The Last Dragonborn vs The Tarnished

VS

Both have access to all gear, but know nothing about each other. They only are carrying what they can realistically carry, and not what game mechanics allow. Priority should be given to all gear, spells, shouts, ashes of war, etc. that are attained during the main quest.

No knowledge of each other

Win by any means

Fight takes place on grassy hills, surrounded by mountains.

Let's hope a certain someone doesn't find a respect thread on one of these guys and wanks them to high heavens...

Anyways, probably Dragonborn. Time stop is a huge bonus in the DB's favor that I don't see the Tarnished bypassing.

DragonBorn wins handily here.

Between Slow Time, an Unrelenting Force shout that scales hugely above the average Nordic Tongues' ability to besiege fortresses with their voice, multiple elemental attacks and the ability to become intangible, plus being skilled enough to contend with dragons with a mortal body, the Dovahkiin is an incredible opponent. I can't speak for the Tarnished's capabilities as I know nothing about them but they'll need to be bringing a lot to the table here.

I see everyone ignored that priority should be given to shouts earned through the main quest, and went right to saying he uses Slow Time…

I said priority should be given to main quest related powers and gear, because those are the only ones we can say with any confidence that TLD would have access to in canon.

@kaore: Just to give you an idea on the scope of enemies The Tarnished faces off against. He has to take on four Giant Golems, all a good 75-100’ tall, all at the same time, that are all wielding weapons as tall as they are. The last one, has a long bow as tall as he is, and shoots arrows at him, that are all a good 20’-30’ long, and as thick as telephone poles. All of their weapons are on fire, and explode when they strike anything. Underneath their armor, they are also on fire, and explode with fire when The Tarnished hits them.

These are early game cannon fodder that stand in your way to get to an actual boss.

The Tarnished is functionally immortal for starters, and their regeneration is such that even much weaker tarnished like Ensha can rip out their own skeleton and use it as armor. They're so much harder to kill than normal tarnished that deathblight doesn't permanently kill them. As seen with Rogier and D it's normally able to negate the regeneration of those who have grace. This is never the case with the player character, and no matter how many times they are killed by deathblight it's never able to negate their immortality.

The Tarnished, besides being empowered further by runes, also has the Great Runes of Godrick, Radahn, Malenia (said Great Rune was also infected by the scarlet rot), Morgott, Mohg, and Rykard. Accumulating the power of six different demi-gods on his journey to repair the Elden Ring.

As for the spells available to him:

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Magic+Spells

There are a lot.

They range from elemental evocation, manipulation of the Rune of Death, illusions so powerful that they can actually hurt people, and by that I don't mean scare them to death, I mean that they inflict actual wounds on people, nearly every glintstone spell, this includes the lost primeval sorcery, and lunar sorcery, and every fundamentalist incantation. He also learns the gravitational magic as Radahn, and all of the spells of the Onyx Lords. On top of this he also accumulates the power of every dragon he encounters by eating their hearts. Including that of the Dragon Lord Placidusax. As a result this also transformed The Tarnished into a draconic hybrid, and he is able to the summon the spirits of all dragons that he has devoured.

In theory he should also exist outside the limitations of the space-time continuum. Just like all the ancient dragons. Which means time manipulation is not likely to work against him.

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Somber+Ancient+Dragon+Smithing+Stone

Ancient dragonrock smithing stone drained of color. A scale of the Ancient Dragonlord, and hidden treasure of Farum Azula.

Strengthens special armaments to +10.

The Ancient Dragonlord's seat is said to lie beyond time. This stone lightly twists time, allowing the creation of a weapon capable of slaying a god.

Besides being able to channel the essence of every dragon he has eaten? He has the ability to summon even more spirits to aid him in battle.

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Spirit+Ashes

There are a lot of these as well.

Out of all his feats? His greatest is defeating the Elden Beast. Who was the envoy of the Greater Will itself, and an avatar of it. The Greater Will is the most powerful Outer God. He also defeated Malenia after she became a true goddess.

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Scarlet+Aeonia

Technique of Malenia, the Goddess of Rot.

