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#1 Edited by runekingthor98 (1512 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Naruto: Ashura Hashirama Senju, Sarutobi Minato Nagato and Naruto

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Team Sasuke: Indra Itachi Uchiha Obito Uchiha Shisui Uchiha Madara Uchiha and Sasuke Uchiha

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  • the battle takes place in a random forest
  • starting distance 100 meters
  • no prep for anyone
  • everyone is in they're prime example healthy itachi and nagato madara and hashirama when they were both alive ect
  • nartuo and sasuke are adults
  • win by ko or death
  • everyone is in character
  • obito pre war arc

who wins and why

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#3 Posted by KrleAvenger (26260 posts) - - Show Bio

At this point I have no idea.

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#6 Posted by LpnQ (3954 posts) - - Show Bio

Too many factors to determine. No feats for sage's sons and half those characters are hype and fan-calced..

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#7 Edited by thelocust619 (7854 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably the Uchihas.

With bonds being the overarching theme, I'd imagine most characters would pair with their counterparts, if for nothing else than practicality out of familiarity with their movesets.

-IIRC, Indra was more powerful at first but by the end of their lives Ashura grew in power through the bonds he formed, like Naruto, and overcame him. If that means he got some kinda nakama amp and became strong himself, then he should win. If it means he relied on others teaming up with him, he should get stomped. I honestly don't remember the specifics on these guys.

-Naruto>Sasuke at their peaks. He even held off freakin tailed-beast Sasuke even for a bit, that pretty much settles this. Current Naruto might not do as well due to stat degradation from all that desk jockeying. Still, Kurama shouldn't degrade at all, so with his full power Naruto should still have the advantage over Sauce without the tailed beasts

-Madara smokes Hash, no pun intended. He was his equal centuries ago, now he can beat him, an army, and then go on to nearly win a war (almost) by himself all in one night.

-Minto had a closer relationship with Obito, so they'd probably attract each other. And Obito would honestly prob win, he has advanced beyond the night Minato beat him while Minato did not get any better because he died.

-Sarutobi vs Shisui...coin flip? Feats vs hype, I pick feats

--This leaves us with (an exhausted) Naruto and Sarutobi vs Madara and Obito, and then whichever Sage son won. The Uchihas would have less damage/expendature so they'd probably win without factoring the Sage sons, so I'm inclined to think the outcome of their battle is the most important factor.

So it comes down to Ashura vs Indra, IMO

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#8 Posted by FreshFlintstone (1227 posts) - - Show Bio

If obito has dual MS he smashes nearly all of team Naruto

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#9 Posted by Insertnewname (1566 posts) - - Show Bio

Team naruto bc better synergy

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#10 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16977 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going with team Sasuke because of all that genjutsu.

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#11 Posted by Slayz (2236 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Sauce wins.

Kotoamatasuki takes out two of team Naruto right off the bat. Hell, it could even convert them to team Sauce. Then team Naruto gets obliterated by significantly stacked odds against them.

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#12 Posted by LokLegends (486 posts) - - Show Bio

Take Karuma away and Sasuke bitch slaps Naruto. The only reason Naruto is this strong is because he feeds off an external power source. That source is Kurama. Give Sasuke his own tailed beast and that will tip the scales well in favor

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#13 Posted by HeroUp2112 (18164 posts) - - Show Bio

Sadly, I know next to nothing about Naruto except what I learned years ago from my boys watching it yyyeaarrs ago, during which was what (I assume) was the first season or two.

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#14 Posted by LpnQ (3954 posts) - - Show Bio

Take Karuma away and Sasuke bitch slaps Naruto. The only reason Naruto is this strong is because he feeds off an external power source. That source is Kurama. Give Sasuke his own tailed beast and that will tip the scales well in favor

Okay, so get rid of sasgay's EMS and rinne-sharingan.

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#15 Edited by LokLegends (486 posts) - - Show Bio

@lpnq said:
@loklegends said:

Take Karuma away and Sasuke bitch slaps Naruto. The only reason Naruto is this strong is because he feeds off an external power source. That source is Kurama. Give Sasuke his own tailed beast and that will tip the scales well in favor

Okay, so get rid of sasgay's EMS and rinne-sharingan.

Except all uchihas develop the sharingan naturally. It's an innate ability they are basically born with.

Kurama is external entity that was sealed inside Naruto and gives him additional power to boost himself to higher levels. Two completely different things

You take away Sasuke's rinnegan, then we also take away Naruto six paths sage mode. You're left with an EMS Sasuke and Naruto+Kurama's powers. Again, give Sasuke his own Bijuu and he will easily surpass Naruto

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#16 Posted by TheVoidofDeath (2137 posts) - - Show Bio

Team two

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#17 Posted by LpnQ (3954 posts) - - Show Bio

@lpnq said:
@loklegends said:

Take Karuma away and Sasuke bitch slaps Naruto. The only reason Naruto is this strong is because he feeds off an external power source. That source is Kurama. Give Sasuke his own tailed beast and that will tip the scales well in favor

Okay, so get rid of sasgay's EMS and rinne-sharingan.

