The Galactic Empire [Star Wars] V.S The Covenant [Halo]

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#1  Edited By Logic Mark III
  1. Space Battle.

  2. Land Battle.

Keep your pseudo-science in your pants as much as you can. Try and go off of how things seem to work in the comics/movie/Books.


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#2  Edited By mantoid

The Galactic Empire beats the Covenant in both air and land.

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The empire wins. The imperial navy alone would obliterate the covenant. The quality of their equipment and personnel is just much higher.

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#4  Edited By Logic Mark III

Really? So how many of their soldiers have personal shields? How many of their soldiers walk around with weapons akin to a lightsaber? How many of their soldiers can take a full clip of automatic fire to the, unshielded, face and keep fighting? On the ground in terms of vehicles the Covenant can counter everything the Imperials have. Imperial walkers = Covenant Scarab, Imperial tanks/vehicles = Covenant Wraith/Spectre/Ghost/Chopper. As for the troops themselves the Covenant have more variety and more devestating soldiers. Elites having personal shields, cloaking ability, plasma swords. Brutes having VASTLY superior strength to any Imperial troop, Vastly greater durability [with no power armour even more with it], destructive Brute shots and melee weapons such as the Gravity Hammer. Grunts vast numbers and better standard issue weaponary: Plasma cannons, needlers that home in on enemies, plamsa pistols with overcharge ability that shorts out vehicles. Drones have a natural ability to fly counteracting fuel based jet packs. Hunters with highly resistant armour and a shield arm coated in a near indestructable alloy, huge fuel rod cannons that cause great damage across a wide area. Jackals with their personal shields able to hold back large groups and their excellent sniper skills bolstered by their enhanced senses. Simply put many of the covenant standard infantry are vastly superior to Imperial standard infantry and even many of the Imperials elite infantry.

Covenant naval forces are excellent too. They have guided plasma torpedoes [guided like how bullets in funny cartoons can chase opponents and go round corners etc] that can halt huge volleys of fire and provide point defence against any TI fighters and the like. Additionally Covenenant Seraphs act as TI fighters for them, with the added bonus of dropships that can become invisible making boarding actions easier. The Covenant navy also has sniper class ship which fires a laser at light speed, i doubt it would be an easy feat for any Imperial ship to dodge this. Covenant naval tactics are also well developed; with commanders employing a damage absorbing system [one ship fires and takes down an enemy shield whilst absorbing the enemies salvo, it then falls back for the other ship(s) with fresh shields to blast the unprotected ship]. Covenant ships are also capable of performing actions in slipspace such as detecting other ships, intercepting data, extremely short range in system jumps and sending things [probes, missiles/explosives] through slipspace to attack/moniter enemies. The shielding on Covenant ships also seems superior as they are able to take nukes [our nukes of today make Hiroshima look like a burp so imagine nukes 500 years from now] with ease, and dont have the same weaknesses as Imperial ships i.e the way the Millenium Falcon can attach itself to a shielded ship, the ability for ships to fly in the Deathstars trenches.

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#5  Edited By Vrakmul

The empire's numbers are in the upper quintillions of storm troopers. The Covenant is in the upper billions or trillions. They can simply keep on pounding away at them until they die. And they can use spaarti cloning devices to make new storm troopers in a week rather than 10 years. And the sheer amount of Super weapons at the Disposal of the empire would be devastating. The Galaxy gun could pick off anything the empire deems threatening from thousands of light years away. The sun crusher would devastate the covenant. And don't get me started on the death star. And plus, the Executor and Eclipse were not the only super star destroyers, there were many others. And 12,800 meters long is a vast understatement of how large the executor was, as was 17.5 kilometers. And the first death star was actually 160 kilometers wide, and the second was 900 kilometers. Thus rendering them about invulnerable to enemy fire. And the rebels only managed to defeat the executor's shields after massive amounts of bombardment over a span of hours. And it's shields were able to ignore three hyperspacing star destroyers ramming into it like it was nothing, that type of impact would be able to shatter planets easily, especially considering how they are moving at hundreds of millions of times the speed of light.

The Covenant is outmatched in the fields of space and ground. And despite the weakness of tie fighters, they are freaking numerous, and the tie interceptor moves nearly at lightspeed at sublight drives. The tie defender would be able to decimate nearly any comparable craft the covenant has. As would the tie advanced.
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#6  Edited By 11cookeaw1

I don't see what use a death star that has it's entire surface,( Including the area around around the laser.) completely glassed would be. A soon as it tried to fire it's weapon, the first thing it would hit is the molten metal blocking up the laser. This would destroy the death star.

