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Jean Grey, Maxima, Jane Foster, Captain Marvel, Mera, and Wonder Woman

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Morals off

No BFR or Hax

Win by KO or Death

616/PC to Rebirth feats

Savage and WWH feats

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ok but why superman tags tho ?

anyway jane solos she beaten mangog

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@hyoname said:

ok but why superman tags tho ?

anyway jane solos she beaten mangog

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You mean the Mangog who lost to PIS?

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The same Mangog that died to a short dip in the sun? That's not even city level lol.

PC Doomsday already beat WW once and goes consistently holds his own against Superman, who should be well above the characters here.

Hulk being here makes it much easier.

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@hyoname said:

ok but why superman tags tho ?

anyway jane solos she beaten mangog

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She got stomped by Hulk

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@hyoname: boi said thread like he was something. 😂😂

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Females.

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@lord_chad: When she faced immortal Hulk with Hercules

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@kgb725: He just shrugged them off. Something Mangog can do as well. It didn‘t necessarily end up in a stomp. None of those heroes was even injured.

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@lord_chad: Jane = Odinson he was walking through Hercules and Jane like it's nothing if he wouldve hit her guarantee he 1 shots

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@kgb725: When were they stated to be equal? Shouldn‘t Jane be more versatile considering Mjolnir which Thor was missing at that time? How?

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@lord_chad: Hulk still 1 shotted Thor who stated hed never been hit that hard in his entire life and hes fought some powerful beings. I dont see how she can survive Hulk's power

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@kgb725: How do you know it took him just one punch? We know the battle began quite a while before that feat even occurred seeing as Ghost Rider’s car Was thrown before Hulk even punched Thor. Thor could have been continuously hit on the same sport over again Until his skull was fractured... Wait, when did he actually say that? Thor has taken hits from several people who would obliterate Hulk. That statement is pure bull If it was even spoken by Thor. Are you suggesting She Hulk, Subject B, the Thing and Sasquatch could now crack Thor’s skull because they seem to be comparable to Hulk in power? Even Agent Burbank should be more durable than Thor because it took the Hulk, who at that time absorbed a massive amount of radiation from Gamma flashlights that he started growing several extra body parts, including heads, to stomp him with the power to break an entire shadow base and a mountain on which it was established, using all of the newly gained power on that, for him to be killed.... And hey didn’t General Fortean who observed the Hulk from the very beginning of the run state Savage Hulk, though more childlike, is actually stronger than the immortal Hulk? Thor was hallucinating and it was pretty much a bad writing.

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DoS Doomsday thrashed Maxima and DW Doomsday thrashed Wonder Woman, that's two of the strongest team members beaten by Doomsday already... I don't see this going well for team 1

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They can't even beat Doomsday. Hulk as backup is overkill.

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@kgb725: How do you know it took him just one punch? We know the battle began quite a while before that feat even occurred seeing as Ghost Rider’s car Was thrown before Hulk even punched Thor. Thor could have been continuously hit on the same sport over again Until his skull was fractured... Wait, when did he actually say that? Thor has taken hits from several people who would obliterate Hulk. That statement is pure bull If it was even spoken by Thor. Are you suggesting She Hulk, Subject B, the Thing and Sasquatch could now crack Thor’s skull because they seem to be comparable to Hulk in power? Even Agent Burbank should be more durable than Thor because it took the Hulk, who at that time absorbed a massive amount of radiation from Gamma flashlights that he started growing several extra body parts, including heads, to stomp him with the power to break an entire shadow base and a mountain on which it was established, using all of the newly gained power on that, for him to be killed.... And hey didn’t General Fortean who observed the Hulk from the very beginning of the run state Savage Hulk, though more childlike, is actually stronger than the immortal Hulk? Thor was hallucinating and it was pretty much a bad writing.

