Flash
The Flash vs Doctor Strange
@dredeuced: He sold his soul once, but he had no soul to sell.
Strange has 1000's of year additional experience now, and is learning high level power.
He even influenced time and reality on an universal scale. With all his artifacts he has shown skyfather level.
The writer: Barbidore (or something like that) said it hisself.
Strange is being amped up and is SS again.
Don't talk to me, newb to Dr. Strange.
You didn't say anything about any of that other stuff. You presented a feat and ignored all the context. Maybe don't intentionally mislead people when you talk about a character.
If you've got other feats for Strange that aren't immediately followed by him saying he can't do that feat anymore then go ahead and use them. I just debunked the one thing that you said because you intentionally left out the entire circumstance of it.
I'll talk to you all I want. It's a public forum. Feel free to ignore me if you want.
@claymore1998: @laylah: dredeuced: He can do those feats.
He, even if he was depowered, has a lot of life draining spell, and controls Blood Magic recently in New Avengers #20-21.
He also is SS again, and the Blood Bible grants him god-like powers.
A few feats recently:
Froze Thor, Hyperion, Abbyss, Ex Nihilo etc. in Space and and blew up Earth at the same time with one sentence.
Spawned a demon destroying Marvel's JL brutally.
Fought Dweller, Satana, Satannish etc.
Has influenced reality recently.
He can do all those things.
But, keep on lowballing, I couldn't care less, depressive D.
Ok, see, you just mentioned him spawning that demon to destroy Marvel's Justice League ripoff. Why do you keep mentioning that one? He said he can't do that anymore because of the price paid and the Illuminati threw it away. He can do other things -- I'm not questioning those other things! I haven't completely read up on them, but I did read the fake JL vs Illuminati fight and you're literally ignoring the direct aftermath of that fight.
Let me put it this way. Flash destroyed 3 universes and created another. Without any context, doesn't that sound more powerful than everything you just listed? That's TECHNICALLY something Flash did. It's also disingenuous because it disregards the plot revolving around Flash that caused it to happen, and what happened immediately afterwards.
It's not lowballing in the slightest. He made a deal to get access to that power and they interrupted and stopped him, which stopped the interdimensional demon. Unless you can show him spitting up that demon again it's not something he does or can do anymore(and no, I'm pretty sure the thing he summons vs the Swans is not the same, different color, look, size, and power). Not that he would NEED to, given what else he can do, I just don't see why you're sticking to that feat.
Though, amusingly, the entire weakness of the Black Priests is stopping them before they speak their words IE: beating them quickly. Admittedly, Stephen did stop those folks like you said but he had a giant wall of mooks blocking him.
edit: Just so we're clear, this is the same Doctor Strange who got beat by someone(the swans) making a vacuum around him and then blasting him a few times, right? If a dude's weakness is someone being too fast for him and vacuums then I do not think Flash is your best matchup. Admittedly, Flash wouldn't immediately use a vacuum since he wouldn't know that that's Stephen's weakness but speed is most certainly a thing Flash would use.
The Flash.
Fought Dweller, Satana, Satannish etc.
He never fought Dweller in a 1v1( He could barely beat his minions) and Satannish stomped him all the times.....Only when Mephisto is together that Stephen won.
EDIT: The only time was when Stephen got stomped by both Nightmare and Dweller.
@thesupremesorcerer: Friend, this thread was made 5 years ago, its not the version of Stephen you are arguing for.
The comicvine rule is we use the current version when the thread was made.
@thesupremesorcerer: To be honest friend, I don't think either of us requested you to be tagged. Its not very nice to be rude to people.
@thesupremesorcerer: Not sure I understand what you mean, I merely said since the thread was made 5 years ago its not meant to be the version you are arguing for. I am not exactly sure what I have done wrong but perhaps I am missing something.
Nevermind friend, I am happy with the outcome of not being tagged again.
^_^
@thesupremesorcerer: Needless insults are against the rule friend. Sorry but I am flagging you.
@dboyrules2011: hehe what are you laughing at you evil meanie , argue... come on... argue hehe >_<
*backs away slowly* nothing. Nothing at all.
I'd love to do that. I'm not knowledagble on said characters though. Sorry, haha.
@dboyrules2011: hehe maybe we can train you ^_^
@claymore1998: Train me? Really?
@claymore1998: @laylah: @dredeuced: He may lose this, but Flash is just overrated. DC is the most overrated Comic Book fabric. Just because of speed.
If you type in on Google: 'Dr. Strange New Avengers', you'll see pictures of Strange with lots of orange demon gods, while Strange is mastering spells from the Blood Bible. You don't need to lowball since it does not work.
Strange is currently very powerful, I agree that Flash takes this due to speed, but Strange is very powerful y'know.
At LEAST, a planetary threat. At most, with artifacts, prep, etc.. He'll probably be Skyfather level.
He is a dark Mage.
Laylah, if you start telling stuff and feats, then don't comment. (Not meant to be rude, ofcourse! ;)
See I've read all of New Avengers (I just haven't read all the other stuff and the secret wars followup). I agree that Strange is absurdly powerful. His only problem is the same problem that Black Priests have, which you seem to have acknowledged. I'm not even questioning that he can blow up planets. The Black Priests can blow up planets by combining their letters into words and Strange could speak entire words and the Black Priests have a pretty obscene reverence for him.
@claymore1998: Train me? Really?
hehe so we can have one more fellow user to argue on Stephen thread apart from the normal 2/3 people who tend to show up. Hehe we need diversity hehe ^_^
@thesupremesorcerer: Fair enough, perhaps let a mod decide then. @sc
@thesupremesorcerer: Hello. You actually need to ease up a bit. Can't be making things personal with other users, this means calling them newb to Dr Strange, depressive D, or telling users not to comment. Okay? If you have questions or worries, can PM me. Otherwise I request you and other users stay on the topic - which is Flash VS Strange.
Thank you.
@claymore1998: Oh cool. That would be awesome. :)
Congrats on 10k posts btw. ^_^
@dboyrules2011: Thank you, appreciate it ^_^
@claymore1998: My pleasure. :)
@dboyrules2011: hehe few more years and I shall overtake you on post count hehe ^_^
Where there is a Flash thread there is a Dredeuced speaking nothing but the truth!
Well he is the expert. I love his debates. Humble and detailed.
We need more users like him ^_^
Where there is a Flash thread there is a Dredeuced speaking nothing but the truth!
Well he is the expert. I love his debates. Humble and detailed.
We need more users like him ^_^
Agreed!
@claymore1998: Ha! Only when pigs fly. >_o
@dboyrules2011: hehe we shall make lots of little piggies fly, don't you worry hehe ^_^
@dboyrules2011: hehehehehe ^_^
@dredeuced: Oh. Hmmm, thank you for informing. Good we agree.
But, just Strange, no Black Priest, can't he also do powerful things as he can learn powerful dimensional spells. I mean...
Can you comment on my thread since you have knowledge on Strange? It's called: Is this true?'.
Thanks.
Dr. Strange! :P
I'm not a Strange expert. I just assume he can do what the Black Priests do since he is the foremost Black Priest. Or was, I guess, someone said he gave up his power to Doom in Secret Wars but I haven't kept up with it.
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