The Jell-O Thread (PC Superman vs Sun Wukong)

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Sun Wukong defenders are some of the worst fictional battle debaters lol, It's like half are trolls.. Few even have Wikipedia level knowledge of either Sun Wukong or PC superman. MASSIVE disservice lmao. Sorry but your kiddie Monkey King adaptations nerfs Sun somewhat because they lack the lots of power quantification available in the multiple volume long original(from the 16th century). And random bits of god powers plucked from made-up mythology without contextualization are just too ridiculous, inconsistent and fan-fic.

Assuming Sun Wukong's mythological feats are irrelevant, PC superman feats >>> Sun Wukong feats. However Sun Wukong has never had any trouble with any power feats throughout his volumes, and based on the ones that can be contextualized I'd say he's around or above this.

Sun Wukong: Normal Thor's strength level, Wonder Women's battle reaction speed, Small star level durability and mysticism abilities of Zatanna.

Explanations:

1. In Chinese myth incorporated into the novel, Earthquakes, falling mountains and other natural disasters were caused by just one or 2 heavenly warriors(each a cosmic embodiment) battling monsters.(China had 2000+ years of recorded devastating calamities by then, and Earth was theorized to have existed much longer) They can't be seen because they move too fast for the mortal eye, basically described as the flashes of light that appear sometimes. Imagine 100,000 of them easily defeated by Sun.

There was also the effortless dual-mountain carrying feats and the toying around with mountain destroying demon lords, all of whom had decent and pretty creative magics and magical items of their own

2: The 108 000 Li(54 000 km, 34 000miles) in one somersault was used by Sun himself to describe his abilities(among the other nice sounding numbers). That was basically the "around the world and beyond" jump(there were estimations of the Earth's circumference by then.) Either way the distance Sun flew while trying to get out of the Buddha's hand was left unstated, generally meant to be a lot. Regardless velocity is going to be a weak point for the Monkey, although as shown in a few instances it was arguable that he has easily accessible teleportation powers.

3: He cooked in Samadhi fires which was supposed to be hotter than the hottest of magical hell/demon fires. It vaporized Sun's heavenly metal armor made for him by the best smiths in the heaven dimension as soon as he entered the chamber(save for one part of the armor he liked and protected for 49 days). He was kept there after all physical, poison and magical means to execute him failed, including one where executioners attempted to rip him apart with the inertia of the Sun and Moon or something. By any case it was implied Sun got himself caught on purpose to detox his fur or for a nice hot sauna(speculation) because he easily defeated(again) the ones who captured him after he let himself out. /End physical abilities.

4: Mystical abilities is a can of worms on another level though. During the JTTW there's are almost countless numbers of little tricks and magical gear he picked up from local pantheons. But his most powerful are his core abilities, including his transformations which overcame any magical and mystical mirror attempts at exposing him, and where his clones were a match for one demon ox king and the heavenly warriors. There's the point and freeze thing, which has worked everytime he used it(but he only ever uses it on below mid-level demons)

5: The pills of "invincibility", very rarely distilled from the Samadhi fires even the Jade Emperor sparingly consumes(Monkey ate the whole batch), the peaches of immortality and "godhood" which bloom once a blue moon(much longer than a human lifetime, I remember thinking), and given only to exceptional mortals(Monkey ate everything save for one basket-full picked by maidens), and the wine.

The ability of Monkey to manipulate the look of the sky and heavens is a little un-quantifiable by today's standards. But a notable instance was when he made a star appear as bright as the sun to scam some demons, which is a nod to certain pretty bright supernovas recorded by Chinese astronomers such as SN 1006, 1054 and 1181.

Basically the draw of the classic was more of its literary, side characters, fantastical universe and zen-pacifist Buddhist master-student dynamics than something like DBZ where Goku underwent massive power up after power ups. Because Sun Wukong could take on his entire verse besides its creator(the Buddha) if he wanted to. Because he's the OG for trickster OP author-wanked protagonists. Probably why so many half-troll defenders who don't even remember or actually read the original(like me as well).

But PC superman will still >>>> anything a pre-industrialization writer can materialize into a proper novel. Except maybe the Buddha in this case, who created the Heaven, hell, demon and Earth dimensions and trapped this very powerful Monkey under an invulnerable materialization of his hand with a very powerful magical seal(the Five Finger Mountain 五指山). Also there's the hand which was seemingly just a few meters across, which the Monkey couldn't fly out of.

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Sun Wukong can beat any DC , MARVEL heroes at ease

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@davidtan00000 said:

Sun Wukong defenders are some of the worst fictional battle debaters lol, It's like half are trolls.. Few even have Wikipedia level knowledge of either Sun Wukong or PC superman. MASSIVE disservice lmao. Sorry but your kiddie Monkey King adaptations nerfs Sun somewhat because they lack the lots of power quantification available in the multiple volume long original(from the 16th century). And random bits of god powers plucked from made-up mythology without contextualization are just too ridiculous, inconsistent and fan-fic.

Assuming Sun Wukong's mythological feats are irrelevant, PC superman feats >>> Sun Wukong feats. However Sun Wukong has never had any trouble with any power feats throughout his volumes, and based on the ones that can be contextualized I'd say he's around or above this.

Sun Wukong: Normal Thor's strength level, Wonder Women's battle reaction speed, Small star level durability and mysticism abilities of Zatanna.

Explanations:

1. In Chinese myth incorporated into the novel, Earthquakes, falling mountains and other natural disasters were caused by just one or 2 heavenly warriors(each a cosmic embodiment) battling monsters.(China had 2000+ years of recorded devastating calamities by then, and Earth was theorized to have existed much longer) They can't be seen because they move too fast for the mortal eye, basically described as the flashes of light that appear sometimes. Imagine 100,000 of them easily defeated by Sun.

There was also the effortless dual-mountain carrying feats and the toying around with mountain destroying demon lords, all of whom had decent and pretty creative magics and magical items of their own

2: The 108 000 Li(54 000 km, 34 000miles) in one somersault was used by Sun himself to describe his abilities(among the other nice sounding numbers). That was basically the "around the world and beyond" jump(there were estimations of the Earth's circumference by then.) Either way the distance Sun flew while trying to get out of the Buddha's hand was left unstated, generally meant to be a lot. Regardless velocity is going to be a weak point for the Monkey, although as shown in a few instances it was arguable that he has easily accessible teleportation powers.

