up on his comics. Is Green Goblin alright, if I decide to switch?

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#14 Edited by OldKaiser (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmicjoker: Start thinking on what characters you'll use, I'm not sure the hosts are online currently.

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#15 Posted by Joewell911 (14729 posts) - - Show Bio

Can I reserve a slot for this???

Yep! Just tell me who you wanna use when you figure it out.

@youngkaiser: Last I checked Azrael was near Batman level. I haven't caught up on his comics. Is Green Goblin alright, if I decide to switch?

Probs.

So is it Goblin and Rose or Goblin and Azrael?

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#16 Posted by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

The greatest feat I've seen from Grendel is killing 20 men before they could react. He's no speedster though.

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#17 Posted by deactivated-5b57e45d84a85 (157 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry if I keep changing, my mind is in Star Wars right now and I went to bed late. ????

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#19 Posted by Joewell911 (14729 posts) - - Show Bio

@courtoftheowls: It's fine. As long as someone like Captain America wouldn't get blitzed, they're not too bad in speed.

@joewell911: is it only comicbook characters?

Nope. Read the character selection again.

Your character can be from any form of media-comic, anime, movie, book, whatever-as long as you have access to a decent amount of feats for him or her.

They can come from anything you want!

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#20 Posted by deactivated-5b57e45d84a85 (157 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: can I use Ang and Korra without avatar state?

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#22 Posted by OldKaiser (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@giliad_: I'm pretty sure you count. As longs as you have participated in less than 3 CaVs or tournaments.

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#23 Posted by GIliad_ (6654 posts) - - Show Bio

@giliad_: I'm pretty sure you count. As longs as you have participated in less than 3 CaVs or tournaments.

I wasn't being serious, I'm an alt with about 5000 posts in total and I have been in more than I can count. But good luck to you...

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#24 Posted by Joewell911 (14729 posts) - - Show Bio

@giliad_ said:

@joewell911: Do I count? Pretty please... XD

You beat in a debate. You're no newb.

@joewell911: can I use Ang and Korra without avatar state?

Both of their destructive capabilities are too much.

Other benders would be fine, but no Avatars.

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#25 Posted by Red King (932 posts) - - Show Bio

Am I eligible?

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#27 Posted by Joewell911 (14729 posts) - - Show Bio

@red king: How many CaVs/tournaments have you been in?

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#30 Edited by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

May I secure the use of Bane and Green Goblin (Norman Osborne)?

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#31 Posted by Joewell911 (14729 posts) - - Show Bio
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#33 Posted by Joewell911 (14729 posts) - - Show Bio

It's getting to that level. The one where someone posts right before I do so I gotta keep double posting. XD

Ah, then yeah. You'll be fine. Characters?

May I secure the use of Bane and Green Goblin?

Yeppie.

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#34 Posted by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

Thank you.

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#35 Posted by Red King (932 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: Checking to see if a certain character is within the limits.

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#36 Edited by HitTheAssasin (8024 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: May i have Skulduggery Pleasant from Skulduggery Pleasant and The Black Cleaver also from SP Cleaver can only be killed by destroying his brain or ripping him into pieces and Green Goblin is in no way street level he is meta human

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#38 Edited by Red King (932 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: Guts from Berserk but, i'm pretty sure he's not within the limits so i'm still thinking.

Added: He may be, I'm looking through his feats.

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#39 Posted by OldKaiser (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: Isn't he allowed since he can't beat Spider-Man easily? I'm not sure, so you should ask Joewell or Higorm.

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#40 Posted by Joewell911 (14729 posts) - - Show Bio

@red king said:

@joewell911: Guts from Berserk but, i'm pretty sure he's not within the limits so i'm still thinking.

Guts can work, but no Berserker Armor.

@joewell911: Maybe i have Skulduggery Pleasant from Skulduggery Pleasant and The Black Cleaver also from SP Cleaver can only be killed by destroying his brain or ripping him into pieces and Green Goblin is in no way street level he is meta human

No idea who those are, but I'll trust that they fit.

@courtoftheowls-Anything to say about that? Is he over?

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#41 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8024 posts) - - Show Bio

@youngkaiser: well he breaks the rule of not being able to lift more than 5 Tons and I think he can Take a Tank Shell so..... and he would beat my guys

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#42 Edited by Red King (932 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: Alright i'll use Guts without the Armor and i'll get back to you with my second pick.

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#43 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8024 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: Thanks trust me they fit they are a little above Batman respectively

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#44 Posted by deactivated-5988def3424a7 (5386 posts) - - Show Bio

I am absolutely new to CV. May I join please?

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#45 Posted by Joewell911 (14729 posts) - - Show Bio

I am absolutely new to CV. May I join please?

Not an alt are you?

Assuming no, what characters you wanna use?

@youngkaiser: well he breaks the rule of not being able to lift more than 5 Tons and I think he can Take a Tank Shell so..... and he would beat my guys

I'll wait to see what CourtoftheOwls has to say in defense, but it's looking like he's a bit too powerful.

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#46 Edited by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

Seems fair. I don't oppose your statement. I'll find someone else.

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#47 Posted by deactivated-5988def3424a7 (5386 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911: No I'm not, but I did read all the battle forum rules, table of content, battles bible, looked at battle threads, and read your whole OP before doing my first post so I know what to do now.

Characters I wanna use are Black Panther and my second one is currently undecided.

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#48 Posted by makhai (3389 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure I have less than 500 posts in the battles forums.

:>

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#49 Posted by OldKaiser (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: I trust your judgment, as I trust Joewell's. However, do your characters have quantifiable feats? If so, where can they be found?

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#50 Posted by Red King (932 posts) - - Show Bio

@joewell911:

Can I uses Shinichi from Parasyte? Even though his arm is it's own thing? ( it's not a person but, it thinks for itself.)