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If any one is wondering yes that’s Darth Vader it’s just some cool fan art I saw so it’s not some kinda amp or anything

rules

obi wan is in his prime

jedi’s are bloodlusted

sith are in character

this is composite legends/cannon

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Jedi, mostly due to Yoda as Maul and Kenobi are a good match and Windu and Dooku are a good match

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Honestly, the only match up that isn’t super close is Vader vs Yoda.

Mace vs. dooku is very close with mace probably coming on top due to vaapad

Obiwan vs maul has been a fight we’ve seen in canon a lot. I put kenobi as the victor though (just saw prime kenobi, this isn’t nearly as close mustafar kenobi mid diffs maul)

Yoda vs Vader is Yoda every time though

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if this is Legends than Jedi wins handily.

Vader isn't going to be able to hold off Yoda and Dooku at the same time no matter if his powerful is greater.

If this is canon , than the Sith Wins handily.

Dooku in canon is more powerful than Mace, and anyone who tries to argue this then prove to me that Vapaad works the same way in canon as it does in Legends.

Obi-wan is greater than Maul so he wins.

As for Vader, he is above Yoda, since he is more powerful than ROTS Sidious who is more powerful than Yoda in canon.

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so it comes down to can Obi-wan defeat maul fast enough before Vader or Dooku defeat Yoda or mace.

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@mygod000 said:

if this is Legends than Jedi wins handily.

Vader isn't going to be able to hold off Yoda and Dooku at the same time no matter if his powerful is greater.

If this is canon , than the Sith Wins handily.

Dooku in canon is more powerful than Mace, and anyone who tries to argue this then prove to me that Vapaad works the same way in canon as it does in Legends.

Obi-wan is greater than Maul so he wins.

As for Vader, he is above Yoda, since he is more powerful than ROTS Sidious who is more powerful than Yoda in canon.

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so it comes down to can Obi-wan defeat maul fast enough before Vader or Dooku defeat Yoda or mace.

dooku and yoda aren’t on the same team

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Jedi take this

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@alphamon said:
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if this is Legends than Jedi wins handily.

Vader isn't going to be able to hold off Yoda and Dooku at the same time no matter if his powerful is greater.

If this is canon , than the Sith Wins handily.

Dooku in canon is more powerful than Mace, and anyone who tries to argue this then prove to me that Vapaad works the same way in canon as it does in Legends.

Obi-wan is greater than Maul so he wins.

As for Vader, he is above Yoda, since he is more powerful than ROTS Sidious who is more powerful than Yoda in canon.

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so it comes down to can Obi-wan defeat maul fast enough before Vader or Dooku defeat Yoda or mace.

dooku and yoda aren’t on the same team

i know that, which is why I said Before Vader or DOOkie defeats Yoda or Mace.

I am implying Vader will be facing Yoda, and Mace and Dooku will be fighting each other.

Dooku>Mace.

Vader>ROTS Sidious>Yoda

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Team Jedi 10/10

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Team Jedi, and it's not close.

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@mygod000: How's Dooku > Mace in canon?? We see Dooku being choked by Palpatine while he's systems away to Windu competing with and disarming Palpatine.

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@mygod000: oh ok I thought you might have misunderstood something

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@dalootajr: do you not know what maces windus vaapad is?

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@alphamon: Yes I do but how is it a way Dooku can defeat Mace?

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@alphamon: Yes, I understand Windu was amped against Palpatine but he doesn't need to be amped in order to defeat Dooku. Vaapad is still a lightsaber form much like Dooku's Makashi and he could arguably have a stylistic advantage due to Vaapads kinetic power.

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Composite and legends the Jedi should take it, Darth Maul is the weakest link here overall despite being up there as a saber combatant.

Obi Wan is a very formidable Jedi and hes fighting along side two of the best either capable of taking Vader or Dooku.

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Not going to argue legends because it’s overall not my forte and I think the power levels and such in it are pretty nonsensical. In canon I think the sith team is taking it 6-7/10. I think maul vs obi is pretty even although definitely skewing in Kenobi’s favor, I think Dooku takes a slight majority over Mace especially because vapaad is very much unexplored in canon, and the controversial one based on all the feats Vader’s gained in new canon I think he also beats yoda for a slight majority or at the very least goes even and then him and Dooku team up to take yoda down and finally obi wan gets taken out.

