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#1 Edited by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio
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Rules

  • Yhwach has access to every tool at his disposal, Schrifts, Almighty, Sternritter abilities, Yama's Bankai. Yhwach is the Soul King.
  • The Last Dragonborn has composite armor and weapon (every armor and weapon in one.) Has access to all obtainable spells, shouts and other special abilities from the game and in lore. Has access to lore feats. No magicka and shout limit, can cast as much as he likes. Access to all perks.
  • Both are in character, morals off and willing to go all out.
  • They will battle in Sovngarde, the battle area is indestructable.

Yhwach has come to destroy all of Tamriel and the Dragonborn is the only one who can stop him, time is running out. They meet at Sovngarde for a final battle. Who wins?

Explain why.

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#2 Posted by FaradaySloth (10083 posts) - - Show Bio

Who and what is the last Dragonborn feats and series

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#3 Posted by ourmanuel (11955 posts) - - Show Bio

Skyrim?

The game didn’t have many hax resistance feats on this level iirc.

He should win but I might be wrong, it’s been years since I’ve touched that game

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#4 Posted by cromulor (2388 posts) - - Show Bio

you’ve made the Dragonborn way too op.

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#6 Posted by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

@cromulor: Yeah I realized this, made Yhwach Soul King.

Tagged some people knowledgeable on Elder Scrolls lore. This seems fair from my POV, both have insane amount of hax.

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#7 Posted by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: TLD is from Skyrim so he has all his abilities and powers from there, as for lore there are various books and game sources.

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#8 Edited by Megafanflash (795 posts) - - Show Bio

"Has access to all spells, shouts and other special abilities from the game and in lore. Has access to lore feats"

Why did you make this.

Does that mean a composite elder scrolls character which happens to be dragon born?

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#9 Posted by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

@megafanflash: Maybe I should have been more clear, they have access to all the abilities that they can obtain themselves ingame and in lore. Not that they have the ability of every single other character ingame.

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#11 Edited by Megafanflash (795 posts) - - Show Bio

OT: The Dragonborn can manipulate time and call down dragons to his disposal. He has several shouts and spells to force his foes to become passive or aggressive/blinded in anger. He can resurrect and summon both the dead and powerful demons. Telekinesis and powerful magical abilities from fireballs and fire rain to spells that turn his enemy into an icicle. Wards/shield that block non-physical attacks and the ability to take a non-physical form, leaving the Dragonborn immune to damage etc. The list goes on and on.

I don't know how relevant the "best" armor is, but the Dragonborn is extraordinary versatile in all other fields, and if the time manipulation is strong enough, the Dragonborn might have a shot..

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#12 Edited by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

This is actually quite an interesting match up. Yhwach certainly have the hax to put down the LDB like the Balance, Antithesis and the Death Dealing. The Almighty will be completely useless since the Dovahkiin is the Prisoner (yes, it's a thing), a tear in a fabric iof time that exist outside of all possible futures and is unbound by the chain of causality and deterministic fate that the Godhead impose throughout the whole of Aurbis. There's also the fact that the Dovahkiin can just mindhax Yhwach or just completely BFR him into Oblivion using Mora's Grasp. There's also Mehrunes' Razor that allow someone like Mankar Camoran to warp the entirety of Aurbis so that he can make himself a Dragonborn. Speed is also a factor since the Dovahkiin vastly outclassed Yhwach in this part (too long to explain). Overall, i'll give this match to the Dovahkiin for his resistance to the Almighty and his overall more powerful hax.

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#13 Posted by Lemperdaging (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Yhwach wrecks.

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#14 Posted by Wot_m8 (414 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragonborn has a lot of weird hax. I think he wins.

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#16 Edited by CocoUssyBreaker (1944 posts) - - Show Bio

Yhwach wins.

Resistant to Conceptual manipulation, paralysis, precognition, fate manipulation, power null, probability manipulation, etc. (To long to list all.)

Almighty Eyes:

* He can affect weapons, set traps, change the environment directly in a thought.

* Can see all futures at once, change a specific "moment" from a future and bring that "event" to the present without any of the "events" leading to that "conclusion" happening.

* All powers he see with Almighty in the future cannot kill him or harm him. They become allies.

* Even when all of his powers are remove, negated, taken or halve Yhwach can return his powers to himself once more.

If Almighty won't work on this foe because of Acasuality, Almighty still works on everything else. It isn't just people that Almighty can affect, but Yhwach himself and the environment before his eyes.