Except all uchihas develop the sharingan naturally. It's an innate ability they are basically born with.

Kurama is external entity that was sealed inside Naruto and gives him additional power to boost himself to higher levels. Two completely different things

You take away Sasuke's rinnegan, then we also take away Naruto six paths sage mode. You're left with an EMS Sasuke and Naruto+Kurama's powers. Again, give Sasuke his own Bijuu and he will easily surpass Naruto

Sasuke's EMS is still something he did not gain on his own. He had to use itachi's implants. If sasuke had his own bijuu he would not be able to control it the way naruto did. Forcing it by using MS is not as strong as developing full trust and a bond like kurama did with naruto.

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#18 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

Uchihas.

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#20 Posted by Chair-Sama (2281 posts) - - Show Bio

@lpnq said:
@loklegends said:
@lpnq said:
@loklegends said:

Take Karuma away and Sasuke bitch slaps Naruto. The only reason Naruto is this strong is because he feeds off an external power source. That source is Kurama. Give Sasuke his own tailed beast and that will tip the scales well in favor

Okay, so get rid of sasgay's EMS and rinne-sharingan.

Except all uchihas develop the sharingan naturally. It's an innate ability they are basically born with.

Kurama is external entity that was sealed inside Naruto and gives him additional power to boost himself to higher levels. Two completely different things

You take away Sasuke's rinnegan, then we also take away Naruto six paths sage mode. You're left with an EMS Sasuke and Naruto+Kurama's powers. Again, give Sasuke his own Bijuu and he will easily surpass Naruto

Sasuke's EMS is still something he did not gain on his own. He had to use itachi's implants. If sasuke had his own bijuu he would not be able to control it the way naruto did. Forcing it by using MS is not as strong as developing full trust and a bond like kurama did with naruto.

^exactly.

prime example is madara/obito with kurama.

naruto fighting with kurama? not only can he use kurama's chakra as his own but can send kurama off to fight his own battle with the trust that hes not going to stab him in the back.

where as an uchiha with kurama? as seen with obito and madara, once that genjutsu ends, then kurama is on a rampage and doesnt care who he tries to kill. he would end up taking out anybody he sees wether they are on the same team of not.

"You take away Sasuke's rinnegan, then we also take away Naruto six paths sage mode. You're left with an EMS Sasuke and Naruto+Kurama's powers. Again, give Sasuke his own Bijuu and he will easily surpass Naruto"

but the fact is, sasuke does not have his own bijuu. and having a bijuu, without knowing how to use it, does not give you the win.

want some examples?

1: madara. he had, at the time, the most powerful of ALL the uchiha abilities AND a bijuu, and STILL couldn't beat hashirama.

2. Obito had the 9 tails AND one of the most Hax sharingans ever, and STILL couldn't touch the 4th hokage and barely got what he wanted. and that was ONLY because minato cared more about his son and the future, then about beating obito.

3: Obito War arc had the rinnegan/Hax MS AND the other bijuu's as his 6 paths of pain. HE literally had 6 Bijuu's under his control. Still got outclassed by two Actual perfect jins, with naruto alone matching All of them twice.

4. Sasuke Vs naruto. you said give sasuke a bijuu? sasuke had 9 of them, all trapped, under his control and what happened? naruto, through not only kurama, but his completely mastery of Sage mode STILL matched and beat sasuke. sasuke again even sapped the power from kurama to get the kill shot, and naruto STILL managed to come out on top.

this isn't a power naruto just got one day when he was walking through the village. this was a literal demon sealed in side of him since he was a baby. its not like kurama was happy to give his chakra away. Naruto mostly used his own chakra and when he did use kurama's it was literally tearing him apart from the inside out, and like the MS, if he used it to much? it would cost him his life.

BUT lets assume he never had it?

Regardless, he is still an Uzumaki and still the son of the 4th hokage.

so take away the 9 tails and whats left? an uzumaki with INCREDIBLE Chakra reserves(See nagato or karin for examples of what THEY can do) and a child that would have been raised by one of the most powerful ninja the Hidden leaf ever had.

How much sooner do you think he would have learned to use the resengan or even possibly the FTG if he had minato around to teach him? How much chakra control do you think he would have if he had kashina, his mother and the 9tails jinchuriki to teach him?

and imagine if he NEVER had this seal on him in the first place, which was stated multiple times to be a big part of why his chakra control was so messed up to begin with?

you'd have a scary ninja regardless, essentially, you would have a ninja similar to what baruto is now.

sure sasukes sharingan is a bloodline trait, but you forget he also had a young itachi(already in the anbu) teaching him. he also had his father, one of the top dogs of the uchiha clan, teaching him. the kid was taught to use fire style while in the academy. he spent hours upon hours training in the forest with itachi or alone to be able to get to itachi's level. naruto didnt have ANY of that and STILL matched sasuke.

take away his handicap of a horrible demon/no chakra control AND give him the Yellow flash/jiraiya as a teacher from day 1 and id bet he would STILL be able to match sasuke.

But back on topic.

