Team Naruto vs Elite Sternitter

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Rules:

  • All is bloodlusted
  • Chakra=/=Reiatsu
  • All at their strongest
  • All Feats
  • Perfect Teamwork
  • 1 day prep/ basic knowledge on each other
  • Wins by Death or K.O.
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#2 Posted by deactivated-5cc746539ff3b (1013 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Naruto

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#3 Posted by ourmanuel (13906 posts) - - Show Bio

With one day prep and bloodlust, I’ll say Elites win.

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#4 Posted by JOVIOLMA (8088 posts) - - Show Bio

All Bloodlusted and one day of prep. Either Naruto or Sasuke blitz and one shot them before they activate any Schrift.

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#6 Posted by InvadedTBD (2116 posts) - - Show Bio

Sterns win, with chakra equaling reiatsu Askin just makes their chakra poison to them, Lille snipes, no one is blitzing Pernida, and Gerard grows until he gets sealed.

Delta is fodder and is Kawaki on the Naruto team?

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@ourmanuel: True, mah bad, not really changes anything IMO.

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#8 Posted by ManimalMan (1048 posts) - - Show Bio

Delta vs pernida is actually a pretty good matchup.

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Is it all the alphabet or just the elites?

OT: Either Naruto or Sasuke blitz and one shot them.

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Gotta clarify what basic knowledge means

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#12 Posted by JOVIOLMA (8088 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: By having better feats than them, unless you saying they wouldn't manage to blitz Pernida and Askin and later deal with Lille and Gerard.

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#13 Posted by ourmanuel (13906 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: except there isn’t a way to deal with Lille before he snipes them. And he has the ability to stop movements too.

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#14 Posted by InvadedTBD (2116 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: if you try to blitz Pernida he will take control of your nerves, so I wouldnt advise blitzing him.

And since chakra equals reiatsu, Askin could just raise the lethal dosage of chakra with the deathdealing leaving them unable to do anything.

Just saying.

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#15 Posted by JOVIOLMA (8088 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: if you try to blitz Pernida he will take control of your nerves, so I wouldnt advise blitzing him.

He is going to control the nerves of people far faster than him and that can perceive his nerves ? Naruto's SPSM grants him precognition to avoid beings in another planes of existence and Sasuke's sharingan allows him to see cellular sized things and at his strongest his nerves are massive and were visible.

And since chakra equals reiatsu, Askin could just raise the lethal dosage of chakra with the deathdealing leaving them unable to do anything.

  • Chakra=/=Reiatsu

That means chakra and Reiatsu weren't the same thing, if it was the / in the middle is unnecessary, plus, Askin can't get immune to physical attacks we saw both Grimmjow and Nimaiya cutting and piercing him with physical attacks and he didn't became immune to any of it.

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Gremmy imagines that Naruto and Sasuke are no where near the strength they are believed to be at on comicvine and squashes them after turning them into cookies.

But I don't think gremmy is part if the ELITE so it doesn't matter.

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@joviolma: except there isn’t a way to deal with Lille before he snipes them. And he has the ability to stop movements too.

Except they can ? Lille has like no answer to Genjutsu, he is immune to physical attacks but it's still vulnerable to hax, although he didn't died, Kyoraku's hax could touch him all the time and even cut his head off and during the first step we saw he still possessing a system inside his body which means he still possessing organs so Genjutsu still a option, and Naruto in the Last showed the ability to interact with Intangible objects and even turn his arm intangible for a brief moment, we saw him phasing through Hinata's chest and even touched Toneri's Green orb that can phase through objects and people without harming them, and in the fight against Nagato, he could touch with his chakra arms his own soul, and souls in Naruto have the ability to phase through objects as well. And movement paralysis is not really useful here, Naruto managed to overcome Kaguya's paralise and they still can activate their avatars to protect themselves.

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#18 Posted by Consciouskeeper (2596 posts) - - Show Bio
How can they even put this man down? He should solo
How can they even put this man down? He should solo

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@joviolma: no, you aren't getting the point you said Naruto or Sasuke could blitz but if they choose blitz Pernida he takes control of their nerves.

