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#1 Posted by KINGDAVIDNUMEROUNO (86 posts) - - Show Bio
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ALL BLOODLUSTED!

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#2 Posted by hatemalingsia (15494 posts) - - Show Bio

NYET!

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#3 Posted by TheSuperor (5104 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal loses badly

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#4 Posted by Rijehu (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

You hate LT don't you? He gets eradicated here. In fact, you can put Spectre on his team and they still get eradicated.

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#5 Posted by jardinain2 (4131 posts) - - Show Bio

LT takes this. Spectre is damn near useless. neither Michael nor Lucifer have the feats to beat TLT.

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#6 Posted by Cosmic_Templar (2571 posts) - - Show Bio

Spite.

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#8 Posted by BladeOfFury (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu:

I don't believe Michael or Lucifer alone is above LT. If Spectre is alongside LT, Team 1 will win.

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#9 Posted by LordWhiskers (731 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao at the Spectre being able to solo LT. Thats hilarious. Spectre has been beaten by your run of the mill 5D Imps and now he can solo LT? Yeah thats funny. The only real threats here are Michael and Lucifer and nothing they've done puts them on the level of LT.

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#10 Posted by jardinain2 (4131 posts) - - Show Bio
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#11 Posted by MysticMedivh (32114 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal judges them.

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#12 Posted by Cosmic_Templar (2571 posts) - - Show Bio
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#13 Posted by bowlt_swagg_320 (1803 posts) - - Show Bio

They all die

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#14 Posted by jardinain2 (4131 posts) - - Show Bio

@jardinain2 said:
@cosmic_templar said:

Spite.

In favor of who?

Team because together they're far more powerful than him.

Based on what? they have zero feats to put them at his level of power.

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#15 Posted by jardinain2 (4131 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal loses badly

Id like to see you try to back that up please.

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#16 Edited by Rijehu (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury: Either Michael or Lucifer are already LT tier at least. Together they sweep him. Spectre has been swatted by Michael already, quite literally might I add and Lucifer wouldn't have any more difficult of a time. If I'm remembering correctly, LT has had issues with powerhouses beyond his domain of judgment.

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#17 Edited by Rijehu (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

And LT isn't judging anyone here. I don't recall him even being able judge beings of extra dimensional realms in Marvel. Beings from foreign universes beyond his multiverse are not subject to his authority and we have seen this on panel.

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#18 Posted by Ataraxy (152 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer whispers into Chaos and Orders ear who then come and one shot the oh so great Tribunal who dies again in consecutive years..despite him being multiversal ++++++

Where are all these great feats of the Tribunal anyhow? Stopping the IG that one time?

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#19 Posted by Gotoucanario (1963 posts) - - Show Bio

Luficer does not approve and leaves LT depowered-wait...

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#20 Posted by noah_ouellette (2902 posts) - - Show Bio

@jardinain2: yes they do. If they're together they're arguably just the presence

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#21 Edited by jardinain2 (4131 posts) - - Show Bio

@noah_ouellette: LOL no they aren't. Presence can unmake them with a thought.

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#22 Posted by KrleAvenger (23003 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer does not solo. Michael does not solo. Spectre does not solo.

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#23 Posted by pansito (792 posts) - - Show Bio
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#24 Posted by KrleAvenger (23003 posts) - - Show Bio

@pansito: Probably. Spectre is cooler tho.

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#25 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (1086 posts) - - Show Bio

Lt has trouble with beings outside his multiverse the brothers and spectre win

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#26 Edited by Rijehu (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

@ataraxy: Either that or they summon Zom, Nebulos, and any other outer realm entity for LT to struggle against while they wait. Michael could also just erase the concept of judgement and Lucifer could collapse the reality. It blows my mind how people think LT just easily defeats one, let alone both of these guys who are at least multiversal in power. LT struggles with anyone that isn't in his domain. And forces outside of Marvel multiverse aren't being "erased" by him because he can't dismiss them that easily, especially when they are nearly as powerful as he is.

