VS
Rules:
- All is bloodlusted
- Chakra=/=Reiatsu
- All at their strongest
- All Feats
- Perfect Teamwork
- 1 day prep/ basic knowledge on each other
- Wins by Death or K.O.
Team Naruto vs Elite Sternitter
Gremmy imagines that Naruto and Sasuke are no where near the strength they are believed to be at on comicvine and squashes them after turning them into cookies.
But I don't think gremmy is part if the ELITE so it doesn't matter.
In b4 moon level or planet level AP
It doesn’t need speed feats. They wouldn’t know it’s coming and they can’t see it coming.
Concession accepted then. Opponent is completely unable to show speed feats for the character he is debating and not adding anything relevant in the discussion proving that they would not be able to see attacks that could be seen fatigued Kyoraku. Lille also will not see Genjutsu coming if we go by that logic, plus yes they can see it coming, just like Shunsui could see it coming 2 times(fatigued btw).
By the time they figure that out, it would be too late. Not to mention, they would also receive damage from gerard’s Sword.
No, if they have basic knowledge of their opponents, that means they are already aware that Lille has Intag. therefore is a basic knowledge, not something complex to deduce and they have their means to counter, Naruto can touch intangible objects and Sasuke could Genjutsu him cuz he has no illusion resistance feats independent of his physical intangible that doesn't grants him TP resistance, even without knowledge someone can deduce that he is intangible by simple attacking him and phasing through him, and Team has basic knowledge about Gerard, they would be careful with the sword, Naruto for example can destroy the sword with his clones making the clones receive damage, and even if he damage the sword with his attacks Naruto has the ability to heal damage from himself and others, he healed Shikamaru in the War Arc with the Kyuubi Cloak and healed Sasuke as well in the Boruto Movie, as well could heal holes and wounds in his body while using the Kyuubi's chakra, plus, if Team is aware that Gerard can grow in size with damage, they have like no reason to try to attack him with physical attacks(this would damage him increasing his power) Sasuke would simple genjutsu him just like he effortless genjutsu'd the 9 Bijuus at the same time and seal him with CT.
Sasuke wouldn’t know to do that seeing as his attacks are invisible(unless it’s tronpete), and he’ll be too busy spamming attacks.
Wtf ? Lille's attacks at his strongest form are visible and more powerful, you can see that when he regenerated and was fighting Kyoraku that his attacks have a physical form, Sasuke and Naruto would obviously see that thing, and is completely IC for Sasuke to use Amenotejikara and switch places with his opponent or with attacks.
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If you say so, but then I can also say that Aizen can do the same thing based on how he removed the hogyoku from rukia. Now do you see how that sounds?
It seems okay if Hogyoku have intangible effects, plus, Aizen never faced Lille to being with, lmao.
It was a ball of chakra that shot into his body.
Yep, a ball of chakra that phased through his cloth and body not harming only absorbing his chakra and that did the same with Hinata, therefore is something intangible just like are souls in the verse.
As I’ve said, that’s how the jigokudo technique works. Konohamaru and another leaf ninja could also feel their souls with their mouths as it was ripped out of them.
You better stop right here, Jigokudo(Naraka Path) and Ningendo(Human Path) are 2 different techniques, ones summons the King of Hell to see who is saying the truth or not killing those who are lying taking away their souls(you can only see the KoH when the user touch you) and one allows you to extract their souls by touching their bodies, 2 different functions, used by 2 different paths, plus feel=/=touch it, the feat is not like Naruto who touched a soul and could touch 2 times an intangible orb.
Headcanon
Translation: ''I have no counter your arguments so I will throw my denials card'' Unless you provide some worthy reading post, Naruto still stomping the overrated Lille with no difficult, and since I brought 3 different stances where he could interact with intangible objects and even add intangible properties to his arm for a brief moment, I will still using the feat, you either bring a actual argument or stop wasting my time please ;)
based on one event that was never ever replicated in the series.
He never faced anyone that can use intangible attacks after that, lmao.
Konohamaru could also feel his soul(in the form of his tongue) leaving his body. Are you going to say he can also do the same?
2 Different stances, Konohamaru could feel his soul, Naruto could touch his soul and later in the movie interact with an intangible orb 2 times, so no, Konohamaru can't do the same cuz unlike Naruto he couldn't touch his own soul neither touched something intangible in any moment of the series.
I’m not sure why this matters anyways. He was the first one that Nagato attempted to use the technique on in that manner. The only other person was shininess and she never got that chance to pull on it due to her position.
Although you have a point here, I fail to see how this change the feat anyway.
Yet there have been several other instances of these same naruto characters being unable to see souls.
That's cool, not sure how this changes anything since Souls in Naruto are still intangible anyway, plus this don't change the fact Naruto could interact 2 times with an intangible object and even turn his arm intangible for a brief moment.
Yet no one could see Pain pulling the souls out of his victims or see the shikei Fujin or its victim’s souls. Or how no one can see the souls of dead people leaving their bodies in the same way.