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This is composite Canon/Legends Vader alone takes down Yoda who is weaker than ROTS Sidious as I showed.

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Vader while Massively pre-prime was able to Ragdoll ROTS Sidious.

This Vader is 14-22 years Weaker than his prime, what is a Weaker Yoda going to do?

Vader Months after this upgraded his suit and was confident in going to kill Sidious. He should at least be more powerful than when he ragdolled Sidious, it stated 5 years after ROTS Vader is the strongest Sith. at bare minimal he should be more powerful than ROTS Sidious at that point.

Vader 5 years after ROTS>ROTS Sidious>Yoda prime.

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Jedi win legends or canon. Yoda and Mace can take anyone on the Sith team, and Kenobi can at least hold his own against any of them.

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Jedi win legends or canon. Yoda and Mace can take anyone on the Sith team, and Kenobi can at least hold his own against any of them.

No, Yoda is weaker than ROTS Sidious...Vader is above ROTS sidious.

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@mygod000 said:

This is composite Canon/Legends Vader alone takes down Yoda who is weaker than ROTS Sidious as I showed.

Vader while Massively pre-prime was able to Ragdoll ROTS Sidious.

This Vader is 14-22 years Weaker than his prime, what is a Weaker Yoda going to do?

Vader Months after this upgraded his suit and was confident in going to kill Sidious. He should at least be more powerful than when he ragdolled Sidious, it stated 5 years after ROTS Vader is the strongest Sith. at bare minimal he should be more powerful than ROTS Sidious at that point.

Vader 5 years after ROTS>ROTS Sidious>Yoda prime.

Vader being confident in going for a kill on his master is not proof of strength. That is the sith way. They are ALL confident in their abilities.

Examples: Maul thought he and Savage could kill Sidious. Dooku thought he and Kenobi could kill Sidious... Neither of those things are true.

Also, by your math, Mace beat Sidious rather easily. Vader didn't. So Mace > Vader.

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@mygod000 said:

This is composite Canon/Legends Vader alone takes down Yoda who is weaker than ROTS Sidious as I showed.

Vader while Massively pre-prime was able to Ragdoll ROTS Sidious.

This Vader is 14-22 years Weaker than his prime, what is a Weaker Yoda going to do?

Vader Months after this upgraded his suit and was confident in going to kill Sidious. He should at least be more powerful than when he ragdolled Sidious, it stated 5 years after ROTS Vader is the strongest Sith. at bare minimal he should be more powerful than ROTS Sidious at that point.

Vader 5 years after ROTS>ROTS Sidious>Yoda prime.

Vader being confident in going for a kill on his master is not proof of strength. That is the sith way. They are ALL confident in their abilities.

Examples: Maul thought he and Savage could kill Sidious. Dooku thought he and Kenobi could kill Sidious... Neither of those things are true.

Also, by your math, Mace beat Sidious rather easily. Vader didn't. So Mace > Vader.

Not really. I appreciate you gave out examples in your reply to me, But the Examples don't really work here is why.

1) Vader knew how powerful Sidious was since he just Wrecked him months ago.

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This was Vader 15 minutes removed from the fight with Obi-wan.

2) months after he was hit with force lighting he got permission from Sidious to upgrade his suit.

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Like I was tell everyone in here Vader in his upgraded Suit>Rage Amp Vader that ragdolled ROTS Sidious.

3) The maul and oppress vs Sidious actually would have killed Sidious. Sidious won because he separated Maul and Oppress. Go look at the fight again, He knocks out maul for a bit then he kills Oppress in that moment.

If it had stated a 2v1 battle TCW Sidious would have lost as he was getting tired in that fight.

4) The example of Vader i gave is him Massively pre-prime. What I find extremely funny is people talk about Legends Vader being Yoda Tier, and they say Canon Vader is much much closer to Sidious power yet he is below ROTS Sidious.

