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  • Victory by Death or KO
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  • Frieza starts in first form. He is allowed to change forms when it is in-character to do so. Feel free to state which form Thanos gets stopped on, if you believe he would get stopped on one, or even killing Frieza before he gets the chance to transform if you believe he's capable of it.

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Thanos gets blitzed and ass kicked as usual.

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Hmmm.

Interesting.

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#4  Edited By Zetsu-San
@altlord said:

Thanos gets blitzed and ass kicked as usual.

Meh, I tend to just assume speeds are fairly equal when it comes to comic characters. Most slow characters in marvel have feats of tagging fast ones, even if it doesn't really make sense. And we even have instances of characters who are consistently street level in speeds, being portrayed as consistently faster than characters who have shown consistent high tier speeds. Comics tend to just have an unspoken speed equalize rule, based around roles rather than feats.

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Thanos one shots. This is spite. You would need late DBZ/Pre-DBS level characters to stack up to Thanos.

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@zetsu-san: Thats Minlerdemon/Alt lord, wouldn't really bother with him lol. He'll be banned pretty soon.

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Thanos should win against this version of Frieza before he transforms.

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@jko1 said:

Thanos one shots. This is spite. You would need late DBZ/Pre-DBS level characters to stack up to Thanos.

I don't see how it's a missmatch let alone spite. Thanos has a few planet busting showings, but they aren't that common, and they are definitely "good feats" by his standards. Frieza can bust planets even in his first form.

I think it's a good matchup, since Thanos has superior stats, but Frieza has better energy projections, skill, and agility.

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@altlord said:

Thanos gets blitzed and ass kicked as usual.

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frieza win with first form he to strong

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@jko1 said:

@zetsu-san: Thats Minlerdemon/Alt lord, wouldn't really bother with him lol. He'll be banned pretty soon.

Banned due to what reason specifically? Explain.

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@altlord: you minler?

No, I'm AltLord. Bow down to an god! dont hate... come join the celebration

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@altlord said:

Thanos gets blitzed and ass kicked as usual.

Meh, I tend to just assume speeds are fairly equal when it comes to comic characters. Most slow characters in marvel have feats of tagging fast ones, even if it doesn't really make sense. And we even have instances of characters who are consistently street level in speeds, being portrayed as consistently faster than characters who have shown consistent high tier speeds. Comics tend to just have an unspoken speed equalize rule, based around roles rather than feats.

I'm not reading all that shit fam

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#15  Edited By kataraaaa

Loses to Black Frieza but he beats pretty much every other version

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@altlord said:
@zetsu-san said:
@altlord said:

Thanos gets blitzed and ass kicked as usual.

Meh, I tend to just assume speeds are fairly equal when it comes to comic characters. Most slow characters in marvel have feats of tagging fast ones, even if it doesn't really make sense. And we even have instances of characters who are consistently street level in speeds, being portrayed as consistently faster than characters who have shown consistent high tier speeds. Comics tend to just have an unspoken speed equalize rule, based around roles rather than feats.

I'm not reading all that shit fam

Sorry if 1 paragraph is too much for you. I’ll keep that low mental capacity in mind for the future.

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Loses to Black Frieza but he beats pretty much every other version

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Frieza wins in Final, Golden and Black forms

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Frieza wins in Final, Golden and Black forms

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Lmao what is this nonsense? I love DBZ but.No.frieza is beating freaking Thanos for the love of God people

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Final form DBZ frieza gets fodderized. Final form dbs frieza wins in an interesting fight. Golden frieza and black frieza fodderize. That's my opinion.

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@destinyman75: Final form DBZ frieza gets fodderized. Final form dbs frieza wins in an interesting fight. Golden frieza and black frieza fodderize. That's my opinion.

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#23 takenstew22  Moderator

DBZ Frieza loses. DBS stomps.

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Loses to Black Frieza but he beats pretty much every other version

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Thanos gets beaten

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@kataraaaa said:

Loses to Black Frieza but he beats pretty much every other version

He ain't beating Golden Frieza lol.

