The hands, dream of the endless and composite mxy vs composite living tribunal

No morals.

Fight is to the death.

Who wins and why?

Peak LT still wins

LT blinks

LT dies horribly.

WF Mxy says no.

While Perpetua doesn't win, there are 6 Super Celestials, known as Hands. They are all Multiversal+.

6 of them, Dream, and WF Mxy? Not sure how you think LT wins this honestly.

@Aristeaus:

WF Mxy is overrated though still top player for team here

Why are they Multiversal Plus exactly?! Cause each can make a Multiverse? Yea if given the time, much like a child Franklin yet he's still not a true Multiversal power.

The same group of beings that are scared to confront Perpetua (who believed with only crisis energies of her multiverse could defeat all her siblings) head on and needed direct assistance from Cosmic Raptor(Who most likely is a direct avatar like being of their creators)

I think that cuz peak LT is truly beyond Multiversal powers, Multiversal Abstracts are way way Way beneath him(who are multiversal powers themselves) and he is the guardian of infinite multiverses. He's a Megaversal(Omniversal) Power of his perspective Verse which no one on the DC side can say

The hands were not scared to confront Perpetua. They didn't need assistance, THEY sent the raptor. The Raptor is subservient to them.

There also wasn't crisis energies at the time you are referring to. There was the Anti-Crisis energy, but that is the same energy ALL hands possess.

If you are referring to her return, the Hands wanted the multiverse to be destroyed. That was well explained. They ended up sparing it due to wonder womans sacrifice.

As for LT, he has been beaten/killed many times. Owen is stronger then him, and Owen is weaker then people on the DC team.

@Aristeaus:

Ok I typed that out fast and probable embellished on that part a little with them being scared of perpetua 🤙

But it is unknown of where the cosmic raptor came from or what was it's powers from. Something that they created with combined powers or even possible presence/source given to them for direction thru super celestials. Anyways just speculation and unknown facts

Anyways LT has been downgraded severely in recent years and in no way indicates him at his peak power levels. Also silverage LT is much below himself at his best and is him at his weakest incarnation really.

SA LT - at best was a peer of top abstracts but honestly only in his function not his power levels IMO

Peak LT - leagues above combined Multiversal abstracts and overseer of Infinite multiverses

Current LT- at best a Multiversal power only who is only slightly above the top Multiversal abstracts if that

PR-MM is also above anyone on DC and was leagues above combined Multiversal abstracts. Let me know when the combined endless admit they are nothing to someone on this list for dc

It is very well known where the Cosmic Raptor came from. It came from the judges of the source, which were the other super celestials.

As for who created it or where its power comes from, that isn't known, but doesn't particularly matter here.

Your power scaling for LT seems to be based on beliefs as opposed to facts or feats. Which is rather ironic, since you just downplayed the Cosmic Raptor based on speculation and unknown facts. :-P

The Owen I referred to was not PR btw.

@Aristeaus:

@Aristeaus:

Well it does matter if your trying to scale the raptor to the hands. We know the raptor is above a single super celestial (perpetua) by far. So it seems unlikely its power comes from a super celestial even if a group of them.

Also being directed or guided or subservient as you put it to the celestials doesn't necessarily mean they are above it's power levels.

No LT scaling is based on feats and facts

Peak

1. LT is directly stated to be the ultimate overseer and judge of infinite Multiverses (plural)

2. Shown to be a power equal if not above the original IG which was leagues above Multiversal aspects

3. Also again directly stated to be leagues above Multiversal abstracts in quasar #50, starbrand storyline.

More current is straight downgraded in Beyonders storyline as simple a living multiverse

SA his power was never fleshed out and had some horribly low showings which should make it quite obvious was at his weakest. His authority as judge was more his main forte

When has a non PR MM shown to be above LT?

Does Mxy even need help?

Sandman and WF Mxy solos

Dream stomps, Myx can comfortably solo, and If The Hands are so powerful as Perpetua claims, they are soloing as well.

Ooooh, fun...

1: Cool. WF Mxy destroyed infinite universes and realities ( their own multiverses ). I think feats > Statements in this case.

2: The other aspects are M-Bodies, and are not Multiversal. Trying to scale the IG to Multiversal, then using that to scale to LT doesn't work here.

3: Quasar #50 is a bad example. LT states she has powers that rival abstracts, but LT doesn't stop her or kill her. The implication being that he is not leagues above them at all. If he was, there would be no reason for him to risk the entirety of the multiverse in a contest between Quasar and Surfer.

