Tatsumaki vs Boros

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The Dominator of the Universe

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The Tornado of Terror

  • In character
  • Both at full power
  • Anime/Manga/Webcomic feats
  • Battleground is the ruins of Z-City

Round 1 - CSRC is restricted

Round 2 - CSRC is unrestricted, but Tatsumaki has full knowledge of it

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#2  Edited By GangOrca

R1: Boros given his scaling to Awakened Garou and huge speed advantage.

R2: Boros, Tatsumaki won't be able to stop CSRC if Boros decides to fire it unless she can somehow beat him prior to using it (which then leads back to my answer for round 1).

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Boros both rounds due to scaling above her

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Tatsumaki wins,

we don’t even know how fast Boros is while we saw psykos beams reach continental range in 1 panel the same beams Tatsumaki could dodge effortlessly or stop dead in they’re tracks, Pyskos raw power is above a standard normal punch from Saitama which we saw could make Boros cough out blood, plus she can comfortably fight thousands of feet in the sky while talking and communicating with people on the ground,

Orochi in an extremely weakened state (Head Glob) basically no sold a combined attack from

(Atomic Samurai, Darkshine, puri puri, and Bang and bomb, who could break elders centipede shell and temporary hurt overgrown rover who was only k,Od by a no killing intent normal punch)

Tatsumaki had no problem turning an a much much amped Orochi into a string of bloody guts an a instant, so she can definitely hurt Boros and his regeneration unlike psykorochi is not instant and he has insane stamina problems, he’s not getting past her shield which withstood psykos beams, with his bare fist. Tatsumaki wrecks him in round one,

Rd 2 his only win option is to use his final attack Tatsumaki could probably turn his body in the opposite direction and make him fire it into space or something,

It’s a toss up, stop saying he scales to Garou when he does not Saitama let him do everything he wanted offensively then once Saitama went on the attack Boros regeneration saved him, Garou outright dodged deflected and survived Saitama offensive onslaught.

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Boros smacks her around...

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#7  Edited By GangOrca

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Tatsumaki wins,

we don’t even know how fast Boros is while we saw psykos beams reach continental range in 1 panel

Boros is sub-light speed given statements from Murata about his aura and that he scales above Geryuganshoop's TK speed which is also sub-light speed according to Murata.

Pyskos raw power is above a standard normal punch from Saitama which we saw could make Boros cough out blood,

Headcanon, it comes down to how much power Saitama was using and we know he was taking Boros more seriously than other monsters given how he actually acknowledged Boros's power.

Orochi in an extremely weakened state (Head Glob) basically no sold a combined attack from

(Atomic Samurai, Darkshine, puri puri, and Bang and bomb, who could break elders centipede shell and temporary hurt overgrown rover who was only k,Od by a no killing intent normal punch)

No-sold??? Orochi was spilling out blood with every attack they hit him with, what are you talking about?

Also, Boros is definitely more durable than Orochi. That much should be clear given that a fully-powered Orochi bursted into pieces from a normal punch while it took consecutive normal punches to do the same to Boros (and from a Saitama who was likely holding back less).

Tatsumaki had no problem turning an a much much amped Orochi into a string of bloody guts an a instant,

That is faulty scaling, especially given that Psykorochi's head was said to be completely hollow.

so she can definitely hurt Boros and his regeneration unlike psykorochi is not instant

His regen is significantly better than hers in Meteoric Burst. Her regen is above his base stats.

and he has insane stamina problems, he’s not getting past her shield which withstood psykos beams, with his bare fist. Tatsumaki wrecks him in round one,

Boros's attacks were melting apart his ship as a side affect of attacking Saitama, the same ship that can withstand Saitama's moon jump and briefly stay afloat after the serious punch/CSRC clash. Combined that with his speed and he can hit Tatsumaki thousands of times before he starts to really fatigue.

I doubt her barriers will hold up for that long.