Creates a gigantic flower that blooms into an explosion of scarlet rot.

Each time the scarlet flower blooms, Malenia's rot advances. It has bloomed twice already. With the third bloom, she will become a true goddess.

As we already know she achieves this when The Tarnished fights her.

Both Malenia as a full goddess, and Godfrey the First Elden Lord acknowledge his might. As a true Elden Lord. After being defeated by him.

On top of this he can also become a vessel for the Frenzied Flame. Who is arguably one of the few Outer Gods who can match the Greater Will, and at that point he can outright destroy the Elden Ring. Then leave the Erdtree in ashes.

Tarnished one shots. Dragonborn can win, but it is just outrageously unlikely cause he has to use specific abilities. Basic requirements to beat Elden Ring lore wise >>> basic requirements to beat Skyrim lore wise. The character should be plenty more powerful. Alduin as shown in the game was kind of trash.

The problem with limiting either character to only powers and abilities they pick up in the main story is that they aren't meant to be looked at as linear worlds with only one path to power. That's why Elden ring has 6 endings, that's why skyrim has so many different quest lines based on your chosen play style. Personal opinion? the Dragonborn wins any fight based on superior perks given to them by leveling up in addition to whatever combination of up to 16 different enchantments across all armor, weapons and jewelry, in addition to having vastly superior stealth skills, potentially limitless magic, and armor and weapons capable of practically limitless power increases whereas the tarnished is limited to the armor at its base form and whose weapons have limited capability to be upgraded.

And yes, the entire list of shouts SHOULD be taken into account because whether you find them by chance or ask about locations from the greybeards, it is part of who the dragonborn is to collect all the words of power. Why else do the words seemingly draw you in the way the magic coming from the walls appear the way it does? plus you're deliberatly nerfing the dragonborn because only a fraction of the shouts in the game are given as part of quests and the ones that give the dragonborn their greatest edge aren't among them.

Dragonborns wins Especially if were are talking about in Lore.

Yes, The Tarnished is immortal...but that is because Miraka messed everything up when she took away Death and gave it to her right hand man...and the elden Tree isn't taking anymore dead.

Other than that you can be defeated out cold for who knows how long.

This is a complete mismatch Dragonborn fights universal+ beings and is a walking Crack in space-time...while Tarnished as powerful as he is His most powerful person he fights is StarScourge Radahn Who can Spoiler Hold Back Thousands of Stars/Meteors...Take your pick on what you want to call it in Game Renni Wanted to you defeat Radahn Because of her Destiny being stopped by Radahn

I'll Say Dragon born Wins...But after playing that game i'll say i'd much rather Live in Elder scrolls than in Elden Ring too much messed up things in Elden Ring.

Man I love both games but sadly I can't say much here cause as always I'm limited in ES lore. If I had to guess I'd say Dragonborn cause ES lore scaling and feats are insane from what I've heard.

@northstrider: Their immortality is tied to them being, as stated in the opening dialogue, "Dead who yet live" which lables the tarnished as undead. The necromage perk in skyrim increases the effectiveness of all magic, enchantment, and potion effects against undead, which includes the abilities to drain health from the tarnished into the Dragonborn, and elemental damage that would deplete the tarnished's FP and stamina reserves as well as dealing cold damage that slows them down physically. Also being undead would not make them immune to effects of a soul trap spell or the soul tear shout, which would trap the tarnished inside (lets aim high) a daedric artifact the Dark Star until their soul was used in an enchantment. then its sent to the Soul Cairn, where the Erdtree has to power. additinally with the right enchantments and armor the DB is capable of limitless magicka as well as complete mobility with all but their legendary level spells. Also, and Breton DB would have an inherent 50% resistance to all magic, in additon to 30% resistance from max level alteration perks and an alteration spell that negates 80% physical damage meaning that the tarnished would, for at least a duration of the fight, only being fighting at 20% their maximum power

the Dragonborn's stealth skills combined with illusion magic would basically turn any fight against the tarnished into a game of hide and seek with the DB able to strike from quite a distance (as proven in many videos) with a bow. a bow that with the, admittedly, broken alchemy/smithing/enchanting system, has the potential to shoot arrows with nearly limitless power BEFORE taking into account the x3 bonus the dragonborn gets from striking from stealth with a bow. Even without that, the muffle/invisibility spell combo in conjunction with maxed stealth skills and perks, the dragonborn could sneak up behind the tarnished with a (again overly broken game mechanic) uber power sword for x6 damage or a dagger with x15 damage as well as being able to poison the tarnished using the perk involved with the pickpocket skills