Team naruto takes this.

We know, for a fact that in the past these battles went this way:

Asura > Indra.

Hashirama > madara (he even had the 9 tails in this one lmao)

minato > obito (take away the fact that the village was being slaughtered and his wife about to die and his baby being there, he was clearly superior)

Nagato > itachi. \

these guys never fought pre-edo, and both were sickly pre-edo. but going on there edo fight nagato was throwing around a edo itachi WITH two perfect jin as back up. . on top of that, threads on CV previously have usually shown nagato outclasses itachi, on top of nagato having lots of info on itachi, while the reverse is not so true.

sarutobi vs Shusui- this one is a wild card. id give this to shusui with low difficulty.

now naruto vs sasuke? in canon we know:

Naruto > sasuke.

so if everything played out this way? its going to be Nagato/hashirama/asura and naruto on shusui. shusui is good, but even he isn't going to be able to take them all out.

and all of this is backed up but the series itself.

its ironic to see people say things like, indra > asura or that madara would beat hashirama. when neither happened to begin with.

Take Karuma away and Sasuke bitch slaps Naruto. The only reason Naruto is this strong is because he feeds off an external power source. That source is Kurama. Give Sasuke his own tailed beast and that will tip the scales well in favor

soo...when sasuke was hoooked up with 8 full form bijuu's AND the other HALF of kurama, why didnt he bitch slap naruto? was it because naruto got lucky? or was it because of all his hard work and not only mastering his bond with kurama but his Utter complete mastery of sage mode?

Even without kurama, Sage mode alone lets him compete with sasuke. the took out 5/6 pains with JUST sage mode. don't act like hes just a kid using kurama.

sasuke had his chance with realistically and infinite amount of chakra more then naruto (naruto had half a bijuu, sasuke had 8 1/2 bijuu's), a rinnegan AND an EMS + Perfect sussano, and he STILL lost and it happened in a fair fight.

you guys keep saying "give sasuke a bijuu" the dude had 8 and he was still incompetent. like what is your logic? what is he going to do with 1 bijuu that he could NOT do with 8? seriously?

thats like saying, give madara a bijuu and he would stomp hashirama.....oh wait he STILL lost too. and so did obito.

huh ironic isn't it?

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#22 Edited by deactivated-5c7e1b5f631f5 (1472 posts) - - Show Bio

Chair-sama really trying to be the greatest debater of all time

@chair-sama doing any cavs atm?

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#23 Edited by poosamjam (62 posts) - - Show Bio

Which version of madara? If madara has both rinnegan and Hashis cells he can solo minato and sarutobi and hashi. If it's Eman madara it can go both ways against him and hashi. In an all out fight I say it's a stalemate. But if Shizuoka decides to use kotoamatsuki, it's over. If madara has hashis cells, he'll take shisui's eye and boost the regen on kotoamatsuki and control everyone lol

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#24 Posted by roller4312 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

Teams Sasuke easily wins.
Also there is too much duplication.

Nagato's eyes are Madara's(present in the team)
Naruto's biju is Madara's(present in the team)
Naruto's connection to Hagoromo powerup is through dead Ashura(present in the team)
Sarutobi, Minato - smart but generic shinobi

Tbh the only one in team Natuto who should put out a fight is Hashirama everyone else will be rolfstomped instantly.

Team Sasuke is stronger by definition, because they emphasize individual skill, where Team Naturo thinks unity of people is strength, except the people are not here. Not that they were ever a factor, which i find a bit ironic.

With duplication allowed, the outcome will depend on what we consider "alive in his prime". Madara, alive, the moment he is betrayed, is a Madara with Rinnegan, Hashirama cells and TenTails.

but in any case, there is too much sharingan on team sasuke and they all have hax powers.

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#25 Posted by Chair-Sama (2281 posts) - - Show Bio

Teams Sasuke easily wins.

Also there is too much duplication.

please Read OP.

Nagato's eyes are Madara's(present in the team)

This version of madara does not have rinnegan. either way Nagato has rinnegan and madara has EMS.

Naruto's biju is Madara's(present in the team)

regardless Naruto has had 9 tails since birth. this is alive madara and no mention of him having it in this fight. and its not "madara's" bijuu. the 9 tails was roaming free at that point, madara merely found him and took control based on the writings of the uchiha tablet.

Naruto's connection to Hagoromo powerup is through dead Ashura(present in the team)

his connection yes, but other then that, the actual chakra he received was not asura's it was hagomoro's himself. just like sasukes was form the sot6P not from indra himself.

Sarutobi, Minato - smart but generic shinobi

sarutobi is mehh, hes old, but minato is FAR from a generic shinobi lmao. Surpasses the second hokage AND the raikage in speed, excluding sasukes teleportation he is arguably the fastest person in this battle and the original master of the resengan. he outclassed obito in a battle Against him WITH the 9 tails destroying his village and trying to kill his family. With NO pre-knowledge on his abilities.

even in the war hes proven himself to be able to handle battle with juubito and Juubidara and prove useful. he is FAR form generic,

Tbh the only one in team Natuto who should put out a fight is Hashirama everyone else will be rolfstomped instantly.

and hashirama, going by the people in this battle, outclasses EVERY single one of them.

