Thanos and Darkseid vs Team Superman

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#1  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator

Hey guys. I'm new to CV, but I've been reading the many debates throughout the forum and I thought I might chime in because it looks fun. I thought I'd start with one of my favourite villains vs. one of my favourite heroes. This is my first thread so this fight might get sloppy, so just tell me if there is anything wrong and I'll change the rules or remove/add some characters to make it even.

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Thanos (Standard 616)

Darkseid (Post-Crisis)

VS.

Superman (Post-Crisis)

Orion (Post-Crisis)

Thor (Standard 616)

Beta Ray Bill (Standard 616)

Silver Surfer (Standard 616)

Hulk (World Breaker)

Sentry (Standard 616)

Drax the Destroyer (Classic)

Captain Mar-Vell (Classic)

Shazam (Post-Crisis)

Location

Apokolips

Rules

- Standard Equipment

- All are bloodlusted

- Win by death or KO, no BFR

- Team 2 has 1 hour of prep

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I might actually give this to the team, assuming we are talking about a standard Darkseid (avatar). Both Orion and Superman have given trouble to Darkseid individually and could probably take him as a team. The Marvel heroes can most definitely take care of Thanos with one hour of prep, Thor's God-Blast being the MVP.

Team Superman 8/10

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#4 takenstew22  Moderator

assuming we are talking about a standard Darkseid (avatar).

Yes, we are.

Anyone wanna back up Thanos and seid? I know there are alot of Thanos supporters here including me. ;)

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#5  Edited By Chad_Duby

Team 1 stomps.

Thor = complete fodder.

Bill = complete fodder.

Surfer = complete fodder.

Hulk = almost a complete fodder.

Superman = useful due to his speed.

Sentry = MVP.

Orion = I can’t say.

This is Thanos and Darkseid vs Superman(who is not really damaging any of them), Orion who is still being doubted if there will be any use of him, WB Hulk who will get vaporized forever and Sentry our MVP(for losers) so Thanos and Darkseid win.

1 hour of preparation is not enough. It has to be 1 day at least.

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#6  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator
@chad_duby said:

Thor = complete fodder.

Bill = complete fodder.

Surfer = complete fodder.

Hulk = almost a complete fodder.

Wait, what? I know WBH is powerful, but how is he a little bit higher than SS? And I honestly think Thor and BRB are more useful due to their versatility.

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#7  Edited By Chad_Duby

@takenstew22: Because he has shown feats Surfer would need to dream to have them in his accomplishment. Their versatilities are completely useless here, as their only way to utilize them is to command their hammers to take them away from the battle and hope that Thanos(or Darkseid) wouldn’t come to hunt them.

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Besides Orion being a counter to Darkseid (sometimes) I don’t really see this team putting down the Duo.

Thanos can act as the tank while Darkseid picks of the members of the team one by one with OB. The only one would realistically prevent Darkseid from doing this Would be Orion and the AstroForce.

In short I’d give it to the Duo most likely

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#9 takenstew22  Moderator

Anyone else? I might think of adding more characters to team 2.

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duo stomps

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Thanos heavily carries. Most of the team is fodder to him regardless

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#12 takenstew22  Moderator

I added Classic Drax and Mar-Vell.

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Thanos is carrying heavily. Characters like thor and bill can cause him some pain but I doubt it will do anything substantial considering that always how it goes down anyways. Classic mar-bell adds very little, and classic drax is in the same boat as thor (unless he has some thanos killing aura like his current does). I'm not sure what would mean prep for this team though, such as thor just grabbing a bunch of asgaurdian relics or somthing. So I'm not entirely sure on winner.

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Thanoseid slaps

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I think team wins. Sentry really helps.

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Duo but Thor and Bill are definitely not fodder

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@takenstew22: you shouldn't add characters in the same battle (unless it's a mismatch) because it makes the initial comments look confusing.

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On topic, Thanos and Darkseid. Thanos carries heavily

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I don't know how they take down Thanos but team 2 has a big chance of winning if Thanos doesn't bfr a few

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I think team wins with very high difficulty.

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Thanos potentially solos.

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@nitelite: Thanos solos so many people without bfr? No chance, WBH would give him trouble alone

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Darkseid solos. Not sure about Thanos.

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Darkseid is not soloing, lmao.

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I'll back the team

These guys are strong but they have never faced a team of this caliber simultaneously

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@king-ragnar: Only threat to him is a bloodlusted Orion tbh.

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I like the Superman team to win.

Gets closer (for the community in doubt) if you add Adam Warlock to the mix.

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#30 takenstew22  Moderator

@g_race said:

I like the Superman team to win.

Gets closer (for the community in doubt) if you add Adam Warlock to the mix.

I was actually thinking of that. Adam Warlock is a big factor though since he knows alot about Thanos.

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Updated?

Team 1 still stomps because the combat takes place on Darkseid’s planet.

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Anyone on, below or slightly above surfer’s level is automatically fodder. Drax is fodder to Thanos ignoring PIS.

Darkseid isn’t solo’ing shii, Superman and Orion keep him company while Thanos cleans house.