Rd 2 his only win option is to use his final attack Tatsumaki could probably turn his body in the opposite direction and make him fire it into space or something,

That's assuming Tatsumaki is strong enough to overpower Boros.

It’s a toss up, stop saying he scales to Garou when he does not

So I take it you know more about the series than ONE then?

Saitama let him do everything he wanted offensively then once Saitama went on the attack Boros regeneration saved him, Garou outright dodged deflected and survived Saitama offensive onslaught.

Saitama was taking Garou less seriously than Boros, that should be obvious. Not only did he not want to kill him unlike with Boros, but Saitama later became more serious and was landing many hits which Garou was unable to defend from.

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Tatsumaki gets stomped

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Boros still stomps hard.

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#10  Edited By Carlator1

According to the cannon secert one punch man notes compus (just search it) thing csrc is actually star level and his restricted armored form is planetary level. So he stomps both rounds bc his base destructive power is already higher than pyskos and orochi. The guide also says about meteoric burst that it pushes him to surpass the limits of speed and strgenth of his opponent. Boros stomps.

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@gangorca: Genry TK speed is no where near sublight and even if it was ONE said Orochi could stomp all of Boros top men, which would imply he could react as well,

No where near head canon Saitama normal punch hasn’t shown anything on the level of continental and that’s a fact, Saitama did not take Boros serious at all he pitied Boros because he faced the same problems he did not having a worthy opponent so Saitama decided to entertain him Boros even says he was no match in the end,

Okay I wouldn’t say no sold but he was basically in the same condition minus psykos fleeing from his body, if anything Saitama took Orochi much more serious he wanted him dead the moment he knew he was a monster he didn’t toy with Orochi at all, Nor am I saying Regular Orochi is in Boros league durability wise I was referring back to psykorochi who went from being able to destroy part of the monster base to continental meaning the power increase was insanely large,

Boros ship durability is garbage stop trying to overrated it the bullets Tatsumaki sent at the ship did heavy damage to the bottom of the ship and they were only city level psykos attack would quite literally vaporize the ship in a swift instant, your brought up Saitama serious punch and CRSC to prove what? None of that even touch the ship,

His Regen is not close to being better, Tatsumaki destroyed Psykorochi body many of times and the latter regenerated nigh instantly with no side effects of exhaustion Boros only had to regen once, Murata made it a point to show you need to destroy every ounce of Orochi to kill him even his roots that were miles below the surface,

Tatsumaki destroyed about 90% of the body not just the head.

Tatsumaki barriers blocked attacks much much stronger than Boros striking power his moon kick has only been calculated at multi mountain level to island level continental is tiers above that, Boros is not that much faster to where he can throw 1000 punches before Tatsumaki could react also how would he stay airborne for that long? Anyways? Tatsumaki stopped a super charged beam from psykos with one hand while keeping genos afloat then flicked it away like it was chump change Boros has no feats to suggest he can over power his tk with his physical abilities, he gets caught and destroyed,

Stop trying to bring the author word into this Tatsumaki in the manga dwarfs her webcomic counterpart which is where the comparison between Garou and Boros was made, the power scaling as certainly rose since that statement which was years ago,

Tatsumaki has this, people saying Boros stomp is just in denial

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#13  Edited By GangOrca

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Genry TK speed is no where near sublight

7/5/2018

A: hm~, I'm not sure. Black holes seem too powerful. I won't know for sure without asking ONE. But his ability to control flying object should be above Tatsumaki, because he can eliminate the friction between rocks and air. If Tatsumaki throws rocks like he does, her output will be too powerful, the temperature increase due to friction and pressure, and evaporate the rocks in an instant. Geryuganshoop's psychokinesis can eliminate the friction between objects and air, the rocks will fly at sub-light speed*, that's the setting I based my drawing on. Tatsumaki can throw very large objects, but there's a limit to how fast she can throw them. Geryuganshoop is the greatest psychic in the universe after all. That's what I think. (he repeats this several times)

Murata: Saitama still beat him with a casual stone throw though. In Saitama's eyes rocks at sub-light speed is nothing, it's like a bad joke.