Team Sasuke is stronger by definition, because they emphasize individual skill, where Team Naturo thinks unity of people is strength, except the people are not here. Not that they were ever a factor, which i find a bit ironic.

so naruto who beat sasuke on panel is not stronger?

so minato who beat obito on panel is not stronger?

so nagato, who by a MASSIVE amount of feat putting him higher then most of the uchiha team is not stronger?

With duplication allowed, the outcome will depend on what we consider "alive in his prime". Madara, alive, the moment he is betrayed, is a Madara with Rinnegan, Hashirama cells and TenTails.

OP specifically stated "madara and hashirama when they were both alive each" since hashirama has not been alive since his fight with madara, he made it clear exactly which versions he wanted in this fight.

but in any case, there is too much sharingan on team sasuke and they all have hax powers.

and every single member of the Naruto team has fought sharingan users, Excluding nagato(who has the rinnegan himself) and saratobi(who has literally spent his life fighting along side the entire clan, who at the very least would have a basic knowledge of how the sharingan works)

and EVERY single one of them has won their respective fights.

again the logic that the uceiha's win simply because they have the sharingan(when it never gave them the win in the past) is completely illogical and the feats of these characters speak for themselves.

Explain how madara is putting hashirama down alone, when he couldn't with the 9 tails.

Explain how sasuke alone is putting down naruto when sasuke couldn't with ALL 9 bijuu's.

Explain how Obito is putting minato down when minato has proven that he cant even be touched him.

explain how ANY of the remaining of them are putting nagato down when nagato is alive, healthy AND has both rinnegans.

sarutobi is probably going down. he is old and despite his vast number of justus is not going to do much. which leaves the odd ball shusui who can be literally blitzed by Naruto/minato/hashirama with ease.

Minato alone could arguably blitz anybody on the uchiha team other then Rinnegan sasuke, and lets face it, Rinnegan sasuke could NOT put naruto down With the extra bijuu's when naruto had ONLY half of kurama. adult naruto has Full form kurama now and sasuke has NO bijuu's.

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#26 Posted by WordWarrior (1084 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Uchiha due to genjutsu hax. Shisui and Itachi is vicious to add onto the likes of Madara, Obito, and Sasuke (who sometimes uses genjutsu).

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#27 Edited by Chair-Sama (2281 posts) - - Show Bio

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Chair-sama really trying to be the greatest debater of all time

@chair-sama doing any cavs atm?

Nope not at the moment. honestly, I've never done a CAV.

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Which version of madara? If madara has both rinnegan and Hashis cells he can solo minato and sarutobi and hashi.

agreed their. sadly its not, but he probably could solo minato and sarutobi, and then beat hashi in a long fight IF he did have both rinnegans, which again, he doesnt.

If it's Eman madara it can go both ways against him and hashi.

normally id agree, but madara struggled against hashi WITH the kyuubi. without the kyuubi i don't see him getting past This:

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and personally, if madara loses to this, not a single member of the uchiha team has the feats to put this thing down, with the single exception of Rinnegan sasuke *possibly*, i say possibly because his PS has been shown to be roughly equal to Madera's and even madara's barely survived, and that considering he used it WITH the kyuubi too. so that possibly leaves sasuke who can stand in its way and he can arguably be matched by naruto( ill admit its a pretty even fight between them, even without sasuke having the bijuu's, for arguments sake)

I mean, for a reference of size, just look at its head. on top of the Buddha's head? thats the Wood Golem+wood dragon sitting on it.

The wood dragon and golem alone rival a Bijuu/Perfect sussano in size, so if it came down to it, Wood Golem + Wood dragon hop off With some hashirama Wood clones to tag team sasuke with naruto, while the remaining True Thousands Hands Buddh'a single handedly destroys the entire uchiha team.

this probably leaves obito alive(intangible) with him against naruto and hashirama(and thats assuming asura/nagato/sarutobi and minato are already dead, with asura being equal or greater then naruto in power, and minato being the fastest person here by feats, which makes this alone very unlikely)

obito has hax, but alone he does not have nearly the level of power to put a adult naruto or hashirama down.

In an all out fight I say it's a stalemate. But if Shizuoka decides to use kotoamatsuki, it's over.

but who would he use it on? i mean, if minato decides to blitz him or gets a tag on him? its over for him, he has not a single durability feat to suggest he would survive a Oudama resengan to the face, or god help him if naruto has a shadow clone launch a Meteor busting TBB resenshuriken against him. the dude got a smack down from danzo of all people, hes not as much of a threat as people think he is, especially if he cant even keep up with more then half the team as it is.

If madara has hashis cells, he'll take shisui's eye and boost the regen on kotoamatsuki and control everyone lol

now this is a good point. if madara has hashi cells(which op is basically saying he does not, as he did not have hashi cells until AFTER he used izanagi in their fight) then he could do this and be OP. but he doesnt so unfortunately this wouldn't happen.

logically he could also steal an eye from obito, or trade, and be even more OP. thats more logical and actually in character.