3: He cooked in Samadhi fires which was supposed to be hotter than the hottest of magical hell/demon fires. It vaporized Sun's heavenly metal armor made for him by the best smiths in the heaven dimension as soon as he entered the chamber(save for one part of the armor he liked and protected for 49 days). He was kept there after all physical, poison and magical means to execute him failed, including one where executioners attempted to rip him apart with the inertia of the Sun and Moon or something. By any case it was implied Sun got himself caught on purpose to detox his fur or for a nice hot sauna(speculation) because he easily defeated(again) the ones who captured him after he let himself out. /End physical abilities.

4: Mystical abilities is a can of worms on another level though. During the JTTW there's are almost countless numbers of little tricks and magical gear he picked up from local pantheons. But his most powerful are his core abilities, including his transformations which overcame any magical and mystical mirror attempts at exposing him, and where his clones were a match for one demon ox king and the heavenly warriors. There's the point and freeze thing, which has worked everytime he used it(but he only ever uses it on below mid-level demons)

5: The pills of "invincibility", very rarely distilled from the Samadhi fires even the Jade Emperor sparingly consumes(Monkey ate the whole batch), the peaches of immortality and "godhood" which bloom once a blue moon(much longer than a human lifetime, I remember thinking), and given only to exceptional mortals(Monkey ate everything save for one basket-full picked by maidens), and the wine.

The ability of Monkey to manipulate the look of the sky and heavens is a little un-quantifiable by today's standards. But a notable instance was when he made a star appear as bright as the sun to scam some demons, which is a nod to certain pretty bright supernovas recorded by Chinese astronomers such as SN 1006, 1054 and 1181.

Basically the draw of the classic was more of its literary, side characters, fantastical universe and zen-pacifist Buddhist master-student dynamics than something like DBZ where Goku underwent massive power up after power ups. Because Sun Wukong could take on his entire verse besides its creator(the Buddha) if he wanted to. Because he's the OG for trickster OP author-wanked protagonists. Probably why so many half-troll defenders who don't even remember or actually read the original(like me as well).

But PC superman will still >>>> anything a pre-industrialization writer can materialize into a proper novel. Except maybe the Buddha in this case, who created the Heaven, hell, demon and Earth dimensions and trapped this very powerful Monkey under an invulnerable materialization of his hand with a very powerful magical seal(the Five Finger Mountain 五指山). Also there's the hand which was seemingly just a few meters across, which the Monkey couldn't fly out of.

your welled writing does not make any near sense to make PC superman to win,

remember only unparalleled magic can hurt Sun Wukong and Superman doesn't know any magic at all so PC superman dont have a chance against Sun Wukong, maybe Harry Potter might have better chance than PC superman, but its just a maybe.

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@davidtan00000 said:

Sun Wukong defenders are some of the worst fictional battle debaters lol, It's like half are trolls.. Few even have Wikipedia level knowledge of either Sun Wukong or PC superman. MASSIVE disservice lmao. Sorry but your kiddie Monkey King adaptations nerfs Sun somewhat because they lack the lots of power quantification available in the multiple volume long original(from the 16th century). And random bits of god powers plucked from made-up mythology without contextualization are just too ridiculous, inconsistent and fan-fic.

Assuming Sun Wukong's mythological feats are irrelevant, PC superman feats >>> Sun Wukong feats. However Sun Wukong has never had any trouble with any power feats throughout his volumes, and based on the ones that can be contextualized I'd say he's around or above this.

Sun Wukong: Normal Thor's strength level, Wonder Women's battle reaction speed, Small star level durability and mysticism abilities of Zatanna.

Explanations:

1. In Chinese myth incorporated into the novel, Earthquakes, falling mountains and other natural disasters were caused by just one or 2 heavenly warriors(each a cosmic embodiment) battling monsters.(China had 2000+ years of recorded devastating calamities by then, and Earth was theorized to have existed much longer) They can't be seen because they move too fast for the mortal eye, basically described as the flashes of light that appear sometimes. Imagine 100,000 of them easily defeated by Sun.

There was also the effortless dual-mountain carrying feats and the toying around with mountain destroying demon lords, all of whom had decent and pretty creative magics and magical items of their own

2: The 108 000 Li(54 000 km, 34 000miles) in one somersault was used by Sun himself to describe his abilities(among the other nice sounding numbers). That was basically the "around the world and beyond" jump(there were estimations of the Earth's circumference by then.) Either way the distance Sun flew while trying to get out of the Buddha's hand was left unstated, generally meant to be a lot. Regardless velocity is going to be a weak point for the Monkey, although as shown in a few instances it was arguable that he has easily accessible teleportation powers.

3: He cooked in Samadhi fires which was supposed to be hotter than the hottest of magical hell/demon fires. It vaporized Sun's heavenly metal armor made for him by the best smiths in the heaven dimension as soon as he entered the chamber(save for one part of the armor he liked and protected for 49 days). He was kept there after all physical, poison and magical means to execute him failed, including one where executioners attempted to rip him apart with the inertia of the Sun and Moon or something. By any case it was implied Sun got himself caught on purpose to detox his fur or for a nice hot sauna(speculation) because he easily defeated(again) the ones who captured him after he let himself out. /End physical abilities.

4: Mystical abilities is a can of worms on another level though. During the JTTW there's are almost countless numbers of little tricks and magical gear he picked up from local pantheons. But his most powerful are his core abilities, including his transformations which overcame any magical and mystical mirror attempts at exposing him, and where his clones were a match for one demon ox king and the heavenly warriors. There's the point and freeze thing, which has worked everytime he used it(but he only ever uses it on below mid-level demons)

5: The pills of "invincibility", very rarely distilled from the Samadhi fires even the Jade Emperor sparingly consumes(Monkey ate the whole batch), the peaches of immortality and "godhood" which bloom once a blue moon(much longer than a human lifetime, I remember thinking), and given only to exceptional mortals(Monkey ate everything save for one basket-full picked by maidens), and the wine.

The ability of Monkey to manipulate the look of the sky and heavens is a little un-quantifiable by today's standards. But a notable instance was when he made a star appear as bright as the sun to scam some demons, which is a nod to certain pretty bright supernovas recorded by Chinese astronomers such as SN 1006, 1054 and 1181.

Basically the draw of the classic was more of its literary, side characters, fantastical universe and zen-pacifist Buddhist master-student dynamics than something like DBZ where Goku underwent massive power up after power ups. Because Sun Wukong could take on his entire verse besides its creator(the Buddha) if he wanted to. Because he's the OG for trickster OP author-wanked protagonists. Probably why so many half-troll defenders who don't even remember or actually read the original(like me as well).