The (broken) system of crafting armor basically makes the dragonborn physically unkillable by any weapons by themselves in conjunction with perk bonuses for wearing matching set and wearing all of your chosen armor type. while their own weapons, in addition to being nearly limitless in their potential power, have perks that deal up to double damage with a sword, bleeding damage with axes, or ignoring up to half the tarnished's armor with maces/warhammers, without taking into account any of MANY enchantments able to be applied to everything the dragonborn wears and wields, plus a ring and amulet, plus blessings from the shrines of the divine, standing stones, daedric blessings and boosts.

And, of all your comments, the fact that you bring up that the tarnished becomes a dragon-hybrid if consumed so many dragonhearts, against a being that EATS DRAGON'S SOULS. The ending fight with Mirrak proves that it isnt only physical dragons that the Dragonborn can take souls from as after his defeat the DB absorbed Mirrak's soul. So in a hypothetical fight between the dragonborn and a dragon-hybrid tarnished? the Tarnished isn't waking up at a grace, their going to power the DB.

@ravynwulf89: Tarnished and Those Who Live in Death are completely different in Elden Ring. Tarnished are brought back to life by the power of grace. Those Who Live in Death are the undead who have been corrupted by the Cursemark of Death. Through Godwyn's corpse which has tainted some parts of the Lands Between. The Tarnished also does not have the soul of a dragon. Just the body of one if they eat their hearts. There is no reason to assume the Dovahkiin would absorb their soul. Soul Trap might work though.

@northstrider: The Tarnished are identified as Ye Dead who yet live, a completely different type of entity than those of live in death, but that may not mean they themselves are not also undead, similar to the differences between Draugr/Skeletons and Vampires in Skyrim. One just happens to look prettier than the other and by their Grace are able to return to their bodies without decay, but that is still a form of undeath and would follow in the path of most of the other From Software player characters.

I will admit their is some ambiguity in the text for the continued consumption of dragon hearts and turning the tarnished into a dragon physically so that would come down to nitty gritty details into whether the change goes more than skin deep. if it does, than my theory holds, if not then you are correct

The Tarnished are not undead. They are brought back to life truly with no strings attached. It is those who are brought back by Death Root or by the Cursemark of Death that are undead. Who appear as undead abomination like Tibia Mariners, and D who is himself Tarnished, is a hunter of Those Who Live in Death. Gurranq, who is also Maliketh, makes this clear distinction as well. As he does not consider The Tarnished and Those Who Live in Death as the same beings. He was the guardian of the Rune of Death, and would know the most about this. The immortality of the Tarnished comes from grace. Which hails from the Erdtree and the Elden Ring. However, the Rune of Death was long since separated from it and can only be returned to it after defeating Maliketh.

TLD stomps regardless of how you want to spin it.

Last Dragonborn stomps , a rare case of Elder Scrolls Finally being pitted against a verse similar to it finally , TLD wins via both the lore and even if you restrict everything to gameplay .

