Team Betsy VS Team Wanda

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Nightcrawler, Psylocke, Wolverine & Colossus
Nightcrawler, Psylocke, Wolverine & Colossus

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Miles Morales, Scarlet Witch, Venom & Giant-man(Pym)
Miles Morales, Scarlet Witch, Venom & Giant-man(Pym)

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  • No BFR
  • Win by Death or KO
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Team 2

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The X-Men.

Mostly everyone here except Wanda fights in CQC, and with basic knowledge, Psylocke would be smart enough to focus on taking them down with TP rather than engage in CQC as well.

Wanda gets dropped, as does everyone else, since I don't think any of them have any notable TP resistances.

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@geekryan said:

The X-Men.

Mostly everyone here except Wanda fights in CQC, and with basic knowledge, Psylocke would be smart enough to focus on taking them down with TP rather than engage in CQC as well.

Wanda gets dropped, as does everyone else, since I don't think any of them have any notable TP resistances.

Is Psylocke still immune to reality warping and resistant to magic?

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Team 2.

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@candymandy3366: Thats the very question lol

Don't think so. The stuff from when Jamie resurrected her doesn't seem to be there anymore, like she isn't immune to TP anymore. But her TP is strong, I don't think why she would not be able to TP Wanda, assuming she doesn't try to do some dumb shit like kick her

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@candymandy3366: Thats the very question lol

Don't think so. The stuff from when Jamie resurrected her doesn't seem to be there anymore, like she isn't immune to TP anymore. But her TP is strong, I don't think why she would not be able to TP Wanda, assuming she doesn't try to do some dumb shit like kick her

If Psylocke isn't immune or resistant to Wanda's powers the Avengers stomp

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@candymandy3366: She has powerful telepathy which tbh should be able to take wanda down

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I don't think Wanda would lose to Betsy's TP, especially since Betsy doesn't always start battles with TP

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Considering Besty has a track record of not using her telepathy straight away unless she's up against a other telepath Wanda should be able to take advantage of this and bring her team the win in multiple different ways

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Team Wanda.

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Wanda maximoff aka the Scarlet witch will likely be the winner and sole survivor of this conflict. She possesses far more varied and powerful offenses then any on the other team. Her teammates, Miles morales aka the ultimate Spider-man and Edward brock aka the symbiote Venom are faster and more physically powerful then the mutants allied to make up team Betsy braddock aka Psylocke aka Captain britain.

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@d2wolflike: @candymandy3366: With basic knowledge and Wanda being the major threat on the other team, Psylocke would likely use TP on her right away instead of engaging in H2H combat.

Wanda doesn’t have the feats to take a direct TP assault from Betsy, and Betsy is faster with her powers.

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@d2wolflike: @candymandy3366: With basic knowledge and Wanda being the major threat on the other team, Psylocke would likely use TP on her right away instead of engaging in H2H combat.

Wanda doesn’t have the feats to take a direct TP assault from Betsy, and Betsy is faster with her powers.

I agree, Betsy is definitely faster

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We have seen Moondragon used it and failed. Wanda can blast the team with ofc energy projection at MFTL speed. Wanda wins via chaos magic that operates at the speed of thought imo...

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@geekryan said:

@d2wolflike: @candymandy3366: With basic knowledge and Wanda being the major threat on the other team, Psylocke would likely use TP on her right away instead of engaging in H2H combat.

Wanda doesn’t have the feats to take a direct TP assault from Betsy, and Betsy is faster with her powers.

Considering Wanda has been able to react to bullets, explosions, arrows and missiles while also having a better track record then Psylocke when it comes to fighting very fast characters for example she's been able to fight the likes of living laser, Quasar, Vision, Spider-Woman, Swordsman, Thor, Quicksilver, Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom and much more keep up with them perfectly fine so I don't think Besty is faster then her especially with her fighting style

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@d2wolflike: @candymandy3366: With basic knowledge and Wanda being the major threat on the other team, Psylocke would likely use TP on her right away instead of engaging in H2H combat.

Wanda doesn’t have the feats to take a direct TP assault from Betsy, and Betsy is faster with her powers.