Michael on panel has produced power for every existing "universe" in the original run of the series, both directly and indirectly, including Lucifer's multiverse. In the newest Lucifer comics, Lucifer confirms the presence of not only multiple multiverses, but also various creations that he has walked through and stood at the center of. The only creations that we know of are The Presence's original which the brothers made together, Lucifer's own, and Elaine's. So yes each of these according to the newest series are all multiverses, (unless someone can prove otherwise with the proof of who made another multiverse, which still wouldn't help any opposing argument) and all of these were formed from Michael's demiurgic power, which means he is obviously multiversal.

Lucifer as we know, simultaneously warped his multiverse as well as the original one he helped create (weaver of suns) and then warped the infinite void to make millions of gateways in every possible realm of both. That's multiversal power...People ignore this but the Logoz and Book of Destiny are multiversal concepts, one of which is embodiment of The Presence's voice that sang ALL of creation into being, and Lucifer demolished both. Then you have the Mansions of Silence, which is a realm where every possible version of infinite realms, realities, universes, and creations exist, and Lucifer's mere presence eradicated it all. This feat is often ignored because it puts to shame the "universal tier" claim low ballers try to make.

Also, we know that the Endless are multiversal and have feats on panel proving it. Dream himself has had a fraction of his power used to destroy billions of universes and create new realities; a fraction. Morpheus also blatantly admitted that Lucifer is vastly more powerful than him.

Lucifer himself warped the dreaming (multiversal feat again) against Dream's own will...and I believe this was Daniel, who himself called the mainstream DCU "small" compared to him...indicating that he is beyond the DCU in general and Lucifer is far beyond even Daniel. Daniel is also considered weaker than Morpheus.

If you actually assess the series without a conjectured or biased mentality, it's not difficult to understand the full capabilities of either of the Angels. Wether it be Feats on panel, Tier ranking, character statements, Implied power and Established hierarchy, there are various showings that attest to the power of the two most powerful beings in DC/Vertigo creation. Both the brothers are individually more than capable of giving anyone less that Omnipotent a run, LT included. To think otherwise is pure conjecture. Adding the most powerful version of Spectre to this (who would also give LT trouble alone) makes this a slaughterhouse in favor of the Team.

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#27 Edited by jamespacker (158 posts) - - Show Bio

Either Lucifer or Michael STOMP

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#28 Posted by FirstHunter (3497 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu:

Either that or they summon Zom

When have they ever summoned Zom?

Anyway, LT stomped Zom IIRC and Dormammu and Eternity managed to Imprison him.

Both the brothers are individually more than capable of giving anyone less that Omnipotent a run

That's a bold claim. There are plenty of non-omnipotent beings one could make a case for easily defeating them.

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#29 Posted by FirstHunter (3497 posts) - - Show Bio
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#30 Posted by deactivated-1351355 (5579 posts) - - Show Bio

@firsthunter said:

When have they ever summoned Zom?

Anyway, LT stomped Zom IIRC and Dormammu and Eternity managed to Imprison him.

The Living Tribunal did defeat Zom with only a wave of his hand. Nebulos wasn't even a threat to LT without the Staff of Polar Power as well, which is an artifact that doesn't exist anymore( And was only considered to be powerful after absorbing all the magic from Marvel Earth).

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#31 Edited by Rijehu (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

@firsthunter said:

@rijehu:

Either that or they summon Zom

When have they ever summoned Zom?

Never, that statement was me engaging the humor of the original post.

Anyway, LT stomped Zom IIRC and Dormammu and Eternity managed to Imprison him.

IIRC, hadn't Zom entered the multiverse at that point? But I mentioned Zom as well as Nebulos as a group of extra dimensional beings to show that LT's influence wavers with certain beings beyond his domain.

Both the brothers are individually more than capable of giving anyone less that Omnipotent a run

That's a bold claim. There are plenty of non-omnipotent beings one could make a case for easily defeating them.

Fair Point.Nearly anyone less than omnipotent; more so in regards to the two universes at hand.

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#32 Posted by FirstHunter (3497 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu:

IIRC, hadn't Zom entered the multiverse at that point?

Yes he had, but that doesn't make Zom weaker.

But I mentioned Zom as well as Nebulos as a group of extra dimensional beings to show that LT's influence wavers with certain beings beyond his domain.

LT stomped Zom and Nebulos was heavily amped. When Nebulos was unamped LT stomped him.

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#33 Posted by Rijehu (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu:

IIRC, hadn't Zom entered the multiverse at that point?