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An argument can be made for Thanos beating every version of Frieza. As far as I know, Frieza's strongest forms don't really have anything in the way of feats, all they have is scalling from scalling from scalling from some of their opponents' one-off impressive feat. The same can be easily applied to Thanos. Now we just need to find out who are the strongest people Frieza scales to and the strongest people Thanos scales to, and compare their best feats.

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@masterbuster666: I highly doubt even black freiza stands much of a chance. Thanos can wreck teams silver surfer one shot etc Even took on Odin. Though he had no chance ahsisnt Odin he took his links and kept coming. Also to note he's protected by Mistress Death. Haven't seen anything frieza has done to come close to what Thanos has done.

Thor silver surfer superman all give black fireza fits amd Thanos one shots those guys

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@masterbuster666 said:
@kataraaaa said:

Loses to Black Frieza but he beats pretty much every other version

He ain't beating Golden Frieza lol.

With Thanos' hax, as well as stats, naah.

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With Thanos' hax, as well as stats, naah.

Stats? He's not universal lol. And the only hax he consistently uses is TP.

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Thanos beats him all the way to Final form; pretty epic fight just imagining it. Golden frieza stomps him. Black frieza ignores his existence.

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@masterbuster666 said:

With Thanos' hax, as well as stats, naah.

Stats? He's not universal lol. And the only hax he consistently uses is TP.

And Frieza is? By what feats may I ask? If you're going to talk about scalling, Thanos has his fare share of it as well. Consistently manhandling herald tiers and holding his own against skyfather tiers is enough to place him somewhere around universal level as well. Note that I don't really think he can destroy a universe or even a galaxy in one attack, but in a debate against a DB character, who relies solely on scalling from other characters with one or two impressive feats, this is the only reasonable approach.

In Thanos's case, even scalling way above someone like Savage Hulk or Thor would give him universal stats, given how Hulk once has destroyed a dimension with a thunderclap and Thor has ripped the fabric of the universe and destroyed barriers between the myriad dimensions with a blast.

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Y’ll scaling Thanos off outlier feats from half a century ago, for completely different characters. lol

Anyone who can bust large planets should be a good matchup for Thanos imo.

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#35  Edited By Properthe1

@zetsu-san: outlier? nah

-Is stronger after Rebirth of Thanos (TPB rebirth of thanos Part 1)

-Immediately after which he no-sells Silver surfer’s full power (^part 1)

-Humiliates Power Gem enhancedChampion in a fight (Thanos Quest)

-(Pre-Annihilation Wave) Contains All within himself in order to save M-body of Eternity (Avengers Celestial Quest #8)

-Is stronger post-God Quarry. He fought and defeated King Thanos. Who one shot prepped Galactus. and survived at point blank a celestial killing blast. As well as off-screening Mistress Love, Master hate, and an M-body of the Living tribunal.

-Is growing stronger and will eventually reach the middle of the cosmic hierarchy

-Is a Universal constant (Thanos 2016, chapter 14, p4)

-Travelling through myriad realities, resisting their effects, travelling to the Nexus of reality (Thanos Quest)

-Exists outside Destiny’s influence, chaos and order have no power over him (^)

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#36  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator
@sonofsparda1366 said:
@takenstew22 said:
@masterbuster666 said:

With Thanos' hax, as well as stats, naah.

Stats? He's not universal lol. And the only hax he consistently uses is TP.

And Frieza is? By what feats may I ask? If you're going to talk about scalling, Thanos has his fare share of it as well. Consistently manhandling herald tiers and holding his own against skyfather tiers is enough to place him somewhere around universal level as well. Note that I don't really think he can destroy a universe or even a galaxy in one attack, but in a debate against a DB character, who relies solely on scalling from other characters with one or two impressive feats, this is the only reasonable approach.

In Thanos's case, even scalling way above someone like Savage Hulk or Thor would give him universal stats, given how Hulk once has destroyed a dimension with a thunderclap and Thor has ripped the fabric of the universe and destroyed barriers between the myriad dimensions with a blast.

Except it's not. DB verse relies on its scaling and has 1 writer, Marvel has countless writers and non-linear stories. Your scaling is also flawed. Thanos doesn't scale to Thor's Godblast. Godblast is by far Thor's most powerful attack, one that has done feats even above his own paygrade, and he never used that against Thanos.

