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#51 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1930 posts) - - Show Bio

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@wanderez: Like MYGOD101 said, the Dragonborn can just BFR Yhwach into another dimension using the Black Books. He can also uses Mehrunes Razor to send Yhwach's soul to Mehrunes Dagon, effectively countering his regeneration. Being intangible won't help Yhwach since magic and Tonal Magic such as the Thu'um can easily hurt ghosts, which are intangible.

For your last question, yes, the Dovahkiin can kill Yhwach. Dragonrend shout is a conceptual shout that can impose the concept of mortality to an immortal being. So Yhwach can get killed if the Dovahkiin uses the Dragonrend shout.

Yhwach has his own dimension and BFR. Conceptual power negation was already used on Yhwach by Ichibei who named/created everything in the afterlife, and controls all the darkness in the universe. Guess what? Almighty negated power negation.

I mean....when you can post a Scan of Yhwach Escaping from a 6-D Separate constructed of existence then we have a debate. Ichibei isn't even close to Dragonborn level of power, even if you say Ichibei is universe level, when he did that.

the Hax Dragonborn has is just far too much for anyone in Bleach, even with the Verse working together.

-Dragonborn is just far too fast for them.

-Dragonborn is far to hax for them.

-Dragonborn is far more durable then them.

Its hard to go against someone who has over 100 ways to win the fight casually just by speaking.

"Escaping from a 6-D Separate constructed of existence " why is this stopping Yhwach from entering his own dimension that he created which can only be accessed by a void creating footholds to not fall eternity? I didn' said Ichibei was universal. The character said he controls all the darkness in the universe, so no matter if you steal his powers as Yhwach did, he can still use the rest of the darkness left in the world.

I'll let Yhwach explain it himself

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No....I just going to say he can't. Because once you are sent to the Realm of oblivion you are at the mercy of the Gods who controls said realms you fall into. So...unless you think Yhwach is going to overpower the Gods there who ranges from universal, to Complex Mulitversal, to far beyond that depending on which Realm he goes to...then he isn't coming back.

I would argue that he can indeed.

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Light Novel Feats Lore of The Reio/Soul King who Yhwach absorbed and took his power: Source.

"During that age, all of creation was in a state of ambiguity. There was neither life nor death; progression and regression flickered to and fro. Swaying and swaying slowly; this waning and waxing world waited for a hundred million years to cool down. Eventually, Hollows became a part of the circulation of souls." The monk spoke in a matter-of-fact tone; quietly reminiscing about the world that existed before the birth of Hueco Mundo and the World of the Living.

"But before long, Hollows began devouring humans. And so, the circulation ceased. All those souls came together to form a gigantic Hollow, a Menos. The world became completely still. But you know, it's a strange thing. A new life came into being. As if the world itself naturally rejected it, he destroyed it and turned it into sands of reishi; thus, circulation began once again."

"That was the Rei-o of the first era...?"

One of the new recruits involuntarily whispered; but he hurriedly closed his mouth for fear of having said something profane. But the monk nodded and told him not to worry.

"That's right. Others; with special powers, including myself; appeared, but it is fair to say that the Rei-o stood out; his powers very close to omnipotence and omniscience."

The monk paused, recalling the former Rei-o who had already disappeared from this throne.

"As the Rei-o continued to protect the world from the Hollows by annihilating them; to prevent the world from stagnating, the world itself began to slowly sink into chaos."

The monk went on, stroking his beard.

"However, there were those who did not find this state of affairs agreeable. There were five of them. Although not as much as the Rei-o; they were strong. They were the original founders of the Five Great Noble Houses, including the Shiba family."

The monk told them.

Each of them had different motives.

The Tsunayashiro ancestor was afraid that this mighty power would someday be used against them.

The ancestor of the opposing clan said that it was necessary to have a world that would serve as the lid to cover up the 'pit' that would later be known as 'Hell'.

The Kuchiki ancestor believed that a new order was necessary to solidify the world more.

