The Illuminati (MCU) vs The Black Order (MCU)

Battle of the overrated fodders

No Xavier for the illuminati

No Prep

Neutral battlefield

Random Encounter

Standard Gear

Who wins?

"Battle of the overrated fodders" 😂

OT: Illuminati probably wins.

Maria beats Cull

Black Bolt can one shot Maw, Proxima and Corvus with a shout. But he's also a glass canon, he needs to be aware of Maw.

Captain Carter = Proxima

Mr. Fantastic can probably beat Proxima, but Corvus's weapon counters him.

The Black Order clown these fodder. Statue level Captain Marvel, who doesn't scale to her main MCU counterpart, gets one-shot (saying the statue is made of unknown metals is a cope.) Main MCU Carol took a hit from Power Stone Thanos and survived without any injury. Saying that variant scales to her is pure wank. Unless, Wanda throwing the statue > Power Stone Thanos)

Edit: I changed my mind.....

Maw Solo-STOMPS

Black Order wins.

Black Order >Hawkeye >Wanda >The Jobbers

Black Order with some casualties on their side

@kevinforgod: man your tears are real salty…

@cryolancer47:

Wanda legitimately drained her power, she’s the same strength as our Captain Marvel until Wanda took away her binary form.

@theonewhodoesso: You're wrong, mate.

Let me explain:

Just because Wanda drained and killed a variant =/ Draining and killing OG MCU Carol. Since variants vary in power drastically in comparison to their MCU counterparts. Otherwise, you get Cull Obsidian level Thanos.

And we also know that Wanda didn't drain that version of Cap Marvel completely. Since she survived the explosion as well as hitting the statue at such speed and falling down from high up and then reacting to it and trying to shield herself. Something a regular human. With regular durability, wouldn't be capable of doing after what happened to them a few seconds earlier. Which means she wasn't fully drained like you, and a few others have claimed before.

Also, she only drained her and turned off her binary mode. We don't know if she drained her to the point where her passive power level is gone. So that's another point to take into consideration. Unless, you think base Carol can also die when a statue falls on her.

I'm not sure the Captain Marvel variant can solo Cull and Maw, she can probably beat either but if she gets restrained by Maw its game over. The other members are non factors like seriously how badly did Raimi screw up Black Bolt? I guess he can vaporize them by opening his mouth but its hard to show how strong he is when he got outright fodderized so easily. Leaning the Black Order only because Captain Marvel can't do all the heavy lifting IMO

Bump

Illuminai.

First off the wizard beats Cull… let’s just get that strait… portal gg. Cull is particularly bad against magic.

BB solos the rest.. he vaped a strange and busted ground good.

@death4bunnies:

Earth 838 Mordo never showcased the use of teleportation or even showed he had the sling ring

Maria might solo, though they do need to be somewhat careful of Corvus and potentially Midnight's weapons.

It’s a pretty base wizard power, (no sling ring really?), but maybe his sword would do just fine… I’ll think on it and rewatch Mordo…but I really think wizards > Cull in general.

Captain Marvel might solo, Maw is the only problem.

Bump after the recent slew of debunks and downgrade

Still Illuminati but extreme diff / by hair assuming Mordo is included. Maria carries real hard.

Order stomps

BO

Cull knocked Tony down a city block and through a building, he’d probably one shot everyone here not named Maria. Mordo is a cqc fighter more than anything else, he‘d get stomped trying to fight Maw that way. The deciding factors of this fight are how Mordo decides to fight and how much damage BB’s voice can do to the order.

Does Reed explain everyone's weaknesses again and sell the fight? Illuminati curbs with 0 effort. Black Bolt solos himself as long as he can open his mouth.

Black Bolt wasn't even weak in MoM, his power was turned against him.