@takenstew22 said:
@sonofsparda1366 said:
@takenstew22 said:
Stats? He's not universal lol. And the only hax he consistently uses is TP.
And Frieza is? By what feats may I ask? If you're going to talk about scalling, Thanos has his fare share of it as well. Consistently manhandling herald tiers and holding his own against skyfather tiers is enough to place him somewhere around universal level as well. Note that I don't really think he can destroy a universe or even a galaxy in one attack, but in a debate against a DB character, who relies solely on scalling from other characters with one or two impressive feats, this is the only reasonable approach.
In Thanos's case, even scalling way above someone like Savage Hulk or Thor would give him universal stats, given how Hulk once has destroyed a dimension with a thunderclap and Thor has ripped the fabric of the universe and destroyed barriers between the myriad dimensions with a blast.
Except it's not. DB verse relies on its scaling and has 1 writer, Marvel has countless writers and non-linear stories. Your scaling is also flawed. Thanos doesn't scale to Thor's Godblast. Godblast is by far Thor's most powerful attack, one that has done feats even above his own paygrade, and he never used that against Thanos.
I have read countless stories involving all 3 of these characters you mentioned, they're my favorite in fact, and I can say for certain they aren't universe busters 99% of the time. People somehow just have a hard time understanding the difference between Dragon Ball scaling and comic scaling, and think that it's all DB wank and comic lowballing when that's obviously not the case. DB's power system is laughably simplified and linear. The more ki you have = the more powerful you are. Golden Frieza is equal to Super Saiyan Blue Goku, who in a previous arc in a weaker form was clashing so hard with Beerus they were gonna destroy the universe if they kept it up.
If this is just gonna be a back and fourth about "well x character has universal feats aswell" then I'm not interested. I've done that many times before and it's annoying. And heralds aren't even close to universal either. Their best feats are usually star level. I can't even think of a single universal feat for them aside from Surfer using the Crunch to beat 2 Galactus level beings which is obviously thrown out of context by many and they forget the Crunch is not apart of his powerset.
I've gotten so many comments about how I'm unfair and just lowballing comics because I don't consider anyone below Skyfather universal, when in reality I'm just being honest and logical. I can't say with absolute fairness that Hulk, Thor and Thanos at base levels are universal. We would get characters like Spider-Man to universal levels if we were doing this type of scaling to all characters, and that makes about as much sense as that one time where Krillin was able to beam clash SSB Goku. As in, not at all. I hope you understand atleast.
So, basically what you're saying is that DB characters can get a pass for scalling from one or two outlier feats that never get replicated throughout the series because they have one writer, but comics can not, because they have many? If we accept this rule, then these debates are just inherently unfair and biased towards DB.
Also, there's no way you're saying that DB universal feats are somehow more consistent than comics. Like, if comic characters don't operate at universal levels 99% of the time, then DBS characters don't operate at universal levels 99,9% of the time. Every major villain after the Battle of Gods arc should be threatening the universe with their punches, but instead they're not even causing continental level damage, despite blasting the area around them with everything they have. And don't give me that Ki control bs, I know Goku has learned it in that arc, but you know who hasn't? The absolute madman who has no control over his power and doesn't care in the slightest about collateral damage, and everyone else after him. The guy who was stated to being maybe stronger than Beerus, and who absolutely clowned on Goku's SSJG form, as well as SSJ Blue after powering up. Look at all this universal destruction he's causing fighting two of Goku's strongest forms.
I guess that ice Broly's slamming SSJG Goku into at 6:15 must be universal, seeing how it's causing universal God such pain.
As far as I'm aware, no villain after Battle of Gods arc has feats above planetary, and usually much below that. Yeah, like I don't see how these are not double standards. Either we accept that DB is universal based on one or two universal feats and ignore that they simply don't operate anywhere close to that level the rest of the time, then we should do the same for comics. Why should a guy like Frieza, whose best shown feats are planet-busting, be placed at universal level based on beating people who once threatened the universe, but Thanos, who consistently fights skyfather level opponents and holds his own, be denied it? Or we look at consistency, and then neither is universal, because they simply don't have any feats on that level, and even people who they scale to are very inconsistent in that regard. Although, if we again look at scalling, then Thanos scales to way more people with universal feats than Frieza does, so we can say that he's even more consistently universal than him.
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