T/N: The Japanese used here is 亜光速, can mean sub-light or near lightspeed. Murata says Geryuganshoop being the greatest psychic in the universe in ajoking manner.

https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Interviews/Stream_Q/A_4

and even if it was ONE said Orochi could stomp all of Boros top men, which would imply he could react as well,

This ABC logic doesn't work. You can have faster projectiles and still lose to someone if the projectiles have little effect (also it was Murata who said that, not ONE).

No where near head canon Saitama normal punch hasn’t shown anything on the level of continental and that’s a fact,

It's headcanon to say Psykorochi is stronger than a normal punch based off feats Saitama has done when normal punches range in power depending on how much effort he puts into it.

Saitama did not take Boros serious at all he pitied Boros because he faced the same problems he did not having a worthy opponent so Saitama decided to entertain him Boros even says he was no match in the end,

Read what I said again, Saitama took him MORE seriously than other monsters he has fought. I'm not saying Saitama was actually serious against Boros.

Okay I wouldn’t say no sold but he was basically in the same condition minus psykos fleeing from his body,

Fair enough.

if anything Saitama took Orochi much more serious he wanted him dead the moment he knew he was a monster he didn’t toy with Orochi at all,

Saitama didn't toy with Boros either, he was just purposely holding back like he does to everyone, including Orochi. The difference is Saitama actually acknowledges Boros's power while nothing about Orochi even remotely impressed him.

Nor am I saying Regular Orochi is in Boros league durability wise I was referring back to psykorochi who went from being able to destroy part of the monster base to continental meaning the power increase was insanely large,

But Psykorochi's power output =/= her durability unless you want to include her TK shields as part of her durability.

Boros ship durability is garbage stop trying to overrated it the bullets Tatsumaki sent at the ship did heavy damage to the bottom of the ship and they were only city level

They did zero major damage. Point to me one scan of Boros's ship taking "heavy damage" to the bottom other than the shells simply exploding upon impact with the ship.

psykos attack would quite literally vaporize the ship in a swift instant, your brought up Saitama serious punch and CRSC to prove what? None of that even touch the ship,

Except by virtue of being where they clashed, the ship still didn't get destroyed by the clash. Boros wasn't actively punching his ship either but was still doing damage to it by just attacking Saitama. While I don't think the ship is tanking Psykorochi's beam, you are severely underestimating it's durability.

His Regen is not close to being better, Tatsumaki destroyed Psykorochi body many of times and the latter regenerated nigh instantly with no side effects of exhaustion Boros only had to regen once,

Boros regenerated his body faster and Psykorochi only ended up regenerating her body once, not "many times", and it requires blood from other monsters for the regeneration to be fully effective.

Tatsumaki barriers blocked attacks much much stronger than Boros striking power his moon kick has only been calculated at multi mountain level to island level continental is tiers above that,

Oh god, I'm so tired of this argument. Don't even feel like debunking the white noise.

Boros is not that much faster to where he can throw 1000 punches before Tatsumaki could react also how would he stay airborne for that long?

The same way Saitama can stay airborne for so long... by using his immense physical might. Also, Boros is significantly faster than Tatsumaki, multiple times. She has no statements pointing to her being sub-light in speed or reactions, the best she has is MHS+ scaling.

Anyways? Tatsumaki stopped a super charged beam from psykos with one hand while keeping genos afloat then flicked it away like it was chump

While having to use her full might, which is shown in the same chapter that she can't manage for an extended period of time.

change Boros has no feats to suggest he can over power his tk with his physical abilities, he gets caught and destroyed,

So you think Tatsumaki can tear apart Awakened Garou with TK? Got it.

Stop trying to bring the author word into this

You literally tried to bring another one of Murata's words in your response to me.

