Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, Death of the Endless, Dream of the Endless (Morpheus), Mr. Mxyzptlk, and The Great Evil Beast
VS
Thanos, Molecule Man, Oblivion, Living Tribunal, The Fulcrum, and Doctor Doom
-Thanos has the Infinity Gauntlet. Doctor Doom has the power of the Beyonders.
-Win by any means.
https://i.imgur.com/IiD0etO.jpg
A book created from the shadow of the destiny's true book
Just the shadow of the shadow of the knowledge contained within the true book
A book that's made from the shadow of the shadow of the knowledge contained within Destiny's book can destroy infinite universes, know and unknown and all of space and time in creation
Basically containing a fraction of what's written in the shadow of the shadow of book of destiny gives even mortals enough power to Control all Known and unknown universes
His book was given to him by Father Time
whose union with Mother Night is what makes the universe, all versions of it possible
Father Time and Mother Night are the base of the multiverse, without them the Multiverse is impossible
Feats done with fraction of Dream's power
it's stated the ruby (materioptikon) can turn dreams into matter:
http://i.imgur.com/nAOXWq3.jpg
He apparently made contact with the dream-continuum due to meditation. He also says that his mind is very powerful due to the exposure to the Materioptikon and that he somehow tapped into a cosmic energy source with which he can now create reality in the dream-world.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/DoctorDestiny68.jpg
fraction the dreams power..has been used to reshape reality itself”http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/DoctorDestiny68.jpg
The following scans are from JLA: classified 4th parallel.
To summarize the arc, the red king has taken control of the materioptikon and through it he was able to create infinite versions of himself in infinite realities hoping that one version of himself would rule his reality/world:
JLA classified #33
Here, it is explained that red king ran infinite versions of himself through infinite possibilities, and only three are left and by creating alternate versions of himself he was actually creating alternate universes which contains those versions in hope that one of them would end up ruling the world, JLA classified #36
http://i.imgur.com/nzYdDnV.jpg
Here the red king says that we have 3 realities running at once (confirming that each version of himself is in a separate reality):
http://i.imgur.com/oNHpofX.jpg
JLA classified #36
And if somehow this isn't enough proof, batman says that through the materioptikon red king
was able to create a multiple realities in hopes that one of them would succeed to rule his world, and only 2 maybe 3 exist:
http://i.imgur.com/4yFm2qe.jpg
In the first page of the issue, it's stated that red king created infinite versions of himself and the ones that failed were destroyed and only 3 are left, proving that he created infinite universes/realities:
http://i.imgur.com/YT97H6d.jpg
More emphasis on the materioptikon
JLA classified #32:
It's stated that all of existence is threatened by it:
http://i.imgur.com/0YZCNZY.jpg
It casually destroys a universe/possibility:
In that same scan above, Destiny references the 6 billion facets, these are references to the 6 billion universes that were mentioned in the story arc, these 6 billion universes were still there even after the Red King reduced the infinite universes the materioptikon created, to 3 universes, and Destiny was using the materioptikon to remove those 6 billion universes.
http://i.imgur.com/ySIktyX.jpg
The original Creation that Lucifer and Michael helped created is a multiverse(DCU)
So even if you believe that Lucifers creation is just a universe it won't change the fact that Lucifer did once help create the original universe (that turned into a multiverse)
And Lucifers creation is a totality, a creation he spawned in the void itself outside Destinys book(DC multiverse) which is similar to the creation of the original universe
DC team wins
Shit, this is going to be even easier than the last few times.
Team 1. Infinity Gauntlet shouldn't be here. It's only universal.
Based on what???
It didn't work in the DCU during the canon JLA/Avengers. In fact, there are multiple versions of the IG in the Marvel multiverse.
Alright, lets break down your "argument" shall we?
It didn't work in the DCU during the canon JLA/Avengers.
Ah, I see. So I wouldn't be incorrect in assuming that you have substantial amounts of proof that this is indeed canon right? Or that the guidebooks, or any characters within Marvel or DC would have referenced this enormous event right? DC/Marvel have had multiple canon crossovers, Spectrum/Green Lanterns comes to mind, and it was referenced in Spectrum's guidebook, so what you got?
