Don't downplay. I can do that too.
I don't have an opinion on HOTU Thanos against Featherine. I said it was hard to scale. Your accusations of down-playing are half-baked attempts to shut me down just because you don't like it when people disagree with you in the slightest, because I didn't even give a formal opinion about the thread's question yet. Your sensitivities over this are a little too high.
If there was any amount of "resistance" than the "omnipotent backing" might as well just be out of this picture.
I explained before that there are different levels of Omnipotent backing.
Moses's staff has magic from God, it backs Moses up, doesn't make him nigh-Omnipotent or whatever. Nobody freaks at that, but if TOAA only wishes to leave Thanos just a bit of power and not care too much, everyone FREAKS. If you get my drift, you can use this logic for yourself.
Being backed by an Omnipotent just means you're nothing more than a sock-puppet of that Omnipotent or you're just a fictional character being used by an Omnipotent. You're fighting the Omnipotent indirectly, and your only hope against that are the limits of the Omnipotent decides if that guy loses or not for whatever reason.
I'm just saying that Featherine has no feats of contending with something that has Omnipotent backing. I'm not implying she'll lose, if anything I just said it's hard to scale and left up to speculation.
You're just proving that Umineko has a better and more legit concept of a "TOAA". All it is saying is that if you past this forbidden plane/creator domain you will vanish and lose your own meaning, which is what should happen when any being merges with an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being. Any...Named...Character aren't omnipotent either since any display contradicts it. Which also proves Umineko has a better grasp and a more legit concept of this than other series. So that is a display of power. Featherine is a transcendental being and is not limited by anything but her since of self and operates at the highest possible level without truly being 0/TOAA
I did not prove that Umineko has a better concept of an Omnipotent.
I'm saying that fictions have different interpretations of Omnipotent. There is no law in fiction that says Omnipotent must absorb everything that gets too close to it. You made that rule up. You're the one putting Umineko's God on a pedestal for some reason against other Omnipotents. I told you already if you started bringing Omnipotent vs Omnipotent issues, this thread will be locked.
The concept of Omnipotent God has different interpretations. You saying that "NAW THIS IS BETTER" is like listening to a bunch of Christians arguing whose version of Jesus is more "TRUE". Umineko has a clever interpretation of Omnipotence, just as Lovecraft had his clever interpretation of Omnipotence. These are just add-ons, they are non bearing as standards against other Omnipotents.
Umineko has no better concept of TOAA anymore than Marvel has a better concept of Batman. TOAA is a Marvel character, Batman is a DC character. That kind of ends there....
Nothing Omnipotents do contradicts their Omnipotence. If you are trying to bind Omnipotents to what they should do, and that they must be limited by what you think on them based on one franchise, then why call it Omnipotent if they shouldn't do anything with their power? That means you believe that Omnipotents can't do anything and just do nothing.
An Omnipotent can decide to contradict itself, decide to be Azathoth then decide to be Morgan Freeman. You are in no control over this.
Would you have me argue that the Umineko God's inability and lack of feats to stop absorbing things that get too close to it while many Omnipotent characters before don't do that? As a contradiction of Omnipotence? Would you have me argue that Umineko God's inability to create a personality for itself to project its power over weaker beings instead of being a meaningless Omnipotent become its OWN CONTRADICTION FROM OMNIPOTENCE? No. You can apply your half-baked logic against you, I still wouldn't use it. I'm not downplaying, but your logic (which I don't agree with) can back-fire.
I do 1001% agree that Umineko's God Omnipotent, I just don't agree with these standards you're imposing on Omnipotent characters based on ONE Omnipotent character out of the thousands that exist in fiction.
Omnipotence just means do anything, no limits at least at a scale that they have no provable non-paradoxical limits. It says nothing about absorbing other beings and make them meaningless for the lulz. You're trying to put way too many features to Omnipotents that should not necessarily be. Those add-ons are freedoms of interpretations, they're not restrictions to an Omnipotent's should-be.
Now because of this, this thread is going to get locked soon.
Lambdadelta even states you can tier them through existence.
Tier them through existence? Please explain.
"Whut. We already been over beatrice's catbox. Even a single fragment from the catbox contains infinite realities and beatrice's catbox encompass endless fragments"
Being transcending over an infinite multiversal cosmology does not mean one is beyond death if it gets killed. You're connecting dots that don't do. It's like saying dogs bark because cat litter, this is in zero connection.
You are arguing that anything an Omnipotent does contradicts it. But you're for some reason arguing against my opinion that things that get killed by Featherine are can't be beyond death? These are two completely irrelevant things. Either you take contradictions at face value and ignore it altogether or no.
A character's death debunks the idea it was above the concept of death. It was just non-corporeal immortal, it was never boundless to death as a concept.
Witches like beatrice in her higher worlds views this catbox (multiverse/endless universes/fragments) as fictional stories. While other characters like Bernkastel and Lamdadelta see those characters and their realm as nothing but fictional stories to mess around with. The void like the Sea of endless fragments is above concepts and metaphysical bounds that Voyagers are able to traverse where beatrice's catbox is just among other fragments out there stating that they even restrict themselves in the territories they enter to ease their boredom. So you at least need to be at a supreme godlike level to simply be able to interact with it and everything in it, like voyagers
I don't get it. This is all irrelevant. Godlikeness is just a word that changes meaning depending on franchise.
My point is that Witches below Featherine are not above death nor even above the concepts they claim to be by function.
How could those lesser witches be above death or other concepts if Featherine can stomp them? Their immortality, and their conceptual transcension is merely a relative finite one that works at a certain condition that Featherine doesn't get in the way.
It's the same thing when Dies Irae fans say that Reinhard is above the concepts of destruciton and death but then Hajun kills him. How does that work? This literally debunks Reinhard was ever above death or destruction conceptually. Reinhard's power was always finite relatively, you just need to be more powerful than him, that's all. It's all power level based, Hax is just a delusion.
The whole meta thing, and "above concepts" thing, is really just an alternative to Suggsversing, but without using Omnipotence, we're using BEYOND THE CONCEPT OF THIS, but this other character is BEYONDER BEYONDER THE CONCEPT OF THIS BY INFINITY but then this other character is INFINITELY INFINITELY ABOVE ALL CONCEPTS BY MORE INFINITIES.
There is no character but Omnipotents who are actually above concepts. Any non-Omnipotent is just relatively above certain circumstances of those concepts relatively.
If a Nigh Omnipotent is erased by another Nigh Omnipotent equal to its power, he could simply pop himself back. But if it was erased by an Omnipotent, he's not coming back. It was never above death or existence, it was above the death and non-existence inducement of finite power levels weaker than itself.
If a character was above concepts like death, then the Omnipotent couldn't kill them. But this is illogical.
That's why when someone says a character is above the concept of death or any concept, even if it is god-like already, I still don't take it seriously. I'm not downplaying.
Some things literally just downplay themselves because the franchises contradict themselves.
"WOOH IM ABOVE THE CONCEPT OF DEATH! WHOOP, I GOT KILLED"
I still don't get why fans from Comics, Manga and Anime agree with this logic and not see its fallacies.
You cannot refuse to believe that LT is Omnipotent by statement, then think these obvious inconsistencies and self-refuting character traits are okay, logical and acceptable to you.