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you people need to stop using double standards, you claim he far closer to Sidious than Legends Vader only when it suits are your argument but the moment someone brings arguments that he above ROTS Sidious then you want to say Vader is weaker than Mace and Dooku...you can't pick and choose when you want Vader to be close to Sidious.

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5 years After ROTS Vader is stated to be the most powerful Sith. that Would include ROTS Sidious.

This is still Vader massively pre-Prime...I find it hard to believe he stayed weaker than ROTS Sidious, ROTJ Sidious i can understand because i have him par with ROTJ but not a power 22 years back. Vader was already powerful enough to force push ROTS Sidious into walls 15 mins after his obi-wan fight.

He got massively more powerful after the time skip. Yoda isn't winning against Vader no matter how hard he tries. If you are going to claim Vader is weaker than ROTS Sidious because of personal belief even those canon disagrees then you need to accept that Yoda is weaker than ROTS Sidious as well because it is stated in canon that he is.

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Vader runs through Yoda.

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Not really. I appreciate you gave out examples in your reply to me, But the Examples don't really work here is why.

1) Vader knew how powerful Sidious was since he just Wrecked him months ago.

This was Vader 15 minutes removed from the fight with Obi-wan.

2) months after he was hit with force lighting he got permission from Sidious to upgrade his suit.

Like I was tell everyone in here Vader in his upgraded Suit>Rage Amp Vader that ragdolled ROTS Sidious.

3) The maul and oppress vs Sidious actually would have killed Sidious. Sidious won because he separated Maul and Oppress. Go look at the fight again, He knocks out maul for a bit then he kills Oppress in that moment.

If it had stated a 2v1 battle TCW Sidious would have lost as he was getting tired in that fight.

4) The example of Vader i gave is him Massively pre-prime. What I find extremely funny is people talk about Legends Vader being Yoda Tier, and they say Canon Vader is much much closer to Sidious power yet he is below ROTS Sidious.

you people need to stop using double standards, you claim he far closer to Sidious than Legends Vader only when it suits are your argument but the moment someone brings arguments that he above ROTS Sidious then you want to say Vader is weaker than Mace and Dooku...you can't pick and choose when you want Vader to be close to Sidious.

5 years After ROTS Vader is stated to be the most powerful Sith. that Would include ROTS Sidious.

This is still Vader massively pre-Prime...I find it hard to believe he stayed weaker than ROTS Sidious, ROTJ Sidious i can understand because i have him par with ROTJ but not a power 22 years back. Vader was already powerful enough to force push ROTS Sidious into walls 15 mins after his obi-wan fight.

He got massively more powerful after the time skip. Yoda isn't winning against Vader no matter how hard he tries. If you are going to claim Vader is weaker than ROTS Sidious because of personal belief even those canon disagrees then you need to accept that Yoda is weaker than ROTS Sidious as well because it is stated in canon that he is.

Vader runs through Yoda.

1: You think Maul and Dooku didn't know how strong Sidious was? I mean... Come on now. That is a pretty huge assumption.

2: Explain how upgrading his suit increases his force powers, in anyway.

3: What are you even talking about? Think about what you just said....

"Maul and Savage would have killed Sidious if".... Sidious hadn't force pushed Maul? You know, a standard thing in fights? That is literally a part of fighting.

What you just said was so dumb... Its like saying that "I would have won that boxing match if my opponent didn't punch me in the face".... lol

Also, maybe you should watch the fight again? Sidious was toying with them.

4: There is nothing that says this is Prime Vader. It just says Prime Obi Wan.

As for your image, its heavily debunked. Its either Hyperbole, or known Sith, as Palpatine wasn't known as a sith throughout the galaxy. No person with half a brain would actually think he is stronger then Palpatine.

In fact, there are many, many, many examples of Vader being stated as weaker then Palpatine, including from Lucas himself.

I see no reason why Yoda could not beat Vader. Most people think he could, but that is one matchup.

Mace can certainly defeat Vader. Obi-Wan has defeated Vader.

Maul is the weak link here. He dies first regardless of whom he matches up against. Be hard pressed to come up with a scenario where Vader and Dooku beat Ben, Yoda, and Mace. Because that is essentially what this fight is.

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Yoda decimates Vader how's this a question?

