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#1 Edited by alternative_backup (931 posts) - - Show Bio
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Who win?

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#2 Posted by SheenLantern (7619 posts) - - Show Bio

LT

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#3 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7513 posts) - - Show Bio

That image of LT is pretty dope.

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#4 Posted by alternative_backup (931 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf The Living Tribunal should be a model, not a judge. Lol.

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#5 Posted by Soothing_Sounds (2296 posts) - - Show Bio

GEB is said to be as strong as the Presence, who why i doubt is TOAA level, should at least be stronger than LT

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#6 Posted by JackKnight (2974 posts) - - Show Bio

GEB wins, He is an aspect of the Presence.

How?

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#7 Posted by SheenLantern (7619 posts) - - Show Bio
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#8 Posted by JackKnight (2974 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackknight: Better feats

Then according to that logic the Living Tribunal has better feats then the Presence!

GEB is pretty much on par with Thanos with HOTU and we all know how that fight with the Living Tribunal ended.

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#9 Posted by SheenLantern (7619 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern said:

@jackknight: Better feats

Then according to that logic the Living Tribunal has better feats then the Presence!

GEB is pretty much on par with Thanos with HOTU and we all know how that fight with the Living Tribunal ended.

Well the Presence is basically featless so I guess that's true.

But where was all this GEB = Presence stuff actually stated on panel as fact?

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#10 Edited by JackKnight (2974 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackknight said:

@sheenlantern said:

@jackknight: Better feats

Then according to that logic the Living Tribunal has better feats then the Presence!

GEB is pretty much on par with Thanos with HOTU and we all know how that fight with the Living Tribunal ended.

Well the Presence is basically featless so I guess that's true.

But where was all this GEB = Presence stuff actually stated on panel as fact?

What makes you think the Presence is featless?

Also GEB is not = the Presence but he's not far off but still much above the Living Tribunal.

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#11 Edited by FrozenPhoenix (1937 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: "This being is outside of The Presence's creation.[1] This is no fallen Angel or Leviathan, this is the soul of darkness itself. A complete absence of divine light.[2] This being is in every way equal to the power of the Presence, but his opposite who existed before Creation.[3]"

Wikipedia is the first place I looked. But do we trust it?

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#12 Posted by SheenLantern (7619 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackknight said:

GEB is not = the Presence but he's not far off

Based on what facts?

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#14 Posted by JackKnight (2974 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackknight said:

GEB is not = the Presence but he's not far off

Based on what facts?

The fact that GEB is an aspect of the Presence.

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#15 Posted by SheenLantern (7619 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern said:

@jackknight said:

GEB is not = the Presence but he's not far off

Based on what facts?

The fact that GEB is an aspect of the Presence.

And?

My fingernail is an aspect of me but it's plenty far off.

Being an aspect of the Presence does not = omnipotence, it's already proven that the Presence is not the true supreme being of DC, he said himself that there exist things above him. He can be tricked, he can be manipulated, there are things he doesn't know.

The Presence is not omnipotent.

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#16 Posted by willpayton (22092 posts) - - Show Bio

LT

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#17 Posted by Mattersuit (4295 posts) - - Show Bio

Yah, Marvel's super ultra mega top tiers are > DC's

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#18 Posted by Iragexcudder (9464 posts) - - Show Bio

Great Evil Beast is darkness itself. GEB does not have any feats that could even be brought to discussion, just a bunch of folk tale about it. LT wins plainly off feats.

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#19 Edited by JackKnight (2974 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackknight said:

@sheenlantern said:

@jackknight said:

GEB is not = the Presence but he's not far off

Based on what facts?

The fact that GEB is an aspect of the Presence.

And?

My fingernail is an aspect of me but it's plenty far off.

Being an aspect of the Presence does not = omnipotence, it's already proven that the Presence is not the true supreme being of DC, he said himself that there exist things above him. He can be tricked, he can be manipulated, there are things he doesn't know.

The Presence is not omnipotent.

Oh god not is whole "The Presence is not omnipotent" again!

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And before you ask yes I know that scan where he says that he was shaped by outside forces, but that was only mentioned in the whole history of DC ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even then a creation and become more powerful then his/her creator, HELL! Yog-Sothoth in Lovecraft's work was actually the supreme being in the Cthulhu Mythos not Azathoth!!!!!!!!!!!!

And not knowing everything doesn't mean that your not omnipotent, it just means that your not omniscient.

When was the Presence manipulated? I've heard that John Constantine tricked him but @darkraiden already storted out what actually happened in the "Who can beat John Constantine" thread.

Oh and don't get me started on the Over-Monitor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#20 Posted by SheenLantern (7619 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern said:

@jackknight said:

@sheenlantern said:

@jackknight said:

GEB is not = the Presence but he's not far off

Based on what facts?

The fact that GEB is an aspect of the Presence.

And?

My fingernail is an aspect of me but it's plenty far off.