The same was asked from the writer and all he said is Hulk hit him very hard, there was no mention of him being hit repeateldy in the same spot that's silly, and Captain America even said he never seen him get hit that hard, which implies it was that 1 punch. Everything else is pure speculation on your part, since we only got that 1 punch to go by. Yea and Hulk has bruised Thors face several times before and according to Thor he was stronger now than before. She-Hulk, Subject B, Thing, Sasquatch were never said or shown to hit as hard as Hulk, comparable to someone is not the same as being equal to them, none of this characters had the potential of Hulk(except for maybe Sasquatch but that is only with Brian Banner inside him). Hulk absorbed gamma from those flashlights much later in the series, not before he fought the Avengers and he literally got rid of that excess gamma in that very same issue where it blew up the mountain and growing extra body parts has happened multiple times throughout the series actually it is a body horror focused series and the artist intentionally invokes scenes similar to the movie Thing in it. General Fortean had his theory which got proven wrong by Immortal Hulk in the same issue when he didn't turn to Savage Hulk despite being angry and in the most recent issue Immortal Hulk said that Savage Hulk is only stronger than him during the day. Thor was not hallucinating that is what Cap though because he started talking about gods and demons which as we know turned out to be true, the writer actually said Thor understood the situation the best since he was the most experience with mystical things, whining about bad writing is always a poor excuse and always used as a last means resort when someone runs out of arguments or excuses, i am sure it will be bad writing when Hulk fights the Avengers and a few other heroes again in a few issues. There was nothing badly written about it, Hulk didn't just one-shot Thor but everyone else in that issue and it was explained that he is stronger than he was before and we also know that because of Brian Banners influence he was not holding back at all in fact he was quite keen on killing the Avengers. When it comes to characters like Superman, Thor and Hulk being morals on or morals off can make a giant difference, especially in Hulks case who grows more powerful depending on his emotional state.

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They easily beat Hulk in less than a moment as he is a non-factor but probably loses to HP/ Doomsday. His speed and overall power is just too much. The team’s only hope is WW’s lasso which if written correctly can contain HP until eternity:

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@kgb725: How do you know it took him just one punch? We know the battle began quite a while before that feat even occurred seeing as Ghost Rider’s car Was thrown before Hulk even punched Thor. Thor could have been continuously hit on the same sport over again Until his skull was fractured... Wait, when did he actually say that? Thor has taken hits from several people who would obliterate Hulk. That statement is pure bull If it was even spoken by Thor. Are you suggesting She Hulk, Subject B, the Thing and Sasquatch could now crack Thor’s skull because they seem to be comparable to Hulk in power? Even Agent Burbank should be more durable than Thor because it took the Hulk, who at that time absorbed a massive amount of radiation from Gamma flashlights that he started growing several extra body parts, including heads, to stomp him with the power to break an entire shadow base and a mountain on which it was established, using all of the newly gained power on that, for him to be killed.... And hey didn’t General Fortean who observed the Hulk from the very beginning of the run state Savage Hulk, though more childlike, is actually stronger than the immortal Hulk? Thor was hallucinating and it was pretty much a bad writing.

The fact Cap said hes never seen him get hit like that suggests it was only 1 hit and Thor even stated Hulk was a lot stronger than he once was so how does Jane survive exactly?And I guarantee those 7 arent stronger than Hulk. Those fights all had context and Hulk was far superior to them and I never said anything about them so what are you talking about ? Immortal hulk even stated himself savage is stronger

Jane has no hope

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Anytime someone says Hulk is a non factor I wonder if they should be taken seriously. 😂

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Anytime someone says Hulk is a non factor I wonder if they should be taken seriously. 😂

I mean it's tedirey so he shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to anything 😂

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Hulk is the most overrated character ever. One dimensional slow brute that can easily be BFRed by Jane

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Someone is upset lol.