Tarnished godstomps

tld

@northstrider: I have read other theories saying that the Tarnished are undead drawn to the life giving power of the erdtree and looked down upon by the living. but giving you the complete benefit of the doubt, then ill simply stand by my theory that the Tarnished could be defeated by using either the soul trap spell or, for a potentially lethal move, the soul tear shout, both of which bind the Tarnished's soul into a black soul gem or Black Star of Azura, after use which sends them to Soul Cairn where the Erdtree would not be able to resurrect them. A simple way to picture it for other readers would be the Tarnished's soul exists in a big gold pool full of the souls of the other Tarnished, the DB casts soul trap, basically plucking the soul out of that pool for the duration the spell is active. Once the Tarnished's body is killed, the person who plucked the soul out basically gets to put it in their pocket until theyre ready to use it. Then once its been used, it gets tossed into a big dark purple pool instead of the gold pool

Probably the simplest way for the Last Dragonborn to win, cast Waterbreathing or be an argonian, then pull the tarnished into deep water. Fight over

It's a major plot point. The undead exist in the Lands Between, but they are persecuted by everyone who has grace. Grace is the source of immortality, and has no connection to the Rune of Death. Which is why hunters of the undead like D exist. Their leader is Gurranq. The Beast Priest. Who is actually Maliketh in disguise, and he is trying to retrieve all the lost fragments of the Rune of Death. The undead came to be as a result of Godwyn's corpse corrupting parts of their continent. His corpse bears the Cursemark of Death. As it lies underneath the earth in the Deeproot Depths. Gurranq enlists in the aid of Tarnished individuals in hunting Those Who Live in Death.

Undead are actually unique in that they have no souls. Godwyn is undead specifically because he does not have a soul, and only has the half of the Cursemark of Death which kills the soul. You see, the Rune of Death comes in two aspects. That which kills the body, and that which kills the soul. Godwyn became undead as a result of the half of it that kills the soul. Ranni died because she bore the half of it that destroyed the body, but persisted as a disembodied spirit that possessed a doll.

However, I don't remember much in the way of resistance to soul manipulation for The Tarnished and since they are not undead they should have souls in some capacity. That's why I said Soul Trap might work earlier.

Though as I noted even Deathblight doesn't work against the Tarnished. And it is a result of the half of the Cursemark of Death that destroys your soul and transforms you into an undead monstrosity. Not unlike Death Root.

The Tarnished

Gross amount of Elden Ring wank 🤢

Dovahkiin scales to Grey Beards, one or two at most FUS RO DAH's to kill the Tarnished even if they could survive two they would be knocked down and easily finished by Mehrunes Dagger which irc is an instant kill according to lore and has Daedric Prince lvl power which would shit stomp infinite amount of Elden Ring universes.

Lmfao at the comment above me

ER wankers be seething.

Mehrunes Dagon was pleased that I was able to recover the once-great artifact from its resting place. He has taken the dagger and infused it once again with his power. As I have proven myself a worthy bearer of the weapon, Mehrunes Dagon has given me the restored Razor.

The runes mention the ability of the razor to instantly send a struck foe to Oblivion through Dagons' wrath. This corroborates many tales of the weapon, but can it really be so powerful as to kill instantly?

Dagon whose enchantments can kill anyone not Daedric Prince level

however, that the ritual does not protect the Huntsman from the potent energies of his own Spear, and cautions against reckless wielding of the Spear in close melee, darkness, or other dangerous circumstances, for a single touch of the Spear of Bitter Mercy means instant and certain death for innocent Hare or fellow Huntsman alike.

The right to name a Wild Hunt is a grand and grave right indeed, as all but the High Daedra Lords are vulnerable to the potent sorceries of the Spear of Bitter Mercy. The Spear itself is therefore a terrible weapon, and it is forbidden to remove it from the Grounds of the Ritual Hunt.

Dovahkiin by mid game already no sells words that shake a mountain

Todd Howard:The greybeards, the guys who live up on the throat of the world, who are the masters of the voice, they find out about this fairly quickly, and they shout your name.They shout Dovahkiin to the wind, and it kind of rumbles through the world. The mountains shake when they call you.And you think ‘what was that,’ and someone says ‘that was the greybeards calling you. To walk the 7,000 steps up the throat of the world to meet them.'”

So what's the Tarnished going to do?

Peepee himself?

Shit himself perhaps?

