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#1 Posted by Spartan101 (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

After zeus had just finished giving hulk that smackdown thanos arrives and wants a h2h fight with him also,zeus laughs and says i've beat titans before,,,,thanos smiles back at him.........both have all their powers but can only hit each other h2h.

,,,,,,,,,,,,vs,,,,,,,,,,,

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#2 Posted by Nerx (15350 posts) - - Show Bio

@Spartan101: Zeus is shown manhandling Hulk while Thanos is said to teach gamorra some of her moves, do you have any showings of thanos fighting with kicks?

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#3 Posted by bigcimmerian (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

Zeus would smack him around

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#4 Posted by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian: what has Zeus DONE that makes you believe he can beat Thanos H2H?

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#5 Posted by Spartan101 (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nerx: i've never seen him kick people around,but i've also never seen zeus kick people around..they tend to punch,but i'm sure both can kick very hard indeed.

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#6 Posted by thanobomb1124 (2042 posts) - - Show Bio
@Spartan101

@Nerx: i've never seen him kick people around,but i've also never seen zeus kick people around..they tend to punch,but i'm sure both can kick very hard indeed.

LOL. WHAT'S WITH THE KICKS?
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#7 Posted by Spartan101 (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanobomb1124: haha not sure tbh,was asked about him kicking?

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#8 Posted by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nerx: @Spartan101: my link button does not work. so you have to copy/paste the links. sorry. but here is Thanos fight against champion. Champion lives only to fight. Champion also has the power gem.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8524/fight81ph1.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3087/fight82od2.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/169/fight83hq5.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1461/fight84ob4.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7371/fight85ns8.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1909/fight86yk9.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3116/fight87qv0.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1854/fight88it9.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3465/fight89eu2.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6061/fight810gv6.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4601/fight811fp6.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6493/fight812kn2.jpg

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#9 Posted by Spartan101 (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: thanks buddy.

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#10 Posted by Nerx (15350 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: woow

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#11 Posted by Nerx (15350 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanobomb1124 said:

@Spartan101

@Nerx: i've never seen him kick people around,but i've also never seen zeus kick people around..they tend to punch,but i'm sure both can kick very hard indeed.

LOL. WHAT'S WITH THE KICKS?

Usually kicking is reserved for martial artists in DC, brawler types only get to swing their fists

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#12 Posted by thanobomb1124 (2042 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nerx

@thanobomb1124 said:

@Spartan101

@Nerx: i've never seen him kick people around,but i've also never seen zeus kick people around..they tend to punch,but i'm sure both can kick very hard indeed.

LOL. WHAT'S WITH THE KICKS?

Usually kicking is reserved for martial artists in DC, brawler types only get to swing their fists

Ah. LOL
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#13 Posted by Nerx (15350 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanobomb1124: For me seeing superman use his feet is comic gold

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#14 Posted by Bo88gdan (5408 posts) - - Show Bio

Zeus

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#15 Posted by bigcimmerian (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@BigCimmerian: what has Zeus DONE that makes you believe he can beat Thanos H2H?

And what has Thanos done that makes you believe he can fight skyfathers H2H?

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#16 Posted by thanobomb1124 (2042 posts) - - Show Bio
@BigCimmerian

@pooty said:

@BigCimmerian: what has Zeus DONE that makes you believe he can beat Thanos H2H?

And what has Thanos done that makes you believe he can fight skyfathers H2H?

And what makes you think That Zeus knows how to kick? :p
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#17 Posted by Deranged Midget (18346 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Zeus even strong enough to penetrate Thanos' shields?

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#18 Posted by Saren (27593 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

Zeus would smack him around

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#19 Posted by TheGodKiller3 (374 posts) - - Show Bio

Technically speaking , this the repeat of the Thanos Odin fight . Zeus takes it 8/10 .

