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#1 Edited by CR500 (126 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Master Chief (with all weapons from Halo 5, but only one clip of ammo for each)

2. Doomguy (with all weapons from Doom 2016)

3. Darth Vader (Legends and Canon feats)

4. The Ur Didact

5. Samus Aran (base gear only)

6. Darth Sidious (Legends and Canon feats)

7. One Time War era Dalek

Dragonborn has full knowledge of The Didact, Samus, Sidious, and the Dalek.

All fights take place on the Throat of the World in Skyrim.

Dragonborn has a full set of daedric armor and all dragonbone weapons, with unlimited arrows. All spells and shouts can be used. Dragons can only be used as a distraction and can not fight for the Dragonborn. Slow Time can be used only if the fight is too one sided. Lore Dragonborn.

My knowledge of most of these characters is limited, so let me know if the order should be changed.

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#2 Posted by phillip33 (3209 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I know, he can clear up to sidious. Don’t know much about Samus to be fair.

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#3 Posted by Aka_aka_aka_ak (2582 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this the lore version of The Last Dragonborn or in-game mechanics version? e.g. defeating Alduin is an extremely impressive feat lore-wise (as Aldiun was set to consume (at least) one plane of existence) but in-game mechanics is hardly more impressive than defeating a run-of-the-mill dragon.

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#5 Posted by kryptonianpride (1407 posts) - - Show Bio

How did you not include the real and only last dragon, leeroy on there? HOW

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#6 Posted by Necromancer76 (3752 posts) - - Show Bio

Same as Philip, not sure about Samus but he definitely could get there. Might even beat Sidious tbh unless Sidious blitzes

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#9 Edited by Paytience (4299 posts) - - Show Bio

He hard stops at one. I once did a material breakdown using elder scrolls protection as they scale from steel, and I then compared the magic enchantments that work for damage reduction and how they might interact with bullets and modern firearms and the results were basically that guns son the elder scrolls verse so hard that the thread creator deleted the thread and broke all the links to it.

Basically...there is nothing the Dragonborn can do against firearms. The End.

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#10 Posted by AmethystGravity (2158 posts) - - Show Bio

Assuming standard gear for Samus is the stuff she has in her prime (since I'm assuming that the restriction is to avoid using composite gear for her, rather than restricting her to the gear at the beginning of games?), I could see the Dragonborn stopping there, since she has ridiculous hax resistance/immunities. I'm not entirely sure how sheer damage output/durability stack up between them.

I'd link the respect thread I made for her, but it's so old and full of way too much extra material, I should probably revamp it...

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#11 Posted by reikai (7283 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragonborn stops time, walks up, and slaps them so hard their heads do a 1080 before pinching and falling off their ruined neck stumps.

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#12 Posted by CR500 (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@paytience: Out of curiosity, how did some of the stronger armors like dragonbone and daedric compare to steel?

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#13 Posted by CR500 (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@amethystgravity: By standard gear I meant what gear she would normally have at the end of a game. I'm not a big Metroid fan so I'm not 100 percent sure what exactly that would be.

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#14 Posted by CR500 (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: To make it more fair the Dragonborn can't use Slow Time unless the fight is extremely one sided against him.

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#15 Posted by reikai (7283 posts) - - Show Bio

@cr500: Don't see how since the utterance of a single word effectively kills all his opponents.

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#16 Posted by CR500 (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Would it though? I'm not sure any of the physical attacks like Unrelenting Force could get through Samus', the Didact's, or the Dalek's armor, and unless the radius of the shouts is much larger than it is in the game Sidious and Master Chief have the speed feats to avoid them. I'm not sure about the non physical shouts like Bend Will or Soul Tear though.

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#17 Edited by Paytience (4299 posts) - - Show Bio

@cr500: If we allow for the difference in base stats vs improved, and base dragon armor is about 15-18 percent more effective than mild steel plate. So equal to medeival plate armor with a thickness range of 2mm on average, 5mm at its thickest point. However, improved dragon armor is around 40 percent more effective than hardened steel plate. Which means it would give around the same protection as 4-8mm of steel.

However...even if we went off the wall crazy and said that elder scrolls steel plate was magically as hard as modern ballistics steels, which are literally 10x harder than medeival hardened steel, and still light enough to wear full plate, it wouldnt stop a modern bullet. 5 mm protection is not enough when a 5.56 mm round can bang through a 1/4 inch of AR500 steel like it isn't there.

If we assume that imrpoved stats are simply the same materials arranged better, thant the protection rating for the steel stays at the mild steel comparison which would bring the numbers down further...making Dragon plate about 40 percent more effective than 2 mm of mild steel.

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#18 Posted by CR500 (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@paytience: Interesting. You have my respect for taking the time to work that out.

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#19 Edited by noah_ouellette (3210 posts) - - Show Bio

@cr500: Out of order but. Hard time doing anything to chief without the whole Alduin breaks planets so I do too thing. Hard BS btw. But yeah without lore stops at chief hard. Proper order is chief/doomguy(still kind of a toss up), Didact, Samus, Vader, sidious and then dalek. Can’t touch Vader with lore either though. Not nearly fast enough and just can’t match his force power.

