Title says all. Who would win?
Setup:
-Thanos and Kars are seriously.
Thanos disintegrates her
Kars is a man lol.
@frocharocha: Oh haha, he looks like a girl
@frocharocha: Feats for him?
@frocharocha: Feats for him?
Name: Kars
Origin:JoJo's Bizarre Adventure(JORGE JOESTAR)
Gender: Male
Age: ~10,000,000,000,102,000
Classification: The Ultimate Lifeform
Powers and Abilities:Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Enhanced Senses, Body Control, Biological Manipulation(Could alter the physical bodies of others by altering specific points in the brain; turned Yoshikage Kira's body into a pile of heads from a drop of blood on his tie), Absorption, Light Manipulation and Explosion Manipulation via Light Mode, Immortality (Types 1 and 3), Regeneration (Mid-High), Resistance to Explosion Manipulation and Time Manipulation (Killer Queen's primary and third bomb did not affect Kars whatsoever, no matter the intensity of the explosion), Resistance to Willpower Manipulation (Should be comparable to Dio, as he gained his new abilities by eating him), Shapeshifting, Soul Manipulation (Grabbed Killer Queen, which is also Yoshikage Kira's soul, out of his body and made it attack Kira himself; disassembled Narancia's Das Boot), Adaptation, Reactive Evolution, and Power Mimicry(can view an ability and/or concept and "understand it" while also being able to use it at mastery levels of skill if not greater than the source of said concept) | Creation of Stand and Memory discs that export or input Stands and souls with Whitesnake Ultimate | Dividing and Combining submarine units that fire missiles and dive inside objects with Das Boot Ultimate | Sand Manipulation and Earth Manipulation with Dune Ultimate | Time Stop and Acausality with The World Ultimate; Kars resists the effects of Time Stop when using it | Gravity Manipulation with C-Moon Ultimate | Explosion Manipulation and One Hit Kill with Killer Queen's primary bomb; same as the primary bomb alongside Rewinding Time with Bites the Dust. Any target inflicted with Bites the Dust is fated to fall to the same doom as before the time reversal | Portal Creation that allows Dimensional Travel, and Parallel Universe Creation with D4C Ultimate; Kars resists the effects of Menger Sponge merging | Made in Heaven Ultimate speeds up time and eventually resets the universe with varying differences per reset.
Attack Potency:Country level+ (Flipped Britain) | At least Large Building level with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | Country level+ with Das Boot Ultimate (Its missiles could easily destroy Kars' and Dio's body) | Varies with Dune Ultimate (Its power depends on the sand amount in Kars' range) | At least Large Building level with The World Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original The World) | Large Building level with Killer Queen (Ranked A in Power; is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Large Building level with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe) | Universe level+ with D4C Ultimate (Every parallel universe it travels through is created with its own timeline and events similar to the "root" universe by it) | Universe level+ with Made in Heaven Ultimate (MiH Ultimate makes time accelerate to infinity, which then follows to the end and rebirth of the universe)
Speed:Hypersonic with Massively FTL reactions (This is the same Kars from the J-Universe) | Massively FTL with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | Hypersonic with Das Boot Ultimate (Combined or divided, it can keep up with Dio and Kars) | At least Subsonic+ with Dune Ultimate (Crossed a total distance of 8 kilometers in 2 minutes) | Infinite with The World Ultimate (Blitzed Gold Experience Requiem) | Massively FTL with C-Moon Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original C-Moon) | Massively FTL with Killer Queen (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Massively FTL with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe) | Massively FTL with D4C Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original D4C) | Infinite with Made in Heaven Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Made in Heaven; will eventually reach these speeds with time acceleration.)