Considering Wanda has been able to react to bullets, explosions, arrows and missiles while also having a better track record then Psylocke when it comes to fighting very fast characters for example she's been able to fight the likes of living laser, Quasar, Vision, Spider-Woman, Swordsman, Thor, Quicksilver, Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom and much more keep up with them perfectly fine so I don't think Besty is faster then her especially with her fighting style

Wanda isn't consistently that fast.

Psylocke has also reacted to bullets, explosions, lasers, repulsor rays, etc., and has fought against or reacted to the likes of Spider-Woman, Doctor Strange, Wolverine, Death Seed Archangel, Fantomex, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, Dazzler, Quicksilver, Nightcrawler, Storm, Cyclops, Magneto, Fantomex, Domino, Meggan, Bishop, etc. What's your point?

Wanda's powers do not activate as fast as Psylocke's powers.

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@geekryan said:
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@d2wolflike: @candymandy3366: With basic knowledge and Wanda being the major threat on the other team, Psylocke would likely use TP on her right away instead of engaging in H2H combat.

Wanda doesn’t have the feats to take a direct TP assault from Betsy, and Betsy is faster with her powers.

Considering Wanda has been able to react to bullets, explosions, arrows and missiles while also having a better track record then Psylocke when it comes to fighting very fast characters for example she's been able to fight the likes of living laser, Quasar, Vision, Spider-Woman, Swordsman, Thor, Quicksilver, Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom and much more keep up with them perfectly fine so I don't think Besty is faster then her especially with her fighting style

Wanda isn't consistently that fast.

Psylocke has also reacted to bullets, explosions, lasers, repulsor rays, etc., and has fought against or reacted to the likes of Spider-Woman, Doctor Strange, Wolverine, Death Seed Archangel, Fantomex, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, Dazzler, Quicksilver, Nightcrawler, Storm, Cyclops, Magneto, Fantomex, Domino, Meggan, Bishop, etc. What's your point?

Wanda's powers do not activate as fast as Psylocke's powers.

Psylocke isn't either

Stop Psylocke never reacted to Doctor Strange or even tagged him (We only saw her in the background looking at him) Once again you provided zero reasons why Psylocke can be able to blitz Wanda dispite lowballing which I can do to every single Marvel characters 😉 including high tiers.

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@d2wolflike said:
@geekryan said:
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@d2wolflike: @candymandy3366: With basic knowledge and Wanda being the major threat on the other team, Psylocke would likely use TP on her right away instead of engaging in H2H combat.

Wanda doesn’t have the feats to take a direct TP assault from Betsy, and Betsy is faster with her powers.

Considering Wanda has been able to react to bullets, explosions, arrows and missiles while also having a better track record then Psylocke when it comes to fighting very fast characters for example she's been able to fight the likes of living laser, Quasar, Vision, Spider-Woman, Swordsman, Thor, Quicksilver, Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom and much more keep up with them perfectly fine so I don't think Besty is faster then her especially with her fighting style

Wanda isn't consistently that fast.

Psylocke has also reacted to bullets, explosions, lasers, repulsor rays, etc., and has fought against or reacted to the likes of Spider-Woman, Doctor Strange, Wolverine, Death Seed Archangel, Fantomex, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, Dazzler, Quicksilver, Nightcrawler, Storm, Cyclops, Magneto, Fantomex, Domino, Meggan, Bishop, etc. What's your point?

Wanda's powers do not activate as fast as Psylocke's powers.

Psylocke isn't either

Stop Psylocke never reacted to Doctor Strange or even tagged him (We only saw her in the background looking at him) Once again you provided zero reasons why Psylocke can be able to blitz Wanda dispite lowballing which I can do to every single Marvel characters 😉 including high tiers.

Psylocke can't blitz Wanda but I think she is fast enough to take her out, Psylocke's characters is suppose to be a ninja girl with superpowers and speed, durability, agility, and stamina, Wanda is a sorcerer, she fights like any other sorcerer, Wanda is not that fast, I could bring scans of Wanda slowly preparing a energy blast or getting ready to use a spell if you'd like. Psylocke is just faster than Wanda I think it's a bit obvious.

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I think reaction wise it’s maybe even. I think Betsy takes the cake with combat speeds. She train a lot, has muscle memory, and consistently combines her powers with combat.... Unless y’all take Wanda sparing with Captain America everyday seriously.