The Shihoin ancestor said that it was necessary to form a larger circulation to advance the stagnant world.

And the Shiba ancestor wanted to explore the path of purification of Hollows rather than destruction; since they too had hearts.

But their widely varying motives strangely led to the same goal in the end; to split the world. A world of order, a world of implementation, also a paradise of sand where Hollows from two sides would end up in.

Perhaps another form of the world would be born, but the essential thing was the clear separation the world of the 'living' from the world of the 'dead'.

In order to turn this division into a reality, what was required was the power of a man who transcended everything.

"Although the Shiba ancestor tried to talk the Tsunayashiro ancestor out of it, it is said that the Rei-o was tied up and sealed within the crystal. The rest of Soul Society's history was witnessed directly by myself."

A man who was later named the Rei-o.

Using his powers of the Almighty as the 'keystone', the five of them created the foundation of a new world. Soul Society, the Material World and Hueco Mundo. Life and death were separated. The Soul Cycle ushered in a new era.

And then, one day, the ones who managed the Soul Society, came to be known as 'Shinigami'.

"Perhaps it was because he could see the far-flung future.... Maybe he could not escape his fear; or maybe he found some hope in the new world.... I don't really understand... But the Rei-o dared not resist it."

Things to know, The World of Souls a.k.a. Soul Society is made completely of Reishi (spiritual matter) which doesn't mix well with Kishi (Matter) by separating a whole existence of spiritual matter, he had to create a world of matter out of nothing since The Real World didn't exist and are made of two different types of matter. Is well known that humans cannot enter the spirit realm without their bodies been turned into spiritual matter or they will die. Muken is another dimension that exists in the afterlife and it's described that stretches for infinity and is a void. Reio's power could destroy said dimension making it again Universal+.

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#52 Edited by Mee09 (5765 posts) - - Show Bio

A composite Dragonborn. Is far too powerful for any Bleach character. He has way too much versatility. Then you made it even worse for Yhwach by giving The Last Dragonborn a set of COMPOSITE ARMOR AND WEAPONS. He is powerful enough to legit one shot Yhwach here. And the Dragonborn is too durable to be harmed by Yhwach. People seem to forget that The Greybeards are powerful enough to destroy the gigantic mountain that High Hrothgar is on. A full power Dovahkiin with composite armor. Will easily be able to tank whatever they can dish out. Composite armor also gives him resistance all of Yhwach's level of hax. On top of that Dovahkiin can still summon the likes of Hermaus Mora to deal with Yhwach as well. Although composite Dovahkiin has other summons that are far weaker but are still easily capable of dealing with Yhwach as well.

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#53 Posted by weebbicboi (1381 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragonborn stomps

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#54 Posted by AGrape (183 posts) - - Show Bio

Biggest mismatch ever. DB one shots HST with a few words.

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#55 Edited by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker said:
@mygod101 said:
@cocoussybreaker said:
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@wanderez: Like MYGOD101 said, the Dragonborn can just BFR Yhwach into another dimension using the Black Books. He can also uses Mehrunes Razor to send Yhwach's soul to Mehrunes Dagon, effectively countering his regeneration. Being intangible won't help Yhwach since magic and Tonal Magic such as the Thu'um can easily hurt ghosts, which are intangible.

For your last question, yes, the Dovahkiin can kill Yhwach. Dragonrend shout is a conceptual shout that can impose the concept of mortality to an immortal being. So Yhwach can get killed if the Dovahkiin uses the Dragonrend shout.

Yhwach has his own dimension and BFR. Conceptual power negation was already used on Yhwach by Ichibei who named/created everything in the afterlife, and controls all the darkness in the universe. Guess what? Almighty negated power negation.

I mean....when you can post a Scan of Yhwach Escaping from a 6-D Separate constructed of existence then we have a debate. Ichibei isn't even close to Dragonborn level of power, even if you say Ichibei is universe level, when he did that.

the Hax Dragonborn has is just far too much for anyone in Bleach, even with the Verse working together.