But PC superman will still >>>> anything a pre-industrialization writer can materialize into a proper novel. Except maybe the Buddha in this case, who created the Heaven, hell, demon and Earth dimensions and trapped this very powerful Monkey under an invulnerable materialization of his hand with a very powerful magical seal(the Five Finger Mountain 五指山). Also there's the hand which was seemingly just a few meters across, which the Monkey couldn't fly out of.

your welled writing does not make any near sense to make PC superman to win,

remember only unparalleled magic can hurt Sun Wukong and Superman doesn't know any magic at all so PC superman dont have a chance against Sun Wukong, maybe Harry Potter might have better chance than PC superman, but its just a maybe.

There are many characters who have similar traits to Sun Wukong, but they can be injured with sufficient force. Sun Wukong never get punched by someone who is fueled by PIS force. Invulnerable is very subjective term so be careful when you're trying to use it in Comic Vine debates.

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Only omnipotent can defeat Wukong.

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@alexandrawallace said:

@davidtan00000 said:

Sun Wukong defenders are some of the worst fictional battle debaters lol, It's like half are trolls.. Few even have Wikipedia level knowledge of either Sun Wukong or PC superman. MASSIVE disservice lmao. Sorry but your kiddie Monkey King adaptations nerfs Sun somewhat because they lack the lots of power quantification available in the multiple volume long original(from the 16th century). And random bits of god powers plucked from made-up mythology without contextualization are just too ridiculous, inconsistent and fan-fic.

Assuming Sun Wukong's mythological feats are irrelevant, PC superman feats >>> Sun Wukong feats. However Sun Wukong has never had any trouble with any power feats throughout his volumes, and based on the ones that can be contextualized I'd say he's around or above this.

Sun Wukong: Normal Thor's strength level, Wonder Women's battle reaction speed, Small star level durability and mysticism abilities of Zatanna.

Explanations:

1. In Chinese myth incorporated into the novel, Earthquakes, falling mountains and other natural disasters were caused by just one or 2 heavenly warriors(each a cosmic embodiment) battling monsters.(China had 2000+ years of recorded devastating calamities by then, and Earth was theorized to have existed much longer) They can't be seen because they move too fast for the mortal eye, basically described as the flashes of light that appear sometimes. Imagine 100,000 of them easily defeated by Sun.

There was also the effortless dual-mountain carrying feats and the toying around with mountain destroying demon lords, all of whom had decent and pretty creative magics and magical items of their own

2: The 108 000 Li(54 000 km, 34 000miles) in one somersault was used by Sun himself to describe his abilities(among the other nice sounding numbers). That was basically the "around the world and beyond" jump(there were estimations of the Earth's circumference by then.) Either way the distance Sun flew while trying to get out of the Buddha's hand was left unstated, generally meant to be a lot. Regardless velocity is going to be a weak point for the Monkey, although as shown in a few instances it was arguable that he has easily accessible teleportation powers.

3: He cooked in Samadhi fires which was supposed to be hotter than the hottest of magical hell/demon fires. It vaporized Sun's heavenly metal armor made for him by the best smiths in the heaven dimension as soon as he entered the chamber(save for one part of the armor he liked and protected for 49 days). He was kept there after all physical, poison and magical means to execute him failed, including one where executioners attempted to rip him apart with the inertia of the Sun and Moon or something. By any case it was implied Sun got himself caught on purpose to detox his fur or for a nice hot sauna(speculation) because he easily defeated(again) the ones who captured him after he let himself out. /End physical abilities.

4: Mystical abilities is a can of worms on another level though. During the JTTW there's are almost countless numbers of little tricks and magical gear he picked up from local pantheons. But his most powerful are his core abilities, including his transformations which overcame any magical and mystical mirror attempts at exposing him, and where his clones were a match for one demon ox king and the heavenly warriors. There's the point and freeze thing, which has worked everytime he used it(but he only ever uses it on below mid-level demons)

5: The pills of "invincibility", very rarely distilled from the Samadhi fires even the Jade Emperor sparingly consumes(Monkey ate the whole batch), the peaches of immortality and "godhood" which bloom once a blue moon(much longer than a human lifetime, I remember thinking), and given only to exceptional mortals(Monkey ate everything save for one basket-full picked by maidens), and the wine.

The ability of Monkey to manipulate the look of the sky and heavens is a little un-quantifiable by today's standards. But a notable instance was when he made a star appear as bright as the sun to scam some demons, which is a nod to certain pretty bright supernovas recorded by Chinese astronomers such as SN 1006, 1054 and 1181.

Basically the draw of the classic was more of its literary, side characters, fantastical universe and zen-pacifist Buddhist master-student dynamics than something like DBZ where Goku underwent massive power up after power ups. Because Sun Wukong could take on his entire verse besides its creator(the Buddha) if he wanted to. Because he's the OG for trickster OP author-wanked protagonists. Probably why so many half-troll defenders who don't even remember or actually read the original(like me as well).

But PC superman will still >>>> anything a pre-industrialization writer can materialize into a proper novel. Except maybe the Buddha in this case, who created the Heaven, hell, demon and Earth dimensions and trapped this very powerful Monkey under an invulnerable materialization of his hand with a very powerful magical seal(the Five Finger Mountain 五指山). Also there's the hand which was seemingly just a few meters across, which the Monkey couldn't fly out of.

your welled writing does not make any near sense to make PC superman to win,

remember only unparalleled magic can hurt Sun Wukong and Superman doesn't know any magic at all so PC superman dont have a chance against Sun Wukong, maybe Harry Potter might have better chance than PC superman, but its just a maybe.

There are many characters who have similar traits to Sun Wukong, but they can be injured with sufficient force. Sun Wukong never get punched by someone who is fueled by PIS force. Invulnerable is very subjective term so be careful when you're trying to use it in Comic Vine debates.

lmao i didnt say he is Invulnerable , he can be harm by powerful magic lol, but the power and ability that superman have cant do any harm to Sun Wukong . Superman is just not match with Sun Wukong , Some one who is very good at Magic would be better match for Sun Wukong lol

btw you and davidtan00000 are same person , you just made new account to reply this Battle Post lol

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@alexandrawallace said:

@davidtan00000 said:

Sun Wukong defenders are some of the worst fictional battle debaters lol, It's like half are trolls.. Few even have Wikipedia level knowledge of either Sun Wukong or PC superman. MASSIVE disservice lmao. Sorry but your kiddie Monkey King adaptations nerfs Sun somewhat because they lack the lots of power quantification available in the multiple volume long original(from the 16th century). And random bits of god powers plucked from made-up mythology without contextualization are just too ridiculous, inconsistent and fan-fic.