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#20 Posted by Richard96 (5289 posts) - - Show Bio


The DB could just use a protection magic, like the one which ignores 80 per cent of the damage received, and then use a shout like disarm or even simply a lighting bolt that should reduce to ashes master chief.

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#21 Edited by Paytience (4299 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96: Right, but remember how I mentioned the magic calc?

The best he can do is reduce the damage already done. And 80 percent is the hard cap in the actual magic system, and beyond is only possible in the game mechanics through hax, loops or the command console on PC. The hard cap on damage reduction in the actual system is 12 percent or so for armor pieces.

Casting dragonhide has two problems:

the first is that casting a spell, even using a shout is going to take exponentially longer than it takes to draw and fire a gun. The time to draw and fire that your average Marine trains for in the modern day is .12-.15 seconds. Chief is flat out superhuman. By the time the DB tries to take in air to speak he's dead.

Second is the physical damage reduction. So, there are two ways to calculate this. The first is the way it's done n the magic system...so, a physical damage reduction first requires you to take the damage and then it reduces the effect. The problem here is that a 7.62x51, which is what Master chiefs MA5 shoots, will enter your body at twice the speed of sound and open up a sonic boom in your chest. 80 percent reduction means nothing because you can't live with 20 percent of your heart gone. Guns do too much damage instantly.

Now, we can try and reconcile it from the perspective of the game mechanics-

Physical damage reduction on armor is tallied exactly like I said above. However, what Dragonhide does is first reduce the armor protection to 0, and then it reduces all damage incoming by 80 percent, thus preventing you from having to first take the hit to get the reduction.

The problem here is that 7.62x51 again...that's 2700 joules of energy per shot. Even if you reduce that by 80 percent it is still more powerful than a .45acp being fired from a Colt M1911-ie more then enough to kill.

Also, your underselling masterchiefs durability, and have no evidence that magical attacks can work against tech based shields.

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#22 Edited by ANobody (26 posts) - - Show Bio

@paytience: Alduin was going to eat time and reset the kalpa.

Dovahkiin: The next world will need to will need to take care it self.

Paarthunax: Paaz. A fair answer. Ro fus,maybe you only balance the forces that work to quicken the end of this world. Even we who ride the currents of Time cannot see past Time's end, Wuldsetiid los tahrodiis. Those who try to hasten the end, may delay it. Those who work to delay the end, may bring it closer.

And also this:

Pruzah. As good a reason as any. There are many who feel as you do, although not all. Some would say that all things must end, so that the next can come to pass. Perhaps this world is simply the Egg of the next kalpa? Lein vokiin? Would you stop the next world from being born?" - Paarthurnax

He could fight Alduin who is stronger than the weakened Vivec, who in his weakened state admit that he transcend time:

"It is a bit like being at once awake and asleep. Awake, I am here with you, thinking and talking. Asleep, I am very, very busy. Perhaps for other gods, the completely immortal ones, it is only like that being asleep. Out of time. Me, I exist at once inside of time and outside of it."

Also, in the Song of Pelinal, Umaril's Father, the God of World River of the previous kalpa, was killed by Alduin, showing he already did eat the previous kalpa.

[Presently] the half-Elf [showed himself] bathed in [Meridian light] ... and he listed his bloodline in the Ayleidoon and spoke of his father, a god of the [previous kalpa's] World-River... - The Song of Pelinal, Volume 7

Not convinced? Well here is another evidence. Word from MK himself:

When you consider a place like Tamriel, sometimes it's best to take titles literally. Alduin is the World-Eater. It's not going to be "the end of all *life* as we know it," leaving a barren wasteland of Earthbone dirt... it's going to be the whole of Nirn inside his mighty gullet.

"None shall survive" has been a calling card for awhile, but that was only a hint to the more extensive "Nothing will survive."

Unless, of course, there's a loophole. Say, something like the someone called the Dovakhiin happening to show up..."born under uncertain stars to uncertain parents." (An aside for extra credit: what in the Aurbis makes the Prisoner such a powerful mythic figure?) - Michael Kirkbride

And don't be deceived, eating Nirn is not a planetary feat, it's a 4-D universal feat, because the sea of Nirn is made of 4-D time or memories which is essentially mortals' perception of time:


And yet, even after all of this, Dovahkiin still was able to keep up with Alduin's speed, damage him, and killed him.

He also has Auriel's Bow, the same bow that can travel from Nirn to Magnus (the sun) even though their distance are infinite. Since to reach the sun, the arrow needs to go through the eight planets, with each of them having infinite size and mass

The same bow that was created by Anui-El, a being who is much more superior to Akatosh, who could stabilise the whole of Aurbis. Inside this Aurbis exist Mundus, which is a multiverse of infinite size (since it contain eight infinite sized planet) and Mundus is surrounded by the Void of Oblivion that have infinite size and yet Aetherius still exist outside and surround this Void of Oblivion. Akatosh basically stabilise a bunch of infinite spaces and Anui-El is immensely superior to him.