The Rinnegan abilities that manipulate souls were only visible by those touched by the user of the technique, I don't see how this changes anything I said specially when the souls always showed intangible properties both stances, and like I said, Naruto could touch his own soul and later touch an intangible orb while turning his arm intangible briefly, so, meh.
Then you agree then, that naruto can rip out people’s souls.
Nope, your reading abilities are worse than your debate skills, touch intangible objects and soul manipulation are 2 different abilities, Naruto could only touch a soul when that soul was present in the human world not in the spiritual one(nothing proving he has the ability to interact with this realm by will), it doesn't mean he can just like the Rinnegan bring those things to the human world, it simple means he has the ability to touch Intangible objects.
Seeing as they’re intangible and he could touch them.
When they were present in the human world, yes what about it ? Touch intangible objects and manipulate or destroy souls are not even the same thing.
And you also agree that naruto can go intangible based on what he did to hinata if he goes into full KCM mode.
Nope, I agree that he can turn certain parts of his body intangible briefly which he accomplished on panel, but there is nothing proving Naruto can use this ability on his body as a whole, he so far only managed to accomplish with his arm, plus in case you are not aware, Naruto didn't phased through Hinata's body with KCM, he focused his chakra on his hand without need to transform, you can see that unlike when he transforms, the bandages he had on his artificial arm are still visible, which does not happen when he uses KCM, he just engulfed his arm with the chakra.
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An ability that was never replicated ever again
He interact with the orb 2 times, turn his arm intangible briefly and interact with souls(Intangible things) before, which means more than one stance, try to find a better argument for your lack of rebuttal, your overrated Lille is sadly not impressive as you think :/
while also remaining unexplained.
Could care less, is common in anime people use abilities that have like no explanation, it simple means he can turn his own body intangible, Lille also without explanation managed to regenerate himself, and I never see anyone complain about it, the complains only happen when it comes to the Naruto side ?
All for the sake of plot. It’s that simple.
Irrelevant, it is an ability that he managed to accomplish on panel and is consistent with other stances accomplished by himself, following this logic, Aizen is not even strong as his Monster Aizen version since he got stronger by no reason at the Muken, lmao, is gonna be need more than a random bleach highballer on the internet to convince me that the feat was plot, even if it is, since it is consistent with 2 other stances I pretend to continue use the feat.
KCM has never been shown phasing through anything else ever in the series.
He did, in the movie, tries to find a better argument than plot or stop wasting my time Mr. i don't need to show speed feats.
If you can’t accept that it’s plot then also consider that in the same movie he falls under a genjutsu despite containing several bijuus to wake him up.
Certain genjutsu can work on Jinchuurikis, the Mizukage was controlled by Obito for a long time despite the fact he was an Jinchuuriki, Naruto couldn't release himself from Genjutsu despite the fact he knew how to null it. You gonna need a better argument, but following your amazing debate skills, I'm waiting for the:''Hurr durr it is plot'' classic, lmao.
Kaguya’s paralysis came first then she engulfed them with zetsu. That’s why naruto only had to rip zetsu off himself and sasuke to be free.
Nope, Naruto directly addressed it as being Kaguya's doing, just cuz Zetsu engulf them to show them memories of the past it doesn't mean that he was the one sucking their chakra, and either way is irrelevant, frozen their movements will not stop Amenotejikara from working, and following your amazing logic, Lille's paralyze is Headcanon cuz he only use once, even Naruto interacting with intangible objects seems more credible since it happened more than once, lmao.
That’s kinda how it works when you restrict someone’s movements in that way. And that wouldn’t change much, so I’m willing to drop this.
Amazing, so the result still, since Naruto have more than one stance he interact with intangible objects, and since Lille has absolutely no counter to Genjutsu, Naruto Team would have no problem in putting the overrated God's Bird down. Plus, restrict one's movements is not spatial paralyze, like wtf ?
This has nothing to do with what I said.
Mah bad then.
My point was that they’re not breaking out of it instantlyeven if you count the kaguya thing to be true.
What you mean by it being true ? We have 2 statements confirming that absorbing chakra restrict your abilities to use Ninjutsu until you release yourself, I hope you not trying to doubt those 2 statements as well, not that this matters, Lille's Mountain level attacks ain't breaking their Avatares.
Do I need to explain why their avatars can’t protect them from space erasing techniques? Lol.
Zyrael's Lille in his strongest never really showed Spatial erasing techniques so that's either irrelevant, not that this matters, if Lille can really do this at this form, is not like Sasuke will simple wait for him to strike him while he already of the X-Axis abilities, it is more likely for him to switch places and let Lille kill himself with his own power.
@joviolma said:
@consciouskeeper: I also don't think speed determine winning here, so I'm curious to know what point you are trying to make anyway.
You are trying to debate against hax? Just to be clear we are talking about Lillie barro?
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