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Someone is pissed lol

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@kinglouie said:

Anytime someone says Hulk is a non factor I wonder if they should be taken seriously. 😂

I mean it's tedirey so he shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to anything 😂

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@kgb725: How??? It could have been many identical hits. That statement says nothing about it taking him just one hit....nor does it even mean it was the hardest hit Thor has ever taken because Captain simply isn‘t always with Thor as they are not gay couple neither is cap omniscient. He could never know how powerful everything that has ever touched Thor‘s might be. He could acknowledge the damage of some of the attacks but not all of them. Being stronger than he was doesn’t mean Jane won’t survive. That logic is flawed. You have to prove how Jane Thor having Peak Asgardian body structure would die from him. I brought them here as comparisons so our discussion, mainly your claim, should be more logical. Doesn’t matter if they aren’t stronger than Hulk because they clearly were capable of fighting on par with him for a while so they should be able to do that to Thor as well if we disregard the bad writing behind it. Not quite. He said in the morning Savage Hulk is stronger than him and Fortean tells us an entirely different story, saying Savage Hulk should be stronger(he doesn’t mention the period).

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HP DD/WWH with minimal effort

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The same was asked from the writer and all he said is Hulk hit him very hard, there was no mention of him being hit repeateldy in the same spot that's silly, and Captain America even said he never seen him get hit that hard, which implies it was that 1 punch. Everything else is pure speculation on your part, since we only got that 1 punch to go by. Yea and Hulk has bruised Thors face several times before and according to Thor he was stronger now than before. She-Hulk, Subject B, Thing, Sasquatch were never said or shown to hit as hard as Hulk, comparable to someone is not the same as being equal to them, none of this characters had the potential of Hulk(except for maybe Sasquatch but that is only with Brian Banner inside him). Hulk absorbed gamma from those flashlights much later in the series, not before he fought the Avengers and he literally got rid of that excess gamma in that very same issue where it blew up the mountain and growing extra body parts has happened multiple times throughout the series actually it is a body horror focused series and the artist intentionally invokes scenes similar to the movie Thing in it. General Fortean had his theory which got proven wrong by Immortal Hulk in the same issue when he didn't turn to Savage Hulk despite being angry and in the most recent issue Immortal Hulk said that Savage Hulk is only stronger than him during the day. Thor was not hallucinating that is what Cap though because he started talking about gods and demons which as we know turned out to be true, the writer actually said Thor understood the situation the best since he was the most experience with mystical things, whining about bad writing is always a poor excuse and always used as a last means resort when someone runs out of arguments or excuses, i am sure it will be bad writing when Hulk fights the Avengers and a few other heroes again in a few issues. There was nothing badly written about it, Hulk didn't just one-shot Thor but everyone else in that issue and it was explained that he is stronger than he was before and we also know that because of Brian Banners influence he was not holding back at all in fact he was quite keen on killing the Avengers. When it comes to characters like Superman, Thor and Hulk being morals on or morals off can make a giant difference, especially in Hulks case who grows more powerful depending on his emotional state.