Moving on, Blut Vene Anhaben can shield himself from his foes attacks and if they blow it up, Yhwach's blood will enter their body and consume and absorbed them. Yhwach has two more ways of absorbing by touch and by placing a piece of his soul inside you and taking away your life force with a beam of light afterwards. It isn't made of fictional energy so it can't be absorb or block. (The tree of life failed.)

Yhwach can open portals and use his own shadow to teleport between his own dimension and others, so BFR.

Zanka No Tachi:

* 10 trillion skeletons to fight for him. (Cannot summon all at once or at least was never shown to do. About 20-30 at once.)

* Invisible Sun cloak up to 15 million degrees Celsius. (Legs are the only body part not surrounded by the fire.) + Sword.

* Existence Erasure.

Soul Destruction Arrows. (Foes can't reincarnate, and are remove from the cycle of life and death.) Quincy can make fire hundreds upon thousands of arrows at the same time. (By creating bows, guns, machine guns, giant bows on the air or even using one finger to shoot them like Yhwach.)

* Telekinesis & Telepathy.

* Can revive allies.

* Can create dozen of giant sand statues to fight for him.

* Regeneration. (Shot himself with his own Soul Destruction Arrows on his own heart and regenerated. Uryu also shot him with another arrow on his heart from the back to remove all of his powers, and the arrow didn't killed him even when all of his powers ceased to exist.)

* Light & Darkness Manipulation.

* Summoning back up through his shadow dimension.

* Matter Manipulation

* Biological Manipulation

* Earth Manipulation

* Information Analysis

* Reactive Evolution and Power Mimicry with The Compulsory (Yhwach's nerves can invade the bodies of others to control their movements and forcibly compressing their bodies into compact balls or badly warp their bodies, if his nerves manages to completely invade his opponent's body, Yhwach can near instantly tear them to ribbons. Yhwach can also control inorganic objects such as the ground or buildings and evolve by absorbing information through his nerves and mimicking his target powers and abilities)

* Regeneration (Mid-Low), Healing, Poison Manipulation, Death Manipulation and Reactive Evolution with The Deathdealing (Yhwach can control over any and all 'Lethal Doses' within his range. He alters the dosage of any substance he ingests or tanks, manipulating the 'poison' and either granting himself complete immunity within a single minute or lowering an opponent's resistance to kill or incap them. Furthermore with Askin's Vollständig, Hasshein. Yhwach will automatically adapts to changes in "poison"; as long as the base of the poison remains the same, any surface layer changes will cause Yhwach's immunity to adjust in turn, rendering the poison ineffective)

* Explosion Creation

* Durability Negation and Transmutation with The Explode (His reishi turns whatever it comes in contact with into a bomb)

* Fear Manipulation with The Fear (Yhwach can instill fear in others through his Heilig Pfeil. Furthermore with Äs's Vollständig, Tatarforas. Yhwach only needs eye contact for his ability to work and he can create a dome with multiple eyes all around for a higher chance of success. In addition, one glance is enough to cause fear, closing one's eyes afterwards is no use, because fear has embedded within one's mind),

* Fire Manipulation and Heat Manipulation with The Heat

* Can greatly increases his durability with The Iron

* Can fire off Reishi constructs to forcibly close gateways between dimensions and form Reishi cages to entrap his opponents with The Jail

* Empathic Manipulation with The Love (Yhwach can launch a heart-shaped projectile and anyone hit by this heart will fall in love with him and they will obey every command he gives them)

* Regeneration (Low-Godly), Immortality (Type 3 and 8), Reactive Power Level and Limited Reality Warping with The Miracle (Yhwach can manifest the fears of the masses like fear of not being able to destroy his body into reality. His power works by turning any and all damage, lethal included, into size and power)

* Reactive Power Level with The Overkill (Yhwach can gain might by killing someone, be it enemy, ally, or even beast)

* Can force his opponents to question everything about themselves and their abilities with The Question

* Sound Manipulation with The Roar, Air Generation, Statistics Amplification

* Regeneration (Mid-High) and Immortality (Type 3 and 8) with The Superstar (Yhwach can gain might from the cheers of a crowd)

* Reality Warping (anything fantasy becomes reality, like summoning meteors, cloning himself up to six times with the exact same abilities and power, creating stuff, throwing people to space, making your bones into cookies.)