I read the op wrong my bad, Askin is still durable got his heart taken out of his chest and didn't die and still was able to talk and use other abilities.

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#20 Posted by JOVIOLMA (8088 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: no, you aren't getting the point you said Naruto or Sasuke could blitz but if they choose blitz Pernida he takes control of their nerves.

And like I said, they can perceive and sense his nerves with their Doujutsu, and since everyone is at their strongest, Pernida's nerves are even more easy to see, we saw the size of those things when he fought Mayuri while he was involving.

I read the op wrong my bad, Askin is still durable got his heart taken out of his chest and didn't die and still was able to talk and use other abilities.

I'm aware though, but he never tanked anything like a Rasenshuriken before or Sasuke's Chidori(that can effortless vaporize small mountain sized meteors) Delta also can try to head shot him with one of her Beams(KCM Naruto was almost caught by that thing)

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Me watching the Naruto wank already starting.
Me watching the Naruto wank already starting.

In b4 moon level or planet level AP

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lmao.

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#23 Edited by FaradaySloth (12222 posts) - - Show Bio

Elites would win this imo. The only fodder here is Pernida.

They can't kill Gerard nor Lille, they could KO Gerard but the dude's power makes me doubt he even get KO.

Lille is obvious, he's intangible, shoots out LS attacks, and possesses better hax than the Naruto trio.

Askin doesn't just make Reiatsu poisonous, he can make even Oxygen poisonous.

With basic knowledge, none of the team except for Gerard would be dumb enough to fall under Genjutsu.

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#24 Posted by UltraShaggy (1410 posts) - - Show Bio

Either Gerard or Lille and maybe Askin solo these weaklings .

LMAO at nardo and sasuge being faster than Lille .

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#25 Posted by ManimalMan (1048 posts) - - Show Bio

This is basically just naruto and sasuke vs lile and genjutsu pretty much the only way the could get around his intangibility

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@joviolma said:
@ourmanuel said:

Except they can ? Lille has like no answer to Genjutsu,

He’s bloodlusted. He’ll be busy spamming attacks at them that they wouldn’t even know are coming. No one’s going to get that chance.

Not to mention, bloodlusted naruto and sasuke at their strongest would be in their avatars spamming their strongest attacks too.

he is immune to physical attacks but it's still vulnerable to hax,

They don’t have any attacks like that which would be useful in this scenario.

we saw him phasing through Hinata's chest and even touched Toneri's Green orb that can phase through objects

An obvious plot device with no explanation that he’s never ever used before or after. He, by some unknown means, reached into her chest and pulled out Toneri’s chakra orb. That is all. We’re not even mentioning how the same attack also phased through naruto’s body while absorbing his chakra.

And how would that even help here? He’s gonna shove his arm into Lille? The dude who regened his head.

and people without harming them, and in the fight against Nagato, he could touch with his chakra arms his own soul,

Because that’s how nagato’s Jigokudo technique works. The victim is able to see and interact with their soul. Others can’t. Hell, even under normal circumstances, naruto characters can’t see their soul or touch it. Unless you’re telling me that KCM naruto during the war could rip people’s souls out, when he’s never done that before despite how useful it would have been to do so.

Im not even sure why you’re bringing this up tbh.

and souls in Naruto have the ability to phase through objects as well.

This isn’t relevant at all.

And movement paralysis is not really useful here, Naruto managed to overcome Kaguya's paralise

He overcame zetsu’s willpower, same thing that obito did when he was being controlled by the same technique. It’s a very different thing from spatial immobilisation.

Not to mention, it took them a long time to finally break out of his hold. They won’t have that time here.

and they still can activate their avatars to protect themselves.

Their avatars won’t protect them from the x-axis.

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He’s bloodlusted. He’ll be busy spamming attacks at them that they wouldn’t even know are coming. No one’s going to get that chance.