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#20 Edited by slimj87d (13899 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty said:

@Nerx: @Spartan101: my link button does not work. so you have to copy/paste the links. sorry. but here is Thanos fight against champion. Champion lives only to fight. Champion also has the power gem.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8524/fight81ph1.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3087/fight82od2.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/169/fight83hq5.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1461/fight84ob4.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7371/fight85ns8.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1909/fight86yk9.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3116/fight87qv0.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1854/fight88it9.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3465/fight89eu2.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6061/fight810gv6.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4601/fight811fp6.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6493/fight812kn2.jpg

These scans add nothing to this debate. What they show is how stupid Champion is while he constantly screams that he is champion. They show how inexperienced champion really is and how he didn't think anything through at all. In one scan he actually trips and fall sand finally he defeats himself by destroying the planet and it's gravitational field which eliminated his only means of mobility. 
 

Lastly, Thanos was clearly using energy projectiles, etc to amp his strikes as you can see them. 
 
In this fight, there are no powers and energy projectiles and amping. We saw Zeus without powers at all and strength alone soundly defeating and embarrassing one of, if not, the most powerful incarnations of Hulk. Zeus beat on Hulk like a grown man beating on a small child or even worse, showing that Zeus is magnitudes above Green Scar Hulk in striking ability. 
 
Scans of Thanos just using pure strength would apply.  
 
@TheGodKiller3 said:

Technically speaking , this the repeat of the Thanos Odin fight . Zeus takes it 8/10 .

It is not. Strictly H2H with no energy manipulation of any kind allowed. A very different kind of fight with possibly the same outcome though. 
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#21 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12469 posts) - - Show Bio

Zeus.

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#22 Posted by whacknasty (5862 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nerx said:

@thanobomb1124: For me seeing superman use his feet is comic gold

Lol. I've only seen him kick once during the Death of the New Gods arc. Was strange and neat at the same time.

@BigCimmerian: I'm on the fence here... Thanos has stomped Surfer with his bare hands, and it didn't look like he put forth much effort to do so. Surfer has pushed Thor physically a few times if I remember right (which may not matter if Zeus is physically leagues above Thor? I always thought the power differences were due to magic abilities of Zeus/Odin compared to Thor...?)

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#23 Edited by slimj87d (13899 posts) - - Show Bio
@whacknasty: Well he beat the hell out of WW Hulk using strength alone and made it look like a child fighting an adult. I don't think SS or Thor could do that to Hulk H2H. SS and Thor have mostly had to use their wide versatile methods of fighting to take down Hulk. Hercules doesn't have a good track record against the Hulk either. None of them have encountered this WW Hulk being either. Taking all that into account, I think Zeus would backhand Thanos into submission. 
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#24 Posted by whacknasty (5862 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: Lol, would be payback for all of the backhands Thanos dished out during the IG arc. Good points, I think I'll go with Zeus now as well.

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#25 Posted by bigcimmerian (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@whacknasty said:

@Nerx said:

@thanobomb1124: For me seeing superman use his feet is comic gold

Lol. I've only seen him kick once during the Death of the New Gods arc. Was strange and neat at the same time.

@BigCimmerian: I'm on the fence here... Thanos has stomped Surfer with his bare hands, and it didn't look like he put forth much effort to do so. Surfer has pushed Thor physically a few times if I remember right (which may not matter if Zeus is physically leagues above Thor? I always thought the power differences were due to magic abilities of Zeus/Odin compared to Thor...?)

Odin>=Zeus>>>Thanos>>Silver Surfer>Thor

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#26 Posted by termiteone4ever (11976 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos get his gauntlet handed to him again

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#27 Posted by whacknasty (5862 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

@whacknasty said:

@Nerx said:

@thanobomb1124: For me seeing superman use his feet is comic gold

Lol. I've only seen him kick once during the Death of the New Gods arc. Was strange and neat at the same time.

@BigCimmerian: I'm on the fence here... Thanos has stomped Surfer with his bare hands, and it didn't look like he put forth much effort to do so. Surfer has pushed Thor physically a few times if I remember right (which may not matter if Zeus is physically leagues above Thor? I always thought the power differences were due to magic abilities of Zeus/Odin compared to Thor...?)

Odin>=Zeus>>>Thanos>>Silver Surfer>Thor

In pure physical strength? I guess I haven't seen Surfer flex his muscle enough to put him over Thor...lol. In theory though, yeah.