 " An alternate type of the Shield World exists. While referred to as Shield Worlds, these facilities are considerably different from the base concept." "  One of these worlds contained a fleet of Forerunner warships, which the Covenant planned to use in theirwar against humanity. Before they could accomplish this, the crew of the UNSC Spirit of Fire destroyed the Shield World by overloading the ship's Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine in the sun in the center of the shield world. This caused it to go supernova, thus turning the entire structure into dust, preventing the Covenant from using the Forerunner fleet." The forerunners were WORLD BUILDERS, which have many MANY times as much mass as a death star. remember, double the diameter means 8 times the volume. They also built artificial stars, could cause stars to go supernova and built the halo rings. A single forerunner dreadnought was able power a 348 kilometers in diameter planetoid. It was then able Move it through slip space while powering a small artificial star that was used to provide light to the rest of the planetoid while using a fraction of it's power. That planetoid weigh's (depending on how solid it is.) at minimum millions of billions of tons and at a maximum of  tens of millions of billions of tons. The same forerunner dreadnought was able to destroy an entire huge elite fleet during the elite-prophet war at before the begging of the covenant. It was able to with stand MASSIVE bombardment while unshielded and come out UNSCATHED!!! If that's one one of them can do, IMAGINE WHAT A WHOLE FLEET COULD DO!!! If the Covenant is at it's strongest they could obliterate the galactic empire easily.
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#7  Edited By 11cookeaw1

OH, by the way, the forerunner ships could fire weapons through slip-space, therefore bypassing shields. They could destroy the death star with a single missile by firing it through slip-space and FTL speeds until it gets to the core of the death-star, then it could come into real space and then explode, destroying the death stars power-core and causing the death-star to explode!!! That's the space battle won. 
 
But i do agree that otherwise the covenant would have real problems fighting the galactic empire, even after they glass the death star, destroying the protection and ruining it, meaning that the death star is then obliterated when it fires because it hits the molten metal blocking up the super laser. If they can glass earth like planets in hours, they can glass the death star in Minutes possibly! But even after that they'll still have problems. The Covenant empire themselves would lose the space battle,

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Covenant can win ground and maybe win space, but this also depends if they got sidious, no sidious no jedis and stuff like that just army vs army and such the Covenant could win, but its doubtful

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If the covenant were able to use the fragment of Mendicant Bias located on the forerunner dreadnought in the center of High Charity, I don't think anything in the star wars universe could combat him.

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@logic_mark_iii: it's impossible for the covenant to invade the Death Star at all... Biggest covenant carrier I looked up "mothership" is barely a little bigger than the super star destroyer vader was on which is 1/10 of the Death Star...

Death Star = earth's moon mass.

I agree however with the ground vehicles for the covenant they definitely are superior 7/10 times covenant win that. Although covenant have elites and hunters the empire also have stealth and DARK troopers which is one of the most feared foe of the rebels. Stealth troopers are easily faster than elites thanks to enhanced hamstring upgrades inserted into them through the suit (strange)... And dark troopers- although not as strong as hunters their disinigration Lightning rifle is outstandingly op. Also the ability to jet boost in case of emergency or to get to places faster. The Covenant also aren't great leaders in combat why the empire is incredibly smart and prestigious in how to lead a battalion through assaults

So here's the stats

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#11  Edited By rick014292

STATS

Space: empire

Air: empire

Vehicles: covenant

Troops: empire (health, speed, strength is covenant but they have almost zero battle formations. Empire has a near perfect routine which eventually brings elites and hunters to a corner.)

Super weapon: empire (halo is not a weapon of the covenant it's actually the forunners and even so the Death Star takes much less time to charge up to fire their star beam.)

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@rick014292: Wrong

Stats

space: Empire

Air: Either way

Vehicles: Covenant

Troops: Covenant ( you need to read some books you'd realize they form up battle formations all the time, and you'd also realize Thel if he's in charge the Empire will have a fight on their hands as he uses oh wait what is that? Superior tactics to out do the UNSC in space and on land even when the UNSC out numbers him... )

Super Weapons: Depends what the Covenant got given to them, halo rings then its obvious, no halo rings Empire wins.

Either way It don't matter because the empire out does them in pure numbers in space, and thus the covenant get steam rolled.

