Teen Team vs The Incredibles

@hoopla001:

“When he was fighting the other omnidroids?”

how did you get 50 kilotons from that though? how are you quantifying the increase. Hyper shocks blast are only 15 kilotons

”Mark can fly.”

so? It’s still marks strength/energy that’s stopping It, putting him far above mr incredible. In strength and durability.

“That makes no sense at all the only way you could get 60 megatons is if the meteor was already entering earth's atmosphere which it did not. The moment it started entering the atmosphere mark had already stopped it. It literally had no time to reach re entry speed. You can't scale megatons to lifting strength so no, mark is still physically inferior. How much did you calculate the meter to weigh? I don't think it's half as heavy as 35k tons.”

ok. Here’s the thing by the time it entered the atmosphere it would be slowing down compared to when it was in space. It being in the atmosphere would decrease the kinetic energy of the meteor.

re-entry speeds has nothing to do with it. it’s about the speed it was moving towards earth with on screen Which is far above the speed of re-entry
when I say strength, I’m talking about attack potency. how Hard they can hit and how hard of a hit they can tank. Which is also more important than pure lifting strength. Because it’s the thing thats gonna knock an opponent out.

in terms of lifting strength this person has calculated mark to be able to lift and toss 45 thousand tons Mark lifting strength

“Ok. Bob destroys the others then gets through eve's shields with 3 punches”

he’s gonna need more than three, way more because mark was unharmed by his bullrush and her shield can take multiple blast of the weapon that knocked the wind out of mark. By the time he manages to break through her shield, if he’s able to. he’ll just be getting suffocate by another construct he can’t break. Or getting blasted by robot. if his attack potency is only 50 kilotons or potentially even less. He would need to hit 40 times all at the same level. Which he hasn’t show to be able to do.

“They're not tagging the incredibles even if they tried. Bob folds up robot and the others then turns his attention to eve.”

the Speed difference isn’t enough to the point where they won’t get tagged in close range. And once they do they’re getting one shotted

@hoopla001:

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”You do know the way characters fly is by literally generating thrust from nothing right?”

that changes literally nothing. It’s still marks strength and energy that’s absorbing the kinetic energy of the meteor. It takes stamina to fly, it’s part of force and energy make produces in physical activity it’s not disconected from him.

“What?! It was moving at the pace of someone floating in space which isn't even 1/4 as fast as meteors in the atmosphere.”

Did you see how far it was and how close it got to earth in a few seconds? its moving much faster than your giving it credit for.

"when I say strength, I’m talking about attack potency. how Hard they can hit and how hard of a hit they can tank. Which is also more important than pure lifting strength. Because it’s the thing thats gonna knock an opponent out."

Yes. Strength no one on this team has to even scratch Bob.

are you even reading my post. both robot and eve scale to mark. robots laser is strong enough to harm someone who absolutely bodied invincible. invincible can take and produce 60 megatons with of energy a that point in the series. robots laser scales to invincible and it’s one shooting bob when it hits

“Early mark is not impressive the best you've shown is him tanking getting hit with punches that crack a mountain punches that left him a bloody mess. Which you said is 79 kilotons or smth like that.”

you’ve got to follow the scaling chain properly. that’s not the best I’ve shown. That’s literally the bare minimum. early mark can tank and produce, 1.99 megatons worth of energy far higher than anyome on the incredibles team in the strength/power department. even that 79 kilotons is above what bob has ever shown in the incredibles.

“Pretty sure he can choose to hold the shields up of shatter them immediately. violet proceeds to actually trap eve who doesn't have the ap to break out of violets shield.”

he could try to hold the shield up. but then eve Could just trap his head in a bubble just as durable as her shields and cut off his oxygen.

“Yes it is.”

it isnt, the teen team have definitely with living electric before and performed fine.

“And how are they one shotting anyone? Eve can't one shot Bob robot can't, the other are fodder that violet and elasticity could deal with. Bob crushes robot and avoids his attack. Again he has dodged lightning not to mention lasers from the omnidroids, none of their attacks are as fast as lightning. Eve tries to trap Bob and violet or dash distracts her.”

eve can fly. And make multiple shields that are just as strong as each other. dash and violet could not get to her. And bob just suffocates. Than she takes out the rest.
he dodged them with a significant distance. In close range while being distracted by other opponents he can definitely be hit. and when he gets hit bob is getting one shotted.

@hoopla001:

“It's not even taking Bob down in dozens of hits lol hurting battle beast is not impressive. You have shown nothing on the level of mark being able to generate 60 megatons you showed him pushing back a very slow meteor.”

lol. You have shown nothing from bob that would even put him anywhere close to a megaton let alone 60. mark pushitn back a meteor that covers hundreds of kilometers in a minute or less. takes 60 megatons of tnt

“That does not scale to his AP. The best you've shown is 2 megatons which is something Bob can tank. Robot can't tag Bob and if he tries Bob shakes it off then proceeds to one shot.”

when has bob ever shown he can tank 2 megatons? You do realize that a kiloton is much less than a megaton right? Prove bob can tank a megaton. Because right now robot is one shotting him. because bob is only in the kiloton rang.