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#28 Posted by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian: @SlimJ87D: Thanos has showed more skill than Zeus ever has. Champion with Power gem is stronger than Hulk. Champion busted the planet with 1 punch. The Hulk Zeus fight was pure pounding. Thanos has shown skill, dodging, reflexes in his fights. Even when sparring with Gamora. Or when Thanos fought his double. Zeus only showed he was stronger than Hulk. What are Zeus skill feats?

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#29 Edited by slimj87d (13899 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty: You are not understanding the point. It does not matter that he fought the champion with the power gem, he was using energy to shoot beams and to perform strikes. This is irrelevant to the topic as this is strictly H2H with what ever physical ability they have due to their physiology and not due to the magic or energy amps they may use to strike with or fire from. 
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#30 Posted by bigcimmerian (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@whacknasty said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@whacknasty said:

@Nerx said:

@thanobomb1124: For me seeing superman use his feet is comic gold

Lol. I've only seen him kick once during the Death of the New Gods arc. Was strange and neat at the same time.

@BigCimmerian: I'm on the fence here... Thanos has stomped Surfer with his bare hands, and it didn't look like he put forth much effort to do so. Surfer has pushed Thor physically a few times if I remember right (which may not matter if Zeus is physically leagues above Thor? I always thought the power differences were due to magic abilities of Zeus/Odin compared to Thor...?)

Odin>=Zeus>>>Thanos>>Silver Surfer>Thor

In pure physical strength? I guess I haven't seen Surfer flex his muscle enough to put him over Thor...lol. In theory though, yeah.

No, I meant in battle using all their abilities

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#31 Posted by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: No you are not understanding the point. The scans show more skill than Zeus has ever shown. Both Zeus and Thanos are 100tonners so it's not about strength or power ups. Those scans show THanos doing more than just pounding on a brute. It shows his speed, reaction time, reflexes and H2H skill. I'm saying people will say Zeus=Odin so Zeus wins. But Odin has not beaten Thanos in a H2H fight. And i can post a few more fights of Thanos showing skill in H2H. But i doubt the same feats are available for Zeus. So without any power ups they are both 100 tonners. But Thanos has more H2H feats than Zeus. That is the point.

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#32 Edited by slimj87d (13899 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty said:

@SlimJ87D: No you are not understanding the point. The scans show more skill than Zeus has ever shown. Both Zeus and Thanos are 100tonners so it's not about strength or power ups. Those scans show THanos doing more than just pounding on a brute. It shows his speed, reaction time, reflexes and H2H skill. I'm saying people will say Zeus=Odin so Zeus wins. But Odin has not beaten Thanos in a H2H fight. And i can post a few more fights of Thanos showing skill in H2H. But i doubt the same feats are available for Zeus. So without any power ups they are both 100 tonners. But Thanos has more H2H feats than Zeus. That is the point.

Again, Thanos is using various energy attacks. This fight is strictly hand to hand meaning no energy attacks. Your scans don't apply here. It's as simple as that Pooty. It's like me showing someone running and gunning and saying they have better hand to hand feats. 
 
Yes, please post scans of Thano's H2H feats, they would make more sense and back up your claims better than the fight with champion. There is not a problem with that. 
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#33 Posted by the creator (8563 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually in the fight Zeus had with the Hulk, Zeus also occasionally was shown to be enhancing his blows with a lightning effect. Another point to make is that Zeus is normally a similar height to Thor / Odin. It is clear that in his battle with the Hulk that Zeus is much larger, dwarfing even the Hulk, who is depicted as being taller than Thor nowadays. Just like Odin has done in the past, it would appear that Zeus augmented himself with his powers, increasing his strength as well as his size.

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#34 Edited by slimj87d (13899 posts) - - Show Bio
@the creator: Then I guess we really don't have any way to compare the 2 in a strict H2H fight only. I just relooked at the Hulk fights and he was amping himself physically. But Thanos performs the same feat when he strikes at people.  
 