Neither was there any mention of it being just one hit. He just said(he also said that whatever he says on twitter shouldn’t be taken seriously) Hulk did hit him very hard, but not how many times. Why? Why can’t it be on the same spot? This Hulk is no retard when it comes to strategy and intelligence because during the early issues, Banner established that Hulk(the Devil Hulk) has probably become smarter than he is. Also, the first punch could have stunned Thor due to it being “very hard” and then Hulk just gave him the rest... We only got that panel which was the first panel of the fight scene(if you want to disregard Hell charger Being thrown to a nearby village). We don’t even know how that was done, so how we assume it didn’t go on for quite a while or at least a few 10 minutes already, which would have given Hulk the time he needed to repeat it on Thor‘s face? In fact he didn’t need to do it on the same spot but hit him continuously on the face where not so many spot can be found. Yes, I know that. It might be true if Thor wasn’t hallucinating which we don’t know yet... but that doesn’t mean he could crack Thor’s skull with just one hit, despite Thor‘s insane regeneration. She Hulk did show that potential by punching Hulk’s face and wrestling with him for a while until Banner spoke something mean about her and punched her away which had her sitting and seemingly crying(inside) until the battle ended and afterwards. Regardless, they were COMPARABLE in strength, though not equal, meaning if any of them decided to fight Thor they could kill him in a few hits, which I think is too much of a reaching for Ewing. Yes, I know that which was why I mentioned it. It was long after he did fight the Avengers. Assuming he spent all of those extra energy which ultimately caused him to mutate into that ugly, living, deformed muscles in one hit and it only resulted in a mountain and a base above being completely destroyed, how could regular Immortal Hulk(No I am not trying to say Hulk is not capable of feats like blowing up mountains or even planets normally), unamped and written by the same writer, manage to fracture Thor’s skull, unless the instance was pure PIS. The artist just tried to tell us how much energy he absorbed. Yeah, but note that he also said Savage Hulk was “Stronger“ though more childish. Sure, Hulk didn’t turn into his savage, regular persona but that wasn’t my point. I simply pointed out Fortean said Savage Hulk was stronger. Yes, he did. He said savage is stronger than him during “daytime” but he does consistently call Savage the “big guy” implying Savage Hulk COULD BE stronger than him. Thor also said if his sights get clearer he could continue fighting. Does that also sound reasonable to you? We are talking about the guy whose skull has just been cracked. No matter how much Experience Thor has with mystical beings, it doesn’t imply he was right when speaking of Hulk or that he was even in the right mind.... Seeing as you continually deem Gladiator‘s high ends outliers, I believe the whining about things being badly written is mostly found with you. It is the same excuse you love to use so why would you even criticize me for that???? He just threw Ghost Rider’s car away, overloaded Black Panther‘s Suit and crushed Ironman’s Hulkbuster armor which like another buster armors barely even accomplishes its goals...and the punched Captain America’s shield which oddly enough didn’t cause Cap Who was holding it to fly away. As per She Hulk, he wrestled with her for a few seconds after getting punched and staggered by her before speaking something mean about her and sending her away Which just left her sitting there unharmed. That is all he did. What he did to Thor was simply a result of bad writing. Hulk, at that time, was seen smiling so I don’t think it indicated much of anger.... Btw, Hulk has always been savage and dangerous to his opponents even with Banner. He normally doesn’t have high Morals if he is not facing his own friends.

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@lord_chad: So it's your speculation vs what was shown. What was shown is that it was one hit and until you provide more evidence for more hits, it will remain 1 hit and everything else will be speculation. Devil Hulk is smarter than Banner mostly because Banner has been dumbed down a lot, he is still a smart guy just not the super genius he once was for some reason. Again it's just speculation, as of now all it was shown was 1 hit, before that GR being thrown could have been the full extent of the fight, again we don't know we can speculate all we want, but until we get more proof we can only use whats shown on panel. Thor doesn't have insane regeneration, i don't ever remember him healing broken bones instantly. The comic showed Hulk hitting him once and cracking his skull, until you get more evidence that he hit him more times you will have to learn to deal with it. Yea considering current Jen is amped by Celestials she showed that she can hang with Hulk for a while. Comparable is still not enough. I mean they certainly have the potential to kill Thor, i dunno what's so confusing about it, She-Hulk herself has already shown to be superior to Thor in several cases in the Avengers run, Sasquatch was said by the writer to be equal to Hulk if he is operated by someone like Brian Banner and the fake Abomination had acid that can melt even Hulks skin and the physicals to go toe to toe with Hulk. Not really, these characters were amped for a reason and Jen being amped is not something done by Ewing but by Aaron. That mutation btw was said by Ewing to be the artist choice, he just told him to give him a cool Hulk out moment, nothing else and he opted to make it like a weird mutation that came out of the Thing movie, we also don't know how much excess gamma Hulk had he could have had 2% more than normal and just wanted to expel it, not sure what point that is suppose to make you even contradict yourself because you yourself say Hulk can already bust mountains on his own and has in the past, you are trying to look to hard into something that has little to no relevance on anything. If you have problems with how hard Hulk punches we can go through what he has done and you will find that he cracked the bones of quite a few characters in Immortal Hulk, not just Thor. That's Fortean telling us that, there is no reason to think Fortean is 100% correct and he certainly doesn't know more than Devil Hulk himself, so if Devil Hulk says Savage is stronger during the day that's almost certain correct. And btw Savage Hulk could indeed be stronger even during the night, it's too early to tell because the Devil persona isn't explained fully yet if it's some sort of a demon or a god or something else and what exact connection it has to TOBA/TOAA, i personally think Savage Hulk has a higher end it can reach when pissed off than Devil Hulk, but Devil Hulk has a higher average of strength. Yea except the writer confirms Thor was right