4: Owen killed the beyonders, who themselves killed LT. Secret Wars. So... Yeah. Owen > LT.

You really gotta come with better stuff then that. Even I know of better LT feats.

Mxy solos

@Aristeaus:

1. He destroyed a single multiverse only (Don't try to composite cosmology to exaggerate feats), Eternity has shown to be this powerful.

2. Wrong, they were all Multiversal abstracts throughout original infinity trilogy and the scaling works just fine when you accept this. The main point here but not the only one would be when Warlock during Infinity crusade seeks out eternity/infinity against the goddess but brushes off the goddess and warlock as getting involved in a single universal problem/destruction is beneath him and only one small aspect to his being and not even deemed relevant in the least unlike Thanos/Magus with IG

3. Stated to be a peer to Multiversal abstracts(She actually owned Multiversal Chaos/Order) but still below the power of LT, he's not one to be a braggart but was just stating the facts. He also simply saw a way to win without a battle taking place that could destroy the multiverse and took that option. He always tries to do other options then battle cause of potential destruction

4. Flawed logic and conclusions. Honestly don't have time to get into all this. Beyonders were above MM though even though he was the instrument of their defeat

Yea I must be rusty 🤙

1: Except... it is specifically said that alternate realities are their own multiverses... sooo, not exaggerating anything.

2: They are not. There are Multiversal versions of abstracts, but the ones present in each universe are M-Bodies(the ones Thanos put into Stasis), and are only Universal in power at maximum. This is well explained. Not quite sure how you do not know this.

3: If LT Is leagues above multiversal abstracts, then there wouldn't even be a fight. He would blink her out of existence. That argument doesn't hold water. He has done this before to other enemies that rival Cosmics. Not only that, if your argument is that IG traps Multiversal Abstracts, then again, it makes your 3rd point moot. LT effortlessly made the IG not work.

4: Thats fine... but MM is still > Beyonders, who are > LT.

Might be rust, but seems like you are just unaware of some of the cosmology of Marvel.

@Aristeaus:

1. It never said that at all within that storyline

2. Idk, maybe cuz it's false. Even when you point to use of M-bodies, its never stated at all that it limits them or their powers

3. For sake of storylines things don't happen that easily. How does that make anything moot? Also LT himself didn't make IG not work but TOAA, LT simply carried out the order

4. Context my friends

If you say so 🤙

1: Not within the WF story, but it is well documented within the DC Cosmology.

2: Its not false, you just don't seem to understand marvel cosmology. A universal gauntlet has no power over multiversal beings. We know the IG is universal from many other stories involving it. We know that the abstracts use M-Bodies in each universe. Not sure why you are having such a hard time here.

3: The fight ended in like 3 panels. There was no storyline to be had. There was nothing special. If LT wrecked her, the story doesn't change, you lose a few panels.

And no, LT was the one who made the IG not work. That was not TOAA.

@Aristeaus:

1. One should not be using composite cosmology to blow up feats unless specifically stated. The UN has shown Multiversal power but I don't use that for IG to blow up that feat of casually containing and controlling it's power cuz it was not so within that storyline

2. Oh I see your using watered down recton IG. Classic IG was Multiversal Plus. Yes current IG is universal but I'm talking about pre recton version. Again your using composite cosmology to do the opposite here to downplay. We are talking about specific storylines.

Also where was it ever stated that a M-Body has less power? Yes certain storylines may indeed have eternity as universal but this was not the case in IG, IW or IC sagas.

3. Missing the point I think, any power displays could of potentially seeped into the countless doorways to other realities

4. Wrong, this is straight stated by eternity that is was TOAA who passed down the judgement on the IG

Alright man, doesn't seem like logic or reasoning seems to apply to you.

Eternity is the embodiment of a universe, and a manifestation of Multi-Eternity, the embodiment of all universes.

Eternitys first appearence was 1965. Multi-Eternitys first appearance was 1981. The IG story came out in 1991.

Arguing that it wasn't the case in IG/IW/IC is laughable.

@Aristeaus:

if you say so 🤙

x2

dc team solos

Composite Mxy vs Composite LT is good enough there was no need for the rest.

I'm going to say team 1 because they outnumber.

3 multiversals vs 1 multiversal

A low multiversal abstract that is bound by the survival of his own multiverse, his powers are limited to the quantum zone limits and is vulnerable to beings outside his reality, uncapable of claim them and can be killed by physical blasts vs. a bunch of individuals that are all beyond omniversal-extra-dimensional-beyond reality-boundless to time, space, physics.