Here he is beating on Silver Surfer and it is clear that you see multiple energy strikes that surround his fist: 
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6796301  
 
Again, in his fight with Thing and Thor he was using energy to amp his strikes: 
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsThanosThing4.jpg 
 
Again, when he fights Drax and Hulk energy surrounds his hands: 
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/55672/1114923-drax_thanos_super.jpg 

My point to Pooty though was that his fight with Champion was purely just outsmarting the brute, heck even in one of the scans champion fails to finish his strike because he gets tripped. I don't see how those could be used as proof that Thanos is above Zeus in H2H only. If Zeus destroyed the Earth, he could still fly and fight. 
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#35 Posted by the creator (8563 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a tough one to call, as neither of them shows a lot of h2h combat. But I'm actually favouring Zeus.

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#36 Posted by jeanroygrant (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

Zeus The King Of Olympus.

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#37 Posted by King Saturn (221698 posts) - - Show Bio
Zeus should be able to beat Thanos
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#38 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (10985 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos took down Surfer with his fist alone. He takes it.

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#39 Posted by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: the creator beat me to it. you said no amping then your first example is zeus who was amping with Hulk. Just because they were amping strength what does that have to do with H2H skill? You still have to hit the person. Iron Fist uses chi to make his iron fist. Wolverine has a healing factor. But besides that you can still get atleast an idea of what their combat style is like. You can still gauge their speed, reflexes, skill etc. Getting stronger does not improve your skill.

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#40 Edited by slimj87d (13899 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: This version of Hulk has the best H2H experience yet after going through WWH, etc. The Hulk performs thunderclaps and has kept up with the Sentry as you know so he's not slow himself. There was absolutely nothing he could do to Zeus, the only time he made contact was with sucker punches.

Professor Hulk, a weaker and less experienced Hulk was able to land or perform better. Granted Thanos was fighting multiple people including Drax at one point, Thanos still used energy blasts etc so we'll never really get to gauge his H2H against Zeus who willingly went into direct combat with Hulk, lowering his magical shields and everything to humiliating him.

A comparison of speed, skill and reflexes Zeus has shown better due to his fight with this version of Hulk, where others that fight H2H with a weaker and less experienced Hulk in the past have not fair off so well and resulted to using energy blasts etc.

I'm going to have to agree with the majority here.

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#41 Posted by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: The Hulk is no one to be judging fighting by. The hulk has never shown skill in his fights. Even less than Champion has. I'm saying Zeus and Thanos both always amp their strength. So that cancels out. Lets look at everyone they have fought over the years and see who has the better display of skill not strength. Thanos has fought Mantis. He sparred with Gamora. He has physically fought entire teams a few times. He fought Drax. Silver Surfer. A stronger clone of himself. Zeus fought Hulk on olympus and still had to amp up. What does that prove? And not one person who said Zeus gave a reason besides Zeus=Odin. and odin didn't even beat Thanos in H2H.

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#42 Posted by slimj87d (13899 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: So you're saying Thanos never amped his strikes in those fights? Almost every H2H fight I have seen with Thanos, the majority of the time, if not all the time, his strikes are amplified. There's real no way to gauge their H2H abilities, and we really don't know how much they were amping themselves in their H2H showings. We can either both agree that there's not enough evidence to clearly say who is the better H2H combatant if they fought with their strengths alone, or we can go by how much they could amplify themselves and go H2H which Zeus has shown to be leagues above WWHulk without receiving any type of physical damage or was never even struck without a sucker punch.

Compare everyone else encounters with Hulk H2H like I said, no one has done well, not even Hercules and he was actually using a lot of skill in his fight to try and subdue Hulk. Then Keep in mind that all their encounters were with a weaker version of Hulk the majority of the time, the savage Hulk. Now compare Thanos H2H fights with Thor and Silver Surfer where both sides landed good hits nack and forth before they lost to Thanos.

Summary: SS, Thor and Hulk fighting H2H, and H2H only meaning no energy projectiles or weapons, go at it at a good match. Then you have Thanos going H2H with these guys edging them out after awhile and trading good shots with them. Then you have Zeus, one that fought a much stronger and more experienced Hulk, WW Hulk, and man handled Hulk. Completely manhandled the strongest and most experienced Hulk, received no blows, received no damage, never got strike at, never took a real hit and walked away completely fine like he just spanked a little child.

If you still maintain your opinion then we'll just have to agree to disagree. That is all i have to say left.