Based on what ? His attacks barely have quantifiable speed feats(Don't bring the Light thing cuz the same can be applied for Naruto), and if you can suggest he will start spamming attacks, I don't see why I can't assume Sasuke simple don't start the fight putting everyone in a Genjutsu just like he did with the Bijuus.

Not to mention, bloodlusted naruto and sasuke at their strongest would be in their avatars spamming their strongest attacks too.

They are bloodlusted dude, this don't reduce their intelligence if they are aware that Lille is intangible there is no reason to keep using Avatar and spamming something here, specially when they know Gerard can turn damage into power, they are not idiots, specially Sasuke.

They don’t have any attacks like that which would be useful in this scenario.

I'm aware, I said that hax worked on him, plus Lille bragged that no weapon in the world could do something to him, he never said anything about power like Yhwach said about Ichibei's hax, and sadly, physical intang. doesn't grants you resistance against illusion techniques, we also saw Lille's own attacks hurting him, Sasuke could switch places with his own attack, and this would remove his Heiligenschein making him tangible again.

An obvious plot device with no explanation that he’s never ever used before or after.

Mate, I have little to no interest in debate against you if the only thing you can claim is:''plot'' wherever you can't use a better excuse, this simple means he can turn a certain part of his body intangible if needed and can interact with intangible objects with this, something that he only accomplished post War, and he have no reason to use this if he only can turn his arm intangible based on feats.

He, by some unknown means, reached into her chest and pulled out Toneri’s chakra orb. That is all.

He use his Kyuubi chakra to accomplish this, his own chakra attacks could also interact with the Green orb that phased through his body, he already touched intangible objects before with the Kyuubi chakra, his own Soul when Nagato tried to pull that off, and souls in Narutoverse showed intangible effects as we saw when they ascended to the Pure World.

And how would that even help here? He’s gonna shove his arm into Lille? The dude who regened his head.

No, he is going to attack and damage Lille because his Kyuubi Chakra can touch intangible objects as well his Orange Rasengan touched Toneri's Green Orb before being swallowed and phase through his body, he could touch his own soul when he fought against Nagato with the Kyuubi chakra's arms, and he could turn his arm intangible for a brief moment and touch the same intangible orb that phased through him and Hinata.

Because that’s how nagato’s Jigokudo technique works. The victim is able to see and interact with their soul. Others can’t.

Wait, what ? Since when people can interact with their own souls cuz of the Human Path ? Naruto was the first one that survived that and was the only one that touched his own soul, plus, see souls is also something normal shinobi can do, see the Edo Tensei release for example, they were just intangible souls and were visible to everyone.

Hell, even under normal circumstances, naruto characters can’t see their soul or touch it.

Cuz no one pull their souls off, just Rinnegan users and don't change the fact that in the Edo Tensei release everyone could see the souls ascending to the pure world, but they couldn't touch them.

Unless you’re telling me that KCM naruto during the war could rip people’s souls out, when he’s never done that before despite how useful it would have been to do so.

Nice straw-man, I'm saying that he can touch intangible objects based on those 3 stances, the Rinnegan's Human Path allows one to pull souls off from the body, and Naruto using KCM can touch this soul.

Im not even sure why you’re bringing this up tbh.

To prove that Lille's Intang. is useless, you better bring a better point than Plot whatever it suits you.

This isn’t relevant at all.

It is, notice how your rebuttals are devoid of any reasonable point and do not give any relevant information, if he can touch a soul despite those things being intangible and with KCM can interact with objects that can phase through things, therefore Naruto can interact with Intangible objects, and unless proved otherwise for example, unless he fail to hit someone that has confirmed physical intangible in future chapters I will still using the feat that happens more than 2 times.

He overcame zetsu’s willpower, same thing that obito did when he was being controlled by the same technique. It’s a very different thing from spatial immobilisation.

Dafuq ? He was paralyzed by Kaguya and Zetsu merely engulfed them and show them memories, when it was stated that he overcame Zetsu's willpower and when it was stated that Lille's paralyzes is spatial ?

Not to mention, it took them a long time to finally break out of his hold. They won’t have that time here.