Lifting Strength: At least Class 25+ | Unknown with Whitesnake Ultimate | Unknown with Das Boot Ultimate | Unknown with Dune Ultimate | Unknown with Dune Ultimate | Unknown with The World Ultimate | Unknown with C-Moon Ultimate | Unknown with Killer Queen | Unknown with D4C Ultimate | Unknown with Made in Heaven Ultimate
Striking Strength:Country Class+ | At least Large Building Class with Whitesnake Ultimate | Country Class+ with Das Boot Ultimate | Varies with Dune Ultimate | At least Large Building Class with The World Ultimate | At least Large Building Class with C-Moon Ultimate | At least Large Building Class with Killer Queen | At least Large Building Class with D4C Ultimate (This is for D4C Ultimate's physical strikes, which should be comparable to the original D4C) | At least Large Building Class with Made in Heaven Ultimate
Durability:Country level+ (Evenly matched with Dio Brando, who could not kill him). Regeneration makes him difficult to kill. | At least Large Building level with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | At least Large Building level with Das Boot Ultimate due to sheer size | Unknown with Dune Ultimate (Made purely out of sand, meaning there is no formal way of harming it, but a 200x300 pillar of rock made by it was said to be stronger than dozens of small buildings, or at least Large Building level) | At least Large Building level with The World Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original The World) | At least Large Building level with C-Moon Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original C-Moon) | Large Building level with Killer Queen (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Large Building level with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe) | At least Large Building level with D4C Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original D4C) | Universe level+ with Made in Heaven
Stamina: Limitless
Range: 100 kilometers (Created tendrils that wrapped around a spaceship from this distance) | At least 20 meters with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | At least 8 kilometers with Das Boot Ultimate (The original Das Boot was attacking Kars' moon, which was eight kilometers from the surface of Mars) | At least Planetary with Dune Ultimate (Its original was capable of gathering the entirety of sand on Mars) | At least 10 meters with The World Ultimate (Should be comparable to original The World); Time Stop has universal range | 3 kilometer radius with C-Moon Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original C-Moon) | 1 meter with Killer Queen (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Universal with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe.) | At least 2 meters with D4C Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original D4C); Universal with D4C Ultimate's ability | Universal+ with Made in Heaven Ultimate
Standard Equipment: Nothing Notable | Das Boot Ultimate, Dune Ultimate, The World Ultimate, Killer Queen and Bites the Dust, D4C Ultimate | Whitesnake Ultimate | C-Moon Ultimate | Made in Heaven Ultimate
Intelligence: Supergenius (Capable of understanding concepts such as Stands, Parallel Worlds, and Heaven in seconds; knowledgeable on almost every living organism and their limits. He had easily and quickly determined that Joji and Dio were singularities when he determining Dio's plans and weaknesses with the Passion.)
Weaknesses: Nothing Notable | Whitesnake Ultimate has to create physical contact with a target to extract or put in discs. | The more Das Boot splits into individual submarines, the less power a single Das Boot can give. | Nothing Notable with Dune Ultimate | The World Ultimate can only stop time for at least one hour; it can be countered with some other forms of time manipulation (i.e. Time Acceleration) or someone else aware of Time Stop | Nothing Notable with C-Moon Ultimate | Killer Queen requires direct contact to place a bomb. Killer Queen can only create one bomb at a time. The primary bomb cannot detonate in a vacuum. | Kars must be between two objects of any kind in order to travel to another universe. | Made in Heaven Ultimate's time acceleration slowly increases over time and must constantly accelerate in order to reset the universe.
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
Key:Novel Kars | Das Boot Ultimate and other Various Stands | Whitesnake Ultimate | C-Moon Ultimate | Made in Heaven Ultimate
@frocharocha: Ig thanos still stomps
@frocharocha: ...feats... not VSbattle wikia...
All I got from that was that Thanos stomps.
@frocharocha: Ig thanos still stomps
Kars wins this, kids. Anyone saying otherwise hasn't the faintest idea about how stupidly OP Novel Kars was.
@stalin-is-steel: I don't see anyone but Omnipotents being able to beat Kars xD
All his stands are ultimate, Requiem and over heaven...
