Basically Lucifer and Michael both alone are rivals to LT so both combined are completely near Presence.
We know TOAA is basically the writer, but we don't know how OP and powerful the Presence is. We know since Thanos is coming to DCU, the Presenxe can amp Lucifer/Michael greatly...
Then the HOTU isn't even canon and since he is basically omnipotent, isn't this thread breaking half of a rule???
Also, I thought HOTU worked only in the Marvel world since is in the center/heart of it.
Just get Batman+Michael+Lucifer+EmperorJ+Lex+Constantine+Presence and we got this covered.
And we can't say Marvel and DC are universes... Let's call them different realities... Since no one knew each other existed until the "Brothers" awoke.
Btw, Lucy+Michy created the DC Multiverse and can destroy as soon as Thanos comes to their reality.
Michael and Lucifer lose battle two unless Thanos gives them the chance to have a conversation as he usually does, in which case Lucifer has a strong chance to outwit him.
Universal-level beings ain't gonna take down someone who beats multiversal level beings like Eternity.
They are not universal. They are multiversal themselves. It has been confirmed that Lucifer created a multiverse, but it works differently than Marvel's multiverse because well, the writer didn't imagine it working the same way.
However, i don't think we have ever seen the brothers actually work together to achieve a goal. Supposedly, they should be unbeatable.
They are not universal. They are multiversal themselves. It has been confirmed that Lucifer created a multiverse, but it works differently than Marvel's multiverse because well, the writer didn't imagine it working the same way.
The writer has actually stated that the multiverse is a one universe that sub divides into dimensions/realms, so universal.
IMO it does really work in similar way as Marvel's universes, which is also universe + dimensions/realms.
The only difference is pretty much definition of multiverse implied by the people who write them.
In Lucifer's case, the writer defined multiverse as single universe with many dimensions.
In Marvel's case, multiverse is defined as combination of many different universes.
The Multiverse is the collection of alternate dimensions with a similar nature and universal hierarchy. Earth-616, plus pretty much all of the What if? and Exiles worlds, as well as the vast bulk of the alternate Earths seen in the MU (which include a certain hierarchy of comics beings like the Watcher, Eternity, Infinity, etc) are within the same Multiverse. The myriad realms of Earth-616's Multiverse are overseen by the immensely powerful Living Tribunal. Those realms that lack this hierarchy of power are outside of the Multiverse, but within the larger Omniverse. Further, the realms with a multiverse are divided into divergent earths, who share a common history and diverge at a specific ("What If") point, and alternate Earths, who are similar, but possess many inherent differences. Multi - "many"
However, i don't think we have ever seen the brothers actually work together to achieve a goal. Supposedly, they should be unbeatable.
@lord_spectrum: Literally just semantics. If a universe has multiple dimensions that can be say, labeled as "earth 1" "earth 2" etc. Then it is a multiverse, just because the writer believes that a multiverse is one and the same universe with multiple dimensions doesn't really differentiate it from a multiverse with different universes.
Literally just semantics. If a universe has multiple dimensions that can be say, labeled as "earth 1" "earth 2" etc. Then it is a multiverse, just because the writer believes that a multiverse is one and the same universe with multiple dimensions doesn't really differentiate it from a multiverse with different universes.
The dimensions can be meant as like Neron's dimension of hell in DC Universe or 5th dimension of Mxy, or dimension of Mephisto's hell in Marvel 616, or it might actually mean the 11 dimensions of universe, those are just limited pockets of "Space".
And given that the writer already has said that Lucifer's multiverse doesn't equate into many different universes already kinda negates your statement, so saying that dimensions equate to multiverse wouldn't really be right in a sense of its true definition, since he didn't really imply that, those dimensions are simply part of that one universe.
@lord_spectrum: but writer explained that multiverse is a just single universe with realms and dimensions, which is no different than regular universe.
Yep, Michael died, the Demiurgic energies were released, Lucifer used those energies to create a universe.
On the context he actually said not just realm but totality, a multiverse.
He only explained that in Lucifer comic.(If i should say)
On the context he actually said not just realm but totality, a multiverse.
Indeed, but he explained than in his view/definition, multiverse doesn't mean many different universes.
Thus the word multiverse as we think of it, doesn't mean the same to writer's opinion, in his opinion/view/definition multiverse is a single universe that has dimensions in it.
He only explained that in Lucifer comic.(If i should say)
@matezoide2: there above it because they can beat a fully powered spectre who is more powerful than living tribunal but living tribal is more powerful than normal spectre
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