In fact, there are multiple versions of the IG in the Marvel multiverse.
Yes, the typical "there are multiple of them, therefore its not multiversal" argument, how nice.
First off, the amount present in a creation doesn't signify its power in this case. The Gauntlet has been used (pre-Hickman) for many, many multiversal feats. The burden of proof is on you to debunk the feats before you start using Current IG for your argument.
Also, during the council of Reed Richards storyline, I think Fantastic Four issue 570+ ?, there are 3 versions of Mr. Fantastic along with the 616 version and they all have an IG and it didn't work outside of their respective universe.
Again, all you're doing is using the Current IG's universal power, to try to demonstrate how the CLASSIC IG isn't multiversal, that doesn't make sense.
who has Thanos w/IG beat who is 'multiversal'? And before you say eternity, he is not multiversal. Multi-eternity is multiversal
Oh holy shit, how is this still an excuse lmfao.
First off, prove that Multi-Eternity exists PRE-SECRET WARS. Then, prove that 616 Eternity isn't multiversal. Ill wait.
Meanwhile Michael and Lucifer are REALLY far above multiversal.
"He is the demiurge. God chose him as his second. Now, as God's mark fades and creation falters, Michael renews it moment by moment... He writes God's name afresh on every atom of existence." - Michael is responsible for every atom in creation, his power is a continuous source that works simultaneously in all of creation.
Oh look, an at best multiversal feat. Man, you really weren't kidding, so far above multiversal right?
Either way, Eternity being the embodiment of a universe of equal size to Vertigo and constantly rebirthing it > Michaels feat.
Michael's regeneration created a new creation in the Void, which Lucifer created his own multiverse with.
"There is a power within me. The dunamis demiurgos. God's power. When I die, it will pour out of me and overwhelm everything that exists" - Michaels power is unrivalled. His power is above anything that exists.
Maybe I'm semi-literate over here, but uh, since he has to die to, you know: actually release a "creation" busting attack, doesn't that kinda nullify the feat in its entirety? Eternity's power was used to re-create the multiverse casually, without having to die. Unless you are somehow capable of proving that Vertigo's (constantly referred to as a universe) creation is somehow larger than a single Marvel Multiverse, how is that feat "REALLY far above multiversal"?
"You could have ended the war right then, ended all of us with a gesture" - Michael's Demiurge power could have ended a war in heaven with a gesture.
Ohhhhh!! Statements! My favorite!
A book created from the shadow of the destiny's true book was said to have the power to control all the known and unknown universes and all of space and time in the creation
Ohhhhh!! Statements! My favorite!
Just the shadow of the shadow of the knowledge contained within the true book. A book that's made from the shadow of the shadow of the knowledge contained within Destiny's book can destroy infinite universes, know and unknown and all of space and time in creation
Ohhhhh!! Statements! My favorite!
Lucifer destroyed pages of Destiny's book.
Say, does that book have, like, durability feats orrrr?
Also, you got scans for any of your arguments?
That's already a multiversal feat
Riiight, but didn't you say something along the lines of "REALLY far above multivesal". So far, if I were to talk you at your word (despite showing no evidence) the best feats you have are only multiversal, of which Eternity has done better; and you wanna take a stab at who Thanos wtfstomped with the Infinity Gauntlet?
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Lemme know when you guys got something else.
@tedirey: What an excellent rebuttal! Bravo sir.
You are just assuming.
Uh, what am I assuming here? Everything I stated was an absolute fact with on scan evidence. Which you conveniently provided none of.
And no, I didn't made an argument, I stated facts.
True, but you did twist the facts to suit your argument that the Infinity Gauntlet is universal, without having any proof other than Current IG, right?
Infinity Gauntlet is still universal whether you like it or not.
Simply stating something is or isn't without proof is such an idiot move.
Alright, lets do a simple one:
Quasar, in an effort to kill Magus with Ultimate Nullifier fired it with 100% focus, and it did:
Jack shit. Why is this impressive?
Another user (who's name I cant recall) killed Eternity with it. And Eternity is already multiversal.
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