"The planets are the gods and the planes of the gods, which is the same thing. That they appear as spherical heavenly bodies is a visual phenomena caused by mortal mental stress. Since each plane(t) is an infinite mass of infinite size, as yet surrounded by the Void of Oblivion, the mortal eye registers them as bubbles within a space. Planets are magical and impossible. The eight planets correspond to the Eight Divines. They are all present on the Dwarven Orrery, along with the"

That should give you an idea how powerful Anui-El is and how powerful a weapon that he created.

So, the Dovahkiin easily complete the gaunlet since he can literally dodge anything that they throw at him through Immeasurable speed (scaling from Alduin who is stronger and faster than a vastly weakened Vivec who transcend time) and can easily kill them with his thu’um or weapon.

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#23 Posted by FullMetalEmprah (2983 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh here we go with the multiversal DB wank again...

OT: I'd say he stops at Chief because that firearms argument is really convincing.

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#24 Posted by AotD (584 posts) - - Show Bio

should clear but i do know nothing about round 7 so i`m not sure how he would perform there

also by lore MC can get him some trouble too but overall DB magic still overwhelms MC tech advantage

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@fullmetalemprah: fullmetalemprah: I don’t understand why you guys can’t just accept that LDB is not just some normal human with voice power. I already gave you a lot of evidences, books text about how Alduin already destroy the past kalpa (Song of Pelinal v7), NPC’s conversations about how Alduin was going to eat the world and time (Paarthunax, Esbern, and Arngeir), conversation in ESO about how ocean of Nirn is made of time (link in my previous comment), writer’s words about how the title of World-Eater is suppose to be literal (again, the quote is in my comment above) which effectively shut down any argument about how the lore surrounding Alduin are false and exaggerate, Vivec’s quote about how even in his vastly weakened state he still transcend time (quote in my comment above) during the event of ESO Morrowind expansion. Heck, even the Elder Scrolls itself says Alduin have the hunger to swallow the world:

“Alduin, bane of kings, ancient shadow unbound, With a hunger to swallow the world!”

What other proof do you need? There’s like 6 to 7 there, and i probably can give you other supporting evidences if you give me time, but this is enough. It’s like you guys don’t understand that we, the people who know TES lore, are right.

Go to Spacebattles, Read the TES reddit post, watch the podcast, read the wiki and Imperial Library. Come with actual knowledge and actual argument. Don’t just disregard someone’s arguments and evidences without basis and saying “wank

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#26 Edited by Paytience (4299 posts) - - Show Bio

@anobody: You're confusing lore with story. Lore is the LEGEND of what happened. The story, ie things you actually play through in the previous elder scrolls games are what happen and that is the canon. I know what the lore is and how it all works because I have played through every ES game and have collected and read all the lore.

Which is how I know the Dragonborn was dropped flat by a normal arrow and that Auriel's bow didn't reach the sun it shrouded it with magic. There is a reason it's damage rating is only that of a normal bow plus magical effect.

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#27 Posted by FullMetalEmprah (2983 posts) - - Show Bio

@anobody: I've already argued against this pretty effectively in another thread where I learned you just keep taking quotes extremely out of context. My stance remains the same.

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#29 Edited by FullMetalEmprah (2983 posts) - - Show Bio

@anobody: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/ahzek-ahriman-vs-the-last-dragonborn-1971870/#js-message-1

Ahriman still smacks by the way.

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#30 Posted by ANobody (26 posts) - - Show Bio

@paytience: paytience:

First of all, What you call story i call game mechanic, and it’s really inconsistent since the creator can’t really add the lore whole keeping the game balanced without making all other NPCs universal at end-game. And Auriel’s Bow was literally states by that Snow Elf (forget his name) to directly extract energy from Aetherius through the hole in the Sky

Second, Alduin eating Nirn and time is part of the story, since many people keeps hammering the fact that Alduin was going to eat time and Nirn itself. I want to give you the link, but can’t do it right now.

Third, we literally have Vivec taking you outside of time during ESO who in his vastly weakened state was weaker than Alduin, Paarthunax’s words that Alduin was going to end time “even we who ride the currents of time cannot see Time’s end” and writer’s words that Alduin was going to eat Nirn that was said by NPC in ESO to be made of memories, or mortals’ perception of time. All of this happpens in game.

I mean, i guess you can kind of argue that all of this feats is not literal and that Alduin was just going to rule the world, but when you literally have writer’s words telling you he was going to eat Nirn if you didn’t stop him, you can’t make any other argument.

I didn’t take any of this statement out of context, people. It’s just up to you which source you want to believe.

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#31 Posted by ANobody (26 posts) - - Show Bio

@fullmetalemprah: Oh yeah, i forgot about that thread, sorry. Pretty sure you guys want a speed feat at that time, right? Well, i give you the feat but later.

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#32 Edited by ANobody (26 posts) - - Show Bio

Can’t answer for a while (for 3 days) since i have an exam. Drop your comments and i will answer them after 3 days.