Assuming Sun Wukong's mythological feats are irrelevant, PC superman feats >>> Sun Wukong feats. However Sun Wukong has never had any trouble with any power feats throughout his volumes, and based on the ones that can be contextualized I'd say he's around or above this.

Sun Wukong: Normal Thor's strength level, Wonder Women's battle reaction speed, Small star level durability and mysticism abilities of Zatanna.

Explanations:

1. In Chinese myth incorporated into the novel, Earthquakes, falling mountains and other natural disasters were caused by just one or 2 heavenly warriors(each a cosmic embodiment) battling monsters.(China had 2000+ years of recorded devastating calamities by then, and Earth was theorized to have existed much longer) They can't be seen because they move too fast for the mortal eye, basically described as the flashes of light that appear sometimes. Imagine 100,000 of them easily defeated by Sun.

There was also the effortless dual-mountain carrying feats and the toying around with mountain destroying demon lords, all of whom had decent and pretty creative magics and magical items of their own

2: The 108 000 Li(54 000 km, 34 000miles) in one somersault was used by Sun himself to describe his abilities(among the other nice sounding numbers). That was basically the "around the world and beyond" jump(there were estimations of the Earth's circumference by then.) Either way the distance Sun flew while trying to get out of the Buddha's hand was left unstated, generally meant to be a lot. Regardless velocity is going to be a weak point for the Monkey, although as shown in a few instances it was arguable that he has easily accessible teleportation powers.

3: He cooked in Samadhi fires which was supposed to be hotter than the hottest of magical hell/demon fires. It vaporized Sun's heavenly metal armor made for him by the best smiths in the heaven dimension as soon as he entered the chamber(save for one part of the armor he liked and protected for 49 days). He was kept there after all physical, poison and magical means to execute him failed, including one where executioners attempted to rip him apart with the inertia of the Sun and Moon or something. By any case it was implied Sun got himself caught on purpose to detox his fur or for a nice hot sauna(speculation) because he easily defeated(again) the ones who captured him after he let himself out. /End physical abilities.

4: Mystical abilities is a can of worms on another level though. During the JTTW there's are almost countless numbers of little tricks and magical gear he picked up from local pantheons. But his most powerful are his core abilities, including his transformations which overcame any magical and mystical mirror attempts at exposing him, and where his clones were a match for one demon ox king and the heavenly warriors. There's the point and freeze thing, which has worked everytime he used it(but he only ever uses it on below mid-level demons)

5: The pills of "invincibility", very rarely distilled from the Samadhi fires even the Jade Emperor sparingly consumes(Monkey ate the whole batch), the peaches of immortality and "godhood" which bloom once a blue moon(much longer than a human lifetime, I remember thinking), and given only to exceptional mortals(Monkey ate everything save for one basket-full picked by maidens), and the wine.

The ability of Monkey to manipulate the look of the sky and heavens is a little un-quantifiable by today's standards. But a notable instance was when he made a star appear as bright as the sun to scam some demons, which is a nod to certain pretty bright supernovas recorded by Chinese astronomers such as SN 1006, 1054 and 1181.

Basically the draw of the classic was more of its literary, side characters, fantastical universe and zen-pacifist Buddhist master-student dynamics than something like DBZ where Goku underwent massive power up after power ups. Because Sun Wukong could take on his entire verse besides its creator(the Buddha) if he wanted to. Because he's the OG for trickster OP author-wanked protagonists. Probably why so many half-troll defenders who don't even remember or actually read the original(like me as well).

But PC superman will still >>>> anything a pre-industrialization writer can materialize into a proper novel. Except maybe the Buddha in this case, who created the Heaven, hell, demon and Earth dimensions and trapped this very powerful Monkey under an invulnerable materialization of his hand with a very powerful magical seal(the Five Finger Mountain 五指山). Also there's the hand which was seemingly just a few meters across, which the Monkey couldn't fly out of.

your welled writing does not make any near sense to make PC superman to win,

remember only unparalleled magic can hurt Sun Wukong and Superman doesn't know any magic at all so PC superman dont have a chance against Sun Wukong, maybe Harry Potter might have better chance than PC superman, but its just a maybe.

There are many characters who have similar traits to Sun Wukong, but they can be injured with sufficient force. Sun Wukong never get punched by someone who is fueled by PIS force. Invulnerable is very subjective term so be careful when you're trying to use it in Comic Vine debates.

lmao i didnt say he is Invulnerable , he can be harm by powerful magic lol, but the power and ability that superman have cant do any harm to Sun Wukong . Superman is just not match with Sun Wukong , Some one who is very good at Magic would be better match for Sun Wukong lol

btw you and davidtan00000 are same person , you just made new account to reply this Battle Post lol

Wrong, I allow you to inspect my IP address that I'm not the same person as him, I just intervened.

And what can Sun Wukong do to Superman? I have discuss this with one expert in this very thread several months ago, and Sun Wukong don't really have what it takes to take on someone who can survive the condition in the primordial universe (Big Bang).

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@alexandrawallace said:

@angryhulks:

@angryhulks said:

@alexandrawallace said:

@davidtan00000 said:

Sun Wukong defenders are some of the worst fictional battle debaters lol, It's like half are trolls.. Few even have Wikipedia level knowledge of either Sun Wukong or PC superman. MASSIVE disservice lmao. Sorry but your kiddie Monkey King adaptations nerfs Sun somewhat because they lack the lots of power quantification available in the multiple volume long original(from the 16th century). And random bits of god powers plucked from made-up mythology without contextualization are just too ridiculous, inconsistent and fan-fic.

Assuming Sun Wukong's mythological feats are irrelevant, PC superman feats >>> Sun Wukong feats. However Sun Wukong has never had any trouble with any power feats throughout his volumes, and based on the ones that can be contextualized I'd say he's around or above this.

Sun Wukong: Normal Thor's strength level, Wonder Women's battle reaction speed, Small star level durability and mysticism abilities of Zatanna.

Explanations:

1. In Chinese myth incorporated into the novel, Earthquakes, falling mountains and other natural disasters were caused by just one or 2 heavenly warriors(each a cosmic embodiment) battling monsters.(China had 2000+ years of recorded devastating calamities by then, and Earth was theorized to have existed much longer) They can't be seen because they move too fast for the mortal eye, basically described as the flashes of light that appear sometimes. Imagine 100,000 of them easily defeated by Sun.