One thing that honestly gives the Dragonborn the edge is the vast variety of stealth skills. Illusion spells plus maxed out sneak skills basically make the DB a ghost capable of sneaking up and assassinating the tarnished with x6 or x15 damage in close range as well as sniping them from a ridiculous distance with their extremely OP bow or crossbow with enchantments capable of doing x3 damage, not including additional damage from specific enchantments on the weapons. And if the tarnished tried to use any of their limited stealth against the DB they have detect life/detect undead spells that reveal hidden enemies even through walls. and the cherry on top of it all, the DB with maxed out pickpocket skills could literally take the very weapons, armor, equipment and flasks off of them without them knowing it so they could literally find themselves completely unarmed against an enemy who even if physically disarmed, can summon weapons from Oblivion or use their magic without needing seals or staves

Dovahkiin with Mehrunes Dagger and Saviors Hide can literally solo everyone in Elden Rings.

Notice that Elden Ring fanboys don't even give a valid reason as to why the Tarnished wins.

@i_v_l: thats what ive been waiting for. Ive given specific reasons why the Dragonborn wins in this fight but they haven't found a way around them. In lore and in gameplay the Dragonborn defeats Tsun, god of trials, and Alduin, the world eater son of the God of time who has only been defeated by Shor, the creator of Mundas, in the past. And that was before he was feeding on the souls of the dead to power himself. Then he defeats Mirrak, the first dragonborn who survived 4500 years in a plane of oblivion that would have driven anyone else mad after a few days. Coupled with the 16 different daedric artifacts, weapons, armor, and equipment that are gifts from dark gods, and a couple of other godly weapons such as the staff of magnus (the God of Magic) and Auriel's bow, which has the power of the sun when its not capable of blotting out the sun! and thats not taking into account their ability to have infinite magic, stealth that could kill without being seen either right behind them or from a couple hundred yards away, and armor that no weapon the tarnished wields can break through

The Grey Beard shout you're gushing over doesn't compare to Radahn literally holding a bunch of constellations in place with his gravity magic, and they're a mid-boss for the Tarnished. They also take his Great Rune.

While it is true that the Last Dovahkiin is powerful? This feat isn't the one that proves they're more powerful than The Tarnished. In fact, it's a pretty garbage one by comparison to literally holding thousands of stars in place.

@northstrider said:

The stars are definitely real ones. Since there has been extensive study on them by both the mages of Nokron and Nokstella, the Astrologers, and the Glintstone Sorcerers. They even differentiate between comets, meteors, shooting stars, and stars; and they all have different spells relevant to drawing power from each one. Spells that actually draw power from the stars or starlight rely on the primeval current, and only four sorcerers still practice it. Including Sellen, Azur, Lusat, and Wilhelm. The Carian Royals also used telescopes to study their cosmology, and discern fate as written in the stars.

Radahn himself specifically used the spell Collapsing Stars to stop the movement of them, and it's magic he learned from the Onyx Lords. Otherwise known as the Alabaster Lords. The same gravity magic he always uses.

What fell in Limegrave wasn't a meteorite either. It was starlight, similar to how Founding Rain of Stars uses the amber of stars, and we don't actually see any signs of a meteorite at the bottom of the hole it makes. There's also weird gravitational anomalies near the site, and rubble floating upwards towards the sky. The reason the starlight hit that exact area is because by defeating Radahn? Ranni's fate was allowed to continue. Quite literally it was the intervention of fate that causes this. Not any kind of meteorite, and fate is synonymous with the stars and starlight. The former of which is able to rain down amber. Which is another name for the starlight.

As I noted before everything with Radahn had to do with fate, and that's the whole reason why you have to kill him in Ranni's questline. It had nothing do with a meteorite.

"Well, well... Seluvis is not a name I ever wanted to hear again... But, fine. If it will help you, my apprentice, I offer my knowledge. The stars alter the fate of the Carian royal family. And the fate of your mistress, Ranni. But long ago, General Radahn challenged the swirling constellations, and in a crushing victory, arrested their cycles. Now, he is the force that repulses the stars. If General Radahn were to die, the stars would resume their movement. And so, too, would Ranni's destiny."

