The Endless vs The Beyonders

The Endless

VS

Beyonders

Rules

• Takes place in a neutral multiverse
• Victory by any means
• Random encounter
• No prep

Endless take this easy

It's very difficult to kill concepts... But not so hard for them to kill you

Beyonders

the Beyonders kill multi eternity and the Living Tribunal, both above the Endless.

Beyonders win of course ( I never read comic with Beyonders in it ) But everybody said he can beat Lucifer and Michael ( Even though i never believe it at all )

The Endless

Wait why people keep saying Beyonders < Endless when other saying even Lucifer and Michael can't beat Beyonders?

I personally think Lucifer and Michael > Beyonders > Endless

Feats for both sides?

@silverrings:

beyonders

@lettsplay10: Three of them killed the Living Tribunal? Damn. The Beyonders might win this then. If they can take out a being like LT then conceptual beings like Dream and his siblings might not be that hard for them to put down, too.

The Beyonders

Well considering the fact that they already killed concepts such as order, chaos, and infinity, I don't see what's so different here.

beyonders win in a good fight . However , I don't see them taking out the Death of Endless because She is above mistress death . Even Pre recton beyonder needed to use his large portion of power to erase the concept of death .

I think Beyonders is on Michael and Lucifer level

The Endless STOMP pretty hard here....

Dream alone has feats that rival pre-retcon beyonder. The truth is that vertigos multiverse in terms of power is vastly more powerful then Marvels. I know its crazy right? I love marvel but i also know when to call a spade a spade. Why do I say this?

A) Dream is nigh-omnipotent. In the Sandman someone used a PORTION of dreams power to destroy and then create more than 60 billion universes just by fixing the crystal that houses the portion, then made himself The Lord of all possible universes and timelines. and dream is only the third or fourth most powerful endless. (This feat alone puts him on or near pre-retcon beyonder levels of power surpassing TLT)

B) As stated above dream is only the 3rd strongest out of the endless... so how are these "nerfed" beyonders gonna deal with the rest on top off that. Not to mention this is a group battle so i doubt they would be able to 3v1 any of the endless like they did TLT without the rest joining in. Which would not end in their favour

C) I notice alot of people saying on here that michael and lucifer = TLT...? LOL ummm michael and lucifer together = Close to the presence and realistically represent both halfs of his power. Both of them sit outside of creation (the multiverse) as do the beyonders and can edit whatever happens inside it with a whim. People need to know both sides before posting bias

Beyonders

Endless should take it cause they're concepts. Are Beyonders multiversal? Cause if so Death takes them all by herself

Beyonders imo, power levels for Vertigo characters are vague but I highly doubt the Endless are above LT in power. Only 3 Beyonders were needed to beat LT.

@rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. Rememeber he is a CONCEPT who wields power enough for him to create and destroy 60 billion universes then make it so hes lord and ruler of all timelines. No exageration, This was done with only a PORTION of his power.. the only feat i can think similar to that i can think off the top of my head in marvel was when pre-retcon beyonder used the infamous dimensional slagger where he claimed it could of destroyed 7 billion dimensions.

Dis

@thetruthhurts: Hahaha, get out of here with this Dream >= PR Beyonder BS.

@rabumalal: hahaha oh my bad i didnt realise i was dealing with another bias marvel fanboy, ill leave you to your pre-retcon wank :P

@thetruthhurts: did you ever read marvel ? Marvel has infinite universes and even MCU has infinite parallel dimensions.

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: The Marvel Comics multiverse contains a large number of universes. Within many of those universes exist one or multiple dimensions. These dimensions are connected to the main universe or are located within them, and share continuity with the main universe and linked dimension of the parent universe.

Or prove otherwise with scans.

The Beyonder win.

If Living Tribunal couldn't beat the Beyonders what hope do the Endless have?

They have a better chance than LT, that's for sure...

Pre Retcon was far more powerful

a bunch of abrahamic characters worshipped by some humans on a far away planet is nothing to Beyonder

Pre Retcon Beyonder just re-writes reality, re-writes the bible quran or koran jewish torah, re-writes the Hindu and Native American faiths, re-writes all religion and laughs

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/The_Church_Of_The_Beyonder

@dannydared: now hold on there buddy, Unfortunatley those rules only apply in the marvel universe where religeon goes no further then sky father level. Were talking about the vertigo one here where it matters alot. Not to mention the power that the Endless posses have little/nothing to do with religeon LOL read the comics before you post bias. Lets not make this another ret-con wank -_-

Too many people making this the new Marvel Fan Page.. anything that involves thanos or beyonder and the wank is silly. Its a shame so many people post bias like those are the only 2 titles they have read. Wish there was a site with age restrictions LOL

one of many religions on many tiny planets, the pre retcon Beyonder re-writes the religion...bye bye

Beyonders win no contest!!

@dannydared: haha go home danny your drunk

@thesuperor said:

No they don't. Living Tribunal is more powerful than the Endless and it has be proven loads of times and yet he got stomped by the Beyonders.

Proven? ...like, how exactly?

The Beyonders

@thesuperor said:

Hmmm?........ That's see......... Proven to be above the Infinity Gauntlet, a weapon capable of stomping Eternity (a being who can recreate the entire Marvel multiverse in an instant). CHECK!

Defeated Ereshkigal (A multiversal threat) and removed the starbrand from her & also Sloath. CHECK!

And dwarfed two magaversal (Bascially multi-multiversal) beings and held them in his hand. CHECK!

So who in your opinion is the most powerful of the Endless??

@thesuperor: dont bother trying to get a legitmate reason LOL hes obviously never read any vertigo.. its like trying to make lemonade out of tomatoe sauce when talking to fanboys theres no logic

The endless.

@cosmic_reign: From strongest to weakest: Destiny>>Death>>Dream>Destruction>Desire>Despair>Delirium

@jwwprod: Hmmm?.... the infinity gauntlet grants a completley external power and because of this makes its wielder vulnerable. CHECK!

For example wolverine was able to remove it from thanos by simply cutting off his arm completely Oh and it only works within the universe its being used in, TLT is multiverse level+ so it makes perfect sense that it wouldnt work on him with this being said the IG wouldnt qualify for this battle. CHECK!

eternity has little to no feats battlewise and has been shown to be beat by Beings much less then himself who also wouldnt qualify for this battle. Eternity also does not have the ability to "re-create" the entire marvel multiverse at all LOL?? he is actually the embodiment of all space and time so basically.. he IS the marvel multiverse. CHECK!

Lets face it the beyonders proved TLT has been over rated for quite some time now. Or was nerfed at the time of his stomp. Either way i dont see The Endless losing this..