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The Universes of the Elder Scrolls and Fallout merge together in an unholy union when one day Maiq the Liar get's his hands on every Elder Scroll ever and uses them for Toweling off his fur after a bath. The two worlds mere presence threaten to rip apart the fabric of reality for both universes, Natural disasters happen constantly from Earthquakes to Hurricanes throughout both planets. Naturally everyone finds out about this and decide to kill the Kahjiit, but right before his head is chopped of, Maiq reveals that he saved one final elder scroll that foretold this happening and that the only way to stop this is for each world to nominate a champion to fight to the death.

Then he get's his head chopped off, the Elder Scroll rolls out of his robes and it turns out he wasn't lying. The Elder Scroll goes on to say that the losing Universe will be completely destroyed as soon as their Champion dies.

Oops.

-Both character's are at their maximum. The Courier's SPECIAL is 10 in every category and 100 in every skill. The Dragonborn is a Male Nord and has every skill maxed to 100, any armor or weapons that he brings he must make on his own however. No Daedric Artifacts allowed as their presence in this fight will only bring about the End for both world's sooner.

-The Courier get's four months prep total in the Mojave Desert, Big Empty, The Divide, The Sierra Madre Casino, and Zion. All factions that he encounters, (The NCR, Caeser's Legion, BoS, Mr. House, Enclave Remnants, basically every single faction in Fallout: New Vegas) will help him to the fullest extent of their abilities and resources, regardless of the Courier's reputation and Karma. The Washington D.C. chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel have felt the effects and offer assistance too by sending Blueprints of every major piece of Old World Technology they find, including Liberty Prime and whatever they have salvaged from the Enclave.

-The Dragonborn get's four months prep but may only prepare in Skyrim or the island of Solthsiem. The Empire, Stormcloaks, Blades, Greybeards and Thalmor (Again, every single faction in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, including DLC) will all help the Dragonborn prepare for his fight using their abilities and Resources, all rivalries and conflicts are ended with a ceasefire. Daedra and Aedra are forbidden to interfere in this fight by the Elder Scroll. The Dragonborn may choose to become a Werewolf or a Vampire Lord at this time but cannot be cured afterwords and he cannot be both at the same time.

-No one says they have to fight fair, if the Dragonborn wants to use Paralyze Poisons on his weapons or the Courier wants to grab a Sniper Rifle and camp on top of a mountain it's allowed.

-The Courier and the Dragonborn may each bring ONE follower with them (you guys and gals pick who), but these followers receive no prep and only have their standard gear and abilities when you first meet them.

THIS BATTLE HAPPENS TWICE.

-First Round this happens in Skyrim, Dragonborn starts off in Windhelm while the Courier starts off in Solitude. They each have two months to find and kill each other or it is a stalemate and both worlds are destroyed.

-Second Time this happens is in the Mojave Wasteland. The Dragonborn starts off in Searchlight while the Courier starts off in the Strip of New Vegas. Again, each has two months to find and kill each other or yadda yadda yadda end of the worlds.

In the ultimate battle of Technology vs. Magic WHICH UNIVERSE REIGNS SUPREME?!?!?!?!?!?!

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O god you really got me. These two are amazing who love to cheat Death. I'm personally going with the courier he did more things cosndiered to be either suicide or impossible rather than Dragonborn. It won't bean easy fight for him trough.

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my head wants to say the dragonborn. would bullets even pierce legenday enchanted daedric armor? ohhhhhhhh wait a moment....

the courier goes to the divide. harvests all of the war heads he can find. straps them all to the bomber that you pull out of lake mead and drops them on the dragonborn! he could do this on both battlefields.

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There are so, so many factors here. Courier uses the fatman and Dragonborn becomes ethreal.. the list goes on for a long time.
I think I'm going to go with the Dragonborn but I can be swayed otherwise if someone made a good case. I just reckon he has far too much killing potential. Between paralysis, invisibility, magical buffs, Daedric Armor and Dragonbone weapons, every spell at his disposal, the vast versatility of shouts, it's hard to defeat him.

As for followers.. since they are both a master of all trades here it's more just them picking the best possible follower. I'd say the Dragonborn would choose Serana and the Courier would choose.. Ed-e for further increased perception, Boone for spotting, Arcane Gannon for help with healing, maybe Veronica so she can provide a good distraction using unarmed? Either way I'd still say the Dragonborn outclasses the Courier here.