There was also the effortless dual-mountain carrying feats and the toying around with mountain destroying demon lords, all of whom had decent and pretty creative magics and magical items of their own

2: The 108 000 Li(54 000 km, 34 000miles) in one somersault was used by Sun himself to describe his abilities(among the other nice sounding numbers). That was basically the "around the world and beyond" jump(there were estimations of the Earth's circumference by then.) Either way the distance Sun flew while trying to get out of the Buddha's hand was left unstated, generally meant to be a lot. Regardless velocity is going to be a weak point for the Monkey, although as shown in a few instances it was arguable that he has easily accessible teleportation powers.

3: He cooked in Samadhi fires which was supposed to be hotter than the hottest of magical hell/demon fires. It vaporized Sun's heavenly metal armor made for him by the best smiths in the heaven dimension as soon as he entered the chamber(save for one part of the armor he liked and protected for 49 days). He was kept there after all physical, poison and magical means to execute him failed, including one where executioners attempted to rip him apart with the inertia of the Sun and Moon or something. By any case it was implied Sun got himself caught on purpose to detox his fur or for a nice hot sauna(speculation) because he easily defeated(again) the ones who captured him after he let himself out. /End physical abilities.

4: Mystical abilities is a can of worms on another level though. During the JTTW there's are almost countless numbers of little tricks and magical gear he picked up from local pantheons. But his most powerful are his core abilities, including his transformations which overcame any magical and mystical mirror attempts at exposing him, and where his clones were a match for one demon ox king and the heavenly warriors. There's the point and freeze thing, which has worked everytime he used it(but he only ever uses it on below mid-level demons)

5: The pills of "invincibility", very rarely distilled from the Samadhi fires even the Jade Emperor sparingly consumes(Monkey ate the whole batch), the peaches of immortality and "godhood" which bloom once a blue moon(much longer than a human lifetime, I remember thinking), and given only to exceptional mortals(Monkey ate everything save for one basket-full picked by maidens), and the wine.

The ability of Monkey to manipulate the look of the sky and heavens is a little un-quantifiable by today's standards. But a notable instance was when he made a star appear as bright as the sun to scam some demons, which is a nod to certain pretty bright supernovas recorded by Chinese astronomers such as SN 1006, 1054 and 1181.

Basically the draw of the classic was more of its literary, side characters, fantastical universe and zen-pacifist Buddhist master-student dynamics than something like DBZ where Goku underwent massive power up after power ups. Because Sun Wukong could take on his entire verse besides its creator(the Buddha) if he wanted to. Because he's the OG for trickster OP author-wanked protagonists. Probably why so many half-troll defenders who don't even remember or actually read the original(like me as well).

But PC superman will still >>>> anything a pre-industrialization writer can materialize into a proper novel. Except maybe the Buddha in this case, who created the Heaven, hell, demon and Earth dimensions and trapped this very powerful Monkey under an invulnerable materialization of his hand with a very powerful magical seal(the Five Finger Mountain 五指山). Also there's the hand which was seemingly just a few meters across, which the Monkey couldn't fly out of.

your welled writing does not make any near sense to make PC superman to win,

remember only unparalleled magic can hurt Sun Wukong and Superman doesn't know any magic at all so PC superman dont have a chance against Sun Wukong, maybe Harry Potter might have better chance than PC superman, but its just a maybe.

There are many characters who have similar traits to Sun Wukong, but they can be injured with sufficient force. Sun Wukong never get punched by someone who is fueled by PIS force. Invulnerable is very subjective term so be careful when you're trying to use it in Comic Vine debates.

lmao i didnt say he is Invulnerable , he can be harm by powerful magic lol, but the power and ability that superman have cant do any harm to Sun Wukong . Superman is just not match with Sun Wukong , Some one who is very good at Magic would be better match for Sun Wukong lol

btw you and davidtan00000 are same person , you just made new account to reply this Battle Post lol

Wrong, I allow you to inspect my IP address that I'm not the same person as him, I just intervened.

And what can Sun Wukong do to Superman? I have discuss this with one expert in this very thread several months ago, and Sun Wukong don't really have what it takes to take on someone who can survive the condition in the primordial universe (Big Bang).

What can Sun Wukong do to Superman? lol go read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman <---> and <----> http://superman.wikia.com/wiki/Superman%27s_Powers_and_Abilities <-- it explain all version of Superman and where its power came from and weakness, and all version of Superman power came from Yellow Sun like(Earth Sun) and weakness to Red Sun, Magic, and Kryptonite , So Sun Wukong will Hide Yellow Sun From Superman, and Summon Red Sun and then Superman will become weaker and weaker and then Sun Wukong win easily lol

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@alexandrawallace said:

@angryhulks:

@angryhulks said:

@alexandrawallace said:

@davidtan00000 said:

Sun Wukong defenders are some of the worst fictional battle debaters lol, It's like half are trolls.. Few even have Wikipedia level knowledge of either Sun Wukong or PC superman. MASSIVE disservice lmao. Sorry but your kiddie Monkey King adaptations nerfs Sun somewhat because they lack the lots of power quantification available in the multiple volume long original(from the 16th century). And random bits of god powers plucked from made-up mythology without contextualization are just too ridiculous, inconsistent and fan-fic.

Assuming Sun Wukong's mythological feats are irrelevant, PC superman feats >>> Sun Wukong feats. However Sun Wukong has never had any trouble with any power feats throughout his volumes, and based on the ones that can be contextualized I'd say he's around or above this.

Sun Wukong: Normal Thor's strength level, Wonder Women's battle reaction speed, Small star level durability and mysticism abilities of Zatanna.

Explanations:

1. In Chinese myth incorporated into the novel, Earthquakes, falling mountains and other natural disasters were caused by just one or 2 heavenly warriors(each a cosmic embodiment) battling monsters.(China had 2000+ years of recorded devastating calamities by then, and Earth was theorized to have existed much longer) They can't be seen because they move too fast for the mortal eye, basically described as the flashes of light that appear sometimes. Imagine 100,000 of them easily defeated by Sun.

There was also the effortless dual-mountain carrying feats and the toying around with mountain destroying demon lords, all of whom had decent and pretty creative magics and magical items of their own

2: The 108 000 Li(54 000 km, 34 000miles) in one somersault was used by Sun himself to describe his abilities(among the other nice sounding numbers). That was basically the "around the world and beyond" jump(there were estimations of the Earth's circumference by then.) Either way the distance Sun flew while trying to get out of the Buddha's hand was left unstated, generally meant to be a lot. Regardless velocity is going to be a weak point for the Monkey, although as shown in a few instances it was arguable that he has easily accessible teleportation powers.

