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#1 Edited by darkknight96000 (1161 posts) - - Show Bio
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Who wins?

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#2 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonders.

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#3 Posted by Uchiha545 (4207 posts) - - Show Bio

If the primal monitor is with them they win but if the primal monitor isn't with them the beyonders win.

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#4 Posted by Mugen_Tsukuyomi (470 posts) - - Show Bio

Ivory Kings, since to them PR Beyonder is a 'child' unit.

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#5 Edited by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

Ivory Kings, since to them PR Beyonder is a 'child' unit.

Yes and no. The Beyonder in Secret Wars was a child unit, but this comes after they retconned his powers and crazy feats to never happening/obsolete.

PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings.

Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings.

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#6 Posted by Kingant27 (16913 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysticmedivh: The Puctured Beyonders are extremely powerful as well.

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#7 Edited by Etheral_Dreams (6116 posts) - - Show Bio

@mugen_tsukuyomi said:

Ivory Kings, since to them PR Beyonder is a 'child' unit.

Yes and no. The Beyonder in Secret Wars was a child unit, but this comes after they retconned his powers and crazy feats to never happening/obsolete.

PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings.

Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings.

Basically this. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors.

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#8 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysticmedivh: The Puctured Beyonders are extremely powerful as well.

Yes, they are, however, not as powerful as PR Beyonder.

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#9 Posted by QueenAnt47 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

monitors

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#10 Posted by Kingant27 (16913 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysticmedivh: Proof?

Current LT was the confirmed 2nd to God, with the One Above All, whereas before there was no recollection of the One Above All or the LT; as 2nd to God.

Beyonders took down Current LT, and everyone else.

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#11 Posted by Mugen_Tsukuyomi (470 posts) - - Show Bio

@mugen_tsukuyomi said:

Ivory Kings, since to them PR Beyonder is a 'child' unit.

Yes and no. The Beyonder in Secret Wars was a child unit, but this comes after they retconned his powers and crazy feats to never happening/obsolete.

PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings.

Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings.

By feats? Yeah definitely agree with you there.

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#12 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysticmedivh said:

@mugen_tsukuyomi said:

Ivory Kings, since to them PR Beyonder is a 'child' unit.

Yes and no. The Beyonder in Secret Wars was a child unit, but this comes after they retconned his powers and crazy feats to never happening/obsolete.

PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings.

Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings.

By feats? Yeah definitely agree with you there.

Not only by feats, but the actual PR Beyonder wasn't a child unit. A retconned Beyonder during Secret Wars was, but not the version that was retconned.

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#13 Posted by darkknight96000 (1161 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#14 Posted by JwwProd (20888 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonders stomp.

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#15 Posted by XiiX (13583 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by kgb725 (19249 posts) - - Show Bio

Who are the beyonders?

Online
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#17 Posted by JwwProd (20888 posts) - - Show Bio

@kgb725 said:

Who are the beyonders?

The guys who killed Living Tribunal.

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#18 Posted by darkknight96000 (1161 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (5846 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonders. Stomp.

The Monitors were like the Celestials in Marvel, the Beyonders.....well, I bet the three of them can destroy all the Monitors. This would be a fair fight only if the three Beyonders are fighting all the Monitors plus their weapons, Mandrakk, and Nix Uotan.

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#20 Edited by kool_chris (212 posts) - - Show Bio

Ivory kings STOMP if the monitors are equal to the celestials ONE of the ivory kings solo'd the celestials lol

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#21 Posted by darkknight96000 (1161 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron_von_santa: Monitors>Celestials. The Celestials exist inside the various universes of the Marvel multiverse, While the Monitors exist outside the dc multiverse itself.

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#22 Posted by pern (1313 posts) - - Show Bio

The monitors are basically the embodiment of story tellers/narrator. Being metafictional is pointless in vs debates though.

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#23 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (5846 posts) - - Show Bio
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#24 Posted by deactivated-1358091 (2516 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless Dax Novu Mandrakk is involved, Beyonders stomp.

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#25 Posted by ancient_god (6567 posts) - - Show Bio
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#26 Posted by Spambot (9439 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the real question is who is the most powerful out of each group.

Monitors: chin beard, Amish beard or lambchops.

Beyonders: 2 eyes, 3 eyes or 4 eyes.

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#27 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonders. Stomp.

The Monitors were like the Celestials in Marvel, the Beyonders.....well, I bet the three of them can destroy all the Monitors. This would be a fair fight only if the three Beyonders are fighting all the Monitors plus their weapons, Mandrakk, and Nix Uotan.