One thing I did forget to note, the Courier will have impressive accuracy with any weapon because of VATS and the perks that improve it, so that's there.

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@xeno_seeker: An attack that large would make the Dragonborn go ethreal instantly in order to avoid it.

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@i_like_swords: unless he used a shout prior. and even after he became ethereal there's still the massive radiation that he's soaking up. i'm still uncertain between the too. like you said tons of variables here.

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@xeno_seeker: The amount of radiation is bound to affect the Courier as well surely? Yep. If someone made a full run down of each ones best abilities it'd make it more easy to judge.

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#8  Edited By KMART4455

Dragonborn should win this..

Interesting..

Well MY dragonborn would win it anyway lol

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#9  Edited By Bossmoss4l

@kmart4455 Lol, glad you like the thread. What's yours?

Also, when I made this, my biggest fear was people saying "Dragonborn curbstomp" =) Glad to see this was averted so far.

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#10  Edited By Shawnbaby

@xeno_seeker: The amount of radiation is bound to affect the Courier as well surely? Yep. If someone made a full run down of each ones best abilities it'd make it more easy to judge.

There are perks available in fallout that cover radiation poisoning.

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#11  Edited By ximpossibrux

Dragonborn easily.

Slow down time and slice head off, freeze Courier and smash him, drain him of all his life.

I love Fallout NV, but Courier has no chance.

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@shawnbaby: also as i said if he were in the bomber he would be flying out of the vicinity for another sweep.

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Here's how I picture it playing out: Battle starts, Dragonborn and Courier both set their map markers to find the other. When they're about to come upon each other, Courier grabs a sniper and starts camping. Dragonborn goes invisible, and finds a place to hide. Dragonborn summons both Durnehviir and Odahviing. The two dragons tear the poor, defenseless Courier to shreds. The end lol.

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Mysterious Stranger defeats all summons and shouts...with ease.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

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@floopay I nearly died laughing at that.

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This is tough to pick. Exploiting alchemy, enchanting, and smithing for four months can make the Dragonborn completely unstoppable, but I hate that and think it's stupid. lol.

I think that Dragonborn wins in his world because he can conjure creatures from Oblivion and shout for Durnehviir. In Nevada, he won't have these options because Durnehviir isn't in that world and neither is the plane of Oblivion so I give it to Courier there.

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@tparks So just out of curiosity, you think that a minigun, rocket launchers, Tesla Cannons, and the Fat Man mini nuclear warhead launcher would do nothing to Frost Antronochs or Dragons?

I guess I just have a hard time believing that Iron swords and steel arrows can bring down dragons but bullets, missiles and High energy Lasers that turn guys to ash would do nothing to them. You can turn dragons to Ash with the most powerful shock spell, Lightning Storm, so they aren't immune to it.

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#18  Edited By oge321

What's that weapon in fallout that shoots out the giant laser for the sky? That could take out the dragons. Idk how the courier will counter the freeze time shout.

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Could someone please show me the book in TES, or at very least the source of the lore feat for Dragonborn time stoppage? It's not that I doubt it exists I mean everyone in Dragonborn thread's says that they can, and I know the Dragonborn can slow time down but complete stoppage of time? I've yet to see the proof, scan, book, ect. that shows its possible and not exaggeration of an in game ability

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#20  Edited By tparks

@tparks So just out of curiosity, you think that a minigun, rocket launchers, Tesla Cannons, and the Fat Man mini nuclear warhead launcher would do nothing to Frost Antronochs or Dragons?

I guess I just have a hard time believing that Iron swords and steel arrows can bring down dragons but bullets, missiles and High energy Lasers that turn guys to ash would do nothing to them. You can turn dragons to Ash with the most powerful shock spell, Lightning Storm, so they aren't immune to it.

I absolutely think they can die from that and that should be considered, but the dragonborn can also summon more after their dead and keep restocking his mini army. The courier can only carry so much ammo, but the Dragonborn can constantly replenish his magic. Also, the Dragonborn does a lot more then swing swords and shoot arrows. That being said the courier also does more then shoot guns. That's why I said this is tough. I'm not sure who would win, I just pointed out the edge he has in his homeworld as compared to Couriers. I thought that might give him just enough of an edge to win the majority of the time. You also have to remember that the Dragonborn can bring a companion with him that can also summon creatures. They can also have dead thralls that use conjuration to have them summon even more creatures. With four months of prep, Dragonborn could make a pretty good army of undead, a dragon, atronochs, etc... This is all without breaking the rules of the fight too. Of course, this option is not available in the Courier's world so he loses that edge for that round. That's my thought, but I understand arguments against it too and am no way saying this is a sound proof plan. There is way too many variables to say any one plan would work for either character. This is just one option I am pointing out. I could probably just as easily find methods similar to this for the Courier to exploit in his universe.