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#28 Edited by roller4312 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

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"Ashura> Indra."
No it was Ashura + Hagoromo + 100's of villagers > Indra. Barely.
Ashura alone loses.

"Hashirama > madara"
It was hashirama's chakra draining dragon > madara, which Madara will have the luxury of not fighting, being in the group now. Plus it remains a question of whether losing was not part of his plan anyway. And Madara got heavily upgraded since then.

"sarutobi vs Shusui- this one is a wild card."
there nothing wild cardish here.
Shusui wins.

"minato > obito"
Minato outsmarted Obito. And would do it again, but not this time because Team Sasuke has tacticians on the team now who would lead Obito into victory.
Obito wins.

"Nagato > itachi"
Itachi strength is tactics. He will probably not even participate much. Instead he(and Madara) will lead others to victory. Edo Nagato himself said his weakness is that he is slow. And that's a death sentence against a team with that much power like Team Sasuke.
Itachi wins.

"Naruto > sasuke."
That would be only technically correct. The question is how much of it is the result of Kishimoto wanting to continue the series and not end it. Thematically Naruto should die, as he was prophesied to do and agreed to do. It's just a plot win. In a plotshackles free enviroment
Sasuke wins.

And as a team all of Team Sasuke will support each other. Team Naruto's only team skill is Minato's teleport.

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"his connection yes, but other then that, the actual chakra he received was not asura's it was hagomoro's himself"
The reason Hagoromo made contact with Naruto to give him power is Ashura's spirit or charka. It would be an incredible coincidence if that was just a random accident.

"minato is FAR from a generic shinobi lmao. Surpasses the second hokage AND the raikage in speed"
And neither are present, and if they would i would classify them as generic as well, because of what they facing, it's not a chunin exam after all.

Madara is not going down to Hashirama because he likely will not even fight Hashirama, not a choice in an 1on1, but now Team Sasuke will send the most suitable opponent, who would disable or take control over Hashirama's dragon from range. Likely Shuisui.

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#29 Posted by DeathHero61 (18685 posts) - - Show Bio

Take Karuma away and Sasuke bitch slaps Naruto. The only reason Naruto is this strong is because he feeds off an external power source. That source is Kurama. Give Sasuke his own tailed beast and that will tip the scales well in favor

So much salt and wrong in this comment. It's that very same power source that literally nobody else in history who has used it has mastered like Naruto has. By that logic literally no Tail Beast User deserves recognition for the feats they have with their tailed beast. That's like saying Wally West is only fast because of the speed force and without it he would never beat so and so.

Take away the eyes that Sasuke stole, take away the power ups he gained from Itachi and Orochimaru, take away the many sharigan related amps he received, and Sasuke wouldn't even beat Sakura. Stop being salty.

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#30 Edited by roller4312 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

indeed it's all wrong, Naruto's strength is his determination, and this causes external power sources to be drawn to him like a magnet. If Sasuke is given the Ninetails, he will escape back to Naruto. Sasuke instead developed his own skills. So it's time invested vs time invested still. Ultimately the sharingan allows control of the tailed beasts so Sasuke is on the winning track here. As he should be because he represents individual skill. It would be strange if Naruto could beat him 1on1 and it never happened, short of some plot enforced stalemates.

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#31 Edited by Chair-Sama (2281 posts) - - Show Bio

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"Ashura> Indra."

No it was Ashura + Hagoromo + 100's of villagers > Indra. Barely.

Ashura alone loses.

"Hashirama > madara"

It was hashirama's chakra draining dragon > madara, which Madara will have the luxury of not fighting, being in the group now. Plus it remains a question of whether losing was not part of his plan anyway. And Madara got heavily upgraded since then.

this is madara from that time frame. this is NOT an upgraded madara. GO READ THE OP.

and why would he not be fighting the dragon? he would be against the dragon, the golem, AND the true thousand hands buddha. yea this guy:

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This is one of hashirama's techniques. the OP is not limiting it so explain WHY he cant use it?

he barely beat this WITH the kyuubi, which he does not have in this fight.

you are not giving reason on why madara would be able to overcome this when he barely could WITH the kyuubi.

AGAIN people really need to read the OP. OP specifically states the version of madara is when madara and Hashirama were BOTH alive.

so unless @runekingthor98 wants to specifically state its the Most recent (rinnegan/hashicells) then there is absolutely nothing to show he has an ability to beat hashirama this time.

and as for his plan? is plan was to get hashirama cells and he had to use izanagi just to survive the fight to begin with lmao. if he was capable of stomping hashirama, why didnt he just kill him and take his whole body?

a whole body of cells > a mouth full he spit up.

"sarutobi vs Shusui- this one is a wild card."

there nothing wild cardish here.

Shusui wins. i don't doubt this. so this leave shusui here.

"minato > obito"

Minato outsmarted Obito. And would do it again, but not this time because Team Sasuke has tacticians on the team now who would lead Obito into victory.