* Elemental Manipulation

* Death Manipulation

* Stealth Mastery

* Duplication

* Power Bestowal (can bestow any power he wants to others and himself)

* Spatial Manipulation with The Wind (Yhwach can physically bend away the space to avoid attacks from his opponents)

* Durability Negation and Intangibility with The X-Axis (Yhwach can uniformly penetrate anything between his weapon and his target, ignoring obstacles and durability. Futhermore with The X-Axis True Power active, Yhwach is constantly in a state of intangibility, rendering him virtually untouchable even by Shinigami who can interact with spirits and intangible objects)

* Power Mimicry and Shapeshifting with The Yourself (Yhwach can mimic not just the appearance of others but also their memories, knowledge, powers and equipment.

* Yhwach is Invisible to beings that cannot see, hear or touch souls.

Speed usually goes from MHS+ to LS wank. (I won't get into that per say.)

Yhwach King of Solo. You. Cannot. Simply. Overwhelmed. Yhwach.

p.s. this post isn't mine, I found it on another thread and decided to copy paste since it shows Yhwach''s powers in a nutshell.

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#17 Edited by Redshift_Bacon (713 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragonborn is in universe and is seperate from space and time and the restrictions of the Godhead. By Lore he should win this battle but it will be far beyond any other Mortal battle TES has seen.

If you want to make it Composite dragonborn, then you have to include Talos who was the Dragonborn who achieved Chim. At that point theres really nothing Yhwach has thats gonna put him down.

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#18 Posted by silentNightz (626 posts) - - Show Bio

Ywach stomps. I’ve seen nothing in Skyrim that can match his physicals or step to the Almighty. Dude can give himself powers and choose the future. He can literally disarm the Dragonborn from jump if he so chooses

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#19 Posted by reikai (7477 posts) - - Show Bio

@redshift_bacon said:

By Lore he should win this battle but it will be far beyond any other battle TES has seen.

TES-verse has seen far worse than what Bleach ever had. Such as every Daedric Prince ganging up on Jyggalag, and every one of them is base universal to multiversal+. To suggest a toady like Ywach is more than anything TES has seen is quite laughable.

Ywach stomps. I’ve seen nothing in Skyrim that can match his physicals or step to the Almighty. Dude can give himself powers and choose the future. He can literally disarm the Dragonborn from jump if he so chooses

TLD stomped a guy tapping the power of the Eye of Magnus, which can warp and shape reality on a universal scale. All Ywach does is convince himself of his own importance and status. TLD is protected against causality manipulation by Azura. TLD also has time powers and several artifacts that can bend time over a barrel. And according to some, TLD can use Auriel's Bow to hit the sun in a matter of seconds. Which is a speed feat the likes of which Bleach will never come close to.

Ywach can look into the future and see that he's absolutely screwed in all of them.

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#20 Posted by jimcrim (235 posts) - - Show Bio

no doubt, dragonborn wins

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#21 Edited by Coona34 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

How the hell is Yhwach doing squat against Dragonborn with the Almighty when he exists outside of time and space itself? Dumb logic.

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#22 Edited by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker:

*Again, the Almighty wouldn't work. The Dovahkiin's nature is that of the Prisoner, someone who exist beyond fate, causality and possibility. The Prisoner Metaphysic absolutely hard counter the Almighty.

"AIOS: Beginning entity analysis. Entity exists outside known possipoints. Transitioning to general reception array.

"The Prophet: Hello. It's good to see you again. I do see you, in my own way. You are a wound in time, a tear in reality that shouldn't exist and cannot long endure."

*Cool, Become Ethereal counter that Blut power.

*Black Books BFR ability laughed at Yhwach's BFR by transporting him to Oblivion, a realm that even in TES universe, is an infinite distance away from Nirn.

*Those skeletons get absolutely pulverized the moment the Dovahkiin speak. Master of the Thu'um can easily shake the world just by speaking.

"Soon the Greybeards made known that they were restless. Already the storms had begun from their murmurs. The Greybeards were going to Speak. The surrounding villages were abandoned as the people fled the coming blast.

"The villagers warned Talos to turn back, for he was marching to the mountain where the Greybeards dwelt.

"Inside he went, and on seeing him they removed their gags. When they spoke his name the World shook." - Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st Edition/Cyrodiil

*Auriel's Shield grant protection against fire and heat

*Savior's Hide withstand a bloodlusted Mehrunes Dagon's attacks, someone who should scale to Sotha Sil, who once erased Mehrunes Dagon across all point in time using the chrononymic death-word, an Existence Erasure spell that would laugh at Yama's bankai.