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It depends who uses the glitches to thier advantage.

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The Courier abuses Space Lasers, Mini-Nukes, Armies of Robots, Actual Nukes, Steal Boy Sneak Crits, Mysterious Stranger, Landmines and pretty much everything else the Dragonborn cannot deal with.

The Courier roflstomps in Neveda, but wins in Skyrim due to 10 luck with Mysterious Stranger one hit kills and invincibility frames during VATS, which the Courier can enter and kill with super powerful weaponry before the Dragonborn has time to shout.

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Muffle + Invisibility + Mehrune's Razor = Dead Courier + Mysterious Stranger

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#24  Edited By Bossmoss4l

@reikai Daedric artifacts have been VERBOTEN!!!!!! Muwahahahaha!!!! *Thunder and lightning in the background*

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Okay. Dragon Born cannot sneak past through Radars. . Scanners and sensors. Of the many fractions. The soldiers will completely wiped out by mortars and guns. The Dragons also too shot down and also Liberty Prime Is a major factor and would insta kill the dragons with his beam and I would guess it would do A LOT of damage to daedric armor if he even fights the Dragon born. They got NCR snipers. . .while fighting Archers? Brotherhood and their fat-mans would destroy all of the dragonborn fleets. MsHouse has his robots with miniguns and automatic grenade launchers. Caesar's Legion could be sent on the front lines [lol] Power Fist, Training as well, and adding hunting rifles that would also kill the dragons in skyrim.

They have Telsa cannons that would just deeestroy the battlefield, and the boomers, Air plane that would drop down bombs and rain fire for a while. . .NCR Rangers that are meant to go on solo missions are proven to be very good at combat and also at h2h. BoS has sentry guns that could place down, what are they going to do about it? Shoot an arrow at it before they get shot. .

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@bossmoss4l: Pretty much anything, including the shiv he got in prison, is enough damage to kill the Courier and all else there. Easily.

@anal_vomit: Says you. He's muffled, so he makes no sound. He's invisible, so laser sensors hit nothing. And Sneak perks enable him to avoid all pressure traps and explosives. Dealt with wire/rope traps before. Nothing new there. So, yeah you're pretty much screwed.

The idea you can insta-kill a dragon is laughable. And the "iron swords and arrows" bit is equally laughable. Doesn't do jack to dragons. Dovahkiin's strength + Nature + Power granted by the freaking God of Dragons himself, is what helps kill the Dragons early in the game. After that he just steamrolls them because he's gotten so absurdly powerful from consuming the souls of dozens of dragons.

And, btw, it's just the Courier vs. Dovahkiin. Not every military force in Nevada plus the entirety of Skyrim. 'cause that includes ridiculous magic users who can teleport, create portals to oblivion, raise the dead, and pop out magical artifacts that can warp the reality of the entire world. So, try and not sit too high up on that horse. They tend to get killed by Bears. A lot.

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Make this happen Bethesda.

Courier better range allowing most of his forces to kill most of dragonborn forces before they close the gap.

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@eternalnature: Or Dovahkiin just uses a Thu'um that wipes out half the United State. Makes all the rooster measuring rather pointless by that point.

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@reikai I'm going to say off the bat you make excellent cases for The Dragonborn so thank you for that =) I will say I don't see a Shiv getting through Power Armor buuuuuut who knows, maybe the Dovahkiin hits a rusty spot and then it's bye bye Jugluar Vein. (This is an attempt to get a laugh out of you), and wouldn't a laser pistol be enough to turn the Dragonborn to ash if he's hit? And I THINK, not positive but I THINK, V.A.T.S. allows you to target people who are using Stealthboys so while the Dragonborn might not make a sound with muffle, the Courier could still detect him. Also, while I agree Insta-Killing any dragon is laughable (damn if only Fortify Restoration worked for reals) There are certainly spells and some weapons that end the fight quickly, Lighting Storm comes to mind. Of course now that I think about it i'm not sure if this is able to relate back to the battle.... Hmmmm....