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Wanda could literally solo

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@geekryan said:
@d2wolflike said:
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@d2wolflike: @candymandy3366: With basic knowledge and Wanda being the major threat on the other team, Psylocke would likely use TP on her right away instead of engaging in H2H combat.

Wanda doesn’t have the feats to take a direct TP assault from Betsy, and Betsy is faster with her powers.

Considering Wanda has been able to react to bullets, explosions, arrows and missiles while also having a better track record then Psylocke when it comes to fighting very fast characters for example she's been able to fight the likes of living laser, Quasar, Vision, Spider-Woman, Swordsman, Thor, Quicksilver, Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom and much more keep up with them perfectly fine so I don't think Besty is faster then her especially with her fighting style

Wanda isn't consistently that fast.

Psylocke has also reacted to bullets, explosions, lasers, repulsor rays, etc., and has fought against or reacted to the likes of Spider-Woman, Doctor Strange, Wolverine, Death Seed Archangel, Fantomex, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, Dazzler, Quicksilver, Nightcrawler, Storm, Cyclops, Magneto, Fantomex, Domino, Meggan, Bishop, etc. What's your point?

Wanda's powers do not activate as fast as Psylocke's powers.

Psylocke isn't either

Stop Psylocke never reacted to Doctor Strange or even tagged him (We only saw her in the background looking at him) Once again you provided zero reasons why Psylocke can be able to blitz Wanda dispite lowballing which I can do to every single Marvel characters 😉 including high tiers.

Betsy was shown facing off against him, and they were seen shortly after fighting different opponents, implying they fought at least for a bit and then switched opponents.

All of those feats you presented are outliers for Psylocke though. Wanda consistently gets tagged by much slower characters. I guarantee I could provide more anti-feats for Wanda's speed than you could for Psylocke.

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We have seen Moondragon used it and failed. Wanda can blast the team with ofc energy projection at MFTL speed. Wanda wins via chaos magic that operates at the speed of thought imo...

That was a physical bolt of psychic energy, something that Psylocke doesn't often use. When she geos for telepathy she usually goes for either a Psi blade to the head or a direct telepathic attack.

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This likely comes down to Psylocke vs Wanda because whoever wins that is capable of taking down the rest of the enemies. They both good showings of reactions but Psylocke being a proficient melee fighter has very good reflexes having fought the likes of Wolverine, Daredevil, Domino, Fantomex, and so on. This likely gives her the edge, and Wanda's TP resistance is not likely to withstand an attack from Psylocke.

I actually think nightcrawler might be able to sneak in an attack on Wanda before she can react, but I am not certain of his blitz speed

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@onsipin: Can you give me the example of Psylocke Telepathic Assault? Also yeah... Psylocke is faster when it comss to combat speed. Their reaction speed is just the same actually. With Wanda has been trained by Quicksilver to react fast intentionally and unintentionally. Speedster or any other fast attack is not new to her. Wanda can also use her FF to prevent Nightcrawler from teleporting, so he can't blitz...

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Also @geekryan always use all of that outdated anti-feats, it is actually laughable. But if that was all he know about Wanda, then I wouldn't be surprised. Now I want him to debunk all of that Psylocke's anti-feat.

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@geekryan said:
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@d2wolflike: @candymandy3366: With basic knowledge and Wanda being the major threat on the other team, Psylocke would likely use TP on her right away instead of engaging in H2H combat.

Wanda doesn’t have the feats to take a direct TP assault from Betsy, and Betsy is faster with her powers.

Considering Wanda has been able to react to bullets, explosions, arrows and missiles while also having a better track record then Psylocke when it comes to fighting very fast characters for example she's been able to fight the likes of living laser, Quasar, Vision, Spider-Woman, Swordsman, Thor, Quicksilver, Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom and much more keep up with them perfectly fine so I don't think Besty is faster then her especially with her fighting style

Wanda isn't consistently that fast.

Psylocke has also reacted to bullets, explosions, lasers, repulsor rays, etc., and has fought against or reacted to the likes of Spider-Woman, Doctor Strange, Wolverine, Death Seed Archangel, Fantomex, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, Dazzler, Quicksilver, Nightcrawler, Storm, Cyclops, Magneto, Fantomex, Domino, Meggan, Bishop, etc. What's your point?