- Sellen

The hidden treasure of the Eternal City of Nokron; a blade said to have been born of a corpse.

This blood-drenched fetish is proof of the high treason committed by the Eternal City and symbolizes its downfall.

Cannot be wielded by those without a fate, but is said to be able to harm the Greater Will and its vassals.

- Fingerslayer Blade

Sellen goes into detail about amber here. It's the life-force of stars and the Erdtree respectively, and there's two types.

Amber being the vitality of a star, or the energy of it. Not the star itself. Similarly, the Erdtree and the Elden Beast have their own starlight. Due to being emissaries of the Greater Will.

Radahn being defeated by the Tarnished One is also NOT a point against him. As the tarnished are empowered by grace and runes. Which come directly from the Elden Ring, and by the time you fight Radahn you already have at least one Great Rune. And Great Runes are fragments of the Elden Ring. The Tarnished One also slays the Elden Beast. Which was so powerful it could create entire constellations, and we see in that exact same fight that the Greater Will has spread its influence across countless worlds or possibly even universes. As there is more than one Erdtree, and we know the Numens for example come from another world. The same world Marika came from.

"The face of the Numen, supposed descendants of denizens of another world. Long-lived but seldom born."

- Elden Ring, Character Creation

Grace the dwells within the inhabitants of the Lands Between; the lingering residue of gold.

Use to gain a multitude of runes.

The Numen are said to have come from outside the Lands Between, and are in fact of the same stock as Queen Marika herself.

- Elden Ring, Numen's Rune

Okina is also from Ashina. Which connects Sekiro to Elden Ring. Though due to a mistranslation that reference was lost in translation from Japanese to English.

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Your only counter for their immortality was soul manipulation. Which might not even work since Deathblight is useless against them, and can't override it. Despite the fact it's literally powered by the half of the Cursemark of Death that destroys souls and turns people into undead.

Also, lmao. How in the world are you going to drown an immortal? People complaining about "Elden Ring" wank but we've seriously got people in this thread who think water can hard counter immortality.

@northstrider:

While it is true that the Last Dovahkiin is powerful? This feat isn't the one that proves they're more powerful than The Tarnished. In fact, it's a pretty garbage one by comparison to literally holding thousands of stars in place.

is that his best scaling? Multi Solar System level?

Your only counter for their immortality was soul manipulation

what kind of immortality , Reliant/Transcendental or just regenerative?

Instant death doesn't permanently kill the Tarnished. Even Deathblight, which can typically kill other immortals in Elden Ring (specifically by messing around with their souls), can't permanently kill the player character. And it's literally powered by death itself. Which is a fragment of the Greater Will's power. The same Greater Will who created everything in possibly the multiverse.

False equivalence. Two completely different weapons, and one the Dovahkiin doesn't have access to. Only the Nerevarine got this in Tribunal.

No, it goes much higher than that. Since the Tarnished is able to slay the Elden Beast. Which was an avatar of the Greater Will. Which created the multiverse.

Divine in origin, and derived from grace. Which comes from the Elden Ring/Greater Will. In the player character's case they're so hard to kill that neither the Scarlet Rot or Deathblight. Both of which are powered by an Outer God. Can actually put them down for good, and they immediately respawn after being afflicted with either.

@northstrider said:

@i_v_l said:

Dovahkiin by mid game already no sells words that shake a mountain

Todd Howard:The greybeards, the guys who live up on the throat of the world, who are the masters of the voice, they find out about this fairly quickly, and they shout your name.They shout Dovahkiin to the wind, and it kind of rumbles through the world. The mountains shake when they call you.And you think ‘what was that,’ and someone says ‘that was the greybeards calling you. To walk the 7,000 steps up the throat of the world to meet them.'”

So what's the Tarnished going to do?

Peepee himself?

Shit himself perhaps?

The Grey Beard shout you're gushing over doesn't compare to Radahn literally holding a bunch of constellations in place with his gravity magic, and they're a mid-boss for the Tarnished. They also take his Great Rune.