@anal_vomit .... I cannot stop being disturbed at your username. Anyways, Like reikai and my Opening post said above this is JUST the Dragonborn and the Courier fighting using whatever they can build up. While I think a battle between all forces of Tamriel and all forces of Post apocolyptia United States would be an epic battle for the ages, that's not what's happening here. The BoS, The Legion,ecetra they can give the Courier all the training, information and supplies he could possibly want but they cannot interfere directly with the battle.

Oh this is good =)Thank you to every past, current and future poster!

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@bossmoss4l: Well a #2 pencil can be shot through a tree by a tornado. All it takes is enough force. And I find it funny I can use a shiv to kill a dragon. Get mod for Dragonslayer from Berserk. Disenchant for the enchant to do +100dmg to dragons. Enchant onto shiv. Shiv a dragon. Win.

Not sure about a laser. But Lightning perk definitely lets you reduce people to ashes with lightning, bones, armor and all. Including dragons. Ward spells could stop beams. They don't stop physical attacks, but can stop magic/energy. "Energy is energy regardless of what shape or form" is the saying, so rule of equivalency can fit there. But wards still don't stop a guy from walking up and punching you in the face.

Aside from that, with Stealth there is also Nocturnal bolstering the Dragonborn, along with the Nightingale power. I usually take the Shadowcloak of Nocturnal. Better to have more stealth than another magic zapper. Have enough of those. Then of course we do have the Alteration Armor spells. With perks, you're practically invincible. Dragonfire does little more than be used to light your cigar at that point.

Also, op says no Daedric Artifacts. That doesn't include those belonging to the Divines/Aedra, such as Auriel's Bow and Auriel's Shield. Other artifacts like Volundrung, Mehrune's Razor, Mace of Molag Bal, etc etc, are all Daedric Artifacts. Basically Demonic tools. Aedra are the Gods/Holy dudes.

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#31  Edited By Bossmoss4l

@reikai I had completely forgotton about Wards and that is an excellent point you make. Actually now that I think about it a Ward could probably block Radiation too because all radiation really is, is energy and accelerating subatomic particles that are the byproducts of Nuclear Fission or Fusion, so no reason a Ward wouldn't block at least the Radiation and Heat of a Mini Nuke UNLESS the ward is overwhelmed with too much energy. I think the same also goes for the laser weapons too, the pew pew of a little laser pistol might not be enough to overwhelm the ward but the higher power energy weapons might be able to puncture it so to speak.

(Personally I like Nightingale Strife and just make invisibility potions out of Charus Eggs and Vampire Dust or Ice Wraith teeth, just a side note, Magic Zapper's are neat)

And as for your Aedric Artifacts.... okay you got me there. The weilder of Auriel's Bow is supposed to be invulnerable right? Weeeelll looks like I messed up. I thought "Ha! No Wabbajack for you!" at first because that's pretty much what I see in every Skyrim thread. =p But noooooo I forgot about the Shield that makes you impossible to kill via Lore. Durn it. Durn it aaaaaallll!!! Very Nice Trump card.

... You don't think a Holy Frag Grenade would get past that would you?

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@bossmoss4l: Well aside from wards it also depends on the Dovahkiin's equipment. Since none of the Dardric Artifacts are allowed (meaning no Ebony Mail or Savior's Hide), the Dovahkiin will have to use/make his own armor. Best is Daedric or Dragonplate. That also means enchantments.

If heat is the primary tool of the Courier then Dovahkiin will go for Fire Resistance enchantments. That would diminish their lasers (which're actually more like plasma pistols than lasers) and any heat-based weapon. Radiation is a bit trickier, but could resist that to a point and then Potions/Elixers to deal with the radiation poisoning. Of course Restoration Perks allow healing spells to restore Health and Stamina together, so the Dovahkiin will almost never get worn down.

Also, Auriel's Shield also makes the wielder all but invincible as well, and absorbs the impact of all attacks; physical, magical or otherwise. It stores that energy which the Dovahkiin can release in a Power Bash. Meaning all the force of every weapon that the Courier uses against the Dovahkiin, if blocked by the shield, can be added together and unleashed in a single blow. It's like having Cap America's shield, only better.