@zacrimsonwarudo: Yeah, there's a good reason why Jorge Joestar isn't canon.
https://homies-vs-wikia.wikia.com/wiki/Novel_Kars
He has all the stands in its requiem, ultimate and over heaven mode.
Basically amped infinity gauntlet
https://homies-vs-wikia.wikia.com/wiki/Novel_Kars
He has all the stands in its requiem, ultimate and over heaven mode.
Basically amped infinity gauntlet
Has he busted a multiverse? As thats the minimal amount of damage required to make an IG wielder flinch
Damage doesn't matter at all in a hax vs hax fight.
Though d4c ultimate requiem over heaven attacks from infinite universes.
And if Kars lands a punch he can rewrite reality to whatever he sees fits stop time infinitely with the world ultimate requiem over heaven.
Can turn thanos into a book, write whatever he wants eg- 'I cannot affect kars in anyway- and he will be obedient to it due to heaven's door ultimate requiem over heaven
Can turn thanos himself into a bomb and rewind time as much as he likes with killer queen ultimate requiem over heaven
Etc.
He gets all stands' abilities * infinity basically
Damage doesn't matter at all in a hax vs hax fight.
Though d4c ultimate requiem over heaven attacks from infinite universes.
And if Kars lands a punch he can rewrite reality to whatever he sees fits stop time infinitely with the world ultimate requiem over heaven.
Can turn thanos into a book, write whatever he wants eg- 'I cannot affect kars in anyway- and he will be obedient to it due to heaven's door ultimate requiem over heaven
Can turn thanos himself into a bomb and rewind time as much as he likes with killer queen ultimate requiem over heaven
Etc.
He gets all stands' abilities * infinity basically
Infinite universes is a multiverse, and Thanos one-shot a guy that one-shots multiverses, so come with something better. Because unless you have evidence those hax work on an IG wielder Kars gets vaporized.
Busting strength is really irrelevant when you can infinitely reality warp at infinite speeds xD
But so can Thanos, with only the reality and time gem he's already infinitely fast and can warp reality infinitely, so that is not much of an argument Im afraid.
If thanos can also revert all reality warping from Kars to 0 like Kars can with GER ultimate over heaven then I guess it is a stalemate until one runs out of stamina - which kars isnt because he has infinite stamina
@zacrimsonwarudo: Explain what that is so I can comment on it if you wouldn't mind. And base Thanos already can't tire out, so IG Thanos wont have a problem with that.
@thehierarchy: Explain GER ultimtae over heaven? Well, normal GER is able to revert all harm that would affect its user to 0 meaning nothing basically happened. GER ultimate over heaven is that * infinity
@zacrimsonwarudo: That is a NLF, so unless it was shown to be able to deflect a multiversal attack it wont help.
@tabbender: Actually Kars has infinite and immeasurable because The world and GER
Also iirc, doesnt the IG only work in its own universe?
@thehierarchy: The abilities described by the author says it can turn enemies' actions to 0. Didn't state any limits. The normal GER was able to move in erased time. (Basically, his enemy can see 10 seconds into the future, decide whether to erase it or not, and change what he wants to happen in the erased time. The 10 seconds into the future is fate and will happen. GER changed this fate so he has probability manipulation as well lol)
https://goo.gl/images/wxUp3s
This is normal GER. Kars has that * infinity with very heaven lol.
@thehierarchy: The abilities described by the author says it can turn enemies' actions to 0. Didn't state any limits. The normal GER was able to move in erased time. (Basically, his enemy can see 10 seconds into the future, decide whether to erase it or not, and change what he wants to happen in the erased time. The 10 seconds into the future is fate and will happen. GER changed this fate so he has probability manipulation as well lol)
https://goo.gl/images/wxUp3s
This is normal GER. Kars has that * infinity with very heaven lol.
Doesn't matter, Odin was stated to be omnipotent yet gets stomped by Galactus, who was also stated to be omnipotent and got stomped by Eternity and so on. The ability has to have shown to be able to take an attack capable of destroying a multiverse, otherwise you have no evidence to say it can.