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1: You think Maul and Dooku didn't know how strong Sidious was? I mean... Come on now. That is a pretty huge assumption.

1) It a huge assumption to say Sidious still would have won if hadn't separated them. If that was the case...He would have kept it a 2v1 and not try and isolate Oppress from maul at the end.

2: Explain how upgrading his suit increases his force powers, in anyway.

He was already much stronger since he had killed a Jedi Master who>ROST Obi-wan Who beat Him prior.

it's kinda Downplaying to say he didn't get stronger since at this point he was using the Dark side Regularly and getting better with it, almost a Month went by Since he did this To Sidious.

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that was in an inferior Suit.

3: What are you even talking about? Think about what you just said....

"Maul and Savage would have killed Sidious if".... Sidious hadn't force pushed Maul? You know, a standard thing in fights? That is literally a part of fighting.

I never said force pushing wasn't a Standard thing in Star wars fight, I am Saying Sidious Separating them isn't. If he confident he can beat them both together then why Separate them? you only do stuff like that when you are having trouble and Sidious for the most part was having trouble with both of them together which is why He made it a 1v1 by getting rid of Maul for a bit and then killing Oppress when Maul was out of the picture.

What you just said was so dumb... Its like saying that "I would have won that boxing match if my opponent didn't punch me in the face".... lol

No, you just didn't actually read what I meant, I am not talking about Sidious Force pushing Maul away...My point has always been if Sidious hadn't separated them he would have lost.

Also, maybe you should watch the fight again? Sidious was toying with them.

Yeah, at the beginning of the fight he was. If you think he's going to continue to fight at the same level with his stamina staying the same thing you clearly don't know star wars. he was tiring out which is why he took a breath of sigh after he force pushed maul then he kills Oppress before maul can join back in.

4: There is nothing that says this is Prime Vader. It just says Prime Obi Wan.

Prime Vader starts in Rebels. which is 14 years after ROTS.

Vader in ROTS was able to Ragdoll Sidious, you are making the assumption that Vader didn't get massively stronger since then.

As for your image, its heavily debunked. Its either Hyperbole, or known Sith, as Palpatine wasn't known as a sith throughout the galaxy. No person with half a brain would actually think he is stronger then Palpatine.

Like said the people who work on Disney out right said the fight Between Vader and Sidious can go either way. Implying their at least>= with each other. If it that close that it's nearly impossible to say who would win, then it make 0 sense that Vader 14 years later would be weaker than ROTS Sidious.

Especially since before he died he was getting stronger in the force like Vader was.

In fact, there are many, many, many examples of Vader being stated as weaker then Palpatine, including from Lucas himself.

Lucas's words in star wars power scaling is less then toilet paper, his word means nothing he gave up his power.

I see no reason why Yoda could not beat Vader. Most people think he could, but that is one matchup.

That is Argument from popular Belief. If Vader 14-22 Later is nearly par with a more powerful Sidious, then that means he is at least more powerful than ROTS Sidious.

Mace can certainly defeat Vader. Obi-Wan has defeated Vader.

LMFAO...Maybe in Legends or in George Lucas Canon...but not in Disney Canon. Mace windu in Canon has lost his greatest weapon Vapaad which doesn't even works the same way in canon. with that he is weaker than Dooku, who Disney has stated Maul is in the same tier as Dooku.

Dooku+Ventress would kill this Sidious, especially since he was scared Dooku was going to use her to kill him and instantly told him to kill her....by looking at the Maul+Oppress vs Sidious fight i have no doubt of that. Ventress>>>Oppress Dooku>=Maul, and Sidious had to resort to turning it into a 1 v 1 fight to win that.

Vader has already defeat a Jedi master stronger than ROTS Sidious...so your point about Obi-wan beating him is moot anyways. this Vader would murder Obi-wan.

Maul is the weak link here. He dies first regardless of whom he matches up against. Be hard pressed to come up with a scenario where Vader and Dooku beat Ben, Yoda, and Mace. Because that is essentially what this fight is.

I already said Maul is the weak link here, but he is good enough that he can compete with ROTS Sidious, while This Vader is more powerful than That Sidious, and Yoda is Weaker than ROTS Sidious.