3: He cooked in Samadhi fires which was supposed to be hotter than the hottest of magical hell/demon fires. It vaporized Sun's heavenly metal armor made for him by the best smiths in the heaven dimension as soon as he entered the chamber(save for one part of the armor he liked and protected for 49 days). He was kept there after all physical, poison and magical means to execute him failed, including one where executioners attempted to rip him apart with the inertia of the Sun and Moon or something. By any case it was implied Sun got himself caught on purpose to detox his fur or for a nice hot sauna(speculation) because he easily defeated(again) the ones who captured him after he let himself out. /End physical abilities.

4: Mystical abilities is a can of worms on another level though. During the JTTW there's are almost countless numbers of little tricks and magical gear he picked up from local pantheons. But his most powerful are his core abilities, including his transformations which overcame any magical and mystical mirror attempts at exposing him, and where his clones were a match for one demon ox king and the heavenly warriors. There's the point and freeze thing, which has worked everytime he used it(but he only ever uses it on below mid-level demons)

5: The pills of "invincibility", very rarely distilled from the Samadhi fires even the Jade Emperor sparingly consumes(Monkey ate the whole batch), the peaches of immortality and "godhood" which bloom once a blue moon(much longer than a human lifetime, I remember thinking), and given only to exceptional mortals(Monkey ate everything save for one basket-full picked by maidens), and the wine.

The ability of Monkey to manipulate the look of the sky and heavens is a little un-quantifiable by today's standards. But a notable instance was when he made a star appear as bright as the sun to scam some demons, which is a nod to certain pretty bright supernovas recorded by Chinese astronomers such as SN 1006, 1054 and 1181.

Basically the draw of the classic was more of its literary, side characters, fantastical universe and zen-pacifist Buddhist master-student dynamics than something like DBZ where Goku underwent massive power up after power ups. Because Sun Wukong could take on his entire verse besides its creator(the Buddha) if he wanted to. Because he's the OG for trickster OP author-wanked protagonists. Probably why so many half-troll defenders who don't even remember or actually read the original(like me as well).

But PC superman will still >>>> anything a pre-industrialization writer can materialize into a proper novel. Except maybe the Buddha in this case, who created the Heaven, hell, demon and Earth dimensions and trapped this very powerful Monkey under an invulnerable materialization of his hand with a very powerful magical seal(the Five Finger Mountain 五指山). Also there's the hand which was seemingly just a few meters across, which the Monkey couldn't fly out of.

your welled writing does not make any near sense to make PC superman to win,

remember only unparalleled magic can hurt Sun Wukong and Superman doesn't know any magic at all so PC superman dont have a chance against Sun Wukong, maybe Harry Potter might have better chance than PC superman, but its just a maybe.

There are many characters who have similar traits to Sun Wukong, but they can be injured with sufficient force. Sun Wukong never get punched by someone who is fueled by PIS force. Invulnerable is very subjective term so be careful when you're trying to use it in Comic Vine debates.

lmao i didnt say he is Invulnerable , he can be harm by powerful magic lol, but the power and ability that superman have cant do any harm to Sun Wukong . Superman is just not match with Sun Wukong , Some one who is very good at Magic would be better match for Sun Wukong lol

btw you and davidtan00000 are same person , you just made new account to reply this Battle Post lol

Wrong, I allow you to inspect my IP address that I'm not the same person as him, I just intervened.

And what can Sun Wukong do to Superman? I have discuss this with one expert in this very thread several months ago, and Sun Wukong don't really have what it takes to take on someone who can survive the condition in the primordial universe (Big Bang).

What can Sun Wukong do to Superman? lol go read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman <---> and <----> http://superman.wikia.com/wiki/Superman%27s_Powers_and_Abilities <-- it explain all version of Superman and where its power came from and weakness, and all version of Superman power came from Yellow Sun like(Earth Sun) and weakness to Red Sun, Magic, and Kryptonite , So Sun Wukong will Hide Yellow Sun From Superman, and Summon Red Sun and then Superman will become weaker and weaker and then Sun Wukong win easily lol

Sun Wukong can't hide the Sun, his powers are mostly physical and his magical power are not that strong either. And in fact, pre-crisis Superman can survive very long time without yellow Sun. Yep, even without yellow Sun, he still can take a Big Bang to his face. Even if Sun Wukong can create red sun (which I don't think he can), Superman can just snuff it out with super-breath (he done this at least 3 times to the stars thousands of times larger than our Sun). And Sun Wukong is not omniscient or telepathic, he will never discover Superman's weaknesses.

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...no limits fallacy ... on Sun Wukong's side on this thread lol.

I'm just saying that Sun Wukong's durability, feats and magics, even if he had no difficulty in it doesn't have enough scale to beat PC supes. He may be able to if he's actually magnitudes of power more powerful than he has ever displayed in JTTW, but that's speculation. Btw the omnipotent of the JTTW verse didn't erase Sun because he's a Buddha. Also he was going to use Sun in the future for the JTTW, namely to teach Xuanzhang a few things by having him tame this crazy monkey.

I'm more for the logical quantification of Sun's feats, like how his manipulation of the stars etc is irrelevant here because he has only ever used it to affect how the heavens look from Earth. Maybe it's just a lightshow, maybe he could actually manipulate those heavy ass stars several thousand light years away to go supernova several thousand years ago(to have their light reach us in the present) , WE DON'T KNOW THAT.lol. Then we have a deadlock flame war with the opposing fanboys.

Sun Wukong(minimum abilities based on battle and durability feats): Normal Thor's strength level, Wonder Women's battle reaction speed, Small star level durability and mysticism abilities of Zatanna(see start of pg 5 for why[may be just a little overblown])

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ha ha ha I don't think superman can win against god's armies and the sky god but Sun Wukong already did. And if u guys talk about speeds and strength i don't think superman is faster and stronger than him and sun also a master of magic and martial art too. superman fighting style is depend on strength alone.it's just like a normal human fighting. i don't think he could win against the monkey king.

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IT'S BACK! >:D

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Oh fuck these Supes fans..Sun Wukong calls in Guan Yin and the next thing you know is that Supes is trapped in a kryptonite prison in the middle of the red sun.

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I vote this thread, which has devolved from a debate to a squabble, to be turned into a Jell-O thread. This would make Bill Cosby very happy.

As for my 2 cents, I'd say Sun Wukong. His speed plus magic would overtake Supes.

Sun Wukong wins. Like this.