"you’ve got to follow the scaling chain properly. that’s not the best I’ve shown. That’s literally the bare minimum. early mark can tank and produce, 1.99 megatons worth of energy far higher than anyome on the incredibles team in the strength/power department. even that 79 kilotons is above what bob has ever shown in the incredibles"

Mark's AP earlier on was 2 megatons as you're saying, that does not scale to his durability. 79 kiltons is the best you gave for his durability.

his ap scale to his durability if it didn’t he would kill himself or break his bones like deku.

“Bob can generate 79 kilotons of tnt. He's more powerful than hypershock by a mile. Hypershock can already casually generate 16 kilotons of tnt and the omnidroids Bob tanked hits from were literally 3 versions more powerful than the one that killed hypershock.

If we assume at the very least that each omnidroid is 5 times more powerful than the last Bob tanking attacks from the final Omnidroid would be worth 10 megatons of tnt.”

why would we assume that? thats basically wank. There is no established multiplier for how much stronger each one is than the last. all we know is that bob is vaguely stronger than 15 kilotons. I don’t know where your getting a 5 times multiplier from. And how do you know the bob Can even produce that much power? It’s established in the movie that bob does not scale to any model above 8. he got easily overpowered by 9 and needed to team up against The 10th one and couldn’t overcome its durability, he had to make it kill itself proving bob also does not scale to its ap. Or he could have killed it by himself.

“No one is scratching him. Robot can hurt him but he can't even tag Bob who has dodged lightning and lasers.”

The only person that needs to hurt him is robot. and he’s ones shotting when the laser hits. Eve constructs are too hard for him to break. eve can suffocate him.

“He shatters it.”

he can’t, bob doesn’t even have the feats or scaling necessary to say he can generate 79 kilotons of energy let alone a megaton.

"“And the incredibles can dodge lightning and lasers. They still can't tag them.”

they can tag them. They were able to tag living electricity tbey can definitely tag the incredibles

“Lol why? She can't even see dash coming and she can't be fighting Bob and somehow not be vulnerable to attacks.”

I’ve already said She can make multiple shields and she can fly. dash can’t get to her when she’s in the air and violet can’t break her shields.

“No one's standing there watching eve fight Bob alone. “

Again, in the air they couldn’t get to her even if they tried. she’s a flying fighter she doesn’t have to be on the ground

“Who here has the power to distract Bob?? Only robot can hurt him and Bob can avoid his attacks then proceeds to one shot him then he joins the others in fighting eve and snaps her.”

bob can’t break through her shields and he’s getting suffocated. That’s more than enough of a distraction for robot to one shot. even duplicate can provide a decent distraction theres so many of her that she can distract multiple members of the incredibles at the same time.

“You've literally not told me any impressive thing they've done

Robot hurts battle beast

Eve shields can tank attacks that hurt mark.

Thats literally all you've been harping on.”

yea, because that all they need. That’s why i‘ve mentioned marks feats. robot has the attack potency to hurt opponents more powerful than mark.

ap scales to durability, because of newtons third law. early mark durability’s is at least 2 megatons.

the mark that fought battle beat durability is at least 60 megatons from absorbing all the kinetic energy of the meteor. and overpowering it.

@hoopla001: “the meteor you showed wasn't moving dozens of kilometers a second! Not even close.”

it clearly was, look how far away it was from the earth and how close it got to earth in that short of a time frame. not my problem you can’t accept on screen evidence

"The last one is powerful enough to kill heroes that bests its previous version. That's not wank. That's a you being ignorant problem.”

ok. it’s a vague amount stronger but you assuming it gets 5 times stronger each time is wank, and baseless. And doesn’t scale to mr incredible at all. Because he doesn’t penetrate it’s shell, ever, under his own power.

“He was caught off guard, they never really fought lol. He literally physically overpowered and ragdolled version 10 which is a heavily modified version of 9 and was taking its attack not problem.”

so? lol he ragdolled 8 as well. But was unable to actually ever penetrate it. His ap does not scale to its durability or it’s ap since it could penetrate itself. Him taking a smack does not scale him to the omnidroids ap or durability, the movie goes out of its way to show it too durable for Bob.

“What the movie established is that he's still physically stronger and tank its hits, casually too. This thing hits harder than hypershock by a lot. No one here has the output to one shot.”

sure, it hits harder than hypershock, but it also hits harder than mr incredible by a lot. Considering it could actually penetrate its own defenses and bob couldn’t dent it. bob himself states nothing is powerful enough to penetrate it but itself. And he‘s punched it before so he knows how hard it is. And robot has the power to one shot because his laser can harm battle-beast who’s stronger and more durable than mark. and mark is more durable than mr.incredible by a lot.

“He literally never go the chance to throw hands, the first time he hit it hard enough to crater the street and second time when he was overpowering it the thing grabbed him and threw him away.”

Bob states himself the only thing strong enough to penetrate it, is itself. The movie disagrees with you theres a reason they had to defeat it by making it kill itself. and he had multiple chances to throw hands. He’s punched it several times.