Mind if I ask, but how big do you think Beyonder's are?

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#28 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (5846 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: Dunno, I guess their real size is slightly taller than a human, but can be as big or small as they want to be.

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#29 Posted by skyroid (2646 posts) - - Show Bio

These battles are hilarious.

Beyonder stomps

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#30 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (11943 posts) - - Show Bio
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#31 Posted by MySuperior (389 posts) - - Show Bio

beyonders

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#32 Posted by magnablue (10500 posts) - - Show Bio

We don't really know what primal monitor is capable of. But I'll go with beyonders

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#33 Posted by TheClassicIon (1398 posts) - - Show Bio

The 3 Ivory kings stomp !! they killed the Living Tribunal

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#34 Posted by TheClassicIon (1398 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonders. Stomp.

The Monitors were like the Celestials in Marvel, the Beyonders.....well, I bet the three of them can destroy all the Monitors. This would be a fair fight only if the three Beyonders are fighting all the Monitors plus their weapons, Mandrakk, and Nix Uotan.

Sounds accurate :) and it would be better if the Over Monitor faced the Ivory Kings he could probably solo

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#35 Posted by JohnnyEli (75 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm thinking the Beyonders. Btw would be interesting to see the Beyonders against Nekron and Black Lanterns or COIE Anti Monitor

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#36 Posted by lettsplay10 (20589 posts) - - Show Bio
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#37 Posted by johnfrank120 (6702 posts) - - Show Bio
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#38 Posted by JohnnyEli (75 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnfrank120: i know but many on this site believe him to be the big evil of DC and very powerful so just thought it would be interesting to see.:-/

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#39 Posted by Keikai (1685 posts) - - Show Bio

The Beyonders.

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#40 Posted by decaf_wizard (17022 posts) - - Show Bio

These three killed LT, and every celestial. Based of that feat alone they win. Beating LT is like beating full power spectre

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#42 Posted by Kingant27 (16913 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonders win.

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#43 Posted by JuliusTakalua (379 posts) - - Show Bio

What's this nonsense that THREE Ivory Kings killed LT?

Beyonders=Ivory Kings. There arent' just three Beyonders called Ivory Kings... And it took an army of them to kill LT. Unless they specifically said THREE Beyonders killed LT, then no... it took an army of them. It was implied that way.

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#44 Posted by MaZeRaIII (4725 posts) - - Show Bio

So herald - tier beings vs Cosmic Beings? Beyonders godstomp them beyond belief.

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#45 Posted by Khael (15331 posts) - - Show Bio

What's this nonsense that THREE Ivory Kings killed LT?

Beyonders=Ivory Kings. There arent' just three Beyonders called Ivory Kings... And it took an army of them to kill LT. Unless they specifically said THREE Beyonders killed LT, then no... it took an army of them. It was implied that way.

Hmmm....

What?

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#46 Posted by MichaelJulius (715 posts) - - Show Bio

Monitors aren't even remotely close to the power of the Beyonders. Only the Primal Monitor would wreck them.

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#47 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

So herald - tier beings vs Cosmic Beings? Beyonders godstomp them beyond belief.

I think you would find that a single Monitor is likely to be far more powerful than any herald... or its master for that matter.

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#48 Posted by MasterOfLuck123 (739 posts) - - Show Bio

Powerscaling is irrelevant in Marvel. You might as well argue that Starbrand can beat LT.

The Beyonders killed LT, the abstracts, and the Celestials across the multiverse, only to get wiped out by a bomb that destroyed hundreds of thousands of universes. In this case, it goes:

Bomb > Beyonders > LT > Bomb > Beyonders > LT

Its just absurd. LT is of course > hundreds of thousands of universes, since he does govern the multiverse, yet his killers got offed by a blast that shouldn't have scratched him in any way.

Powerscaling is not compatible with Marvel. There are literally hundreds of writers, and all of them have differing opinions on characters, sizes, structures, etc. Just because one character displayed universal power in one story doesn't mean it will necessarily be as powerful in another writer's story.

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#49 Posted by lordraiden (9664 posts) - - Show Bio

If the primal monitor is with them they win but if the primal monitor isn't with them the beyonders win.

out of curiosity, what feats has the Primal Monitor have that put him in the level of omnipotence?

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#50 Posted by dawnone (7265 posts) - - Show Bio

monitors primal monitor solos and stomps so bad he's beyond omnipotent.