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The Superman defenders in this thread are ridiculous

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Buddha is like TOAA

The size of your palm really serious omniverse size if desired.

The Hindu and Buddhist gods are off the scale.

Just look at Chakravartin of asura.

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#218  Edited By JoseLoayza

angryhulks :

http://marvel.wikia.com/Yahweh_(Earth-616)

NO

Yahweh is less than Buda

Yahweh is equal to the Emperor (Emperor of Jade)

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The Jell-O Thread is Back!

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Ok. I am a Chinese, Journey of the West is the very first "book" book I read when I was little, in old fashion print including stuffs such as poetry and such. I may not know much about PC superman other than he is really OP but I can give you guys some info on WuKong.

A: 72 Transformation: It is my understanding, he CAN transform into anything. The number Seventy Two imo represent the parts of his body he can manipulate for the transformation. Average gods have 36 transformations. Think of it this way. Normal gods can transform in 360p while Wukong can transform in 720p. It's more about the detail of transformation, how well you can change, but it doesn't limit the amount of stuffs you can transform into. AND YES HE CAN TRANSFORM INTO INANIMATE OBJECTS. He changed into a house once, or watermelon and such.

B: I don't believe Wukong is as strong as superman. There is one incident in the book where he was forced to carry this monster in disguise, he wanted to throw the guy off but the monster is powerful so he moved a mountain onto Wukong's shoulder, and Wukong was fine. The monster saw it didn't work, so he moved another mountain, and Wukong was still ok, in fact he ran with 2 mountains on his shoulder, but then the monster summoned a third mountain, and Wukong was seeing stars and got crushed by the weight. Mind you he wasn't really hurt or anything but we can gauge his max strength from this and it's nowhere near Superman's.

C: That being said, Wukong is a very crafty monkey, he is a trickster of Loki's caliber. If superman has weakness, he WILL find it, and when he does, he won't even use it right away. He will stash it away and let superman hit him, and when sup trying to hit him, he will astro project his real body away and replace it with a lump of kryptonite, just for hilarity. Superman will punch into the kryptonite and get some stuck in his hand and Wukong would laugh.

D: Plus he can't die, He is immortal in the truest sense. The worst anyone has ever done to him is give him eye sickness because he gets really teary near smoke, it's an old injury from when the gods tried to dispose him inside the heavenly furnace.

In the end, I think Wukong will win if he wants to be crafty. In a straight up fight, I see a draw, Wukong is not nearly strong enough to kill superman with his strength alone, but there isn't anything Superman can do to kill Wukong either.

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Buddha = TOAA

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Ok. I am a Chinese, Journey of the West is the very first "book" book I read when I was little, in old fashion print including stuffs such as poetry and such. I may not know much about PC superman other than he is really OP but I can give you guys some info on WuKong.

A: 72 Transformation: It is my understanding, he CAN transform into anything. The number Seventy Two imo represent the parts of his body he can manipulate for the transformation. Average gods have 36 transformations. Think of it this way. Normal gods can transform in 360p while Wukong can transform in 720p. It's more about the detail of transformation, how well you can change, but it doesn't limit the amount of stuffs you can transform into. AND YES HE CAN TRANSFORM INTO INANIMATE OBJECTS. He changed into a house once, or watermelon and such.

B: I don't believe Wukong is as strong as superman. There is one incident in the book where he was forced to carry this monster in disguise, he wanted to throw the guy off but the monster is powerful so he moved a mountain onto Wukong's shoulder, and Wukong was fine. The monster saw it didn't work, so he moved another mountain, and Wukong was still ok, in fact he ran with 2 mountains on his shoulder, but then the monster summoned a third mountain, and Wukong was seeing stars and got crushed by the weight. Mind you he wasn't really hurt or anything but we can gauge his max strength from this and it's nowhere near Superman's.

C: That being said, Wukong is a very crafty monkey, he is a trickster of Loki's caliber. If superman has weakness, he WILL find it, and when he does, he won't even use it right away. He will stash it away and let superman hit him, and when sup trying to hit him, he will astro project his real body away and replace it with a lump of kryptonite, just for hilarity. Superman will punch into the kryptonite and get some stuck in his hand and Wukong would laugh.

D: Plus he can't die, He is immortal in the truest sense. The worst anyone has ever done to him is give him eye sickness because he gets really teary near smoke, it's an old injury from when the gods tried to dispose him inside the heavenly furnace.

In the end, I think Wukong will win if he wants to be crafty. In a straight up fight, I see a draw, Wukong is not nearly strong enough to kill superman with his strength alone, but there isn't anything Superman can do to kill Wukong either.

sry for late reply but Wukong can actually easily move a planet, according to himself.

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@xxgin: I don't remember that from the book, unless it's in some of the poems. But like I said, I think I can gauge his strength from the time he carried three mountains.

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@xxgin: I don't remember that from the book, unless it's in some of the poems. But like I said, I think I can gauge his strength from the time he carried three mountains.

ya maybe

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Ok. I am a Chinese, Journey of the West is the very first "book" book I read when I was little, in old fashion print including stuffs such as poetry and such. I may not know much about PC superman other than he is really OP but I can give you guys some info on WuKong.

A: 72 Transformation: It is my understanding, he CAN transform into anything. The number Seventy Two imo represent the parts of his body he can manipulate for the transformation. Average gods have 36 transformations. Think of it this way. Normal gods can transform in 360p while Wukong can transform in 720p. It's more about the detail of transformation, how well you can change, but it doesn't limit the amount of stuffs you can transform into. AND YES HE CAN TRANSFORM INTO INANIMATE OBJECTS. He changed into a house once, or watermelon and such.

B: I don't believe Wukong is as strong as superman. There is one incident in the book where he was forced to carry this monster in disguise, he wanted to throw the guy off but the monster is powerful so he moved a mountain onto Wukong's shoulder, and Wukong was fine. The monster saw it didn't work, so he moved another mountain, and Wukong was still ok, in fact he ran with 2 mountains on his shoulder, but then the monster summoned a third mountain, and Wukong was seeing stars and got crushed by the weight. Mind you he wasn't really hurt or anything but we can gauge his max strength from this and it's nowhere near Superman's.

C: That being said, Wukong is a very crafty monkey, he is a trickster of Loki's caliber. If superman has weakness, he WILL find it, and when he does, he won't even use it right away. He will stash it away and let superman hit him, and when sup trying to hit him, he will astro project his real body away and replace it with a lump of kryptonite, just for hilarity. Superman will punch into the kryptonite and get some stuck in his hand and Wukong would laugh.