@zacrimsonwarudo: Neither The World nor GER have Immeasurable speed. Nothing in JJBA does.
I'm not fully aware of the IG's restrictions, but doesn't verse equalization make that kind of rules irrelevant ?
The abilities described by the author says it can turn enemies' actions to 0. Didn't state any limits.
Everything have limits
This is normal GER. Kars has that * infinity with very heaven lol.
No he doesn't. Jorge Joestar Kars never gets GER, and never muliplies his stands' power by infinity. These are legends made by people who have never read the novel.
@tabbender: IG only works in the Marvel Universe. Darkseid tried using it during the only canon crossover between DC and Marvel (JLA/Avengers) and it failed to work. Pretty sure it was explained that the gauntlet only seems to be able to manipulate stuff when in the Marvel universe.
@stalin-is-steel: Wouldn't this be ignored in debates due to verse equalization though ? Much like jedi being logically unable to use force on beings that don't have force
@frocharocha: Unless Novel Kars is more powerful than Eternity (A being capable of recreating the Multiverse) this is a complete mistmatch.
@tabbender: Also GER does have infinite (immeasurable should be a synonym) speed. Moving in ERASED time.. http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Giorno_Giovanna#Gold Experience Requiem
@zacrimsonwarudo: Infinite speed and Immeasurable speed are different. I would expect someone who's using VSBW as a source to know that.
Immeasurable speed means you can "move" forward and backward in time.
@tabbender: The definitions I got was that infinite is moving in stopped time and immeasurable was moving in no time
@zacrimsonwarudo: That's wrong though
Kars Novel is beyond infinity.
He can pretty much reset the entire multiverse using Bites the Dust and he can manipulate reality, he can reset anything to zero by using Gold Experience Requiem (GER) Ultimate.
GER was able to reset anything and everything in its presence and it was already unlimited in its reset to zero ability, but Kars' Ultimate GER made it even more overpowered.
He has beyond infinite speed, can reform his entire body with a single molecule of atom.
Time travel infinitely with no limits and have inifinite time stop using Za Warudo Ultimate.
He has so many overpowered stands which he has enchanced using his ultimate powers.
Basically his stands that he has stolen is more powerful than Requiem stands + Heaven Ascended stands combined.
Novel Kars is not canon since Kars Novel was written by someone else rather than original author JoJo's franchise.
Novel Kars stomps. The dude is multiversal+ in attack potency, is acasual(TW Ultimate and GER Ultimate), capable of creating an infinite amount of parallel universes(D4C Ultimate), capable of rewinding time in all universes(KQ Ultimate), Resets the universe instantly(MIH Ultimate), capable of freely controlling gravity(C-Moon Ultimate) NK gains nearly every stand at the end of the novel and turns them into Ultimate Requiem Over Heaven versions. He has regeneration on the sub-atomic level, and has the abilities of every living animal. He literally waltzes into heaven and meets God himself(as in capital G God), who is the only character stronger than him(probably). Heaven is not a place you cannot just walk into so.
This isn't even getting into stands like KC Ultimate, which can erase any point in time. TW Ultimate has infinite time stop, and soooo much more
Thanos.
Powers seem even or atleast able to counter one another's. Thanos on the other hand is a genius who I'm sure will come up with a solid strategy.
Novel Kars destroy the entire Marvel and DC multiverse combined by just summoning TOAA and the Writer to erase both verse thanks to the bohemian Rhapsody. Nobody in all comic multiverse can ever hope to defeat Novel Kars, Not even Lucifer Morningstar and Endless can win against Novel Kars.
IIRC comic IG used to have the power to destroy multiple universe or a multiverse but The Living Tribunal just went, "Yah imma make dis thing be limited to its own universe" and now it has the power to destroy a multiverse but only in its own universe... if that makes sense. Also Novel Kars is stupidly OP but I don't think it's multiverse level OP, just universal. Although Made in Heaven Requiem could be multiversal but that is a huge maybe.
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