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#33 takenstew22  Moderator

I added Shazam. That's about it for now because I don't wanna keep adding all these other characters just to overpower Than and seid. That and APEX's advice. I'll see what other people think of the outcome.

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@takenstew22: When you say Shazam I'm guessing you mean Billy rather than the actual Wizard so he's basically useless, he doesn't add anything here

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#35 takenstew22  Moderator

@takenstew22: When you say Shazam I'm guessing you mean Billy rather than the actual Wizard so he's basically useless, he doesn't add anything here

Yeah I mean Billy. He may only be Superman level but he still stacks up the team a little bit.

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said:

Hey guys. I'm new to CV, but I've been reading the many debates throughout the forum and I thought I might chime in because it looks fun. I thought I'd start with one of my favourite villains vs. one of my favourite heroes. This is my first thread so this fight might get sloppy, so just tell me if there is anything wrong and I'll change the rules or remove/add some characters to make it even.

Characters

Thanos (Standard 616)

Darkseid (Post-Crisis)

VS.

Superman (Post-Crisis) Garbage, can’t do shit and will die in one hit.

Orion (Post-Crisis) Dies.

Thor (Standard 616) Garbage, can’t do shit and will die in one hit.

Beta Ray Bill (Standard 616) Garbage, can’t do shit and will die in one hit.

Silver Surfer (Standard 616) Garbage, can’t do shit and will die in one hit.

Hulk (World Breaker) Is not entirely a rubbish but not any useful.

Sentry (Standard 616) Garbage, can’t do shit and will die in one hit.

Drax the Destroyer (Classic) Might play some trick that will benefit the team. But if we assume that Thanos is currently much more powerful than his classic version used to be then he is garbage and will die in one hit.

Captain Mar-Vell (Classic) Garbage, can’t do shit and will die in one hit.

Shazam (Post-Crisis) Garbabe, can’t do shit and will die in one strike just like many others.

Location

Apokolips

Will definitely benefit Darkseid and make this more of a stomp.

Rules

- Standard Equipment

- All are bloodlusted

- Win by death or KO, no BFR

- Team 2 has 1 hour of prep

Team 2 gets curbed.

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Darkseid has home field advantage huh? Interesting...

Regardless, Orion & the Hammer Bros beat down Darkseid, Superman & the rest overwhelm Thanos.

Team 2 wins, mid-diff.

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#38  Edited By ThEBeStOfTheBeST

Team 1, with low mid difficulty. Alright, let's begin with Thanos:

  • He has already humiliated Surfer, nearly killed him while holding back.
  • He completely bullied the cancerverse version of Captain Mar-Vell who's more powerful than his 616 counterpart.
  • He one-shotted classic Drax with a single blow, destroying the planet on which they were fighting as collateral damage. Keep in mind this was pre-resurrection Thanos, so he was much weaker back then than he is now.

Honestly I could make a case for Thanos soloing your list of high tiers all by himself. As for Darkseid, he does have some nice hax and has taken on the Justice league before and individuals capable of stomping the likes of Superman-level beings such as Orion. With that said, he can take a few of them down assuming he isn't jobbing whilst Thanos serves the big guns (referring to Surfer, Mar-Vell and the Hulk) up a massive bowl of cosmic butt whopping. However, Superman's speed and Hulk's damage out may be somewhat problematic, but neither really has the necessary means to inflict some serious damage on Thanos, meaning they'd bite the dust eventually.

Team one, 7.5-8/10.

Side note: Shazam and Sentry are non factors.

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Team 2

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@captainsweatpan: Thanos has humiliated Surfer and has beaten up the Avengers as well.He one shotted Classic Drax which IIRC was pre resurrection Thanos,who was much weaker than his current form.Post 38 addresses this pretty well.

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Apokolips

"Darkseid's fiery horrible planet of Apokolips is a technological powerhouse. The planet itself, along with New Genesis, is absolutely massive. So big that earth would barely displace water in a small lake in New Genesis. They also exist outsideof the universe, only accessable by boom tube or other means of teleportation. In addition to that, their tech is incredible in scale and so are their wars. They conquer solar systems and nearby planets as basic command points. Apokolips has:

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@nitelite: show me Thanos one shotting classic drax and show me Thanos beating a team with so many herald level characters at once including someone at the level if WBH, the closest he's gone is stomping the annihilators and even then he only ended up beating two in and physical confrontation

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@supremthor69: Darkseid cannot get outside help in this fight. He only has his standard equipment and abilities, Thanos' help, and his knowledge of the Apokolips "battlefield".

@nitelite: show me Thanos one shotting classic drax

He kinda one-shotted him here.

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@takenstew22: was that still star level drax? And what about the rest of my post?

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Team 2.

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#49  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator

@captainsweatpan said:

was that still star level drax?

I think so.

@captainsweatpan said:

And what about the rest of my post?

As for beating many herald tier characters, I still think beating the Annihilators is the best one. That and maybe his many fights against the Avengers.

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Team wins with the prep time, honestly.