-Dragonborn is just far too fast for them.

-Dragonborn is far to hax for them.

-Dragonborn is far more durable then them.

Its hard to go against someone who has over 100 ways to win the fight casually just by speaking.

"Escaping from a 6-D Separate constructed of existence " why is this stopping Yhwach from entering his own dimension that he created which can only be accessed by a void creating footholds to not fall eternity? I didn' said Ichibei was universal. The character said he controls all the darkness in the universe, so no matter if you steal his powers as Yhwach did, he can still use the rest of the darkness left in the world.

I'll let Yhwach explain it himself

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No....I just going to say he can't. Because once you are sent to the Realm of oblivion you are at the mercy of the Gods who controls said realms you fall into. So...unless you think Yhwach is going to overpower the Gods there who ranges from universal, to Complex Mulitversal, to far beyond that depending on which Realm he goes to...then he isn't coming back.

I would argue that he can indeed.

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Light Novel Feats Lore of The Reio/Soul King who Yhwach absorbed and took his power: Source.

"During that age, all of creation was in a state of ambiguity. There was neither life nor death; progression and regression flickered to and fro. Swaying and swaying slowly; this waning and waxing world waited for a hundred million years to cool down. Eventually, Hollows became a part of the circulation of souls." The monk spoke in a matter-of-fact tone; quietly reminiscing about the world that existed before the birth of Hueco Mundo and the World of the Living.

"But before long, Hollows began devouring humans. And so, the circulation ceased. All those souls came together to form a gigantic Hollow, a Menos. The world became completely still. But you know, it's a strange thing. A new life came into being. As if the world itself naturally rejected it, he destroyed it and turned it into sands of reishi; thus, circulation began once again."

"That was the Rei-o of the first era...?"

One of the new recruits involuntarily whispered; but he hurriedly closed his mouth for fear of having said something profane. But the monk nodded and told him not to worry.

"That's right. Others; with special powers, including myself; appeared, but it is fair to say that the Rei-o stood out; his powers very close to omnipotence and omniscience."

The monk paused, recalling the former Rei-o who had already disappeared from this throne.

"As the Rei-o continued to protect the world from the Hollows by annihilating them; to prevent the world from stagnating, the world itself began to slowly sink into chaos."

The monk went on, stroking his beard.

"However, there were those who did not find this state of affairs agreeable. There were five of them. Although not as much as the Rei-o; they were strong. They were the original founders of the Five Great Noble Houses, including the Shiba family."

The monk told them.

Each of them had different motives.

The Tsunayashiro ancestor was afraid that this mighty power would someday be used against them.

The ancestor of the opposing clan said that it was necessary to have a world that would serve as the lid to cover up the 'pit' that would later be known as 'Hell'.

The Kuchiki ancestor believed that a new order was necessary to solidify the world more.

The Shihoin ancestor said that it was necessary to form a larger circulation to advance the stagnant world.

And the Shiba ancestor wanted to explore the path of purification of Hollows rather than destruction; since they too had hearts.

But their widely varying motives strangely led to the same goal in the end; to split the world. A world of order, a world of implementation, also a paradise of sand where Hollows from two sides would end up in.

Perhaps another form of the world would be born, but the essential thing was the clear separation the world of the 'living' from the world of the 'dead'.

In order to turn this division into a reality, what was required was the power of a man who transcended everything.

"Although the Shiba ancestor tried to talk the Tsunayashiro ancestor out of it, it is said that the Rei-o was tied up and sealed within the crystal. The rest of Soul Society's history was witnessed directly by myself."

A man who was later named the Rei-o.

Using his powers of the Almighty as the 'keystone', the five of them created the foundation of a new world. Soul Society, the Material World and Hueco Mundo. Life and death were separated. The Soul Cycle ushered in a new era.

And then, one day, the ones who managed the Soul Society, came to be known as 'Shinigami'.