Yes he had, but that doesn't make Zom weaker.

I don't think it's a matter of him being weaker, it's the fact that he had left the extra dimensional boundaries outside of the multiverse (beyond LT's authoritative power) and into LT"s domain where his judgment is supreme. That explains why he was frightened.

But I mentioned Zom as well as Nebulos as a group of extra dimensional beings to show that LT's influence wavers with certain beings beyond his domain.

LT stomped Zom and Nebulos was heavily amped. When Nebulos was unamped LT stomped him.

I may have misunderstood this confrontation. LT struggled to take the staff from Nebulos right? Did he also needed Strange to assist him? Strange had the powers of other beings from outer realms which would explain why he could pose a threat to Nebulos since he too is of such a nature.

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#34 Posted by TheVoidofDeath (1105 posts) - - Show Bio

LT

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#35 Edited by FirstHunter (3497 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu:

it's the fact that he had left the extra dimensional boundaries outside of the multiverse

Where's the proof that Zom exists outside of the Multiverse?

and into LT"s domain where his judgment is supreme.

LT has lost to beings inside his domain.

That explains why he was frightened.

Or simply because LT was more powerful.

LT struggled to take the staff from Nebulos right?

Yes.

Strange had the powers of other beings from outer realms

Like who?

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#36 Posted by Van_Cere (3067 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh here we go. Interesting little conversation we have here. I do not know why this is still an issue; just match their best feats;

Michael clearly can beat all three. He is not as diverse as LT and not as smart as Lucifer, but his power is undeniably the most formidable and in a straight out fight, he wins every time. The good thing here is that this is very straightforward. None of them have any holes in their game.

LT and Lucifer both have high end feats that blur the lines that we establish for characters. Both are stronger than a lot of multiversal characters so I can just say it's a toss up.

I uh, do not know why the Spectre is here. But to answer the post; the angels without difficulty.

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#37 Posted by XxGin (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

honestly unbound spectre should be able to stalemate LT alone. It's just that people underrate Spectre horribly because the writers use him to job constantly so we will be scared of the villains.. Ahem,

Nekron, A M, Emperor Joker, Mxy, Parallax.. Cheap tool to show the villains power. However, I feel the Spectre is rarely at full power in any of those appearances.

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#38 Posted by Batvibe12 (1323 posts) - - Show Bio

Team will win.

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#39 Edited by Delta16807 (481 posts) - - Show Bio

A case for Lucifer, Michael or Spectre (unbounded of course) beating LT themselves here... I believe LT is being highballed here.

And they all have high multiversal power here on team 2... Heck, I think Lucifer himself is very far above LT.

How is the team supposed to lose this?

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This kinda seems like a mismatch to me, but a lot of people are picking the LT?

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#40 Posted by Van_Cere (3067 posts) - - Show Bio

@delta16807: It's a stupid kind of manipulation; you make a Lucifer vs Molecule Man thread it would be even. Not because of fact, but just because it's made. Then, you make a thread titled "the angel brothers vs LT" will trick people into thinking damn LT is strong enough to be used against both of them. And it's two on one. So obviously either LT wins, or the brothers barely win because two people are always weaker than the one guy.

It's stupidity at its finest; being manipulated by a tactic nobody has ever thought of its so useless. Now we see, not so much.

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#41 Posted by NewWorldOrder (1776 posts) - - Show Bio

LT

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#42 Posted by Van_Cere (3067 posts) - - Show Bio
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#46 Posted by jamespacker (158 posts) - - Show Bio

@firsthunter:

Michael + The Morningstar Infinite Power To Create And Destroy

Lucifer = infinite will (infinite manipulation)

Michael = infinite Power of Demiurge (The Presence's Power)

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#48 Posted by willy_pingtom (545 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins. LT gets killed by Lord Chaos and Master Order lol.

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#49 Edited by SpareHeadOne (2423 posts) - - Show Bio

Who has named Michael as demiurge (demiurgos)?

Who wrote him with this title?

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#50 Posted by SpareHeadOne (2423 posts) - - Show Bio

Any hooooooo TLT wins because they are in unity.

Lucifer and Michael are a house divided and it shall not stand. They could not work together if they tried. Especially if Michael is the preincarnate messiah.