Sidious 14 years After ROTS>=Prime Vader 14 years after ROTS>>>ROTS Sidious>Yoda

Dave Filoni has Stated Prime Vader is 14 years Later from ROTS. Sidious even Sees Vader as his Suitable Replacement in the Dark side...which means Vader=<Sidious at their best (not including TROS Dyad Sidious)

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“3) The maul and oppress vs Sidious actually would have killed Sidious. Sidious won because he separated Maul and Oppress. Go look at the fight again, He knocks out maul for a bit then he kills Oppress in that moment.”

JUST. NO. Sidious >>>>>>>>>> Maul + Savage.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/star-wars-universe-1943200/darth-sidious-vs-darth-maul-and-savage-opress-what-1757667/?page=1

Like I just explained, if the gap was so huge then there would be no Need or reason for Sidious to separate them in combat if he wanted to show of exactly how powerful he is.

Edit: as I just explained Dooku+Ventress would have been enough to take down ROTS Sidious.

Ventress+Oppress together forced Dooku to separate them.

Dooku>=Maul>>>Ventress>>>Oppress

alone Dooku or Maul are no match for ROTS, but they can compete with him, you add Ventress or Oppress and either maul or Dooku has a good chance of beating Sidious if they can Keep the fight a 2v1 and not get separated.

Vader is more powerful than ROTS Sidious, and it stated ROTS Sidious in canon is more powerful than Yoda.

Yoda, can contend with Vader sure, but he can't beat him not alone he would need mace help for that. All Vader would need to do is separate them.

Dooku>Mace

Obi-wan>Maul

so it turns into a Obi-wan Vs Dooku

Vader Vs Yoda

Obi-wan at his best could argued as being above Dooku, but everyone on here says Dooku is still more powerful than him.

as i just proved above Vader>>ROTS Sidious>Yoda

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@mygod000:

A) Vaapad works exactly the same way in canon as it does in legends. By far the two most comprehensive sources on the invalid form of Vaapad in question are the novels Shatterpoint and Revenge of the Sith, the latter of which is canon and the former being essentially a word-for-word copy in terms of description.

B) Vader never ragdolled Sidious, especially in his massively weakened state. That comic contradicts the movie which showed that Vader only killed droids in that scene.

C) Vader has never been and never will be anywhere near Sidious.

D) You can't be "forced" to separate a team lol, that's a logical contradiction. That's like saying you were "forced" to beat someone. In order to separate a team through combative means, you have to already be better than them. Dooku never seperated Ventress and Savage either. He just stomped whoever came his way. He dismissed Ventress and ignored Savage who was a non factor.

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OT: Team Jedi stomps. Dooku is the only Sith here who can put up a fight against Mace or Yoda, the rest are fodder.

Given that this is evidently ROTS Kenobi, it's even worse of a stomp. Kenobi stomps TCW Maul, Mace solos Dooku and Yoda stomps Vader.

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And, Vaapad as portrayed by Matthew Stover is not a fighting style. It's a Force ability.

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@mygod000:

“Like I just explained, if the gap was so huge then there would be no Need or reason for Sidious to separate them in combat if he wanted to show of exactly how powerful he is.“

Man, sidious was toying with them. Just read that blog. It’s common knowledge. I really don’t know why you derailed talking of other characters, but I’m genuinely interested in why you hold Dooku > Windu in canon.

Blog can say one thing but the on screen visuals says he struggled.

We got into that discussion about Vader and Sidious because you and another member where talking about Yoda being able to beat Vader. I proved that Yoda in canon is weaker than ROTS Sidious, While Vader is more powerful than ROTS Sidious.

Because Dooku is better than mace. I am not saying Dooku wins Definitively over Mace, I am saying Dooku>Mace which is facts. show me a Statement that states Mace is more powerful than Dark side Dookie then I'll concede that point.

Regardless VAder is in fact more powerful than ROTS Sidious.

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stated he is the smost powerful sith in the Galaxy which Means Vader 5 years from ROTS>ROTS Sidious>yoda.

Which means he beat him.

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Vader is better duelist as well.