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I don't deem Gladiators high ends as outliers, the problem is some people use his "universal" and such feats as high ends, which is nonsense, him beating Beta Ray Bill, beating up Hyperion, him destroying a planetoid, even him tanking half a solar system explosion those are high ends that can be acceptable, him fighting abstract entities is not something i would ever NOT call outliers and this goes for all other characters of that level, not just Gladiator. I am not one currently whinning about bad writing, that's you. When did i last use bad writing as an excuse and with what exactly? We don't know if he threw or punched his GR car away, either way GR was KO'd, Ironmans Hulkbuster recieved critical damage just from one thunderclap then got his arms casually pulled off, BP got his vibranium armor overloaded which he thought was almost an impossibility. Captain America shield is designed to absorb hits like that so it's no wonder Cap didn't fly away also even with that some of that affected Cap still since his nose was bleeding from the strain. He got sucker punched by her as he had his back to her, she punched him twice there and the 3rd punch he caught with his hand than got up on his feet messed with her by calling her the Hulk and then punched her for miles away, yea well of course she is a Hulk(an amped one at that) it takes a lot more to harm Hulks and keep them that way than it does for anyone else on that team. That's up to you, that wasn't the first and probably wont be the last time Hulk has one-shot Thor, calling it bad writing is not gonna change it any time soon. In the meantime you can send a letter of complaint to Marvel. Devil Hulk has little to no morals even against his former friends and teammates especially with Brian Banner inside him influencing him and we already saw Devil Hulk that unlike with other Hulks, Banner can't hold him back much if at all.

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DoS Doomsday thrashed Maxima and DW Doomsday thrashed Wonder Woman, that's two of the strongest team members beaten by Doomsday already... I don't see this going well for team 1

Stop spreading lies. Doomsday didn’t beat Maxima. She took herself out the battle via PIS. The entire story was meant for Supes to fight doomsday... even an amped Martian Manhunter went out.