"Perhaps it was because he could see the far-flung future.... Maybe he could not escape his fear; or maybe he found some hope in the new world.... I don't really understand... But the Rei-o dared not resist it."

Things to know, The World of Souls a.k.a. Soul Society is made completely of Reishi (spiritual matter) which doesn't mix well with Kishi (Matter) by separating a whole existence of spiritual matter, he had to create a world of matter out of nothing since The Real World didn't exist and are made of two different types of matter. Is well known that humans cannot enter the spirit realm without their bodies been turned into spiritual matter or they will die. Muken is another dimension that exists in the afterlife and it's described that stretches for infinity and is a void. Reio's power could destroy said dimension making it again Universal+.

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So...again, How is he going to overpower Beings who are Complex Multiversal to far beyond that and Nigh-omnipotent while in their realms of oblivion?

This is pretty hilarious, I don't see how any of that is going to matter. there are Beings in oblivion who controls over 100,000 universal+ realms and beyond that since they can will it to any size they want.

like I said while they are inside these Realms they are nigh-omnipotent. once Yhwach falls into one of the realms he is at the mercy of the ruling Gods of said realms.

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#56 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mygod101: You're assuming Yhwach is already in the dimension. You're also assuming that Almighty is the only ability he has in his arsenal. You're also assuming he will do nut.

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#57 Posted by XLR87T3 (10036 posts) - - Show Bio

DB wrecks as usual

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#58 Posted by NarutoUzumakiMedakaKurokami (180 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragonborn one slash.

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#59 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1930 posts) - - Show Bio

DB has no impressive feats. Comic Vine doesn't use statements as feats. GG

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#60 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm.

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#61 Posted by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker: "You're assuming Yhwach is already in the dimension. You're also assuming that Almighty is the only ability he has in his arsenal. You're also assuming he will do nut."

Here is the thing, yhwach wasn't able to figure that he was hit with Aizen's hypnosis until way later. Dovahkiin's BFR is "throught based" if he gets sent there it's game over.

Let's assume Yhwach can get out...it wouldn't matter because as soon as he do get out then he gets one shotted. There are so many ways dragonborn wins I'll entertain any ability you think Yhwach has that can least make this not a spite.

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#62 Posted by Godren (3756 posts) - - Show Bio

Best not get in any TES debate, half of it's lore is based off Micheal Kirkbride role-play lol.

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#63 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mygod101 said:

@cocoussybreaker: "You're assuming Yhwach is already in the dimension. You're also assuming that Almighty is the only ability he has in his arsenal. You're also assuming he will do nut."

Here is the thing, yhwach wasn't able to figure that he was hit with Aizen's hypnosis until way later. Dovahkiin's BFR is "throught based" if he gets sent there it's game over.

Let's assume Yhwach can get out...it wouldn't matter because as soon as he do get out then he gets one shotted. There are so many ways dragonborn wins I'll entertain any ability you think Yhwach has that can least make this not a spite.

Aizen used KS on Yhwach 60 chapters before he awoke The Almighty ability from his long slumber that he was recuperating from, he was sealed 1,000 years ago. KS spell once cast on someone Aizen can activate freely in the target wherever he wants without having to use KS spell again. I listed a lot of abilities Yhwach can use to win, but that post was ignored. You will have to list a counter for all of them, assuming they make sense.

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#64 Edited by ReturnofdaBEAST (220 posts) - - Show Bio

DB casually monster stomps with negative infinitex10^999999999999999 difficulty.

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#65 Posted by KingogKings777 (2125 posts) - - Show Bio

Yhwach stomps

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#66 Edited by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker:

"DB has no impressive feats. Comic Vine doesn't use statements as feats. GG"

Michael Kirkbride's OG posts are an integral part of TES lore and are already been added to TES games. "The Many-Headed Talos", "Et'Ada, Eat the Dreamer", "the Monomyth", "Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec - Lesson 37" are just some of the stuffs that originally was only in Imperial Library and then was added to TES game. They are as much a canon as other stuffs in TES. Even the creator of two Canon TES novels visit the Imperial Library for information about TES lore. That should show you how significant MK's influence on TES lore is.