And I dunno if a holy frag grenade would work. Maxed Level, full perks in every tree with legendary status. Dovahkiin is almost invincible. Armor Spells, double strength, greater duration and part of damage absorbed is turned into magica. Combination with Restoration Perks, and the Dovahkiin can restore his Health, Stamina and Magica almost indefinitely while in battle.

Moving onto other things, he has other Illusion spells too. Like Mass Paralysis and Harmony. Essentially, he could stun every living thing around him for a good distance, or make them not want to fight. Or if he feels like being a mass murderer, he can just use the Storm Call shout, which creates a huge thunderstorm in the sky that zaps everyone, friend or foe, man, beast, elf, whatever, with lightning. And it covers miles. He doesn't even have to aim.

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@reikai: He could also probably take the Courier in H2H as well. Physically Dovakin must be able to lift up to at least 500 lbs and still run and fight in it, add it enchanted weapon/armour, a shout that increases your reaction speed, and Dragon Aspect which is like the magical power armour of Elder Scrolls then Courier really doesnt stqnd much of a chance.

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#34  Edited By Bossmoss4l

@reikai I wouldn't say "Heat" is his primary form of attack, it's just a byproduct of Energy Weapons, where Laser's are just supercharged photons and Plasma Weapons are... well superheated bursts of plasma.

The Courier still has conventional weapons and military grade rifles like the Anti-material Rifle, a .50 Caliber Sniper Rifle that's based on a real sniper rifle used by the French and other European Military; the PGM Hecate II. I'm not a gun expert and won't pretend to be, but this kind of weapon is used to pierce lightly armored military vehicles. He also has access to Miniguns like the CZ57 Avenger, a machine gun capable of spitting out 1,800 Bullets per minute [Noting that the carrying capacity of this is 120 rounds]. Both of these weapons can be loaded with bullet specially designed to pierce armor (Armor Piercing bullets =D), so I don't know if Daedric or Dragonplate Armor would be able to stand up to either of these weapons.

The Holy Frag grenade was mostly a joke honestly because Auriel's Shield is nearly impossible for me to get around. I can think of a few weapons slash situations that the Courier could use.

The first is the Euclid's C-Finder, a targeting system used for the Archimedes II Orbital Laser Platform, this weapon is described as "The Raw Power of the Sun, contained in a easy to carry package" and "Glorified Artillery" in game, firing a massive Orbital Drop onto the target.

The second would be a Fat Man, a mini-nuke launcher, loaded with the specialized "Tiny Tots", a single warhead that breaks apart into nine separate and smaller warheads each with a small but very powerful nuclear blast, kind of like a cluster bomb.

The last, (And this is a big stretch) would be the Courier learning how to fly the Boeing B-29 Superfortress that he retrieves for the Boomers, using the Flight simulators in the hanger and THEN loading this with either a full supply of bombs from the Boomers OR the Full Sized Nuclear Warhead known as "The One", a C-23 Megaton Vault-Tec Nuclear warhead (A nuclear bomb modeled after the "Fat Man" Nuclear Bomb detonated over Nagasaki in WWII and capable of delivering a yield equal to 21 kilotons of TNT. The Courier would use his months of training to fly the plane over the Dragonborn and drop the S.O.B. of a bomb ontop of him, hopefully leveling him and the entire countryside around him. (Of course if the Dragonborn DOES block this with his shield, he's basically carrying a Nuclear bomb on his arm).

The idea behind all three of those strategies is that they're have splash damage, an area of effect that the shield wouldn't be able to protect the Dragonborn from on all sides.

The Courier has some interesting armor as well, he's not walking into this naked. The best Power Armor I can think of would be the Gannon Family Tesla Power Armor, it was the one of the final Power Armor suits developed by the Enclave (the remnants of the American Government after the Great War). Along with built in Tesla Device that can dispurse Energy attacks to his surroundings (Such as Lightning Strikes), the suit also has built in servo-motors to help with heavy lifting and an "auto-gyro system" That locks the user's knees in place and keeps him from falling over (could stop Fus Ro Da, but was meant to only keep a stationary target standing, not someone being pushed back).

I will be honest I cannot think of any defense against Magic, yeah the suit will keep him from falling over if paralyzed but he still can't move for some time and the Harmony spell stumps me completely. Most of Fallout's perks actually deal with surviving the wasteland's dangers not actual combat.