“Robot can infact not one shot because you cannot quantity hurting battle beast. It doesn't take energy jn the megaton range to hurt mark, we've seen that with the reanimen and the flaxan general. You're making it seem like it takes attacks in the megaton range to hurt mark when it also takes far less.”

Lol, are you serious right now I’ve literally already quantified hurting battle beast. it’s over 60 megatons, Since he’s more powerful than mark.

prove that mark can be hurt by less while at full power. because mark is unhurt by his own attack potency. anybody can that can hurt him just scales up. The 79 kilotons you keep bringing up, which is better than the best feat in incredibles mind you. happened after mark was already beaten to point of exhaustion and he still got back up for more.

“Eve shields get broken.”

bob literally does Not have the power to break her shields. his best scaling is 15 kilotons. You can’t just start assuming he’s over 600 times more powerful than the greatest feat in the series. When he’s not even actually able to break through the Omnidroids shell, Even the version 8. That’s pure wank.

he can’t, bob doesn’t even have the feats or scaling necessary to say he can generate 79 kilotons of energy

“He a hundred percent does.”

he doesn’t, you’re made up multiplier does not apply here.

“Violet can trap her in her own shields when eve's in a shield.”

Wont do anything to her, eve can just manipulate the shield to break out. or just make violet suffocate while she’s trying to trap her.

“elastgirl can reach her. So can violet.”

They don’t have the power to do anything and would just get there oxygen taken away.

"Are you seriously trying to apply irl physics to fictional characters?? That's nonsensical.”

you can’t be serious right now, fine if you don’t wanna accept this pretty basic Concept. Than mark still scales to his ap. Because Allen is just as strong as he is and he takes punches from Allen. Also he takes multiple hits from battle beast another character who’s stronger than he is. Battle beast is literally shown over powering mark.

there, now it’s undeniable that marks ap scales to his durabilty.

@hoopla001:

“There was no way to know how far it was from earth lol. I'm definitely not accepting it.”

lmao, you can definitely find out how far it is. Just by comparing how earth looks in invincible to google earth. or by ang sizing itS both would give you the distance of hundreds of kilometers

"so? lol he ragdolled 8 as well. But was unable to actually ever penetrate it. His ap does not scale to its durability or it’s ap since it could penetrate itself. Him taking a smack does not scale him to the omnidroids ap or durability, the movie goes out of its way to show it too durable for Bob."

“The movie also goes out of it's way to show Bob is too durable for it to put down. Bob was tanking every single hit. He's more durable than the droid's ap which should be in the megaton range.”

no it does not. Because Bob was only tanked little slaps and it falling on him. he didn’t tank the attacks that penetrated it’s shell. bob does not scale to the omnidroid ap. He does not have megaton durability.

“Mark is not more durable than Bob who tanked hits from the final droid.”

good for bob I guess. However tanking some slaps from the final omnidroid. Is not enough to say he’s more durable than mark.who has megaton durability at his weakest. which is better than anything in the incredibles. because your multipliers are invalid. they are never stated in the story, and we have no idea how those other fights went down. omnidoroids slaps have nothing to show they scale to megatons.

“That makes no sense at all! you're trying to quantify Mark's Striking power to him stopping a meteor by pushing it. That's not possible lmao”

use your common sense. the force/ energy he user to stop the meteor caN easily be applied on a person to knock them out. if you get pushed into wall it’s gonna hurt. I’m not saying he punches that hard just that he can hit that hard.

"bob literally does Not have the power to break her shields. his best scaling is 15 kilotons. You can’t just start assuming he’s over 600 times more powerful than the greatest feat in the series. When he’s not even actually able to break through the Omnidroids shell, Even the version 8. That’s pure wank."

“Eve's shields have no feats of their own. Why are you scaling her shields to the droid? And why would it take 15 kilotons x600 to get through her shields?”

no, you saying bob has 10 megatons of ap and durability would make him over 600 times stronger than hypershock. and that all comes from a multiplet with some random number you used to exponentially increase bobs power. Eve Scales to marks durability. Bob would need to hit over a hundred times harder than hypershock and do it multiple times before he could break through. Bob can not do that because he has no feats showing he can. his only scaling is being vaguely stronger than hypershock

“Cool they make each other pass out then Bob proceeds to turn eve into paste as she's unconscious with violet.”

lol, no tbey won’t. Because violet has not actually shown the ability to deprive people of oxygen with her sheilds. Eve has and bob would be unconcious long before violet could do anything. And eve could literally just make violet shield go away by manipulating the atoms in it. Violet can not suffocate eve.

“2 megatons mark is neat ig”

it is, because it’s over a hundred times greater than the greatest feat in incredibles. but it’s more like 60 megatons

but I’m about done with the conversation. We’re just gonna go back and forth,

the incredibles team has no quantifiable feats that would allow them to compete in the ap and durability department. The only thing you have to argue, they could win is by trying to use a multiplier you just made up. With no basis in the film. other than being vaugley stronger than the last model. That they don’t even actually scale to because they are unable to overcome the droids durability. Teen team wins