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@underfire47: No. It is me with my rational speculation backed by what was shown and mostly what was shown without any speculation vs your claims. What was shown shown is the fight beginning for a while and then the scene where Thor got hit appeared. To assume it was one hit or more is both a speculation, but to use that as your excuse for “Hulk literally did it in one strike” is pure ignorance and lazy assumption. Where is it stated he has been dumbed down a lot? The implication of Banner and Hulk’ intelligence is that the Immortal Hulk has more than a half of Banner‘s brain which would make him a genius, or at least smart enough to do that to Thor... Don’t deem it as speculation if you want to rely on that one hit. One hit was done later in the fight and nothing EVER speaks Other wise. It wasn’t confirmed to be done in one hit. As of now, it is unknown. The on panel feats did show us it already erupted for a while and Thor being hit was just one of the many things which happened before or after the hell charger was thrown. That is just it. It doesn’t necessarily need to be done in one hit. He did continue to fight Malekith after his Liver was turned to glass and clearly did regrow a new one later on. That is insane enough for me. Also, him recovering from the Collector‘s Bomb with the range of a small solar system as well... The comic doesn’t tell me how to deal with it or even the entirety of the fight. We saw hell Charger thrown to a village And then Thor punched by Hulk and his skull fractured, which was not enough to suggest it was done in one punch or many punches, but based on rational conclusion it should have taken more than one(the comic didn’t show that but it doesn’t mean that is how the fight went on). Yes, so did many characters who hadn’t been stated to have been amped by anything. Well, being comparable is big enough on its own. If you and my friend and wrestle each other while you are able to easily crack my skull, wouldn’t your friend be able to do so if he actually tries it even if he is slightly weaker than you? I don’t think they all have the potential to kill Thor via strength alone and they shouldn’t otherwise the power-scale would not make sense, considering Thor’s previous moments. How do gamma-powered heroes and villains suddenly get stronger to the point where they are on the whole different level, upwards, to Thor? And the problem is, in other events, they are not shown to be. Once when both Weapon H and Hulk were weakened by the virus Hulk was easily stomped by him and even before Hulk’s absorbed some of his gamma they were shown to be comparable in strength. Weapon H should be around the same level as Minotaur , as it is implied in the story Thor(Not saying Thor could do this all the time) wrecked in a few hits. The power scale is just messed up. Only time did she show to be his superior was when she saved his life with heat in body which was just heat..... Yes, but doesn‘t that tell us it is just savage Hulk in general that Sasquatch is equal to? And if he matched Hulk like that, doesn’t that mean a normal Savage Hulk should be able to do such a thing to Thor, which he never did with his fists? I don’t know much about Sasquatch so I can’t say more than this. The artist had choice yes but he obviously understood what was being done to the Hulk so he did show Hulk turning into that thing not just to show us he was boosted just by 2% but he was almost overloaded. No, I didn’t contradict myself. You don’t understand my point. When I said he could do it on random occasions was me summarizing his general capability as a single character being written by many writers in many books. My problem with Ewing’s run is that he seems to underestimate Thor and make everything else look weak. Under the same writer in the same run, he spent all of those extra energy on just a mountain yet on regular basis he is capable of fracturing Thor’s skull with one hit? That is my concern. It just sounds like bullshit even more. Time will tell us about the Savage Hulk thing. This is what Ewing, whom you said refuted me, said. “Thor, ironically, MAYBE understands what they are fighting best -“. Unless that “maybe” becomes ACTUALLY, it doesn’t refute anything I said. And seeing as Thor thought he could fight if his sights get better, despite having his skull cracked already, we can tell he certainly wasn‘t healthy and conscious enough to make such a statement. We don’t know the true Strength of Gladiator because it entirely depends on his confidence. Many abstracts entities have been injured and even killed by heroes of Earth, which is not surprising. These heroes are very powerful and at high end could be universal. Sometimes the feats you call outliers are becoming so casual that they can be called consistent showings.... However, from what I have seen in your debate with Heli you simply refuted most if not all of his high ends and then posted his low ends, so it is you who is mostly making excuse for things like “high ends or bad writing”, not me. I barely even use this word. Don’t criticize me for it. GR wasn’t ko’d, just hurt and barely conscious. If it was thrown or punched across the city it would have been a stupid writing because that won’t even mess him up on consistent basis. It didn’t even completely wreck the hell charger. What was done to Ironman proves the stupidity of the comic. Just air and shockwave literally made his armor reach critical point. Even still, that says nothing about Hulk’s capability to actually crack Thor’s skull with just one punch considering how durable he is... Cap shield’s vibranium isn’t the same type that could absorb most of the blunt force which is in Wakanda. It still doesn’t make sense that he doesn’t fly away after that punch. Yeah. That is all he did. Sure he doesn’t have any compassion for them but that doesn’t change the fact that it is bad writing considering Thor‘s durability and the feats of other characters that fought them both even if it may have taken him more than one punch.

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#38 Underfire47  Online

@lord_chad: tl;dr

We will have to just agree to disagree, take care.

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@lord_chad: No worries, i am sure they will feel even more pain in a few months lol.

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#41 Alphamon  Online

Team 2 should take this with hulk being mvp

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#42  Edited By Hyoname

@underfire47: just imagine the outrage if immortal hulk one shot current thor ?

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@hyoname: The forums would explode, tbf i would call nonsense to that too, but Cates has been already writing Thor as a jobber despite him having the Odin Force and Power Cosmic, it seems even in the future his feats will be all over the place.

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@kinglouie said:

Anytime someone says Hulk is a non factor I wonder if they should be taken seriously. 😂

I mean it's tedirey so he shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to anything 😂

It's just Ted. Noone takes him seriously around here :)

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@underfire47: Is that a genuine opinion or you trying to wish that my fingers get even more hurt?

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@20damon: Diana's universal level lasso

Remember ? :)

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@lord_chad: No i don't want your fingers to hurt lol, it is a genuine opinion from a teaser mentioned by the writer.

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HP Doomsday solos.

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@underfire47: Makes sense. I am gonna need to handle more debates.