Tatsumaki in the manga dwarfs her webcomic counterpart which is where the comparison between Garou and Boros was made,

Manga Boros also dwarfs his webcomic counterpart. Your point?

the power scaling as certainly rose since that statement which was years ago,

True, but that statement still applies until there is an established hard cap for Boros that can be broken by Garou and Tatsumaki (which there isn't) or if ONE or Murata decide to say that Awakened Garou is stronger than Boros now (which they haven't).

Tatsumaki has this, people saying Boros stomp is just in denial

No, they just didn't buy into the Psykorochi hype as hard as the casuals did.

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@gangorca Going all out on this guy! lol!

As for the answer. Boros is already at the established power ceiling for Not-Saitama characters, along with Garou. I'm not sure if ONE will break this ceiling eventually, but he hasn't yet.

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Boros still stomps.

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#17  Edited By DutchDread

Tatsumaki wins mid diff.

Boros has no strength of will feats so unless evidence is provided he's vulnerable to her psychic control.

Boros is severely damaged by Regular punches, Tatsumaki has better offensive feats than regular punches.

Tatsumaki has 0-damage tanked attacks with enough penetrative force to blast through thousand of miles of earth, Boros has not shown any attacks with that level of penetrative ability. His best non-MB attack is only slightly more impressive than Genos' attack in episode 3. Not nearly enough to harm her.

Boros is a melee fighter, Tatsumaki flies.

Boros has a technique to send people into space, but Tatsumaki can fly and has her own atmosphere.

Boros' attacks all have a long charge up time, or require him to get to his target, Tatsumakis attack are instant.

Tatsumaki has the more versatile skill set.

Tatsumaki has the better strategic feats.

Weakened Tatsumaki outsped (casual) Saitama during her fight with him, giving her better speed feats than Boros.

Boros' only potentially competitive form (meteoric burst) leaves him exhausted after a few attacks and is ill-suited to prolonged combat, Tatsumaki while defending has the highest defensive feats in the story and has never shown to be damaged while focusing all her power on defense.

The only potential attack Boros' has that may have enough energy to damage Tatsumaki is an AOE attack (CSRC) with relatively minor single target damage and leaves him defenseless and without energy. Not only that, but Tatsumaki has been specifically shown to deflect similar beams with more penetrative force.

Basically Boros doesn't have a shot, he'll hold out a while because of regeneration, but ultimately he can't really do much.

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that salty sb dude is here

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Tatsumaki does not win

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Boros sits on her.

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Boros stomps

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Boros has no strength of will feats so unless evidence is provided he's vulnerable to her psychic control.

He fought to his very end against Saitama without faultering at his power. Black Sperm/Golden Sperm is not a very strong-willed character burt wasn't completely subjective to her psychic powers thanks to his physical might, something which Boros has in full.

Boros is severely damaged by Regular punches, Tatsumaki has better offensive feats than regular punches.

Featwise, sure. But the truth of your statement depends on the effort Saitama puts into his punches.

Tatsumaki has 0-damage tanked attacks with enough penetrative force to blast through thousand of miles of earth, Boros has not shown any attacks with that level of penetrative ability.

Maybe not but Boros can definitely replicate that power with time.

His best non-MB attack is only slightly more impressive than Genos' attack in episode 3. Not nearly enough to harm her.

It's much more impressive than Genos's feat. It blew a created a multi-kilometer sized explosion and hole in Boros's ship, the same ship that withstood it's own bombardment with far less damage.

Boros is a melee fighter, Tatsumaki flies.

Boros has a technique to send people into space, but Tatsumaki can fly and has her own atmosphere.

It's like you think Boros can't propel himself into the air. Not to mention he is much faster.

Boros' attacks all have a long charge up time, or require him to get to his target, Tatsumakis attack are instant.

Only his energy blasts require charge up time. One of which is above anything Tatsumaki has dealt with.

Tatsumaki has the more versatile skill set.

Tatsumaki has the better strategic feats.