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A) Vaapad works exactly the same way in canon as it does in legends. By far the two most comprehensive sources on the invalid form of Vaapad in question are the novels Shatterpoint and Revenge of the Sith, the latter of which is canon and the former being essentially a word-for-word copy in terms of description.

B) Vader never ragdolled Sidious, especially in his massively weakened state. That comic contradicts the movie which showed that Vader only killed droids in that scene.

C) Vader has never been and never will be anywhere near Sidious.

D) You can't be "forced" to separate a team lol, that's a logical contradiction. That's like saying you were "forced" to beat someone. In order to separate a team through combative means, you have to already be better than them. Dooku never seperated Ventress and Savage either. He just stomped whoever came his way. He dismissed Ventress and ignored Savage who was a non factor.

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5 years after ROTS Vader>ROTS Sidious.

Sidious is what 84 years old Talking about he going to call up Vader to handle his business.

Let call up Yoda ask him why he was hiding from Vader. moreover, He pays Billions of Credit for security a year.

even if you say that wasn't in the movie, star wars movie doesn't cover Vader life 5 years after ROTS, so the statement is irrefutable Vader 5 years after ROTS>ROTS Sidious.

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"Sidious is what 84 years old Talking about he going to call up Vader to handle his business. Let call up Yoda ask him why he was hiding from Vader. moreover, He pays Billions of Credit for security a year. even if you say that wasn't in the movie, star wars movie doesn't cover Vader life 5 years after ROTS, so the statement is irrefutable Vader 5 years after ROTS>ROTS Sidious."

I can pull out random supremacy quotes too:

"Twi’lek, with slender head-tails and a heavily muscled upper body, his name was Anoon Bondara, a duelist of unparalleled skill." 

-- Cloak of Deception 

I guess Anoon Bondara > Yoda, Mace, Dooku and Sidious. No wait: 

"Cin Drallig is honored with the mantle of both Chief of Security and Battlemaster for the Jedi Temple. His unparalleled skill with a lightsaber has benefited many a Jedi under his tutelage, including Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker."

-- Force Collection

I guess Cin Drallig > Yoda, Made, Dooku and Sidious. No wait:

"Mace Windu is the most powerful warrior on the Jedi Council." 

-- Star Wars: Obi-Wan: Prima Official Game Guide  

I guess TPM Mace > Yoda, Sidious and Plagueis. No wait: 

"[Dooku'] skill with a lightsaber is matched only by Master Yoda."

-- Force Collection

I guess Dooku > Sidious and Mace. No wait:

"Dooku carried a lightsaber with a curved handle and practiced an elegant fencing style; he could outclass nearly any opponent except for Yoda." 

-- Insider #113 

I guess Dooku >>>>> Sidious and Mace. 

As I said, Vader is nowhere near Sidious. 

And, Yoda wasn't hiding from Vader. Vader can't even beat ANH Kenobi. Or priest Eeth Koth. Or ROTJ Luke. Funny how all of his feats show that he is much worse than Sidious.

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"Sidious is what 84 years old Talking about he going to call up Vader to handle his business. Let call up Yoda ask him why he was hiding from Vader. moreover, He pays Billions of Credit for security a year. even if you say that wasn't in the movie, star wars movie doesn't cover Vader life 5 years after ROTS, so the statement is irrefutable Vader 5 years after ROTS>ROTS Sidious."

I can pull out random supremacy quotes too:

"Twi’lek, with slender head-tails and a heavily muscled upper body, his name was Anoon Bondara, a duelist of unparalleled skill."

-- Cloak of Deception

I guess Anoon Bondara > Yoda, Mace, Dooku and Sidious. No wait:

"Cin Drallig is honored with the mantle of both Chief of Security and Battlemaster for the Jedi Temple. His unparalleled skill with a lightsaber has benefited many a Jedi under his tutelage, including Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker."

-- Force Collection

I guess Cin Drallig > Yoda, Made, Dooku and Sidious. No wait:

"Mace Windu is the most powerful warrior on the Jedi Council."

-- Star Wars: Obi-Wan: Prima Official Game Guide

I guess TPM Mace > Yoda, Sidious and Plagueis. No wait:

"[Dooku'] skill with a lightsaber is matched only by Master Yoda."