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#13  Edited By DarthVenar501st

The Galactic Empire wipes out this inferior alien faction, with little to no casualties! 1- They outnumber the covies 100-1 AT LEAST. 2- Their industrial and technological capacity is far superior to that of the covenant.. The empire on the halo tech tier, would be Tier 1, on par with the forerunners. Kuat Drive Yards, the major production company of the Empire, can build 3 Imperial Star Destroyers every day! 3- Turbolasers. According to calculations by stardestroyer.net, a SINGLE TURBOLASER has a yield of 59 GIGATONS PER SHOT! That is stronger than even a SUPER MAC, which is only 51 gigatons per shot! And standard macs r even weaker, at 64 kilotons. I've heard the example that a Super MAC tore through straight through 2 covie ships and crippled another. Well, if that were a STANDARD turbolaser(heavy turbolasers range in the teratons), that 3rd ship would be toast, as well as a 4th one, perhaps. And besides the immense power of a standard turbolaser, there is also its extremely fast rate of fire. It I shown in the movies that the turbolasers of the empire can crank out a shot every second, making the super fast ROF to be 60rpm. We all know that the ROF of MACs is super slow. 4- Navy. Th Empire is estimated to have AT LEAST 25,000 ISDs, with 3 more every day, several dozen SSDs(Executor class), 2 Eclipse class star dreadnoughts, and an unknown number of frigates, which could number in the millions! 5- Superweapons. Covies- none. Empire- 3 Death Stars(one was made soon after the destruction of the 2nd over endor but was too destroyed before construction was complete)(can destroy planets instantly with one shot from the superlaser), World Devastators(massive superweapons that can attach themselves to a planet with their strong tractor beams and literally rip apart the planet and use its resources for benefit of the empire. And they have little factories built within them that produce ships, fighters, supplies, droids, etc.), the galaxy gun(7km long superlaser that can destroy planets from interstellar distances, launching undetectable particle disintegrator warheads), the Tarkin(a planet destroying battlestation modeled after the Death Star, equipped with a set of engines and a defensive shield generator), Eye of Palpatine(an asteroid shapped dreadnought, AKA "battlemoon", acting as a siege platform, possessing as much power as an entire fleet, and can carry out a Base-Delta Zero type orbital bombardment using its vast array of turbolaser cannons), the suncrusher, a small, nearly indestructible ship that, just as its name suggest, has the power to make a sun go supernova, thus destroying the entire star system supported by that sun)), 2 Eclipse class star dreadnoughts(even though they're SSDs, they're actually classified as superweapons, as they are equipped with a slightly degraded superlaser, capable of penetrating a planetary shield, tearing through the mantle, and melting entire continents!), Interplanetary Ion Cannon(could vaporize a terrestrial planet's atmosphere, rendering it uninhabitable), Ion Ring(can influence a planet's weather system)(not so sure about this superweapon's usefulness), Omega Frost(instantly flash freezes anything caught between its 2 conductors), orbital nightcloak(massive array of satellites that prevent sunlight from reaching a planet, killing all life on said planet), Resonance torpedo launcher(does pretty much the same as the suncrusher, destroying entire star systems), Sovereign class SSD(same as Eclipse class dreadnought), anti matter bombs(render large areas uninhabitable, gravity gun(launches gravity bombs which create intense gravity waves which can shake targets to pieces), Metal-Crystal Phase Shifter(can alter molecular structure of metallic substances, weakening them)(Since covie ships r obviously made of metal, this superweapon makes it hopeless for them to even attempt a comeback), Visual Electromagnetic Intensifier(array of satellites that enhances and focuses visible light onto a planet, literally "cooking" it to death), Two-Wave Gravoshock Device(uses gravwaves to affect planet's ravitational field, causing effects resembling groundquakes and other natural disasters), and finally(gasp for air....TOO MANY SUPERWEAPONS lol), the death star prototype(powerful enough to destroy a moon). NEED I SAY MORE?????

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@rick014292: Wrong

Stats

space: Empire

Air: Either way

Vehicles: Covenant

Troops: Covenant ( you need to read some books you'd realize they form up battle formations all the time, and you'd also realize Thel if he's in charge the Empire will have a fight on their hands as he uses oh wait what is that? Superior tactics to out do the UNSC in space and on land even when the UNSC out numbers him... )

Super Weapons: Depends what the Covenant got given to them, halo rings then its obvious, no halo rings Empire wins.

Either way It don't matter because the empire out does them in pure numbers in space, and thus the covenant get steam rolled.