I have read countless stories involving all 3 of these characters you mentioned, they're my favorite in fact, and I can say for certain they aren't universe busters 99% of the time. People somehow just have a hard time understanding the difference between Dragon Ball scaling and comic scaling, and think that it's all DB wank and comic lowballing when that's obviously not the case. DB's power system is laughably simplified and linear. The more ki you have = the more powerful you are. Golden Frieza is equal to Super Saiyan Blue Goku, who in a previous arc in a weaker form was clashing so hard with Beerus they were gonna destroy the universe if they kept it up.

If this is just gonna be a back and fourth about "well x character has universal feats aswell" then I'm not interested. I've done that many times before and it's annoying. And heralds aren't even close to universal either. Their best feats are usually star level. I can't even think of a single universal feat for them aside from Surfer using the Crunch to beat 2 Galactus level beings which is obviously thrown out of context by many and they forget the Crunch is not apart of his powerset.

I've gotten so many comments about how I'm unfair and just lowballing comics because I don't consider anyone below Skyfather universal, when in reality I'm just being honest and logical. I can't say with absolute fairness that Hulk, Thor and Thanos at base levels are universal. We would get characters like Spider-Man to universal levels if we were doing this type of scaling to all characters, and that makes about as much sense as that one time where Krillin was able to beam clash SSB Goku. As in, not at all. I hope you understand atleast.

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@takenstew22:

I've gotten so many comments about how I'm unfair and just lowballing comics because I don't consider anyone below Skyfather universal, when in reality I'm just being honest and logical.

To add to this, I’d say it’s not all that uncommon for superheroes to have special dormant powers that are well beyond the tier they normally operate at.

There’s a number of characters in both marvel and DC that are clearly ”universal” by actual story implications, but just don’t know how to tap into all that in under normal circumstances. Some of them are even mid tier or even downright street level as their base.

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Also, if people want to dismiss all contextual scaling for both sides and go purely by visual quantifiability, I think that actually just makes things really lopsided against comics, but whatever.

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#39  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator
@zetsu-san said:

@takenstew22:

I've gotten so many comments about how I'm unfair and just lowballing comics because I don't consider anyone below Skyfather universal, when in reality I'm just being honest and logical.

To add to this, I’d say it’s not all that uncommon for superheroes to have special dormant powers that are well beyond the tier they normally operate at.

There’s a number of characters in both marvel and DC that are clearly ”universal” by actual story implications, but just don’t know how to tap into all that in under normal circumstances. Some of them are even mid tier or even downright street level as their base.

You're not wrong. Glass cannons like Strange and Wanda come to mind. Marvel and DC's roster of heroes and villains are more dynamic and full of different abilities and aren't all just "this guy is definitely more powerful than this other guy".

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Final form DBZ frieza gets fodderized. Final form dbs frieza wins in an interesting fight. Golden frieza and black frieza fodderize. That's my opinion.

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#44  Edited By SonOfSparda1366
@takenstew22 said:
@sonofsparda1366 said:
@takenstew22 said:
@masterbuster666 said:

With Thanos' hax, as well as stats, naah.

Stats? He's not universal lol. And the only hax he consistently uses is TP.

And Frieza is? By what feats may I ask? If you're going to talk about scalling, Thanos has his fare share of it as well. Consistently manhandling herald tiers and holding his own against skyfather tiers is enough to place him somewhere around universal level as well. Note that I don't really think he can destroy a universe or even a galaxy in one attack, but in a debate against a DB character, who relies solely on scalling from other characters with one or two impressive feats, this is the only reasonable approach.

In Thanos's case, even scalling way above someone like Savage Hulk or Thor would give him universal stats, given how Hulk once has destroyed a dimension with a thunderclap and Thor has ripped the fabric of the universe and destroyed barriers between the myriad dimensions with a blast.

Except it's not. DB verse relies on its scaling and has 1 writer, Marvel has countless writers and non-linear stories. Your scaling is also flawed. Thanos doesn't scale to Thor's Godblast. Godblast is by far Thor's most powerful attack, one that has done feats even above his own paygrade, and he never used that against Thanos.