Wanda's powers do not activate as fast as Psylocke's powers.

Psylocke isn't either

Stop Psylocke never reacted to Doctor Strange or even tagged him (We only saw her in the background looking at him) Once again you provided zero reasons why Psylocke can be able to blitz Wanda dispite lowballing which I can do to every single Marvel characters 😉 including high tiers.

Betsy was shown facing off against him, and they were seen shortly after fighting different opponents, implying they fought at least for a bit and then switched opponents.

All of those feats you presented are outliers for Psylocke though. Wanda consistently gets tagged by much slower characters. I guarantee I could provide more anti-feats for Wanda's speed than you could for Psylocke.

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I might still go with team 2. The x-men are cool but they don't just win every fight because they have a telepath. Telepaths have been resisted by powerless humans/aliens and low tier characters. Wanda should be able to freeze time and finish them off.

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@josh983 said:

Also @geekryan always use all of that outdated anti-feats, it is actually laughable. But if that was all he know about Wanda, then I wouldn't be surprised. Now I want him to debunk all of that Psylocke's anti-feat.

Lol, the feats I posted of Wanda are all from the 90s or later.... "Outdated"....Her speed hasn't improved since then.

1) He appeared behind Psylocke when she wasn't expecting him

2) She was fighting multiple opponents at once in a dark cave, and she got tagged from behind

3) Medusa has tagged faster opponents, and most of IvX was pure PIS anyways

4) Not an anti-feat

5) Taken by surprise

The difference between Psylocke and Wanda is that Psylocke has consistent speed feats, to the point where these few anti-feats are either outliers or have context to them. Wanda is consistently slow and regularly gets tagged by slower opponents.

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The whole fight depends on Betsy's willingness to drop Wanda with TP before she could react.

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@geekryan: Proof that her speed hasn't improved since then? Lol no, you can not give that 90's anti-feats, it is clearly OUTDATED. Are you living in Wanda's reality?

1) ? Psylocke was aware of his appearance and the guy talked to her in front of her face. Yet, she couldn't even react to his punch that landed on her butt, lol.

2) Can she just feel their presence by using TP and TK? This is the perfect example of how a mid-tier mutant act as a street level imo. And you think that the darkness is limiting her movement? I believe many ninjas have been trained to fight in the dark or any other difficult situation. But if she is not that good, then what can we do? Even Spider Man in the MCU fights better...

3) Prove it.

4) What? Psylocke can not even fight some regular humans simultaneously. She gets stomped and incapacitated by a non-superpowered human. Add that to her durability.

5) Prove it.

Ehhhh? No... Wanda has been trained by Quicksilver to react fast intentionally and unintentionally. Speedster or any other fast attack is not even new to her.

While Wanda's psychic defense can hold her for a while, she either sends Betsy's TP back to her or just statues her and attacks her with MFTL+ blast.

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Psylocke being immune to reality warping is a misconception, she was not affected by House of M because she was in White Hot Room with Rachel. Outside of multiverse.

Anyways it's just funny how ppl claim Psylocke is faster, both SW and Betsy have average human speeds, scans don't prove anything bcs reaction speed is a PIS.

Anyways team Scarlet Witch wins.

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@josh983: Sure thing

She takes down Archangel who at the time was stated to have Apocalype's level of psionic resistance. It's worth noting the author mentioned that this was the moment where Psylocke's telepathy had reached a point where she was now peers with the likes of Jean Grey and Charles Xavier. It is certainly hyperbole, but still shows the intent for her power levels

Here she puts Archangel to sleep. He was possessed by Shadow King at the time so it's unclear if this would strengthen his mind from other TP attacks since Shadow King's power is over him

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TP attack on Jamie Braddock twice

On Sabretooth as well

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She also kills Magneto, or close to it. He wanted her to do it, but using it as an example of her taking down someone through telepathic means, and he still has formidable psychic defenses

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She also has feats of taking down soldiers with direct mind attacks

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Team Betsy. Wanda cannot hang with powerful telepaths

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Unless Psylocke carries hard Team Wanda wins easy.