Being an aspect of the Presence does not = omnipotence, it's already proven that the Presence is not the true supreme being of DC, he said himself that there exist things above him. He can be tricked, he can be manipulated, there are things he doesn't know.

The Presence is not omnipotent.

Oh god not is whole "The Presence is not omnipotent" again!

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And before you ask yes I know that scan where he says that he was shaped by outside forces, but that was only mentioned in the whole history of DC ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even then a creation and become more powerful then his/her creator, HELL! Yog-Sothoth in Lovecraft's work was actually the supreme being in the Cthulhu Mythos not Azathoth!!!!!!!!!!!!

And not knowing everything doesn't mean that your not omnipotent, it just means that your not omniscient.

When was the Presence manipulated? I've heard that John Constantine tricked him but @darkraiden already storted out what actually happened in the "Who can beat John Constantine" thread.

Oh and don't get me started on the Over-Monitor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Omniscience comes with Omnipotence... How could you control everything without knowing everything? To be omnipotent, your power must be infinite, you have to have the ability to do everything and have every ability. Omniscience is an ability

"but that was only mentioned in the whole history of DC ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yes, and GEB has appeared how many times? Once? Twice? guess we should ignore him, too. Meaning LT wins by default.

What the hell does H.P. Lovecraft have to do with this?

"already storted out what actually happened in the "Who can beat John Constantine" thread."

So he threatened him? Guess that proves he's not omnipotent, too.

Not really possible to be tricked if you can control everything and anything without limit.
Not really possible to be tricked if you can control everything and anything without limit.

"Oh and don't get me started on the Over-Monitor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

If you think using an overabundance of exclamation marks is going to make you look smart and clever, you're wrong.

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#23 Posted by New_World_Order (14895 posts) - - Show Bio

Yah, Marvel's super ultra mega top tiers are > DC's

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#24 Posted by KingOfAsh (3935 posts) - - Show Bio

Great Evil Beast

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#25 Posted by russellmania77 (17601 posts) - - Show Bio
did you see that?
did you see that?

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#26 Posted by Enzeru--defunct (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

I will leave out the Mother Of Existence!

JUDGING BY TIER

1. The One Above All
2. The Presence / The Great Evil Beast
3. Living Tribunal

JUDGING BY POWER

1. The One Above All
2. The Presence / The Great Evil Beast
3. Living Tribunal

JUDGING BY THE AMOUNT FEATS

1. Living Tribunal
3. The Presence / The Great Evil Beast
3. The One Above All

Judging by their positions in the respective universes the Great Evil Beast has a slightly higher placement than the Living Tribunal.
You would compare the Living Tribunal to Michael D. - that would be a stalemate.

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#28 Posted by GhostRavage (14945 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: That's exactly what i think... Why someone Omnipotent would have a counter part that couldn't be affected? TOAA is a Supreme being therefore he is above everybody, not implying he has someone next to him. Which makes me think TOAA>Presence because if Presence can't affect GEB... Then he is not truly omnipotent... Am i right?

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I will leave out the Mother Of Existence!

JUDGING BY TIER

1. The One Above All

2. The Presence / The Great Evil Beast

3. Living Tribunal

JUDGING BY POWER

1. The One Above All

2. The Presence / The Great Evil Beast

3. Living Tribunal

JUDGING BY THE AMOUNT FEATS

1. Living Tribunal

3. The Presence / The Great Evil Beast

3. The One Above All

Judging by their positions in the respective universes the Great Evil Beast has a slightly higher placement than the Living Tribunal.

You would compare the Living Tribunal to Michael D. - that would be a stalemate.

No... The One Above All, appeared in a issue where he clearly shows himself as Jack Kirby... Literally... in front of Reed Richards... His only feat its enough to put him above everybody in those terms.

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#29 Posted by Enzeru--defunct (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

No... The One Above All, appeared in a issue where he clearly shows himself as Jack Kirby... Literally... in front of Reed Richards... His only feat its enough to put him above everybody in those terms.

That's why he is twice on the first place o_O Just not, when it comes to the amount of feats, because Living Tribunal had the most exposure.

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#30 Posted by GhostRavage (14945 posts) - - Show Bio

@enzeru said:
@ghostravage said:

No... The One Above All, appeared in a issue where he clearly shows himself as Jack Kirby... Literally... in front of Reed Richards... His only feat its enough to put him above everybody in those terms.

That's why he is twice on the first place o_O Just not, when it comes to the amount of feats, because Living Tribunal had the most exposure.

Exposure has nothing to do with character classification...If Thanos comes and bust a planet, but only appears in 1 issue, while Batman appears in 9000 issues beating street levelers.... That doesn't put Batman above Thanos because the feat itself isn't even near to what Thanos did... Got my point?

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#31 Posted by Enzeru--defunct (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

Exposure has nothing to do with character classification...If Thanos comes and bust a planet, but only appears in 1 issue, while Batman appears in 9000 issues beating street levelers.... That doesn't put Batman above Thanos because the feat itself isn't even near to what Thanos did... Got my point?