I have read countless stories involving all 3 of these characters you mentioned, they're my favorite in fact, and I can say for certain they aren't universe busters 99% of the time. People somehow just have a hard time understanding the difference between Dragon Ball scaling and comic scaling, and think that it's all DB wank and comic lowballing when that's obviously not the case. DB's power system is laughably simplified and linear. The more ki you have = the more powerful you are. Golden Frieza is equal to Super Saiyan Blue Goku, who in a previous arc in a weaker form was clashing so hard with Beerus they were gonna destroy the universe if they kept it up.

If this is just gonna be a back and fourth about "well x character has universal feats aswell" then I'm not interested. I've done that many times before and it's annoying. And heralds aren't even close to universal either. Their best feats are usually star level. I can't even think of a single universal feat for them aside from Surfer using the Crunch to beat 2 Galactus level beings which is obviously thrown out of context by many and they forget the Crunch is not apart of his powerset.

I've gotten so many comments about how I'm unfair and just lowballing comics because I don't consider anyone below Skyfather universal, when in reality I'm just being honest and logical. I can't say with absolute fairness that Hulk, Thor and Thanos at base levels are universal. We would get characters like Spider-Man to universal levels if we were doing this type of scaling to all characters, and that makes about as much sense as that one time where Krillin was able to beam clash SSB Goku. As in, not at all. I hope you understand atleast.

So, basically what you're saying is that DB characters can get a pass for scalling from one or two outlier feats that never get replicated throughout the series because they have one writer, but comics can not, because they have many? If we accept this rule, then these debates are just inherently unfair and biased towards DB.

Also, there's no way you're saying that DB universal feats are somehow more consistent than comics. Like, if comic characters don't operate at universal levels 99% of the time, then DBS characters don't operate at universal levels 99,9% of the time. Every major villain after the Battle of Gods arc should be threatening the universe with their punches, but instead they're not even causing continental level damage, despite blasting the area around them with everything they have. And don't give me that Ki control bs, I know Goku has learned it in that arc, but you know who hasn't? The absolute madman who has no control over his power and doesn't care in the slightest about collateral damage, and everyone else after him. The guy who was stated to being maybe stronger than Beerus, and who absolutely clowned on Goku's SSJG form, as well as SSJ Blue after powering up. Look at all this universal destruction he's causing fighting two of Goku's strongest forms.

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I guess that ice Broly's slamming SSJG Goku into at 6:15 must be universal, seeing how it's causing universal God such pain.

As far as I'm aware, no villain after Battle of Gods arc has feats above planetary, and usually much below that. Yeah, like I don't see how these are not double standards. Either we accept that DB is universal based on one or two universal feats and ignore that they simply don't operate anywhere close to that level the rest of the time, then we should do the same for comics. Why should a guy like Frieza, whose best shown feats are planet-busting, be placed at universal level based on beating people who once threatened the universe, but Thanos, who consistently fights skyfather level opponents and holds his own, be denied it? Or we look at consistency, and then neither is universal, because they simply don't have any feats on that level, and even people who they scale to are very inconsistent in that regard. Although, if we again look at scalling, then Thanos scales to way more people with universal feats than Frieza does, so we can say that he's even more consistently universal than him.

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@demongod5 said:

Final form DBZ frieza gets fodderized. Final form dbs frieza wins in an interesting fight. Golden frieza and black frieza fodderize. That's my opinion.

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Lmao what is this nonsense? I love DBZ but.No.frieza is beating freaking Thanos for the love of God people

Did you mean to say that Thanos beats all forms of Frieza or that Thanos doesn't beat any form?

Cause he definitely beats Frieza from DBZ.

Super he beats base but lose to the rest.

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Death Beam.

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It's debatable whether or not DBZ Frieza could win, but Golden would win - and Black would annihilate him.

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#49  Edited By SonOfSparda1366

Btw, has any version of Frieza shown resistance to TP? If not this would make the whole stat debate rather pointless, since Thanos just mindrapes Frieza and makes him his herald, like he did with the Fallen One.

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