"Even then, at the end, the Prince of Destruction did not relent. With the last of his four great arms, Dagon dragged the last of his four great razors across the Watchmaker's jaw. Tasting the blood on His tongue, our Father of Mysteries whispered a final chrononymic death-word, and Dagon exploded throughout all time. The earthbones quaked and the All-Axle shook. From this word of sundering, Truth took root." - The Truth in Sequence, Volume 8

*The Dovahkiin fought against Durnehviir who have the Soul Tear shout. Soul-crushing attacks are nothing new to him

*Poison manipulation gets countered by Savior's Hide, which grant protection to poison. Death manipulation gets countered by Dovahkiin's nature as the Shezzarine.

*Dovahkiin just dodge the reishi bombs since his reaction and combat speed is massively higher than Yhwach's.

*Even common Nord and Imperial has an ability to incite fear and manipulate emotions since birth (Battle Cry and Voice of the Emperor). This is nothing special. He fought against these Nords and Imperials on the daily basis.

*Low-Godly? Mehrunes's Razor ability to send the soul of whoever it struck to Mehrunes Dagon counter this.

*The Question sounds a lot like mind manipulation. If so, then the Dovahkiin resist it since he can resist Miraak's mind control that put hundreds to thousands worth of people under his will.

*Even novice mage can do this. Magic in ES universe works by imposing your will toward the world and changing it. The School of Alteration require one to accept that reality is a falsehood created by some higher power and to convince this higher power to change the reality. Reality warping are a common sight in the Elder Scrolls universe.

"Therefore, when one of we mighty wizards of the Mages Guild casts a Shock spell, what is actually happening? This one explains it as follows: the reality of the Mundus is a great tapestry woven of strands of matter and magicka. A Shock spell channels and manipulates magicka through the local warp and weft of the tapestry, agitating its fibers. This generates sparking, which coalesces into magical lightning. Yes?" - Mora'at's Theory of Lightning

"To master Alteration, first accept that reality is a falsehood. There is no such thing. Our reality is a perception of greater forces impressed upon us for their amusement. "

"To cast Alteration spells is to convince a greater power that it will be easier to change reality as requested than to leave it alone." - Reality and Other Falsehoods

*Again, the Dovahkiin is the Shezzarine. He is a mortal incarnation of Lorkhan, the Space God that became one with the Aurbis and stabilize it as a concept of space. Spatial manipulation won't work against him.

This is not even talking about the Dovahkiin's OP artifacts which can easily one shot or seal Yhwach. And don't even get me started on their AP and speed difference.

Credit to Matthew Schroeder and his blogs for informations.

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#23 Edited by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragonborn pretty much God-Rapes in Power department, and Speed department. Yhwach at best, could be argued is multi-continental level in power maybe a bit higher. As for speed With Wank you can take him to light speed, None of this is going to help him or even faze Dragonborn.

This is literally like Arguing a small Atom vs a Dinosaur.

Dragonborn is literally a Walking Crack in time-space, is 2-C level in power, and has immeasurable speed, Is just as hax if not more hax. There is nothing Yhwach can do here in brute force if he tries he would casually get one shotted. His best bet is using his hax, and Dragonborn has Thought Based Hax as well, can BFR Yhwach into a 6-D Plane of existence and leave him trapped their, Can Mind Rape him with Bends Will. Like Crap this is completely shut down.

I give win To Dragonborn.

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#24 Edited by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

Ywach stomps. I’ve seen nothing in Skyrim that can match his physicals or step to the Almighty. Dude can give himself powers and choose the future. He can literally disarm the Dragonborn from jump if he so chooses

Nope, not even close. Dragonborn has hax that he can active by just a Thought literally. The only Way Ywach Disarms the Dragonborn is if The dragonborn lets him, If He wanted to he can just BFR Ywach into oblivion and leave him there to be tramp slaves for the prince's. FYI, He will not be coming back from that since it is a 6-D separate plane of existence.

Ywach's only chance of stopping that is to interrupt the casting.

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@mygod101: @anobody:

Hey guys, a small warning since you're both kind of new. You can get in trouble on this website for using the word "rape" in the context of "defeat" or "dominate". Try to refrain from phrases like mind rape or the like.