Obito wins.

lmao. thats not a reason. so when EVERYBODY is currently in equal fights with their partner, who is going to stop minato from throwing another Oudama resengan at obito? he was able to hit and tag him once and AGAIN this was WHILE he was distracted with the kyuubi literally slaughter his village and his wife/kid left open and chained up.

do you think he would even hesitate to focus on obito and get serious if he didnt have the lives of tens of thousands of people he was trying to also focus on?

he was literally torn between should he save the village and wife from the 9 tails? or should he stop the masked man in front of him?

in this fight? theres one option. stomp obito and move on.

"Nagato > itachi"

Itachi strength is tactics. He will probably not even participate much. Instead he(and Madara) will lead others to victory. Edo Nagato himself said his weakness is that he is slow. And that's a death sentence against a team with that much power like Team Sasuke.

Itachi wins.

so again, you didnt even give a reason on why itahci wins. you said itahci will not even participate but then give him the win?

sure nagato is slow but hes also not being touched by itachi. hes shown that amaterasu doesnt work against him(shinra tensei) and any other ninjutsu(fire style and the like) are useless(preta path)

he has DC that absolutely destroys itachi(it took the combined effort of Killer Bee, Naruto AND EDO itachi to stop him) and can use his 6 paths of pain on any fallen team mates. so when sarutobi falls? guess who gets a Extra Pain to use.

his summons are haxed and even itachi was struggling against them. i don't doubt itachi would be hard to put down. but when its itachi vs Nagato and The true thousands hands buddha comes stomping over, what is itahci going to do? use his yata mirror? lmao.

"Naruto > sasuke."

That would be only technically correct. The question is how much of it is the result of Kishimoto wanting to continue the series and not end it. Thematically Naruto should die, as he was prophesied to do and agreed to do. It's just a plot win. In a plotshackles free enviroment

Sasuke wins.

WHAT?

by feats alone naruto far surpassed sasuke. the fact that you say sasuke wins, when literally the canon proves other wise, is absolutely mind boggling. again sasuke had 8 full bijuu and a half of kurama to use and could not kill naruto. there is absolutely nothing to suggest he could do it without that. naruto still has kurama and he still has his master of sage mode, two things that not only does sasuke NOT have but will easily give naruto the win.

And as a team all of Team Sasuke will support each other. Team Naruto's only team skill is Minato's teleport.

and narato's team won't support each other?

minato wont support his son? or his former teacher/hokage?

nagato won't help his own "sibling disciple"?

anruto won't help his father, old man hokage or his sibling disciple himself?

hashirama won't help everybody? not even his old student sarutobi?

and you say minato is the Only skill? so wood style and hands free instant healing isn't skill?

Narutos Super Beast bomb rasenshuriken, something heralded as one of the greatest ninjustus isn't a huge skill?

COMPLETE mastery over sage mode, something even jiraiya, the legendary skilled ninja couldn't do, isn't a big skill? are you serious?

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"his connection yes, but other then that, the actual chakra he received was not asura's it was hagomoro's himself"

The reason Hagoromo made contact with Naruto to give him power is Ashura's spirit or charka. It would be an incredible coincidence if that was just a random accident.

and the same could be said for sasuke.......literally the EXACT same reason was be cause he was the reincarnation of indra. what is your point?

take it away from naruto and you would ALSO have to take away sasukes rinnegan too........

"minato is FAR from a generic shinobi lmao. Surpasses the second hokage AND the raikage in speed"

And neither are present, and if they would i would classify them as generic as well, because of what they facing, it's not a chunin exam after all.

lol. so the second hokage, somebody able to outsmart juubito and hang with the god tiers was generic. k.

the guy who beat madara's little brother in open combat. k.

Madara is not going down to Hashirama because he likely will not even fight Hashirama,

if madara or indra don't take on hashirama, then their team is done for. hashirama is arguably the single strongest person in this entire battle, debatably equal to Adult naruto/sasuke and probably easily tied with asura and indra. madara is not stupid, he knows these other uchiha (itachi/shusui/obito) cant hurt him. and if they fail to genjutsu him? they are dead.

imagine itachi trying to genjtusu hashirama, to find out its a wood clone. you know what would happen? this:

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the only difference is, the second he tries this on a wood clone, Any one of hashirama's techniques will come in and easily kill him.

not a choice in an 1on1, but now Team Sasuke will send the most suitable opponent, who would disable or take control over Hashirama's dragon from range. Likely Shuisui.

did you just suggest shusui taking out hashirama?

give me a single feat to suggest he could even touch hashirama. Lol at him trying to genjutsu a wood clone or trying to make eye contact while hashirama is thousands of feet in the air, on top of his Buddha, on top of the wood golem. if he even got close to hashirama hes getting Speed blitzed faster then he can comprehend.

Shusui got manhandled by Danzo.

The same danzo who got stomped by MS sasuke when he had 10 eyes for izanagi(after sasuke got knocked around by 4 different kages and nearly killed by the Raikage, if it hadn't been for gaara stepping in)

essentially you are saying that hashirama is under Danzo/MS sasuke in power?

not a single thing shusui has ever done is even close to being able to even touch somebody like naruto or minato, let alone Hashirama, the ninja god, the single strongest ninja in the history of the ninja world.