Obviously, they were paralyzed and had their chakra absorbed by Kaguya therefore they couldn't use any ninjutsu to release themselves form there, check the manga and the databook for example, chakra absorbing jutsus nullify the use of others Ninjutsu as we saw Hashirama tangling Madara with Wooden Dragon which would stop him from using any jutsu to release himself.

Their avatars won’t protect them from the x-axis.

Because ?

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#28 Posted by deactivated-5cc746539ff3b (1013 posts) - - Show Bio

I change my vote, the sterns win this.

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#29 Posted by TheEmperor95 (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

The elites take this especially with perfect teamwork. Naruto and sasuke are the only relevant people here. Pernida needs to be destroyed on a cellular level to stay dead and there is 3 or him and none of the naruto team can even touch the ground during this battle or they just get turned into mush by pernida. Naruto may die trying to save kawaki as well.

Bloodlusted hokage naruto isn't the same as teen naruto. He was pretty much bloodlusted in his fight with delta after she went for his daughter and still didn't spam any large scale attacks. He went straight for h2h even with basic knowledge on delta and knowing she has regen cancelling beams. There is no reason to think this fight would be any different. Especially with kawaki around who he wouldn't want to hurt. Same with sasuke but to a lesser degree. He doesn't go for large scale destruction moves anymore (though we haven't seen him bloodlusted yet).

Delta is brick and gets haxed to death by any on the team.

The elites have also shown, in character not even bloodlusted mind you, to destroy large areas and kill virtually anyone. With them all at their strongest everyone gets put into gift bad and are unable to move due to the poison.

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The elites take this especially with perfect teamwork. Naruto and sasuke are the only relevant people here. Pernida needs to be destroyed on a cellular level to stay dead and there is 3 or him and none of the naruto team can even touch the ground during this battle or they just get turned into mush by pernida. Naruto may die trying to save kawaki as well.

Bloodlusted hokage naruto isn't the same as teen naruto. He was pretty much bloodlusted in his fight with delta after she went for his daughter and still didn't spam any large scale attacks. He went straight for h2h even with basic knowledge on delta and knowing she has regen cancelling beams. There is no reason to think this fight would be any different. Especially with kawaki around who he wouldn't want to hurt. Same with sasuke but to a lesser degree. He doesn't go for large scale destruction moves anymore (though we haven't seen him bloodlusted yet).

Delta is brick and gets haxed to death by any on the team.

The elites have also shown, in character not even bloodlusted mind you, to destroy large areas and kill virtually anyone. With them all at their strongest everyone gets put into gift bad and are unable to move due to the poison.

This

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#31 Edited by ourmanuel (13906 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

Based on what ? His attacks barely have quantifiable speed feats(Don't bring the Light thing cuz the same can be applied for Naruto),

It doesn’t need speed feats. They wouldn’t know it’s coming and they can’t see it coming.

They are bloodlusted dude, this don't reduce their intelligence if they are aware that Lille is intangible

By the time they figure that out, it would be too late. Not to mention, they would also receive damage from gerard’s Sword.

, Sasuke could switch places with his own attack, and this would remove his Heiligenschein making him tangible again.

Sasuke wouldn’t know to do that seeing as his attacks are invisible(unless it’s tronpete), and he’ll be too busy spamming attacks.

Mate, I have little to no interest in debate against you if the only thing you can claim is:''plot''

If you say so, but then I can also say that Aizen can do the same thing based on how he removed the hogyoku from rukia. Now do you see how that sounds?

He use his Kyuubi chakra to accomplish this, his own chakra attacks could also interact with the Green orb that phased through his body,

It was a ball of chakra that shot into his body.

he already touched intangible objects before with the Kyuubi chakra, his own Soul when Nagato tried to pull that off, and souls in Narutoverse showed intangible effects as we saw when they ascended to the Pure World.

As I’ve said, that’s how the jigokudo technique works. Konohamaru and another leaf ninja could also feel their souls with their mouths as it was ripped out of them.

No, he is going to attack and damage Lille because his Kyuubi Chakra can touch intangible objects

Headcanon based on one event that was never ever replicated in the series.