D: Plus he can't die, He is immortal in the truest sense. The worst anyone has ever done to him is give him eye sickness because he gets really teary near smoke, it's an old injury from when the gods tried to dispose him inside the heavenly furnace.

In the end, I think Wukong will win if he wants to be crafty. In a straight up fight, I see a draw, Wukong is not nearly strong enough to kill superman with his strength alone, but there isn't anything Superman can do to kill Wukong either.

I pretty much agree with most of your statements.

The novel does have quite a bit of elaboration about Wukong's abilities than the TV adaptations do show, but by and large, those elaboration doesn't translate much in terms of feats. Stalemating the entire Taoist pantheon, outside of the context of the writer trying to make Taoists look bad, doesn't mention that Wukong is light-speed or anything, or any numerical attributes we can relate to. In the end, feats-wise Wukong only showed mountain-level strength, which by ancient fiction entertainment standards, I guess, is mind-boggling impressive for a non-omnipotent character.

Sun Wukong could beat Superman, but its only via his quick wits. Power for power, Wukong can't do much.

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Ok. I am a Chinese, Journey of the West is the very first "book" book I read when I was little, in old fashion print including stuffs such as poetry and such. I may not know much about PC superman other than he is really OP but I can give you guys some info on WuKong.

A: 72 Transformation: It is my understanding, he CAN transform into anything. The number Seventy Two imo represent the parts of his body he can manipulate for the transformation. Average gods have 36 transformations. Think of it this way. Normal gods can transform in 360p while Wukong can transform in 720p. It's more about the detail of transformation, how well you can change, but it doesn't limit the amount of stuffs you can transform into. AND YES HE CAN TRANSFORM INTO INANIMATE OBJECTS. He changed into a house once, or watermelon and such.

B: I don't believe Wukong is as strong as superman. There is one incident in the book where he was forced to carry this monster in disguise, he wanted to throw the guy off but the monster is powerful so he moved a mountain onto Wukong's shoulder, and Wukong was fine. The monster saw it didn't work, so he moved another mountain, and Wukong was still ok, in fact he ran with 2 mountains on his shoulder, but then the monster summoned a third mountain, and Wukong was seeing stars and got crushed by the weight. Mind you he wasn't really hurt or anything but we can gauge his max strength from this and it's nowhere near Superman's.

C: That being said, Wukong is a very crafty monkey, he is a trickster of Loki's caliber. If superman has weakness, he WILL find it, and when he does, he won't even use it right away. He will stash it away and let superman hit him, and when sup trying to hit him, he will astro project his real body away and replace it with a lump of kryptonite, just for hilarity. Superman will punch into the kryptonite and get some stuck in his hand and Wukong would laugh.

D: Plus he can't die, He is immortal in the truest sense. The worst anyone has ever done to him is give him eye sickness because he gets really teary near smoke, it's an old injury from when the gods tried to dispose him inside the heavenly furnace.

In the end, I think Wukong will win if he wants to be crafty. In a straight up fight, I see a draw, Wukong is not nearly strong enough to kill superman with his strength alone, but there isn't anything Superman can do to kill Wukong either.

I pretty much agree with most of your statements.

The novel does have quite a bit of elaboration about Wukong's abilities than the TV adaptations do show, but by and large, those elaboration doesn't translate much in terms of feats. Stalemating the entire Taoist pantheon, outside of the context of the writer trying to make Taoists look bad, doesn't mention that Wukong is light-speed or anything, or any numerical attributes we can relate to. In the end, feats-wise Wukong only showed mountain-level strength, which by ancient fiction entertainment standards, I guess, is mind-boggling impressive for a non-omnipotent character.

Sun Wukong could beat Superman, but its only via his quick wits. Power for power, Wukong can't do much.

Just stop.. I beat you in the other thread

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@xxgin said:
@donatellorawks said:
@flonominal said:

Ok. I am a Chinese, Journey of the West is the very first "book" book I read when I was little, in old fashion print including stuffs such as poetry and such. I may not know much about PC superman other than he is really OP but I can give you guys some info on WuKong.

A: 72 Transformation: It is my understanding, he CAN transform into anything. The number Seventy Two imo represent the parts of his body he can manipulate for the transformation. Average gods have 36 transformations. Think of it this way. Normal gods can transform in 360p while Wukong can transform in 720p. It's more about the detail of transformation, how well you can change, but it doesn't limit the amount of stuffs you can transform into. AND YES HE CAN TRANSFORM INTO INANIMATE OBJECTS. He changed into a house once, or watermelon and such.

B: I don't believe Wukong is as strong as superman. There is one incident in the book where he was forced to carry this monster in disguise, he wanted to throw the guy off but the monster is powerful so he moved a mountain onto Wukong's shoulder, and Wukong was fine. The monster saw it didn't work, so he moved another mountain, and Wukong was still ok, in fact he ran with 2 mountains on his shoulder, but then the monster summoned a third mountain, and Wukong was seeing stars and got crushed by the weight. Mind you he wasn't really hurt or anything but we can gauge his max strength from this and it's nowhere near Superman's.

C: That being said, Wukong is a very crafty monkey, he is a trickster of Loki's caliber. If superman has weakness, he WILL find it, and when he does, he won't even use it right away. He will stash it away and let superman hit him, and when sup trying to hit him, he will astro project his real body away and replace it with a lump of kryptonite, just for hilarity. Superman will punch into the kryptonite and get some stuck in his hand and Wukong would laugh.

D: Plus he can't die, He is immortal in the truest sense. The worst anyone has ever done to him is give him eye sickness because he gets really teary near smoke, it's an old injury from when the gods tried to dispose him inside the heavenly furnace.

In the end, I think Wukong will win if he wants to be crafty. In a straight up fight, I see a draw, Wukong is not nearly strong enough to kill superman with his strength alone, but there isn't anything Superman can do to kill Wukong either.

I pretty much agree with most of your statements.

The novel does have quite a bit of elaboration about Wukong's abilities than the TV adaptations do show, but by and large, those elaboration doesn't translate much in terms of feats. Stalemating the entire Taoist pantheon, outside of the context of the writer trying to make Taoists look bad, doesn't mention that Wukong is light-speed or anything, or any numerical attributes we can relate to. In the end, feats-wise Wukong only showed mountain-level strength, which by ancient fiction entertainment standards, I guess, is mind-boggling impressive for a non-omnipotent character.

Sun Wukong could beat Superman, but its only via his quick wits. Power for power, Wukong can't do much.

Just stop.. I beat you in the other thread

wukong is much stronger than people think he is