I would actually disagree with you on air. TIE fighters are entirely superior to banshees. They've been shown to blow up X-Wings with a few shots, they're wicked fast, and way more maneuverable than the banshee. Plus I would believe TIE fighters are in more abundance than the latter. Plus let's not forget the other variants of the TIE: TIE Bomber, TIE Interceptor, TIE Advanced(Vader's personal fighter), TIE Interceptor, TIE Defender.

Also, You believe simply because of Thel Vadam that the covenant would win? As great as a general he is, I believe you forgot that the Empire too has excellent tactics. cough cough GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN cough cough nuff said.

Also Besides outnumbering the covies, the empire also has superior weaponry and tech. An E-11 Blaster Rifle ha as much power as a SPARTAN LASER! They can blow off huge chunks of stone and concrete, as well as put huge dents in durasteel bulkheads! And cause small explosion on impact with unshielded surfaces! So any unshielded covie infantry(hunters don't have energy shields but they do have a physical shield. I admit it would take a lot more to take them out) is toast! A few shots from a blaster should take out an elite's shields, since a small hail of bullets does the job quickly, and then elite goes boom!

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@darthvenar501st:

I would actually disagree with you on air. TIE fighters are entirely superior to banshees. They've been shown to blow up X-Wings with a few shots, they're wicked fast, and way more maneuverable than the banshee. Plus I would believe TIE fighters are in more abundance than the latter. Plus let's not forget the other variants of the TIE: TIE Bomber, TIE Interceptor, TIE Advanced(Vader's personal fighter), TIE Interceptor, TIE Defender.

First off banshees, arent the only thing the covenant have in AIR fights. Tie fighters and everything u just said are space combat fighters, not air fights. Everything u just listed also doesn't have shields compared to SPACE covenant fighters which is seraph class fighter which is a TIE FIGHTER AND BOMBER all in one, anyway so this point is very useless.

Also, You believe simply because of Thel Vadam that the covenant would win? As great as a general he is, I believe you forgot that the Empire too has excellent tactics. cough cough GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN cough cough nuff said.

Uh yes, he out smarted Al's tracking systems, ambushed UNSC FORTRESS worlds and so on, he did slip space ambushes and brought UNSC planets to their knees all while being out numbered. We are talking about UNSC AIs that do laps around ur standard leadership on an imperial ship, these AI's are like Cortana and others, these are on a lot of UNSC vessels and control the ships as well or can depending on the commander on the ship. with that said, Thel is above anyone here besides thrawn, and thats still a maybe.... Not enough said at all dont even try to pull that bs card. Btw he didnt save the empire from its ultimate FALL COUGH COUGH nuff said.

Also Besides outnumbering the covies, the empire also has superior weaponry and tech. An E-11 Blaster Rifle ha as much power as a SPARTAN LASER! They can blow off huge chunks of stone and concrete, as well as put huge dents in durasteel bulkheads! And cause small explosion on impact with unshielded surfaces! So any unshielded covie infantry(hunters don't have energy shields but they do have a physical shield. I admit it would take a lot more to take them out) is toast! A few shots from a blaster should take out an elite's shields, since a small hail of bullets does the job quickly, and then elite goes boom!

LOL No bro, not even close you really dont got a clue about covenant tech. First off e-11 is no where near spartan laser, second off blowing chunks off of stones and concrete? LOL? what? Alright im done, that right there is literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard if you think Covenant weapon's can't do that, then wow man you amaze to whole new levels. Also no, brute shields took two squads to drop, elites take at least a full mag to drop its shields depending on the rank, brute chieftains shields withstood literally IIRC 2 platoons worth of shields and guess what? Nothing happened, it was useless so no the amazement u provide in these arguments makes me laugh.

@eisenfauste you seeing this? LOL.

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@killerwasp: Just the usual people who haven't done their research lol.

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@eisenfauste: Im half tempted to just provide feats for once though lol.

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@killerwasp: It'd be a waste of time lol but if you want to curbstomp by all means curbstomp.

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#20  Edited By KriegVRG

Well on the bright side, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!! On topic: the OP thinks Halo> everything. Including WH40k. I assume we mean peak Covenant since books and whatnot are included. So, games shouldn't even be a factor. They're too balanced to determine durability and tactical ability.

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Empire I think

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@kriegvrg: Empire wins in the end though just simply too many ships that over run the covenant empire.

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#23  Edited By JwwProd

Galactic Empire.

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@killerwasp:

Yeah you REALLY haven't done much research on star wars, or even gone on wookieepedia for once!