Wait, what ? Since when people can interact with their own souls cuz of the Human Path ?

Konohamaru could also feel his soul(in the form of his tongue) leaving his body. Are you going to say he can also do the same?

Naruto was the first one that survived that and was the only one that touched his own soul,

I’m not sure why this matters anyways. He was the first one that Nagato attempted to use the technique on in that manner. The only other person was shininess and she never got that chance to pull on it due to her position.

see souls is also something normal shinobi can do, see the Edo Tensei release for example, they were just intangible souls and were visible to everyone.

Yet there have been several other instances of these same naruto characters being unable to see souls.

Cuz no one pull their souls off, just Rinnegan users and don't change the fact that in the Edo Tensei release everyone could see the souls ascending to the pure world,

Yet no one could see Pain pulling the souls out of his victims or see the shikei Fujin or its victim’s souls. Or how no one can see the souls of dead people leaving their bodies in the same way.

Nice straw-man, I'm saying that he can touch intangible objects

Then you agree then, that naruto can rip out people’s souls. Seeing as they’re intangible and he could touch them. And you also agree that naruto can go intangible based on what he did to hinata if he goes into full KCM mode.

To prove that Lille's Intang. is useless, you better bring a better point than Plot whatever it suits you.

An ability that was never replicated ever again, while also remaining unexplained.

Sounds like plot.

It is, notice how your rebuttals are devoid of any reasonable point and do not give any relevant information, if he can touch a soul despite those things being intangible and with KCM can interact with

KCM has never been shown phasing through anything else ever in the series. If you can’t accept that it’s plot, then also consider that in the same movie he falls under a genjutsu despite containing several bijuus to wake him up.

All for the sake of plot. It’s that simple. Everyone knows and accepts this except you for some reason.

Dafuq ? He was paralyzed by Kaguya and Zetsu merely engulfed them and show them memories, when it was stated that he overcame Zetsu's willpower

Kaguya’s paralysis came first then she engulfed them with zetsu. That’s why naruto only had to rip zetsu off himself and sasuke to be free.

and when it was stated that Lille's paralyzes is spatial ?

That’s kinda how it works when you restrict someone’s movements in that way. And that wouldn’t change much, so I’m willing to drop this.

Obviously, they were paralyzed and had their chakra absorbed by Kaguya

This has nothing to do with what I said. My point was that they’re not breaking out of it instantlyeven if you count the kaguya thing to be true.

Because ?

Do I need to explain why their avatars can’t protect them from space erasing techniques? Lol.

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@manimalman: befor or after they get hit with the xais. Its not in character for Sasuke to use genjustu

The will expect lille to shot bullets but instead get a hole thorough the head

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@faradaysloth: pernida isnt fodder he can copy stats and eject his nerves into the environment.

He copied Kenpachi's stats

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#34 Posted by ManimalMan (1048 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: sasuke's used genjutsu in nearly every fight since part 2 started

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wow people actually think the elite sternritters would lose? if it was gerard alone they couldn't even kill him, but with the full team and perfect teamwork

i would say its near impossible for the qunicy to lose

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#37 Posted by deactivated-5cc746539ff3b (1013 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

@manimalman: never used it on naruto or kinshiki

Why would he? both have counters.

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@xyzen: So do the sterns they have yhwachs spirit in them. Not only that askin will just gain immunity to it and pernida can adapt. Geard can possible adapt or over power it Via miracle ability. Only one it could work on is lille but it will just be salemate till sasuke runs out of chakra

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The elites take this especially with perfect teamwork. Naruto and sasuke are the only relevant people here. Pernida needs to be destroyed on a cellular level to stay dead and there is 3 or him and none of the naruto team can even touch the ground during this battle or they just get turned into mush by pernida. Naruto may die trying to save kawaki as well.