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@bossmoss4l: I can't say much about how the more solid-round weapons will work against the armor, even with AP shells. They can fairly easily punch through European armored plate and chain. Which would be like the Steel Plate armor in TES.

The issue there is we move up to mythical materials and some downright magical ones. Dragon scales and bones are harder than Ebony, which is probably along the lines of black dumascus steel or the like. Possibly harder.

I would say that more than half of his armaments wouldn't be able to get through the combination of Dragonplate/Daedric Armor + Ebonyflesh or Dragonhide spell (Dragonhide reduces all dmg/impact by 80%). So what might've been enough to put holes into an Abrams Tank is reduced to the efficacy of a softball striking the umpires padding. Stings like a bisnatch, but otherwise doesn't really hurt.

Can't say anything about an orbital strike. If he notices, could turn the shield upward to block/absorb the direct strike. Or the Slow Time Shout and then Whirlwind Sprint to escape the blast radius. As far planes/aerial fighting, the only thing the Dovahkiin would be able to use (since he's not in Skyrim) is to summon Durnehviir. That will still work since the undead dragon is in the Soul Cairne, another dimension/realm, and not a physical world. The Shout connects wherever the Dovahkiin is with the Soul Cairne and pulls Durnehviir through at his call.

There is something that the Courier has no defense against at all and it's something that the Dovahkiin can only really use when in range. That is the Soul Tear shout, a shout that literally sunders the soul of the target. All the power armor and stuff has no defense against this. It would kill him instantly, then the energies would raise him as an undead under the Dovahkiin's power.

However Soul Tear has a very narrow line of attack, unlike his other Shouts. So it can be dodged. But even a grazing blow can be almost fatal.

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@reikai I believe we have reached the end of this debate. In the end while both boast an impressive arsenal and very interesting tactics, it seems like the Dragonborn is much more versatile and combat ready that the Courier can be. With his multiple shouts, Dragon summons, magical armor that we aren't sure how durable that this can be to AP rounds, and an ability to block energy weapons and personally I believe some explosive damage too, The Dragonborn has got a one up on the courier. I don't see many Melee weapons making a DENT in his armor and Unarmed combat isn't gonna work for a guy who could Decapitate people in a single strike.

The ONLY way I see the Courier having any chance of winning this is taking the Dragonborn by surprise with an energy weapon of some kind and instantly turning him into Ash or Goo. That's it. The Dragonborn has got so much for him even without Daedric weapons, he's an ultimate warrior versed in both weapons and magic, whereas the Courier is a survivor of a post apocalyptic world.

Sir or Madam, I would like to thank you very much for this well thought out debate. You have made very impressive arguments which I tip my hat to. It has been very interesting and entertaining for me and I hope it has been the same for you =)

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@bossmoss4l: That is a Sir. And yes, it is still possible for Courier to win via surprise. If he can get that one shot before the Dovahkiin knows he's there, using a sniper shot from a distance through the head which is the more vulnerable part of the armor, he might be able to kill the Dovahkiin with that one shot. Miss or glancing shot, and then he'll have up his armor spells and defenses.

It has been good. I have not played any of the Fallout games (nor Mass Effect or much of the Halo series, though I did read some of the novels). I can only speculate based on what information is given and what I have seen for myself concerning weapons (Deadliest Warrior at least does a nice job of that). So I never doubt the efficiency of a gun. (you can kill a Jedi with one if you know how to get passed their precog)

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@reikai Yes, but all in all, Dovahkiin has got this at least 9/10 in both situations. I've played Skyrim through once times and Fallout New Vegas Twice, none of Halo or Mass Effect and Deadliest Warrior does an excellent job I agree.

I didn't even know Jedi have precog

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@bossmoss4l: It's mainly a battle precog that helps them deflect blaster bolts and give them better reactions for combat, which mostly only senses a few seconds before they happen. Does not always work out well and can be tricked.

Usually they sense danger by intent. Which can be masked under intense surface emotions. Also doesn't work with people who're cut off from the Force or who have shrouded themselves from it.

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@reikai: He's invisible, so laser sensors hit nothing.

His Invisible to the eye! In Skyrim you can get hit while using the invisible spell, so then a laser also can hit you. .

The Courier still has Thermal scans and Motion Sensors.

The idea you can insta-kill a dragon is laughable. And the "iron swords and arrows" bit is equally laughable. Doesn't do jack to dragons.

