@the creator said:
Geez, you ever heard of paragraphs?
You do have some good points. Hulk only bracing the mountain range is clearly stated. Then again, I think an entire mountain range could easily weigh more than that, so it could refer to the amount he's bracing. It's also not really Hulk's most outrageous feat. The most ridiculous would be him smashing an asteroid twice the size of earth (frankly, that whole issue should just be non-canon, IMO). Worldbreaker destroyed a planet, but then I don't think Worldbreaker fought Thor or SS.
The Midgard Serpent does not scale well from image to image. But then, neither do planets or other large objects, really. The moon Superman once smashed, for example, if you actually look at it, would be what, a couple dozen feet across? In the arc where Thor lifted the Serpent, it may not have had a consistent scale, but it was clearly intended to be encircling the whole earth. It's total mass would depend on its density, but even a lower limit I think would be quite a lot.
You're right about Hercules too, of course. Holding the sky worked in the ancient myths because they actually thought of it as a physical object. Nowadays we know it isn't, so it just doesn't make sense anymore.
The first big problem here is the planet pulling one. DC fans always like to take the very simple approach that pulling strength = hitting strength, probably because this feat gives a huge number that isn't readily duplicated by Marvel, since I don't think any of Marvel's heroes have actually pushed the earth out of orbit.
However, like I said, this is a really overly simplistic approach to things. Lifting power and hitting power or destructive power are not the same. If they were, then the most powerful strikers in the world would be bodybuilders and strongmen instead of boxers. Likewise, there's a reason boxers, UFC fighters, and traditional martial artists are typically not built at all like bodybuilders and most of them don't engage in extensive weightlifting (except maybe the MMA guys who focus mainly on grappling).
Really, all moving the planet technically proves is that Superman can move huge amounts of weight. This might suggest that he can hit really hard (which he obviously can), but there is no reason at all to believe it is a 1:1 correlation, and moreover, given his long history, there's no reason at all to believe it is a 1:1 correlation if we've never actually seen him hit that hard.
In a battle context, confirmed hitting power or destructive power are actually a lot more relevant than lifting power. To the best of my knowledge, Superman destroying a small moon off Saturn and the Shadow Moon are his best destructive feats. The former doesn't mean that much, because most of Saturn's moons are very small (less than 10 km across; quite a few are less than 1 km across), and the latter knocked him out and seemed to be about the limit of the force he could generate. They also both required flying rams, so it's not like a standard punch thrown by him from a standing position is going to hit that hard.
On the other hand, Silver Surfer actually destroyed a planet as a side effect of fighting Morg. Thanos destroyed a planet as a side effect of fighting Drax. Worldbreaker Hulk destroyed a planet as a side effect of fighting Red She-Hulk. Gladiator has destroyed a planet by punching it repeatedly. I believe Beta Ray Bill has destroyed a planet as well, though I forget the specifics. So all of these guys are confirmed in the planet-buster range, and Thor is also in there by extension (especially because of Bill, who is obviously a carbon copy). That's actually better than Superman. Maybe they'd lose an arm-wrestling contest, but when it actually comes to blowing stuff up, they do just fine.
Yes the Silver Surfer has flown through stars. Does that matter here.....no because Capt Marvel and Black Adam dont employ fire or heat attacks.
The core of a star has a little more going on than just heat. The pressure is absurdly high (a bit over 1.5 billion tons per square inch), for one. That's actually going to be a lot more comparable to a punch than the heat is.
Remember feats that can be quantified act as evidence. Wishful thinking does not. Thor has been shown to need help lifting Asgard (he got Beta Ray Bill to help him). When we look at a character, look at all their feats, not just isolated ones.
Eh? Superman and Wonder Woman have never had a hard time lifting something miniscule compared to the earth? I'm kind of doubtful. I know for sure Orion has, and he's supposed to be up in their league as well. You're quick to point out an inconsistency in Thor's strength, but it's not like Superman pushing planets around is an everyday occurrence for him.
Simple fact is all comic characters who ever operate anywhere near planetary level are full of inconsistencies. The writers just aren't able to properly scale those kinds of feats.
Finally for someone to say that Thanos is stronger than them and more durable and that the pair of DC characters are not speedsters is poor debating. Where is the proof that Thanos is stronger or more durable (to physical blows).
I agree that CM and BA are speedsters on par with Superman, and I'm not sure why this would be questioned (well, except I have seen someone present proof of BA having a hard time with, or even flat out losing to, Jay Garrick on more than one occasion, and I'm not sure that would happen to Superman). Why do you put "physical blows" in parentheses? Is there actual evidence that it is some sort of weakness of his? I'm pretty sure there is not, otherwise one of his enemies would have noticed by now and tried to use that against him. He took multiple shots from a Warrior Madness, Power Gem enhanced Thor and was smiling. He took hits from Classic Drax even before his upgrades from Mistress Death. BRB is a confirmed planet buster, so that should go to Thor as well, and Warrior Madness Thor is both amped and bloodlusted.
Let's see Thanos lifting a small moon by himself or withstanding blows from a being that strong.
Show these guys destroying a planet, or harming someone who's confirmed to tank planet-busting attacks. Seriously, the "strength" argument you're using is almost exactly like claiming that a body builder will beat a pro-boxer because he can lift more weight. It actually isn't going to help him at all.
And Capt Marvel and Black Adam may not start a fight at super speed but they can move up their speed just like Superman or Wonder Woman. They have shown several super speed activities, like the example of Black Adam moving at Mach 500. If Thanos can accomplish activities at this speed, let's see them.
I know he was capable of reacting to Ganymede, who fights at high speed, but I don't know if it was ever confirmed by how much. I believe he has dodged or deflected Mjolnir after Thor has thrown it as well, and Mjolnir is capable of traveling FTL at its best, but I'd have to double check that.
I do not believe Thanos is actually as fast as CM or BA, but I think he is faster than people give him credit for.
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