While it is true that the Last Dovahkiin is powerful? This feat isn't the one that proves they're more powerful than The Tarnished. In fact, it's a pretty garbage one by comparison to literally holding thousands of stars in place.

@northstrider said:

The stars are definitely real ones. Since there has been extensive study on them by both the mages of Nokron and Nokstella, the Astrologers, and the Glintstone Sorcerers. They even differentiate between comets, meteors, shooting stars, and stars; and they all have different spells relevant to drawing power from each one. Spells that actually draw power from the stars or starlight rely on the primeval current, and only four sorcerers still practice it. Including Sellen, Azur, Lusat, and Wilhelm. The Carian Royals also used telescopes to study their cosmology, and discern fate as written in the stars.

Radahn himself specifically used the spell Collapsing Stars to stop the movement of them, and it's magic he learned from the Onyx Lords. Otherwise known as the Alabaster Lords. The same gravity magic he always uses.

What fell in Limegrave wasn't a meteorite either. It was starlight, similar to how Founding Rain of Stars uses the amber of stars, and we don't actually see any signs of a meteorite at the bottom of the hole it makes. There's also weird gravitational anomalies near the site, and rubble floating upwards towards the sky. The reason the starlight hit that exact area is because by defeating Radahn? Ranni's fate was allowed to continue. Quite literally it was the intervention of fate that causes this. Not any kind of meteorite, and fate is synonymous with the stars and starlight. The former of which is able to rain down amber. Which is another name for the starlight.

As I noted before everything with Radahn had to do with fate, and that's the whole reason why you have to kill him in Ranni's questline. It had nothing do with a meteorite.

"Well, well... Seluvis is not a name I ever wanted to hear again... But, fine. If it will help you, my apprentice, I offer my knowledge. The stars alter the fate of the Carian royal family. And the fate of your mistress, Ranni. But long ago, General Radahn challenged the swirling constellations, and in a crushing victory, arrested their cycles. Now, he is the force that repulses the stars. If General Radahn were to die, the stars would resume their movement. And so, too, would Ranni's destiny."

- Sellen

The hidden treasure of the Eternal City of Nokron; a blade said to have been born of a corpse.

This blood-drenched fetish is proof of the high treason committed by the Eternal City and symbolizes its downfall.

Cannot be wielded by those without a fate, but is said to be able to harm the Greater Will and its vassals.

- Fingerslayer Blade

Sellen goes into detail about amber here. It's the life-force of stars and the Erdtree respectively, and there's two types.

Amber being the vitality of a star, or the energy of it. Not the star itself. Similarly, the Erdtree and the Elden Beast have their own starlight. Due to being emissaries of the Greater Will.

Radahn being defeated by the Tarnished One is also NOT a point against him. As the tarnished are empowered by grace and runes. Which come directly from the Elden Ring, and by the time you fight Radahn you already have at least one Great Rune. And Great Runes are fragments of the Elden Ring. The Tarnished One also slays the Elden Beast. Which was so powerful it could create entire constellations, and we see in that exact same fight that the Greater Will has spread its influence across countless worlds or possibly even universes. As there is more than one Erdtree, and we know the Numens for example come from another world. The same world Marika came from.

"The face of the Numen, supposed descendants of denizens of another world. Long-lived but seldom born."

- Elden Ring, Character Creation

Grace the dwells within the inhabitants of the Lands Between; the lingering residue of gold.

Use to gain a multitude of runes.

The Numen are said to have come from outside the Lands Between, and are in fact of the same stock as Queen Marika herself.

- Elden Ring, Numen's Rune

Okina is also from Ashina. Which connects Sekiro to Elden Ring. Though due to a mistranslation that reference was lost in translation from Japanese to English.

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@northstrider said:

@takenstew22 said:

Something something video game/lore statements something something universal-multiversal.

OT: Gonna have to get to Radahn to make my judgement.

Speaking of which though. The Greater Will is confirmed to be the creator of literally everything by Hyetta, who is the voice of the Frenzied Flame. After which it created fractures, births, and souls.