Tatsumaki isn't versatile enough to make the versatility difference matter outside of shields and direct TK range. I don't see her coming up with any strategy outside of keeping her distance from Boros and attacking him with her superior range which can be quickly closed.

Weakened Tatsumaki outsped (casual) Saitama during her fight with him, giving her better speed feats than Boros.

That's not even what happened in that fight. Murata has explicitly stated Tatsumaki has a limit to how fast she can throw objects (which would by extension, include herself) due to friction in the air while Boros can ignore this with his energy in MB form.

Boros' only potentially competitive form (meteoric burst) leaves him exhausted after a few attacks and is ill-suited to prolonged combat, Tatsumaki while defending has the highest defensive feats in the story and has never shown to be damaged while focusing all her power on defense.

So are we going to pretend Tatsumaki has a higher defense than Saitama (splitting CSRC unharmed)?

Also, MB should definitely do damage given that Boros was passively melting and destroying his ship while attacking Saitama, the same ship that stayed afloat for quite some time against the moon jump and the drawbacks of the serious punch clash.

The only potential attack Boros' has that may have enough energy to damage Tatsumaki is an AOE attack (CSRC) with relatively minor single target damage and leaves him defenseless and without energy. Not only that, but Tatsumaki has been specifically shown to deflect similar beams with more penetrative force.

The bolded is headcanon so I'll ignore it. Even if the fight came down to CSRC and it does deplete him of energy, there's nothing Tatsumaki can do to survive it. Defelcting a continental+ beam won't allow her to do the same against a surface level attack.

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#23  Edited By DutchDread

He fought to his very end against Saitama without faultering at his power

Great, not a strength of will feat.

Black Sperm/Golden Sperm is not a very strong-willed character

Apparently he was, which isn't to be wondered at since he's the combined form of trillions of wills.

It's much more impressive than Genos's feat. It blew a created a multi-kilometer sized explosion

And demon level Genos vaporized a cliffside, not saying what Boros did wasn't better, it's definitely bigger, but we're talking about the difference between a 7 and a 10 when Tats has tanked a thousand.

That's not even what happened in that fight

Yes she did, Saitama tried to save a bus, Tatsumaki beat him to the punch, more impressive speed feat than anything Boros has shown, you don't want to accept it since it's against Saitama, who wasn't trying, then congrats, then you also instantly lose every speed feat Boros has.

So are we going to pretend Tatsumaki has a higher defense than Saitama

Well, for one, I tend to not count Saitama, but yes, because I don't see that as a defensive feat, it was an offensive feat which blew away Boros' attack, but this is really semantics and not worth arguing about.

MB should definitely do damage given that Boros was passively melting and destroying his ship while attacking Saitama

Not impressive, and whether or not it stays up and whether or not it's damaged superficially are separate matters entirely.

The bolded is headcanon so I'll ignore it

No it's not, The attack explicitly stated to wipe the surface, therefore, it's superficial damage, less penetrating than blasting through thousands of miles of rock.

I don't know if wiping the surface means it just scorches everything on the surface, or if it melt it 100 miles deep, but neither of those is as penetrating as a drilling beam that even in a cutting motion cut through thousands of miles in an instant and kept going.

Feat wise, Tatsumaki stomps Boros, and more importantly, narratively she absolutely hard counters him.

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By quantifiable feats, Tatsumaki wins. Once Boros starts scaling to manga AG, then this'll probably change, but that hasn't happened yet.

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#27  Edited By GangOrca

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Great, not a strength of will feat.

What? Fighting while relentlessly using up power against an unharmed opponent while getting torn apart and still wants to keep on fighting until he dies is NOT a will power feat? Yeah, total bollocks.

Apparently he was, which isn't to be wondered at since he's the combined form of trillions of wills.

Prove that Sperm combines his willpowers. Black Sperm says it's only one cell with the strength of trillions in a LITERAL sense.

And demon level Genos vaporized a cliffside

At most it was pulverized, there was no indication of vaporization.

not saying what Boros did wasn't better, it's definitely bigger, but we're talking about the difference between a 7 and a 10 when Tats has tanked a thousand.