"...the amount of lore is daunting because I don't want to get it wrong or re-invent the wheel. On the other hand, when I had a question about something, I could search the Imperial Library for the answer..." - Greg Keyes

So already, the argument that somehow MK's work are not useable for TES in VS debating is throw out of the window

And Alduin as the World-Eater was going to destroy Nirn itself as confirmed by MK.

"When you consider a place like Tamriel, sometimes it's best to take titles literally. Alduin is the World-Eater. It's not going to be "the end of all *life* as we know it," leaving a barren wasteland of Earthbone dirt... it's going to be the whole of Nirn inside his mighty gullet." - Michael Kirkbride

And before anyone say that Alduin was weakened during Skyrim, you need to realise that Michael Kirkbride was talking about Alduin during Skyrim. As he stated in his third paragraph.

"Unless, of course, there's a loophole. Say, something like the someone called the Dovakhiin happening to show up..."born under uncertain stars to uncertain parents." (An aside for extra credit: what in the Aurbis makes the Prisoner such a powerful mythic figure?)" - Michael Kirkbride

This is clearly referencing Skyrim's storyline. Unless you believe that Yhwach is universal, then he gets one-shotted.

Now, going back to our debate.

"Yhwach's dimension is linked to the afterlife not the mortal universe. He can access the dimension just by entering his own shadow. He can also summon back up."

Okay, but what i'm talking about is range. Can Yhwach return to earth after he's transported an infinite distance away from it? Because Oblivion in lore is an infinite distance away from Nirn.

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmology

About the Almighty, i still stand by my previous point that Almighty is useless against someone who is accasual. The Dovahkiin exist outside of possible future and fate, which is what Almighty's manipulate. When Yhwach tried to see to the future, he is not going to find the Dovahkiin in any of them.

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#67 Edited by CocoUssyBreaker (1930 posts) - - Show Bio

Distance doesn't applied in this case because the way dimension travel in Bleach works by opening a gate > you enter a void and can only walk by creating footholds or you fall into space-time and get lost in another time period. After entering the void you exit on the otherside. Have to comment that only spiritual matter can pass through, people made of matter can die if they try. Almighty doesn't need to work him. It can affect weapons, armor, set traps and change the landscape with a thought.

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#68 Edited by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker:

Okay. Guess there's that.

He won't see his weapons or armors either. That's why the AIOS in the post i quote can't see the Vestige when it tried to find him in every possible futures. Even if we assume that he can see the weapons and armors, he won't be able to do anything to it because most of Dovahkiin's apparels are either Daedric artifacts or Aedric artifacts, and are a part of these Daedric Princes or Aedras. And how are you going to set trap when you don't know the opponent's movement?

Also, tag me next time.

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#70 Edited by Cramem (197 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of use of the word infinite, plane, Space-time, Dimenson, Lore, Kalpas and other complicated words used only to powerscale wank the hell out of any T.E.S street leveler from ancient gods and abstract beings , in every "dragonborn vs Thread"

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Face it. If you want to defeat a chicken in the elder scrolls you need to be atleast 2C Level :)
Why? Because you need to fight it on a conceptual level :)

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#71 Posted by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

@cramem said:

A lot of use of the word infinite, plane, Space-time, Dimenson, Lore, Kalpas and other complicated words used only to powerscale wank the hell out of any T.E.S street leveler from ancient gods and abstract beings , in every "dragonborn vs Thread"

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Face it. If you want to defeat a chicken in the elder scrolls you need to be atleast 2C Level :)

Why? Because you need to fight it on a conceptual level :)

LMFAO

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#72 Posted by Consciouskeeper (2411 posts) - - Show Bio

At the worst case ywach hax planet away and dragnborn floats in space

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#73 Posted by gabrielbelmont (934 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragonborn composite is Universe level+ and has Immeasurable Speed.