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#43 Posted by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: Thanos amped his strikes just like Zeus did. No one is debating that they both amped. Zeus while amping his self beat one person who is known for strength not skill. ONE PERSON. Thanos while amping also has defeated entire armies. Thor. SS. Mantis, Champion. Drax. Terrax The Tamer etc. Thanos has defeated more skilled opponents than Zeus and many more opponents at the same time. If his feats don't convince you, then i agree, there is nothing left to say.

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#44 Posted by slimj87d (13899 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: I disagree for reasons already said.

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#45 Edited by spiderbuck1 (2767 posts) - - Show Bio

@whacknasty said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@whacknasty said:

@Nerx said:

@thanobomb1124: For me seeing superman use his feet is comic gold

Lol. I've only seen him kick once during the Death of the New Gods arc. Was strange and neat at the same time.

@BigCimmerian: I'm on the fence here... Thanos has stomped Surfer with his bare hands, and it didn't look like he put forth much effort to do so. Surfer has pushed Thor physically a few times if I remember right (which may not matter if Zeus is physically leagues above Thor? I always thought the power differences were due to magic abilities of Zeus/Odin compared to Thor...?)

[FIXED]Odin=Zeus>>>Thanos>>Silver Surfer>Thor

In pure physical strength? I guess I haven't seen Surfer flex his muscle enough to put him over Thor...lol. In theory though, yeah.

Not even in theory, imo. A wounded Thor head butted and dented Surfer's dome, indicating he was getting the better of the H2H portion of the fight. I doI believe SS would beat Thor with both going all out, but not in a pure brawl. That's Thor/Herc territory, and very few best them in that department.

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#46 Posted by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbuck: excuse me for butting in but you don't think SS can amp up to a level where he could beat Thor in a pure brawl? or are you saying something else?

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#47 Posted by whacknasty (5862 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbuck: I'm kinda iffy about that particular scene, mostly because I don't think I've ever seen Surfer dented by any attack that I can think of, and that includes fights with a lot of cosmic level characters, using both pure h2h and/or energy enhanced strikes. But I guess I can accept it as a high level feat for Thor as well.

By theoretically I meant how Surfer has the ability (on paper) to amp any of his stats to immeasurable levels through the power cosmic, which should be able to surpass Herc/Thor or any other person that can't tap into an equal amount of energy from somewhere. I don't think I've ever seen him use that ability to it's fullest though, so maybe that would be out of character for him...? lol.

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#48 Edited by spiderbuck1 (2767 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@spiderbuck: excuse me for butting in but you don't think SS can amp up to a level where he could beat Thor in a pure brawl? or are you saying something else?

Basically, yes. Surfer takes Thor in a battle, but it won't be the result of a well placed right cross. Engaging in a H2H brawl would be unwise for Surfer against top tier bricks like Hulk and Thor/Herc.

@whacknasty said:

@spiderbuck: I'm kinda iffy about that particular scene, mostly because I don't think I've ever seen Surfer dented by any attack that I can think of, and that includes fights with a lot of cosmic level characters, using both pure h2h and/or energy enhanced strikes. But I guess I can accept it as a high level feat for Thor as well.

By theoretically I meant how Surfer has the ability (on paper) to amp any of his stats to immeasurable levels through the power cosmic, which should be able to surpass Herc/Thor or any other person that can't tap into an equal amount of energy from somewhere. I don't think I've ever seen him use that ability to it's fullest though, so maybe that would be out of character for him...? lol.

My inclination is to call that a high level showing, since he's had some pretty incredible ones, it's definitely not something I would put past him. H2H is not Surfer's forte' but that's not to say he can't handle himself in a scrap either. He was going pretty well for himself in Planet Hulk, but they were using weapons.

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#49 Posted by Kinasin_ (1359 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

Zeus would smack him around

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#50 Posted by God_Spawn (41547 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D:

This version of Hulk has the best H2H experience yet after going through WWH, etc. The Hulk performs thunderclaps and has kept up with the Sentry as you know so he's not slow himself. There was absolutely nothing he could do to Zeus, the only time he made contact was with sucker punches.

No he wasn't able to keep up with Sentry. Sentry was letting him punch him over and over in the face and he didn't even bother trying to use his speed to dodge any hits. He just slugged it out at Hulk's speed, not his own.

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