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#26 Posted by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

@mygod101: @anobody:

Hey guys, a small warning since you're both kind of new. You can get in trouble on this website for using the word "rape" in the context of "defeat" or "dominate". Try to refrain from phrases like mind rape or the like.

you right I should coordinate myself better than that, thank you for showing me that I will use better words in the future.

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#27 Edited by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@metaljimmor: Well, i'm pretty sure i never used that word, but thanks for the warning.

Edit: Never mind, i just found the post where i said it. I'll keep this in mind and try to refrain from saying that word in the future.

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#28 Edited by Wanderez (1958 posts) - - Show Bio

If this dude indeed exists outisde of space and time, that pretty much renders Almighty's usage on him and the abilities that come with it such as power null, messing with his futures and dealing damage that cant be repelled even with causalty manipulation. Can Dragonborn put Yhwach down tho? Yhwach still has intangiblity, resurrection and really high regen. Since im not knowledgeable, will existence erasure and matter manipulation do something to Dovakin? And i wouldnt suggest arguing for time manipulation on Yhwach's side either, because SK might be acausal too (IIRC there was something about Mimihagi being acausal in the manga). Also, Yhwach as SK likely lacks a concept of death. Can Dragonborn's reality warping overcome these things?

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#29 Posted by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

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If this dude indeed exists outisde of space and time, that pretty much renders Almighty's usage on him and the abilities that come with it such as power null, messing with his futures and dealing damage that cant be repelled even with causalty manipulation. Can Dragonborn put Yhwach down tho? Yhwach still has intangiblity, resurrection and really high regen. Since im not knowledgeable, will existence erasure and matter manipulation do something to Dovakin? And i wouldnt suggest arguing for time manipulation on Yhwach's side either, because SK might be acausal too (IIRC there was something about Mimihagi being acausal in the manga). Also, Yhwach as SK likely lacks a concept of death. Can Dragonborn's reality warping overcome these things?

Dovakiin, can enslave Yhwach with Bends Wills which is able to work on Concepts.

Dovakiin also, has intangibility, and weapons that ignores durability, can also existence erasure as well. The dragons was like that as well, until the Dovakiin made them feel the concept of Mortality and killed them. Dovakiin doesn't really need to put him down, he can easily just Banish Yhwach to a 6-D plane of existence trapping him there.

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#30 Edited by Wanderez (1958 posts) - - Show Bio

@mygod101: Oh, ok then. Dragonborn stomps with this type of BFR.

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#31 Edited by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Like MYGOD101 said, the Dragonborn can just BFR Yhwach into another dimension using the Black Books. He can also uses Mehrunes Razor to send Yhwach's soul to Mehrunes Dagon, effectively countering his regeneration. Being intangible won't help Yhwach since magic and Tonal Magic such as the Thu'um can easily hurt ghosts, which are intangible.

For your last question, yes, the Dovahkiin can kill Yhwach. Dragonrend shout is a conceptual shout that can impose the concept of mortality to an immortal being. So Yhwach can get killed if the Dovahkiin uses the Dragonrend shout.

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#32 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1944 posts) - - Show Bio

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@wanderez: Like MYGOD101 said, the Dragonborn can just BFR Yhwach into another dimension using the Black Books. He can also uses Mehrunes Razor to send Yhwach's soul to Mehrunes Dagon, effectively countering his regeneration. Being intangible won't help Yhwach since magic and Tonal Magic such as the Thu'um can easily hurt ghosts, which are intangible.

For your last question, yes, the Dovahkiin can kill Yhwach. Dragonrend shout is a conceptual shout that can impose the concept of mortality to an immortal being. So Yhwach can get killed if the Dovahkiin uses the Dragonrend shout.

Yhwach has his own dimension and BFR. Conceptual power negation was already used on Yhwach by Ichibei who named/created everything in the afterlife, and controls all the darkness in the universe. Guess what? Almighty negated power negation.

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#33 Posted by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

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@wanderez: Like MYGOD101 said, the Dragonborn can just BFR Yhwach into another dimension using the Black Books. He can also uses Mehrunes Razor to send Yhwach's soul to Mehrunes Dagon, effectively countering his regeneration. Being intangible won't help Yhwach since magic and Tonal Magic such as the Thu'um can easily hurt ghosts, which are intangible.

For your last question, yes, the Dovahkiin can kill Yhwach. Dragonrend shout is a conceptual shout that can impose the concept of mortality to an immortal being. So Yhwach can get killed if the Dovahkiin uses the Dragonrend shout.