1 izanagi and a few anbu were enough to put shusui on the ropes.

10 izanagi and 4 pages were still not enough to stop MS sasuke from killing danzo.

his Eye is hax, but if he can not use it, what is going to happen? naruto knows how to fight teleports, as does hashirama(his brother literally invented teleportation justus) and minato is one of the most prolific FTG/telportation users in the series, even surpassing the second himself, using it to outwit obito and juubito, and intercept attacks from Juubidara/tentails and the 9tails.

And whats to literally stop naruto from instantly blowing shusui away with a meteor busting attack? if were being strategic naruto alone could literally instantly blow away most of the uchiha team who who cant go intangible use PS(shusui, obito, possibly even itachi since even he doesnt have a Perfect sussano).

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#32 Posted by Chair-Sama (2281 posts) - - Show Bio

indeed it's all wrong, Naruto's strength is his determination, and this causes external power sources to be drawn to him like a magnet. If Sasuke is given the Ninetails, he will escape back to Naruto. Sasuke instead developed his own skills. So it's time invested vs time invested still. Ultimately the sharingan allows control of the tailed beasts so Sasuke is on the winning track here. As he should be because he represents individual skill. It would be strange if Naruto could beat him 1on1 and it never happened, short of some plot enforced stalemates.

dude....sasuke at one point HAD the 9 tails. he also had the 8 tails, 7 tails 6 tails all the way down to the 1 tails under this control. and he STILL LOST. at this point you are literally making stuff up for the sake of not wanting to admit that sasuke would be beat.

take away naruto's 9 tails and he is still a uzumaki(insane chakra levels) and a master of Sage mode. even more so WITHOUT kurama because kurama poses a problem for sage mode just by existing inside of him. naruto has an infinite amount of chakra he needs to compensate for with sage mode.

sage mode alone puts him on Ms sasuke level, and allowed him to beat 5/6 of the 6 paths of pain alone.

explain how mastering sage mode, something that even jiraiya/orochimaru couldn't fully do, is something that was drawn to him like a magnet? he had to bust his ass to train to gain that ability.

on top of this. do you not understand how hard it was to gain control of the kyuubi? not only did he literally have to beat the 9 tails in OPEN COMBAT, WITHOUT the kyuubi's chakra, but then had to focus on his control other wise kurama would steal it back and basically kill naruto.

sasuke gained his sharingan sure, but he also was trained by orochimaru, absorbed him/took itachi's eyes when he went blind, and got a free power up from the Sot6p.

so individual power? kk. lets take sage mode naruto(no kyuubi, so all his feats from the pain fight, up until hinata stepped in) vs base sharingan sasuke(with feats up until he absorbed orochimaru) and see who wins right?

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#33 Edited by Vertigo- (17683 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure Shisui, Indra and Asura actually lack canon feats.... unless new material came out in which they got feats? I stopped following Naruto once Shippuden ended tbh

That said, from everyone who has actual feats, I'll back team Uchiha

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#34 Edited by roller4312 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@chair-sama:"OP specifically states the version of madara is when madara and Hashirama were BOTH alive."
"Both" refers to the alive part, not to the simultaneousity of it. Example: "Charles Dickens and J.K Rowling are BOTH great writers" Alive Madara at the prime of his abilities and lifegoals is a Madara with Rinnegan, TenTails, and Hashirama's abilities including the summon and regeneration.

"WHAT?"
It this that much of a revelation that Naruto is supposed to die to Sasuke? The great toad sage prophesied it. Naruto accepted his fate. Canon that and canon this, but the only reason Naruto is alive is so Boruto and the movies could happen and sell. In real life. Same reason there is so much filler in anime too.

"minato wont support his son?"
Support means "skills that work and benefit each other" Team Uchiha has complete battle field coverage with Sharingan by definition and they can, to a certain degree, always fight a 5vs1 battle, and, say, just ignore Sarutobi and there is nothing he can do about it.

".literally the EXACT same reason was be cause he was the reincarnation of indra. what is your point?"
My point is if duplication is kept to a sane level then Naruto is not amped, nor does he have the Ninetails, neither is Sasuke admittedly, but he has ton of other tools to use. Not that i'm against either, but it should be clarified.

edit: "so again, you didnt even give a reason on why itahci wins. you said itahci will not even participate but then give him the win?"
I don't have to. Itachi in particular, and team Uchiha in general, will fight as a team, not as individuals, and have the tools to fight as a team, this simply won't be a 5x 1on1. But rather resemble a battle with Pain. team Naruto will be overwhelmed. Not only because most of them are weaker but also because of hotheads on their team. Naruto will charge and die and that's it for example.

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#35 Posted by KingZod (3914 posts) - - Show Bio

As long as this is comic vine the Uchiha's will win 10/10. And since this has surprisingly not been stated, I'll do the honors.