Anyone in the team 1 stomps

Tribunal one shots

he is above Cosmic Cubes which can destroy and recreate an infinite number of multiverses in an instant

Low multiversal abstracts that are bound by the survival of their own multiverse, their powers are limited to the quantum physics limits and are vulnerable to any extra-dimensional beings outside their reality, uncapable of claim them and can be killed by physical blasts vs. a chadbunal beyond omniversal-extra-dimensional-beyond reality-boundless to time, space, physics.

Well, ignoring the Mandabub's troll alt (@sirdragonfly) opinion above, as everyone always does which cause to question why he is still even trying yo sound relevant, Mxy solos and one-shots.

He is the weakest of his team, and still he can destroy LT among with the multiverse comfortably, so no even talking about what a member of The Endless or The Hands, that views the entire infinite omniverse contained in the Orrery as fictions, would do to him. Mxy can even access and have power over to the superior fundamental realms outside the multiverses and beyond reality, while LT that is trapped inside his quantifiable multiverse could no even dream to replicate. On the other hand LT was stomped by energy-attacks from The Beyonders, and this ones were murdered by an explosion that is not even multiversal and his source of power is molecule manipulation, which of course, Mxy doesn't have since he is from a superior plane boundless to any physical attack and the rules of reality, which cause all LT attack to be useless here, not to mention that all the extent of LT powers is limited to his local multiverse and all his feats no even suggest that he is multiversal at all, which is contradicted even by the fact that he would die when his multiverse does.

LT

Mxy stomps, The Hands god-stomps, Dream astronomically trashes him, next one.

The hands:

scared of planetversal fodder Perpetua

CAS (the strongest DC character) is Starversal

Living Tribunal blinks fodder verse

@elspectrum:

Hey EISpectrum aka @lucifertruegod

If I am Mandabub's alt then you are Ta-Er's alt. Exposed

Literally everyone from team DC solos

Reasons?

@levtarkovski: LT stomps

Living Tribunal Was Alive Since Oblivion Before All Was and when Time and Space Of The Omniverse was Not and watched the Celestials build things Eventually leading to The 7th Reality/Cosmos and Implied that the Tribunal in the SuperFlow was an Aspect and his True Form (True Face/Body) is Yet to be Seen (it’s an M-Body then)

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/g_rvQkM18lYQb79p59Zo8M2djOHTfHROBwM51SvvoiFuktp17vRpz9chnQeSCk6yHOmfLsO_z83UnOXRLDgw-8VPppxi5FSR8fcxD9HVWcaFd2zxu8JDVSpN4YokM5mFQhBYWg=s0

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/D5oMH-ts4WAO3HK-r1SDTwmooAvAg7oCgwS92RIkd96wRXB_jpO_88lucRwFjE6mwtiDLgEMdgq5=s0

We’ve never Seen The True Form Of The Tribunal and is unknown if he has one

https://i.servimg.com/u/f62/19/00/38/35/tlt10.jpg

M-Bodies are Basically Essences and Lesser Fractals Of Abstract/Conceptual/Powerful Energetic Lifeforms to help supply assistance to Universes/Multiverses in case the lesser Fractals aren’t already employed some Vary in Numbers like for example Eternity is so complex and transinfinite that he has so many numerous Amounts (power and Quality can vary)

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/F4TELli_5f6lhxAtpwLXfALoy31eRvHFAwVTXkhBOYxzdDqxkO3j1UmVwWa5M-KQVyrz_YOCcod_=s0

And in LT’s Case, M-Body’s on his end merely represent him and not his true form (Even Humans and other various beings can make M-Bodies for Manifest Needs)

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ddZ6W8u3ye-ZCVDyC__nVoIQgmCV5roDLMjWPrv2VbveyJ9iRpm9TnQFhnH36Uge0piDUkDdJ30j=s0

The Realm/Phenomena/Beings Responsible For This Phenomenon is a Being Called Anthropomorpho and The Living Fractals

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/7ojExhFI1DUed4bzMMKIzZtpCEQ-gipxgfby6dzCMg7nTXNL5XveCXUBn0Cmesx6jizlUEnt5w_o=s0 (

A Sample List Of Beings who use M-Bodies are Listed and In the Secret Wars 1 and 2 it’s confirmed Beyonder dealt with a Set amount of M-Bodies)

The Dimension Of Manifestations Is Noted On The Abstracts Note in the History Of The Marvel Universe (2019) (Extra: The Living Tribunal is Noted as the Strongest Abstract Above Death, Oblivion, Eternity and Infinity)