So are you saying that the guards in Skyrim are Dragonborn too? I've seen five-seven guards take down dragons with just their bows and arrows. So Iron swords and arrows does do jack to dragons. The video of 200 imperial archers vs 3 legendary dragons. . The archers won, and I'm sure the imperials use iron arrows with their weak ass bow.

Now with weapons, If The Dragonborn comes close to the courier, welcome to Fat-Man or a Telsa Cannon. . two months to prepare? His got Sentry turrets, landmines, C4 detonators. He has an automatic Grenade launcher. . .

Now armor I think is equal. From Power Armor and Deadric armor. Power Armor easily takes care of Rocket launchers that are obviously much much much stronger than fireballs in skyrim. They can take hundreds maybe thousands of bullets, which i'm going to compare Glass Arrows.

and fighting up-close? I dare not say, Power-Fist. The courier is trained in unarmed and has been taught by Caesar? I would think that would be a fare fight against Daedric armor, since the Power Fist can easily send pretty much any attacker 5-10 meters away.

Courier has the Archemedes II, a giant satellite laser weapon. Example like Hammer of dawn from the Gears of War Series but ten times the attack radius.. . . Others have explained other things such as Flying planes, Barriers / Shields.. .etc..etc. .

I'm also going to add perks. The Courier has the mysterious lady and the mysterious stranger. With 10 luck, When the Dragonborn comes, Both of them are going to come out of nowhere and land a whole clip of a 45 caliber revolver into him and run away and possibly come back again.

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@reikai Ooooooooooh okay. See while I've seen the "second trilogy" and most of the original three movies, I've never read any of the books or wikis on Star Wars. In fact the only thing I do know is that there exists a species that has no connection to the Force, all of their ships and weaponry are completely biotic and believe any form of technology is blasphemy (and that was an article on this site that came out when Disney bought Lucasfilms)

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@bossmoss4l: The Yuuzon Vong. Basically the worst thing to happen to Star Wars since George Lucas started ruining his own work.

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@bossmoss4l: It was a fairly horrible story arc. The majority of SW fans did not like it.

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I'd say Courier. He has future technology that makes anything Dragonborn can use with magic, look insignificant. Including the Archimedes 2, which he can easily gain with the 2 months of prep time.

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@limpoyzloan: Well according to the Lore, the Dovahkiin of the 4th era is so powerful his Voice is capable of wiping out a continent. That's more powerful than any weapon the Courier can scrounge up.

Also, reminded me. Dovahkiin has the Become Etheral shout. Which makes him completely intangible. He can't do harm while in this state, but nothing can touch or hurt him either. It just means that it doesn't matter how powerful a weapon Courier has, it won't do jack to the Dovahkiin while he's like this.

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Dovahkiin becomes ethereal/slows time/whirlwind sprints, gets up close to the courier, hits him with either a calm spell, fear spell, or Nord battle cry, and then proceeds to end his life.

He can also paralyse him using alteration, backstab him while invisible, or hide somewhere and continually summon minions to do his fighting for him.

Dragonborn has too many options for disabling the Courier and then killing him in his leisure. The courier just has firepower.

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Dovahkiin. legendary dragon bone sword of paralyzing. three or four hits with that couriers dead.

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Dovahkiin becomes ethereal/slows time/whirlwind sprints, gets up close to the courier, hits him with either a calm spell, fear spell, or Nord battle cry, and then proceeds to end his life.

He can also paralyse him using alteration, backstab him while invisible, or hide somewhere and continually summon minions to do his fighting for him.

Dragonborn has too many options for disabling the Courier and then killing him in his leisure. The courier just has firepower.

Game mechanics wise that would be impossible since you just broke the cooldown of all the shouts since you can't DS repeatedly

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@i_like_swords said:

Dovahkiin becomes ethereal/slows time/whirlwind sprints, gets up close to the courier, hits him with either a calm spell, fear spell, or Nord battle cry, and then proceeds to end his life.

He can also paralyse him using alteration, backstab him while invisible, or hide somewhere and continually summon minions to do his fighting for him.

Dragonborn has too many options for disabling the Courier and then killing him in his leisure. The courier just has firepower.

Game mechanics wise that would be impossible since you just broke the cooldown of all the shouts since you can't DS repeatedly

I didn't mean at the same time. I meant he could choose any of those depending on whichever suited the situation best.