Bloodlusted hokage naruto isn't the same as teen naruto. He was pretty much bloodlusted in his fight with delta after she went for his daughter and still didn't spam any large scale attacks. He went straight for h2h even with basic knowledge on delta and knowing she has regen cancelling beams. There is no reason to think this fight would be any different. Especially with kawaki around who he wouldn't want to hurt. Same with sasuke but to a lesser degree. He doesn't go for large scale destruction moves anymore (though we haven't seen him bloodlusted yet).

Delta is brick and gets haxed to death by any on the team.

The elites have also shown, in character not even bloodlusted mind you, to destroy large areas and kill virtually anyone. With them all at their strongest everyone gets put into gift bad and are unable to move due to the poison.

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It doesn’t need speed feats. They wouldn’t know it’s coming and they can’t see it coming.

Concession accepted then. Opponent is completely unable to show speed feats for the character he is debating and not adding anything relevant in the discussion proving that they would not be able to see attacks that could be seen fatigued Kyoraku. Lille also will not see Genjutsu coming if we go by that logic, plus yes they can see it coming, just like Shunsui could see it coming 2 times(fatigued btw).

By the time they figure that out, it would be too late. Not to mention, they would also receive damage from gerard’s Sword.

No, if they have basic knowledge of their opponents, that means they are already aware that Lille has Intag. therefore is a basic knowledge, not something complex to deduce and they have their means to counter, Naruto can touch intangible objects and Sasuke could Genjutsu him cuz he has no illusion resistance feats independent of his physical intangible that doesn't grants him TP resistance, even without knowledge someone can deduce that he is intangible by simple attacking him and phasing through him, and Team has basic knowledge about Gerard, they would be careful with the sword, Naruto for example can destroy the sword with his clones making the clones receive damage, and even if he damage the sword with his attacks Naruto has the ability to heal damage from himself and others, he healed Shikamaru in the War Arc with the Kyuubi Cloak and healed Sasuke as well in the Boruto Movie, as well could heal holes and wounds in his body while using the Kyuubi's chakra, plus, if Team is aware that Gerard can grow in size with damage, they have like no reason to try to attack him with physical attacks(this would damage him increasing his power) Sasuke would simple genjutsu him just like he effortless genjutsu'd the 9 Bijuus at the same time and seal him with CT.

Sasuke wouldn’t know to do that seeing as his attacks are invisible(unless it’s tronpete), and he’ll be too busy spamming attacks.

Wtf ? Lille's attacks at his strongest form are visible and more powerful, you can see that when he regenerated and was fighting Kyoraku that his attacks have a physical form, Sasuke and Naruto would obviously see that thing, and is completely IC for Sasuke to use Amenotejikara and switch places with his opponent or with attacks.

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If you say so, but then I can also say that Aizen can do the same thing based on how he removed the hogyoku from rukia. Now do you see how that sounds?

It seems okay if Hogyoku have intangible effects, plus, Aizen never faced Lille to being with, lmao.

It was a ball of chakra that shot into his body.

Yep, a ball of chakra that phased through his cloth and body not harming only absorbing his chakra and that did the same with Hinata, therefore is something intangible just like are souls in the verse.

As I’ve said, that’s how the jigokudo technique works. Konohamaru and another leaf ninja could also feel their souls with their mouths as it was ripped out of them.

You better stop right here, Jigokudo(Naraka Path) and Ningendo(Human Path) are 2 different techniques, ones summons the King of Hell to see who is saying the truth or not killing those who are lying taking away their souls(you can only see the KoH when the user touch you) and one allows you to extract their souls by touching their bodies, 2 different functions, used by 2 different paths, plus feel=/=touch it, the feat is not like Naruto who touched a soul and could touch 2 times an intangible orb.

Headcanon

Translation: ''I have no counter your arguments so I will throw my denials card'' Unless you provide some worthy reading post, Naruto still stomping the overrated Lille with no difficult, and since I brought 3 different stances where he could interact with intangible objects and even add intangible properties to his arm for a brief moment, I will still using the feat, you either bring a actual argument or stop wasting my time please ;)

based on one event that was never ever replicated in the series.

He never faced anyone that can use intangible attacks after that, lmao.