You fail to realize that TIEs CAN fight in atmosphere. They're not limited to just space combat. Just look at the new Battlefront trailer. No space battles unfortunately, but there's still in atmosphere combat between x-wings and TIEs. Just cuz it's a space ship, doesn't mean it can't fight in air. Plus we ha have Gamma-class assault shuttles, which have just as much power as an LAAT. And those things would blow the hell out of a phantom/spirit.

Ok, now you're talking about AIs. Hm, Smart AIs r only semi sentient actually. Star wars does in fact have tons of smart AIs(That DON'T GO RAMPANT AFTER 7 YEARS). Can you guess? Answer- droids. C3PO is a smart AI, R2D2- AI(Heck, he can probably plug into chief's helmet and "violate" cortana, if u know what i mean....). ALL the CIS droids are implanted with AIs(well obviously the B1s aren't that great, but when you start getting to the B2s, droidekas, and commando droids, boy you're in trouble. Even boba fett has his own AI! SW just doesn't focus much on the AIs as halo does. And I don't find it very logical that you argue that thrawn is a horrible person merely by looking at the END OF HIS LIFE! Thrawn is regarded as the best military strategist in the Imperial Navy. He went from having only a small fleet of the remaining Imperial forces(only a dozen ISDs) after palpatine's first death, to possessing a massive unstoppable fleet known as the Katana Fleet, recovering 178 of the 200 Dreadnought-class cruisers, using Spaarti clone cylinders to create elite warriors(not those elites) by the 10s of 1000s, and nearly bringing down the New Republic, which is pretty powerful if you take a look at their history.

Im not lying about blowing off chunks of stone and concrete:

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In the first image, that big piece of stone blowing off from the ceiling is a resuklt from Han's blaster PISTOL! A PISTOL! 2nd image, there's literally so much smoke filling up the room from all the vaporized metal that has been hit by those E-11s. And that metal is DURASTEEL, which is highly resistant to extreme temperatures, and i mean EXTREME! Now tell me, can a spartan laser do that? What i said came straight from the wookieepedia article on blasters. Not making anything up. And before you disregard wookieepedia as "unreliable" again, i will point out that each article has SOURCES from which they got that evidence! Damn, if you have EVER watched a Star Wars movie in your life, you would have noticed how powerful a blaster is! And yes, until you provide images or videos of plasma weapons literally doing what blasters have been shown to do in the movies, then i will continue to believe that covie weapons are inferior to blasters. Now a full mag from an AR to drop elite shields i correct, but remember that is just plain bullets! SW is way beyond that! Brutes don't even have shields, except brute chieftains and the ones that carry fuel rod cannons IIRC.

I await your next response. Hopefully you check wookieepedia or stardestroyer.net for once.

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@killerwasp: Just the usual people who haven't done their research lol.

Oh REALLY??? IM not the one doing any research??? Literally EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE for star wars i have pulled off directly from wookieepedia! I've read up on stardestroyer.net, halo nation wiki, everything!

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@darthvenar501st: Except you aren't taking into account just how versatile and lethal covenant are on the ground. Elites will be reaping their way through groups of stormtroopers. Their shields are enough to be able to tank a blaster bolt or maybe a couple while stormies will get one shotted by any plasma weapon. Versatility is too much here.

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#27  Edited By Eisenfauste

Never mind saw there wasn't a cap limit for ground warfare. Covenant get drowned.

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@eisenfauste: Agreed, however that all that ground superiority means squat when the Empire bombards them from orbit while flying through the wreckage of the Covenant fleet. Kind of like the reverse of what happens to the Covenant vs. the UNSC, the humans can pull wins on the ground but get stomped in space.

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@paragonnate:OP most likely meant for space and ground battles to be divided so I don't see an orbital bombardment being fair. With the numbers they have they overwhelm on the ground and we know the empire is too powerful in space for the covenant to even hope to put up a fight.

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@eisenfauste: Oh, I see now. Still sounds like something the Empire would do. The ground troops can put up a fight, blasters are pretty dang powerful and they have decent vehicle support, but yeah they go down.

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#31  Edited By SirFizzWhizz

@killerwasp: tie Fighters are air fighters, the show it all the time in Star Wars Rebels lol. Just for future reference :)

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@sirfizzwhizz: u know what I meant u dildo lol I meant like space is space and air is air covenant spacecraft can fly in the air as well but the point was I meant actual aircraft and stuff lol

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@logic_mark_iii:

Keep your pseudo-science in your pants as much as you can. Try and go off of how things seem to work in the comics/movie/Books.