Genjutsu. GG

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#36 Posted by Realzy (37 posts) - - Show Bio

it all comes down to which madara six paths or rinnegsn or sharingan because the top Naruto got Sasuke Indra got ashura

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#37 Posted by Helloman (28515 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Uchiha wins.

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#39 Posted by Basemanjack (177 posts) - - Show Bio

There's absolutely no way the uchihas could win this fight

One time to Chair-sama

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#40 Posted by coolang4 (75 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1.

Ashura == Indra

Hashirama > Madara

Minato > Obito

Naruto > Sasuke

We only saw a glimpse of prime Nagato (albeit under the control of Kabuto), but he's OP as hell. I dare say he's quite a lot stronger than Itachi (fanboys will disagree).

Since you said everyone is their prime example, then I'm going to say that Hiruzen > Shisui too.

People thinking the Uchihas are winning this are crazy.

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#41 Edited by Omega_kai (3162 posts) - - Show Bio

I just wanted to comment on how pictures awesome the pictures in the OP look.

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#42 Posted by The_Stern_ritter (566 posts) - - Show Bio

@coolang4 said:

Team 1.

Ashura == Indra

Hashirama > Madara

Minato > Obito

Naruto > Sasuke

We only saw a glimpse of prime Nagato (albeit under the control of Kabuto), but he's OP as hell. I dare say he's quite a lot stronger than Itachi (fanboys will disagree).

Since you said everyone is their prime example, then I'm going to say that Hiruzen > Shisui too.

People thinking the Uchihas are winning this are crazy.

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#43 Posted by The_Stern_ritter (566 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingzod said:

As long as this is comic vine the Uchiha's will win 10/10. And since this has surprisingly not been stated, I'll do the honors.

Genjutsu. GG

Wrong.

Naruto has kurama to break him out. Also has sage mode, which allows him to sense his surroundings without directly looking at the person.

Hashirama is a perfect sage, he doesn't need to see while fighting(similar to kabuto). I doubt genjutsu would be a problem, he fought Madara multiple times and never once was he caught in genjutsu

Nagato likely counters it because he has the stronger dojutsu, but again he doesn't even need to open his eyes while fighting as he has his lizard who can see for him, or he could use his sensing that was on par with sage mode sensors.

Ashrua has six paths sage mode, he wouldn't need to look at their eyes anyways.

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#44 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16977 posts) - - Show Bio

@coolang4: @the_stern_ritter:

This isn't a 6 1v1s, it's a team fight. The Uchiha's have less raw power but more OP hax. Also if Madara has his six paths powers he would arguably be the MVP and be immortal.

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#45 Posted by coolang4 (75 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: Team fight:

The best leaders in the history of shinobi vs a bunch of selfish Uchihas

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#46 Edited by The_Stern_ritter (566 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss said:

@coolang4: @the_stern_ritter:

This isn't a 6 1v1s, it's a team fight. The Uchiha's have less raw power but more OP hax. Also if Madara has his six paths powers he would arguably be the MVP and be immortal.

Alive Madara didn't have six paths powers. He's likely talking about VOTE Madara, as the op didn't say six paths but it said alive Madara.

Also not sure what hax could give them the win. Their genjutsu already gets countered by sage mode sensing and via partner method, so uchiha's get stomped.

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#47 Edited by AlexTheBoss (16977 posts) - - Show Bio

@coolang4 said:

@alextheboss: Team fight:

The best leaders in the history of shinobi vs a bunch of selfish Uchihas

Shisui and Itachi will most likely have the best synergy here, also Obito and Madara work well together. None of team 1 even has experience fighting with each other besides Naruto and his dad for like a couple of hours.

Also everyone is in character. That's a massive disadvantage for team 1.

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#48 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16977 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss said:

@coolang4: @the_stern_ritter:

This isn't a 6 1v1s, it's a team fight. The Uchiha's have less raw power but more OP hax. Also if Madara has his six paths powers he would arguably be the MVP and be immortal.

Alive Madara didn't have six paths powers. He's likely talking about VOTE Madara, as the op didn't say six paths but it said alive Madara.

Also not sure what hax could give them the win. Their genjutsu already gets countered by sage mode sensing and via partner method, so uchiha's get stomped.

Actually Madara was alive when he had the six paths powers. And I agree the OP probably just means EMS Madara.

The thing is I think Sarutobe will get taken out the quickest, leading to someone, probably either Minato or Nagaot getting 2 on oned and getting taken out.

Also a big factor is that everyone is in character. This is a HUGE advantage to the Uchiha side. Make team 1 bloodlusted and a lot of things would change.

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#49 Posted by Captaimshazam (271 posts) - - Show Bio

Genjutsu take out Ashura Saurtobi, Ashura, Maybe Minato, The Sharingan team should win.

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#50 Posted by Nufious (611 posts) - - Show Bio

Take Karuma away and Sasuke bitch slaps Naruto. The only reason Naruto is this strong is because he feeds off an external power source. That source is Kurama. Give Sasuke his own tailed beast and that will tip the scales well in favor

Sasuke absorbed the power of the bijuus and still couldn't take down Naruto