Yhwach has his own dimension and BFR. Conceptual power negation was already used on Yhwach by Ichibei who named/created everything in the afterlife, and controls all the darkness in the universe. Guess what? Almighty negated power negation.

I mean....when you can post a Scan of Yhwach Escaping from a 6-D Separate constructed of existence then we have a debate. Ichibei isn't even close to Dragonborn level of power, even if you say Ichibei is universe level, when he did that.

the Hax Dragonborn has is just far too much for anyone in Bleach, even with the Verse working together.

-Dragonborn is just far too fast for them.

-Dragonborn is far to hax for them.

-Dragonborn is far more durable then them.

Its hard to go against someone who has over 100 ways to win the fight casually just by speaking.

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#34 Edited by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker: Okay, he has his own separate dimension... So what? Oblivion is a dimension that exist an infinite distance away from Earth/Nirn. Until you show me Yhwach's BFR has that far of a range, then his is childsplay.

Almighty power negation require Yhwach to see his target, weapons, or ability from the future. The Prisoner Metaphysic counter this. Being a Prisoner, the Dovahkiin is a walking crack in space-time that exist outside of possible futures and fate. So Almighty power negation gets negated by the Dovahkiin's nature.

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#35 Edited by Wanderez (1958 posts) - - Show Bio

@mygod101: You could argue Almighty operates on 4D scale, but Yhwach isnt getting out of a 6D realm for sure. This ability of Dovahkiin is already enough to stomp, no need for further discussion.

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#36 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate.

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#37 Edited by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Slight correction, Oblivion is actually infinite-D, it's Mundus that is 6-D. Elder Scrolls cosmology is amazingly gigantic.

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#38 Edited by Wanderez (1958 posts) - - Show Bio

@anobody: Well, that kinda makes things even worse xD

And yeah, other than reality warping the easiest way to get past the Almighty is standing outside of time, which is even worse, since you dont even have to do anything.

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#39 Posted by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: IKR. Not to mention that the Prisoner Metaphysic ensure that he will immediately uses the Black Books to BFR Yhwach.

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#40 Edited by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

@anobody said:

@wanderez: Slight correction, Oblivion is actually infinite-D, it's Mundus that is 6-D. Elder Scrolls cosmology is amazingly gigantic.

Can you explain how Mundus is 6-D? I mean 5-D sure yeah, I agree with that, but 6-D just wandering so i'll know for future.

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#41 Edited by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@mygod101:

You can read the explanation here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:2361440?useskin=oasis

Skip to the cosmology part.

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#42 Posted by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

@anobody said:

@mygod101:

You can read the explanation here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:2361440?useskin=oasis

Skip to the cosmology part.

Will do, I will study this till it is etched in my head.

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#43 Edited by deactivated-5cc8317971872 (278 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragonborn wins tho i feel people should be posting scans for him not a lot of people myself included (my knowledge is surface level at best) know enough about Elder Scrolls Lore I'd love to see a thread in maybe Gen Discussion that goes over Dragoborns, Alduins etc. feats and scaling in lore tbh

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#44 Edited by ANobody (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@notcensored: Well, it makes sense. Most people don't really listen to the dialogues or read in-game/out-of-game texts and books. Most of them also think that what they see is all there is for TES in term of power.

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#45 Posted by deactivated-5cdf8e3e9b353 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

After Reading the Cosmology of Elder scroll....it is even worst then I thought. Nirn is "finte" 4-D plane with parallel worlds, and sub realms. Divine Planets are infinitely above Nirn which mean they are 5-D same with the moons just not as big as the divine planets, and Mundus is 6-D.

Oblivion is infinite-D

Dragonborn runs through Yhwach with negative Diff.

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@anobody said:

@cocoussybreaker: Okay, he has his own separate dimension... So what? Oblivion is a dimension that exist an infinite distance away from Earth/Nirn. Until you show me Yhwach's BFR has that far of a range, then his is childsplay.

Almighty power negation require Yhwach to see his target, weapons, or ability from the future. The Prisoner Metaphysic counter this. Being a Prisoner, the Dovahkiin is a walking crack in space-time that exist outside of possible futures and fate. So Almighty power negation gets negated by the Dovahkiin's nature.

Yhwach's dimension is linked to the afterlife not the mortal universe. He can access the dimension just by entering his own shadow. He can also summon back up.Almighty negated power negation already even when the Almighty was not activated.