Best rule ever. There's so much BS fan calcs that make slingshots into nukes for these type of threads.

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@darthvenar501st: Except you aren't taking into account just how versatile and lethal covenant are on the ground. Elites will be reaping their way through groups of stormtroopers. Their shields are enough to be able to tank a blaster bolt or maybe a couple while stormies will get one shotted by any plasma weapon. Versatility is too much here.

Yeah that's obvious standard stormtrooper infantry isn't enough to take down an elite. Instead, a shadowtrooper will be more able to bring one down. Or pretty much any stormtrooper from THE 501st Legion(You don't mess with them!)! "Their shields are enough to tank a blaster bolt" well how can you be so sure about that? Blasters don't exist in halo. Well it would take maybe up to 3 shots to take down shields, then 1 and done. "stormies will get one shotted by any plasma weapon." Not likely. Covie plasma weapons are designed to slowly burn through a target. Blaster bolts INSTANTLY kill their target! Or paralyze, depending on the setting .They will literally FRY YOUR A$$ UP! Have you NOT seen what blasters have done in EVERY SINGLE STAR WARS MOVIE?! Looks like YOU'RE not taking into account powerful blasters are!

Next!

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Empire has too many people, if it was more equalized Covenant would win.

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The empire absolutely wrecks the covenant in space and air, and gets a pyrryhic victory on the ground. Not that numbers matter to the empire though...

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#37  Edited By DarthVenar501st

@maiamaku: That is true. But ask yourself this: Since the Empire already has too much firepower and numbers to crush the covenant in space, would there even be a battle on the ground?

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@darthvenar501st: You might want to reel it back before you trip. Earlier you suggested that Han's pistol was comparable to a spartan laser, which, is just plain wrong and the fact that you think they are comparable enough to even be in the same sentence is... odd. Bullets, not from high-powered rifles mind, can knock large chunks of concrete free, so you might not want to continue with that line of reasoning.

When has Spartan lasers done the same? Have you... you know... considered they are anti-tank weapons? Thus, by default, they are designed to punch through large amounts of heat resistant metal? Not a metal grate. Military grade (Granted, military grade by UNSC standards), armored vehicles. Think about that one for a bit.

SW is not way beyond bullets. Slugthrowers, ballistic firearms, still exist in the Star Wars universe, are still used and are still effective.

They do not instantly kill their target. Remember when Leia was shot? Yea, she wasn't instantly killed. Just like most ranged weaponry, non-lethal shots exist. Blasters are no different.

Funny enough, Star Wars blasters have more in common with Covenant Plasma than they do with standard laser weaponry.

I am going to overlook the idea that the GE > Forerunners. Does the Empire win this? Absolutely, the only debate is on the ground and only if the numbers are predetermined, but you are wrong on many, many things.

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@wut: You mean The Empire>Covenant?

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@killerwasp: Yes, difference in scale, production capabilities and fleet sizes place this firmly in the Empire's hands. Without getting too into the strength of their weapons as both vary wildly, I do not believe that the average blaster is going to have vastly more firepower than a covenant plasma weapon as he was suggesting.

A ground battle is debatable though so long as the numbers are discussed beforehand.

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@wut: no u said forerunners and i meant covenant lol.

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@killerwasp: Ohh, nah, in that guys earlier arguments he said the Empire equaled the production capabilities of the Forerunners which is wrong. If he contested it, I would have told him to google what a Dyson Sphere is.

The Empire built Deathstars in secret. The Forerunners had guys building Dyson Spheres in secret and at an incredible rate. The amount of sheer mass needed to build those in the time they did would be akin to pumping out deathstars everyfew minutes.

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Arbiter solo's

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@wut: Leia wasn't hit DIRECTLY by the blaster bolt. People can survive indirect glances. A direct hit is fatal, as shown in..... all 6 movies.

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@darthvenar501st: Wrong. After the sparks leave, you can see the scorch mark on her shoulder and not on the wall. She was directly struck. In the shoulder. She lived.

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@wut: You do know that blasters can be set at lower power settings, right?

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@darthvenar501st: Ah, yes, the 'The Stormtrooper, out to kill the rebels in an ambush and protect the power generator, would certainly put his blaster on a lower setting.... because..... right? Just... because.'

You know what is funny? Hitting the wall and causing sparks? Crazy, but... that is... the same thing that Leia's and Han's blasters do when they were shooting at Stormtroopers, huh, isn't that just crazy?

Come off it.

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@wut: Alright fine. Last line of defense: Leia is a main character, and she has freaking plot armor.