Konohamaru could also feel his soul(in the form of his tongue) leaving his body. Are you going to say he can also do the same?

2 Different stances, Konohamaru could feel his soul, Naruto could touch his soul and later in the movie interact with an intangible orb 2 times, so no, Konohamaru can't do the same cuz unlike Naruto he couldn't touch his own soul neither touched something intangible in any moment of the series.

I’m not sure why this matters anyways. He was the first one that Nagato attempted to use the technique on in that manner. The only other person was shininess and she never got that chance to pull on it due to her position.

Although you have a point here, I fail to see how this change the feat anyway.

Yet there have been several other instances of these same naruto characters being unable to see souls.

That's cool, not sure how this changes anything since Souls in Naruto are still intangible anyway, plus this don't change the fact Naruto could interact 2 times with an intangible object and even turn his arm intangible for a brief moment.

Yet no one could see Pain pulling the souls out of his victims or see the shikei Fujin or its victim’s souls. Or how no one can see the souls of dead people leaving their bodies in the same way.

The Rinnegan abilities that manipulate souls were only visible by those touched by the user of the technique, I don't see how this changes anything I said specially when the souls always showed intangible properties both stances, and like I said, Naruto could touch his own soul and later touch an intangible orb while turning his arm intangible briefly, so, meh.

Then you agree then, that naruto can rip out people’s souls.

Nope, your reading abilities are worse than your debate skills, touch intangible objects and soul manipulation are 2 different abilities, Naruto could only touch a soul when that soul was present in the human world not in the spiritual one(nothing proving he has the ability to interact with this realm by will), it doesn't mean he can just like the Rinnegan bring those things to the human world, it simple means he has the ability to touch Intangible objects.

Seeing as they’re intangible and he could touch them.

When they were present in the human world, yes what about it ? Touch intangible objects and manipulate or destroy souls are not even the same thing.

And you also agree that naruto can go intangible based on what he did to hinata if he goes into full KCM mode.

Nope, I agree that he can turn certain parts of his body intangible briefly which he accomplished on panel, but there is nothing proving Naruto can use this ability on his body as a whole, he so far only managed to accomplish with his arm, plus in case you are not aware, Naruto didn't phased through Hinata's body with KCM, he focused his chakra on his hand without need to transform, you can see that unlike when he transforms, the bandages he had on his artificial arm are still visible, which does not happen when he uses KCM, he just engulfed his arm with the chakra.

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An ability that was never replicated ever again

He interact with the orb 2 times, turn his arm intangible briefly and interact with souls(Intangible things) before, which means more than one stance, try to find a better argument for your lack of rebuttal, your overrated Lille is sadly not impressive as you think :/

while also remaining unexplained.

Could care less, is common in anime people use abilities that have like no explanation, it simple means he can turn his own body intangible, Lille also without explanation managed to regenerate himself, and I never see anyone complain about it, the complains only happen when it comes to the Naruto side ?

All for the sake of plot. It’s that simple.

Irrelevant, it is an ability that he managed to accomplish on panel and is consistent with other stances accomplished by himself, following this logic, Aizen is not even strong as his Monster Aizen version since he got stronger by no reason at the Muken, lmao, is gonna be need more than a random bleach highballer on the internet to convince me that the feat was plot, even if it is, since it is consistent with 2 other stances I pretend to continue use the feat.

KCM has never been shown phasing through anything else ever in the series.

He did, in the movie, tries to find a better argument than plot or stop wasting my time Mr. i don't need to show speed feats.

If you can’t accept that it’s plot then also consider that in the same movie he falls under a genjutsu despite containing several bijuus to wake him up.

Certain genjutsu can work on Jinchuurikis, the Mizukage was controlled by Obito for a long time despite the fact he was an Jinchuuriki, Naruto couldn't release himself from Genjutsu despite the fact he knew how to null it. You gonna need a better argument, but following your amazing debate skills, I'm waiting for the:''Hurr durr it is plot'' classic, lmao.

Kaguya’s paralysis came first then she engulfed them with zetsu. That’s why naruto only had to rip zetsu off himself and sasuke to be free.