-- Force Collection

I guess Dooku > Sidious and Mace. No wait:

"Dooku carried a lightsaber with a curved handle and practiced an elegant fencing style; he could outclass nearly any opponent except for Yoda."

-- Insider #113

I guess Dooku >>>>> Sidious and Mace.

As I said, Vader is nowhere near Sidious.

And, Yoda wasn't hiding from Vader. Vader can't even beat ANH Kenobi. Or priest Eeth Koth. Or ROTJ Luke. Funny how all of his feats show that he is much worse than Sidious.

Vader defeated ANH Kenobi...so how did you come to the conclusion that he can't beat him when Obi-wan was killed in his fight with Vader?

Okay, But those Quotes don't erase what was stated 5 years after ROTS, which it stated he is more powerful than ROTS Sidious.

Yea, Yoda was hiding from Vader. all Jedi were getting killed by him...and it took him 22 years just to come out of hiding to train Vader's Son and died without honor.

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Because Dooku is better than mace. I am not saying Dooku wins Definitively over Mace, I am saying Dooku>Mace which is facts. show me a Statement that states Mace is more powerful than Dark side Dookie then I'll concede that point.

Wait...

How is Dooku > Mace when Mace > ROTS Sidious?

We don't need a statement. You said it yourself:

Blog can say one thing but the on screen visuals says he struggled.

Dooku lost to Anakin, who is weaker then Vader.

Anakin lost to Obi Wan, who is not on ROTS Sidious level as clarified by the literal wisest person in the galaxy.

ROTS Sidious lost to Mace... Who is above both Obi Wan, and Anakin.

Not only do we have visual evidence, we also have statements in between the fights about Ben which clarifies strength levels.

How do you even remotely get to Dooku > Mace based on this?

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Because Dooku is better than mace. I am not saying Dooku wins Definitively over Mace, I am saying Dooku>Mace which is facts. show me a Statement that states Mace is more powerful than Dark side Dookie then I'll concede that point.

Wait...

How is Dooku > Mace when Mace > ROTS Sidious?

We don't need a statement. You said it yourself:

Blog can say one thing but the on screen visuals says he struggled.

Dooku lost to Anakin, who is weaker then Vader.

Anakin lost to Obi Wan, who is not on ROTS Sidious level as clarified by the literal wisest person in the galaxy.

ROTS Sidious lost to Mace... Who is above both Obi Wan, and Anakin.

Not only do we have visual evidence, we also have statements in between the fights about Ben which clarifies strength levels.

How do you even remotely get to Dooku > Mace based on this?

Mace isn't>ROTS Sidious where did you get that statement from?

No, in Lords of The Sith which is 5 years after ROTS is stated that Vader>Anakin.

Because Dooku is better than Mace it's not that hard to figure out. Mace over powered Sidious because of a force ability which allowed him to, it an assumption to say he will get the same boost from Dooku.

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Mace isn't>ROTS Sidious where did you get that statement from?

No, in Lords of The Sith which is 5 years after ROTS is stated that Vader>Anakin.

Because Dooku is better than Mace it's not that hard to figure out. Mace over powered Sidious because of a force ability which allowed him to, it an assumption to say he will get the same boost from Dooku.

The third prequel. You know, the one where Mace beats Sidious.

Force ability or not, it happened. You cant discount it because you don't like it, just like you did with the Sidious vs Maul + Savage... Lets not do that again. It made you look really dumb.

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Mace isn't>ROTS Sidious where did you get that statement from?

No, in Lords of The Sith which is 5 years after ROTS is stated that Vader>Anakin.

Because Dooku is better than Mace it's not that hard to figure out. Mace over powered Sidious because of a force ability which allowed him to, it an assumption to say he will get the same boost from Dooku.

The third prequel. You know, the one where Mace beats Sidious.

Force ability or not, it happened. You cant discount it because you don't like it, just like you did with the Sidious vs Maul + Savage... Lets not do that again. It made you look really dumb.

you know Mace had like 3-4 Masters to help in that fight.

Regardless Vader 5 years after ROTS>That Sidious anyway.