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/tdvXn2AI6fl9B13Vlhua881qdiAmWaNxNsnlkYJIDOQt98eJ64KwmTA5axSgr6wRe65hn4dfYrt_amc3jdDeY_sUEN_7cQvcF2plSsxftVJK-zIkTevGxsNwInVp0wMoKJYUyWtsbQ=s0

Manifestation Bodies Can Also be deemed as Multiverse Bodies that are Automatically Made and Proceeded from the Birth Of A Universe/Multiverse

Each US Eternity That Is The Universe Itself is But a Cell, Dust Particle to The M-Bodies Of The Multiversal Eternity which means “higher beings” includes the Universes

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699804132005118033/700919468011946015/image0.jpg

Here is the comic where the Manifestation Dimension "where the abstracts get their M-Bodies" is mentioned.

It also means Multiverse Body, like A Universe Stationed Eternity to An Endless Multi Eternity, Confirmed that each universe in Marvel results in An Eternity and Those Universes Are Boundless/Infinite: https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/13/137334/3221970-7968593221-27182.jpg.

Death and Eternity are The Sum Of All Life and Death according to their bio

https://foxsuperpowerlist.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/embodiment-function-death-abstract-entity-official-handbook-of-the-marvel-universe-v2-3.jpg?w=760

For Eternity it’s Reinstated

https://66.media.tumblr.com/4bcf6fc727313cf6fdd8272421a7ab2f/b41b141505cb7891-51/s500x750/12d8c49a3528359647f858e3d0ae772ce4f35a5c.png

LT’s Three Faces Are embodiments Of Eternity (Life) and Mistress Death (Death) (and just about every other Abstract)

https://m.imgur.com/a/phfGWcY

It’s stated clear he transcends them and their realms as well

https://m.imgur.com/a/osR4RSR

Eternity And Death Are Equals (Scan is Above But I’ll post it again)

Death = Eternity (All Death = All Life)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699973481563029585/699974143214485555/pihilXu_d-2-1.jpg

So LT > All Life and All Death

The Far Shore is The Edge Of Everything at the Same Time Being The Edge Of The Outside and Mystery, Beyond All Life and All Death, No Time, No Space And No Self. (Which LT Qualifies)

https://m.imgur.com/a/duxeLqF

https://m.imgur.com/a/xpL2CYG

LT’s Power should reach there. (The Contents Of The Far Shore will be Covered on another Note)

Now let’s talk about the nexus of realities in Relation to LT’s Power

It connects to all planes, all realms, all dimensions, all realities and all times

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699972488733392920/720788818504056923/image0.png

The Nexus Of Realities extends to The Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse, All Universes, All Realities and Beyond according to Dematteis

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699972488733392920/700103278213464095/image0.jpg

The Nexus Is linked To All Reality, Every Plane Of Existence

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699972488733392920/699975012819402824/image0-229-1.jpg

To it the Nexus views Darkness and Light, Love and Hate, Life and Death, Male and Female as Thought/Dreams

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699972488733392920/699975013159403630/RCO019_1468938193.jpg

It’s where time, space, imaginations, and dreams collide and also sent a ripple though creation

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699972488733392920/700016659385155624/image0.jpg

Where “Reality” Itself and it’s Concepts spring Forth and are thrown out the window

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699972488733392920/700017096603467776/image0.jpg

The M’kraan Crystal is Just That; The Nexus Of All Realities, All that Is and Ever Was, Bound by Neither Space Nor Time

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699972488733392920/699995840172785765/6906933-4503560183-G14ajlNwGO2RGCqXNzl2X9gDDGlNJvDPuyO5Ibf0SKJmXjS4XnPu7sKoMD0ewgvut8EQ0QZvzufks1600.jpeg

(The Full Bio): https://m.imgur.com/a/LqLC3Xo

It can absorb, retain and destroy all that is

https://pm1.narvii.com/5891/6b55b1f624215acb0f79d78681a97306b6be1d9c_hq.jpg

**The M’kraan Crystal Has and is the spiral; which is the spaces between Multiverses as well as having Omniversal waves** which would indicate it’s Of Omniversal Nature in General.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/722748553998630932/722862657367048202/image0.jpg

LT wank here is a meme.

Anyone from team 1 can clear the entire Marvel's cosmic pantheon, Living Tribunal is nothing.

Mxy blinks the fodder verse, missmatch.

If composite LT means wanked scaling LT then he wins, if composite LT means only his direct feats, he loses.

LT one-shots 1000000^952387291371982371831283612983172783172395232193821371 Googleplex times over.

Multiple solos