Nope, Naruto directly addressed it as being Kaguya's doing, just cuz Zetsu engulf them to show them memories of the past it doesn't mean that he was the one sucking their chakra, and either way is irrelevant, frozen their movements will not stop Amenotejikara from working, and following your amazing logic, Lille's paralyze is Headcanon cuz he only use once, even Naruto interacting with intangible objects seems more credible since it happened more than once, lmao.

That’s kinda how it works when you restrict someone’s movements in that way. And that wouldn’t change much, so I’m willing to drop this.

Amazing, so the result still, since Naruto have more than one stance he interact with intangible objects, and since Lille has absolutely no counter to Genjutsu, Naruto Team would have no problem in putting the overrated God's Bird down. Plus, restrict one's movements is not spatial paralyze, like wtf ?

This has nothing to do with what I said.

Mah bad then.

My point was that they’re not breaking out of it instantlyeven if you count the kaguya thing to be true.

What you mean by it being true ? We have 2 statements confirming that absorbing chakra restrict your abilities to use Ninjutsu until you release yourself, I hope you not trying to doubt those 2 statements as well, not that this matters, Lille's Mountain level attacks ain't breaking their Avatares.

Do I need to explain why their avatars can’t protect them from space erasing techniques? Lol.

Zyrael's Lille in his strongest never really showed Spatial erasing techniques so that's either irrelevant, not that this matters, if Lille can really do this at this form, is not like Sasuke will simple wait for him to strike him while he already of the X-Axis abilities, it is more likely for him to switch places and let Lille kill himself with his own power.

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#42 Posted by JOVIOLMA (8088 posts) - - Show Bio

It seems like I'm the only one defending the Naruto team and bringing arguments to the table, for now everything seems fine.

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#43 Posted by Consciouskeeper (2596 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: speed always goes to the other side when involving bleach due to dodgy writing of bleach.

However speed doesn't determine the victor here. Hax does and the stern have that by far.

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#44 Posted by JOVIOLMA (8088 posts) - - Show Bio

@consciouskeeper: I also don't think speed determine winning here, so I'm curious to know what point you are trying to make anyway.

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#45 Edited by Consciouskeeper (2596 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

@consciouskeeper: I also don't think speed determine winning here, so I'm curious to know what point you are trying to make anyway.

You are trying to debate against hax? Just to be clear we are talking about Lillie barro?

How would anyone in this battle hurt him
How would anyone in this battle hurt him
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#46 Edited by JOVIOLMA (8088 posts) - - Show Bio

@consciouskeeper: We are not really talking about anything though, I simple said that I also don't think speed alone is way of winning battles, and I'm already talking about intang. in my discussion with Manuel.

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#47 Posted by Consciouskeeper (2596 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: ah ok well Lillie speed feat is just...i don't even want to get into calc'ing bleach speed..

But his intangible forms and durability bypassing attacks are enough to gain my favor in this fight when speaking about someone from stern team solo'ing.

He has too many complex transformations so I am going to leave this thread here for who ever is curious about what he can do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/6l7onf/respect_stern_ritter_x_lille_barro_bleach/

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#48 Edited by JOVIOLMA (8088 posts) - - Show Bio

@consciouskeeper: I'm aware of Lille's abilities, but my opinion still the same though.

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#49 Posted by Consciouskeeper (2596 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

@consciouskeeper: I'm aware of Lille's abilities, but my opinion still the same though.

If you are fully aware of what he is capable of and you still think Naruto team has a chance then nothing will convince you otherwise.

I don't see them defeating him in his first form or getting past it in best scenario.

Divine weapons work best but Naruto team doesn't have any.

Their best chance is to reflect his attacks back at him but in his first form that wouldn't happen.

This is why I feel he solos but the stern team stomps over all.

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#50 Edited by JOVIOLMA (8088 posts) - - Show Bio

@consciouskeeper: I'm full aware of his capacities, and almost nothing will grant him a winning him, his only good card is his Intangibility and try to hit them with the X-Axis, nothing more.

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