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"Thank... thank you... I have touched them. The words of the Three Fingers. As your maiden, allow me to divine them. All that there is came from the One Great. Then came fractures, and births, and souls. But the Greater Will made a mistake. Torment, despair, affliction... every sin, every curse. Every one, born of the mistake. And so, what was borrowed must be returned. Melt it all away, with the yellow chaos flame. Until all is One again."

Pure wank lol, the Rahdan the Tarnished fights doesn't use his full power on the tarnished the Rahdan he fights is the one that gets harmed by fodder knights with spears (1:13)

Not only that you don't even know Mehrunes Dagger and the Bitter Spear are both creations of Dagon but the Dagger is the strongest since it's actually infused with his power and unique unlike the multiple copies of spears he has.

The Tarnished will get sent to Oblivion from one strike regardless of his "death immunity" he's fidder to the Daedric princes.

The rest of your post is trying to scale shitty Elden Ring cosmology ignoring the fact everyone and their mother by the time the Tarnished fights are only a shadow of their former selves thanks to Malenia's rot.

You also can't quantify the Greater Wills Avatar, it's only feat is getting fodderized by garbage Tarnished.

Wank wank wank

One of the incantations of the Golden Order fundamentalists.

Used by hunters of Those Who Live in Death.

Alleviates death blight buildup.

The noble Goldmask lamented what had become of the hunters.

How easy it is for learning and learnedness to be reduced to the

ravings of fanatics; all the good and the great wanted, in their

foolishness, was an absolute evil to contend with.

Does such a notion exist in the fundamentals of Order?

You're making up shit to wank Elder Ring to high heaven multiversal when they're not even close, also posting quotes out of context and lying about the Tarnished defenses

Yeah the Elder Ring dude is a wanker, he uses the Elder Ring cosmology with the characters at their peak but ignores that the Tarnished was fighting watered down versions that were getting harmed by fodded (Rahdan literally splurts blud from getting impaled by a random knight)

And Rahdan never used his star level gravity on anyone on the planet so Tarnished doesn't scale to that at all. Tarnished based on actual feats is building level at the most

Soul rot and all that stuff, no matter it's origin, is still just a form or poison, which the last dragonborn gets a 50% resistance to if they level their alchemy up high enough. In addition whenever you use a healing spell in skyrim it removes negative effects like poison or bleeding from effecting them.

Also I don't believe the tarnished has any resistance to the wabbajack lol. Gets turned into a rabbit, killed, and is resurrected into their rabbit body? Fight over?

And what that ravynwulf guy said about drowning?

https://youtu.be/-g9osmJ-uUk

Waterbreathing and a tackle, all they need lol

Dovahkiin throws fodder into lake and freezes him to an enternal winter.

He can summon a Frost Astronach and leave it in the lake to make sure it never defrosts. Gg no re

I know little of ER and don't really care to debate in this thread, but feel like people are putting so much weight on game mechanics that its just getting silly

The only one using game mechanics are ER fanboys, I've been posting lore quotes. The Dovahkiin can summon Frost Astronach which can indefinitely freeze stuff per the Knightfall book.

Didn't name anyone in specific, so not sure why you felt spoken to if you didn't do so, but it most definitively is not just the ER debaters.

@cheth: Elden Ring debaters are just so dishonest tbh.

Oh because he fought the unquantifiable avatar of the alleged creator it means the tarnished is multiversal 🙄 I swear the wank only gets worse with the .

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Both Rogier and D die to Deathblight. That incantation only alleviates the build up of it. It doesn't counter the fact it permanently killed the both of them. Did you not play through either of their questlines? They both die to Death Blight, and stay dead afterwards. D dies due to Fia using Death Blight against him. Rogier because of the monster he fought in Stormveil Castle. In the former case with D it was immediate. In the latter case Rogier wasted away to nothing.

Also, Golden Order fundamentalist literally draw on the Elden Ring for power. They literally use grace in their spells.

Everything about this post reeks of a fundamental misunderstanding of everything I just mentioned.

When the build-up exceeds the limit is when it actually takes effect and instantly kill you.