What I'm saying is that Living Tribunal has the most feats and just in that regard he is on the first place.
I'm not saying that because he has the most feats, that he is superior to the other two, because TOAA can still erase him... Got my point?

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#32 Edited by GhostRavage (14945 posts) - - Show Bio

@enzeru: Fair enough, so you're saying that in quantity of feats, Living Tribunal is above them 2... Am i right?

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#33 Posted by Enzeru--defunct (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: Exactly. And of course it's about high level feats, because otherwise one could throw in some Galactus in there as well.

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#34 Edited by GhostRavage (14945 posts) - - Show Bio

@enzeru: Fair enough. You may edit your comment to avoid future misinterpretation :P

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#35 Edited by Hyper_God (939 posts) - - Show Bio
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#36 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyper_god: What's that from, and what's context of the scan?

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#37 Posted by rolldestroyer (3543 posts) - - Show Bio

new avengers #8, there is no context to it, just that one scan.

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#38 Edited by Rijehu (1835 posts) - - Show Bio

GEB. It was basically the dark side of The Presence so it is just as powerful. Lt is outclassed. And before someone comes with that "LT wins by having more and better feats", LT also has more feats than TOAA so...do with that what you will.

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#39 Posted by thecoolest (789 posts) - - Show Bio

The presence has a superior and his name is the Primal Monitor.

BUT, I still consider the Presence slightly more powerful than the Living Tribunal because he created Michael Demiurgos and Lucifer, who are = LT WHEN they are working together.

And the Great Evil Beast stalemated the presence so:

Primal Monitor = The-One-Above-All >>> Classic Molecule Man = The presence = The Great Evil Beast > Living Tribunal

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#40 Edited by JwwProd (20926 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: Actually you don't have to be omniscient to be omnipotent take for example Azathoth from Lovecraft's work (There is sometimes a discussions if either Azathoth or Yog-Sothoth is the ture TOAA of the Lovecraft verse though it's usually Azathoth).

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#41 Posted by RetconCrisis (5593 posts) - - Show Bio

Going off of statements, GEB. Off of feats, LT (obviously, since LT is physical and GEB is different and is darkness itself).

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#42 Posted by Scoop316 (173 posts) - - Show Bio

GEB easily. Is this even a contest?

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#43 Posted by lol (5441 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch. GEB stomps and no GEB isnt omnipotent

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#45 Edited by Hulkman123 (1936 posts) - - Show Bio

The presence has a superior and his name is the Primal Monitor.

BUT, I still consider the Presence slightly more powerful than the Living Tribunal because he created Michael Demiurgos and Lucifer, who are = LT WHEN they are working together.

And the Great Evil Beast stalemated the presence so:

Primal Monitor = The-One-Above-All >>> Classic Molecule Man = The presence = The Great Evil Beast > Living Tribunal

You missed out quite a few heavy hitters. (Beyonder, Thanos HOTU, Scathan, Protege)

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#46 Posted by thecoolest (789 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecoolest said:

The presence has a superior and his name is the Primal Monitor.

BUT, I still consider the Presence slightly more powerful than the Living Tribunal because he created Michael Demiurgos and Lucifer, who are = LT WHEN they are working together.

And the Great Evil Beast stalemated the presence so:

Primal Monitor = The-One-Above-All >>> Classic Molecule Man = The presence = The Great Evil Beast > Living Tribunal

You missed out quite a few heavy hitters. (Beyonder, Thanos HOTU, Scathan, Protege)

My intention never was to rank all celestials in Marvel universe, I just wanted to explain why I think that The Great Evil Beast would win.

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#47 Edited by Hulkman123 (1936 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecoolest said:

@hulkman123 said:

@thecoolest said:

The presence has a superior and his name is the Primal Monitor.

BUT, I still consider the Presence slightly more powerful than the Living Tribunal because he created Michael Demiurgos and Lucifer, who are = LT WHEN they are working together.

And the Great Evil Beast stalemated the presence so:

Primal Monitor = The-One-Above-All >>> Classic Molecule Man = The presence = The Great Evil Beast > Living Tribunal

You missed out quite a few heavy hitters. (Beyonder, Thanos HOTU, Scathan, Protege)

My intention never was to rank all celestials in Marvel universe, I just wanted to explain why I think that The Great Evil Beast would win.

Only one of the four I listed is a Celestial. I understand what you're saying though.

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#48 Posted by thecoolest (789 posts) - - Show Bio

Only one of the four I listed is a Celestial. I understand what you're saying though.

You are right, my bad, I meant cosmic entities in Marvel Universe and I know that just Scathan is a celestial.

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#49 Posted by Carter_esque (6704 posts) - - Show Bio

LT wins

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#50 Edited by lol (5441 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu said:

GEB. It was basically the dark side of The Presence so it is just as powerful. Lt is outclassed. And before someone comes with that "LT wins by having more and better feats", LT also has more feats than TOAA so...do with that what you will.

Yes GEB stomp. And Spectre with all potential of logoz and fully backed by the Presence *fans spectre bs* can win too