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@mygod101 said:
@cocoussybreaker said:

@anobody said:

@wanderez: Like MYGOD101 said, the Dragonborn can just BFR Yhwach into another dimension using the Black Books. He can also uses Mehrunes Razor to send Yhwach's soul to Mehrunes Dagon, effectively countering his regeneration. Being intangible won't help Yhwach since magic and Tonal Magic such as the Thu'um can easily hurt ghosts, which are intangible.

For your last question, yes, the Dovahkiin can kill Yhwach. Dragonrend shout is a conceptual shout that can impose the concept of mortality to an immortal being. So Yhwach can get killed if the Dovahkiin uses the Dragonrend shout.

Yhwach has his own dimension and BFR. Conceptual power negation was already used on Yhwach by Ichibei who named/created everything in the afterlife, and controls all the darkness in the universe. Guess what? Almighty negated power negation.

I mean....when you can post a Scan of Yhwach Escaping from a 6-D Separate constructed of existence then we have a debate. Ichibei isn't even close to Dragonborn level of power, even if you say Ichibei is universe level, when he did that.

the Hax Dragonborn has is just far too much for anyone in Bleach, even with the Verse working together.

-Dragonborn is just far too fast for them.

-Dragonborn is far to hax for them.

-Dragonborn is far more durable then them.

Its hard to go against someone who has over 100 ways to win the fight casually just by speaking.

"Escaping from a 6-D Separate constructed of existence " why is this stopping Yhwach from entering his own dimension that he created which can only be accessed by a void creating footholds to not fall eternity? I didn' said Ichibei was universal. The character said he controls all the darkness in the universe, so no matter if you steal his powers as Yhwach did, he can still use the rest of the darkness left in the world.

I'll let Yhwach explain it himself

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@cocoussybreaker said:
@mygod101 said:
@cocoussybreaker said:

@anobody said:

@wanderez: Like MYGOD101 said, the Dragonborn can just BFR Yhwach into another dimension using the Black Books. He can also uses Mehrunes Razor to send Yhwach's soul to Mehrunes Dagon, effectively countering his regeneration. Being intangible won't help Yhwach since magic and Tonal Magic such as the Thu'um can easily hurt ghosts, which are intangible.

For your last question, yes, the Dovahkiin can kill Yhwach. Dragonrend shout is a conceptual shout that can impose the concept of mortality to an immortal being. So Yhwach can get killed if the Dovahkiin uses the Dragonrend shout.

Yhwach has his own dimension and BFR. Conceptual power negation was already used on Yhwach by Ichibei who named/created everything in the afterlife, and controls all the darkness in the universe. Guess what? Almighty negated power negation.

I mean....when you can post a Scan of Yhwach Escaping from a 6-D Separate constructed of existence then we have a debate. Ichibei isn't even close to Dragonborn level of power, even if you say Ichibei is universe level, when he did that.

the Hax Dragonborn has is just far too much for anyone in Bleach, even with the Verse working together.

-Dragonborn is just far too fast for them.

-Dragonborn is far to hax for them.

-Dragonborn is far more durable then them.

Its hard to go against someone who has over 100 ways to win the fight casually just by speaking.

"Escaping from a 6-D Separate constructed of existence " why is this stopping Yhwach from entering his own dimension that he created which can only be accessed by a void creating footholds to not fall eternity? I didn' said Ichibei was universal. The character said he controls all the darkness in the universe, so no matter if you steal his powers as Yhwach did, he can still use the rest of the darkness left in the world.

I'll let Yhwach explain it himself

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No....I just going to say he can't. Because once you are sent to the Realm of oblivion you are at the mercy of the Gods who controls said realms you fall into. So...unless you think Yhwach is going to overpower the Gods there who ranges from universal, to Complex Mulitversal, to far beyond that depending on which Realm he goes to...then he isn't coming back.

I was wrong about Oblivion, it isn't 6-D, Mundus is 6-D. Oblivion is Infinite-Dimensional.

Like I said that their are Daedra who rule their own Realm and are 4-D they are the weakest in oblivion. Above them are the Daedric prince who range from complex Multiversal, to few tiers Beyond that level of power. so like I said unless you think Yhwach is overpowering any one of these guys then he isn't coming back ever.

Maybe he could get lucky and who ever realm he falls into they show mercy to him but that is highly unlikely.