Boros's blast is far better by feats and scaling than Genos's blast unless you think base Kabuto can tank non-MB Boros.

Yes she did, Saitama tried to save a bus, Tatsumaki beat him to the punch, more impressive speed feat than anything Boros has shown,

Yeah, and that's not outspeeding Saitama. That just means she reacted to the bus faster than Saitama react AND could run over to it. In a flat out speed contest, Sonic was keeping up with weakened Tatsumaki in the same fight.

you don't want to accept it since it's against Saitama, who wasn't trying, then congrats, then you also instantly lose every speed feat Boros has.

He still doesn't lose quotes from Murata that say MB aura allows for sub-light travel without harm as well as scaling to Geryuganshoop who has sub-light speed TK according to Murata.

Well, for one, I tend to not count Saitama, but yes, because I don't see that as a defensive feat, it was an offensive feat which blew away Boros' attack, but this is really semantics and not worth arguing about.

Punch a brick wall at full speed and your fist will be bruised and broken. Saitama punched a beam directed at him that had the power to destroy the planet's surface and had no injuries. This isn't an isekai anime, Saitama's durability should logically scale to his strength unless demonstrated otherwise.

Not impressive, and whether or not it stays up and whether or not it's damaged superficially are separate matters entirely.

It is very impressive given the ships durability. And no, both instances matter if the ship is still in one piece in order to stay afloat in the first place.

No it's not, The attack explicitly stated to wipe the surface, therefore, it's superficial damage, less penetrating than blasting through thousands of miles of rock.

A surface wiping attack isn't automatically AOE only, you can still have an attack that wipes out the surface but the explosion would still be far more devastating at the center of the attack than on the other side of the world. And even if it was, it starts off as a concentrated beam. In other words, saying CSRC is only has minimal individual damage is headcanon.

Feat wise, Tatsumaki stomps Boros

Featwise, BoS Genos is more powerful than G4 Genos but using scaling and statements we know for certain that isn't the case.

and more importantly, narratively she absolutely hard counters him.

Not even. Her best attribute is once again her range which is also countered by his superior speed and ability to propel himself using energy.

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What? Fighting while relentlessly using up power against an unharmed opponent while getting torn apart and still wants to keep on fighting until he dies is NOT a will power feat?

Nope, for one it's not quantifiable, and secondly, it's not strength of will to do what you want. Boros wanted a fight, he got a fight, not a strength of will feat. We never saw him mentally push himself beyond his limits the way we've seen for for instance Garou, or Tatsumaki, or hell, I'd argue even Mumen rider.

Prove that Sperm combines his willpowers

Don't have to, you have the burden of proof here, It's stated that you need a strong sense of will to resist Tatsumakis control, Golden sperm resisted Tatsumakis control, therefore he has a massive strength of will, period, end of discussion. I don't much care how he got such a strength of will, if it's because of his trillion cells, or some other reason, I just think it makes sense, but either way, nothing about Golden sperm will ever get you 1 mm closer to showing that Boros would be able to resist her,

Black Sperm says it's only one cell with the strength of trillions in a LITERAL sense

Prove it

At most it was pulverized, there was no indication of vaporization

Only it was a clean cut and there was no rubble, so if you want to pretend there is, prove it.

Boros's blast is far better by feats and scaling than Genos's blast unless you think base Kabuto can tank non-MB Boros.

Yeah, I said it's probably a 10 to Genos' 7, not only that, but Genos never attacked Kabuto with both hands like he did the house of evolution. So released Boros vs Kabuto? Boros' wins pretty easilly. But released Boros vs Carnage kabuto? Yeah, seems pretty equal.

Both get critical damage from normal punches, the fights are similarly animated, the portrayed level of damage is similar.

For narrative reasons I'd probably still rate Boros higher, but yeah, now we're putting released Boros closer to where he belongs. Hell, MB-Boros received a comparable amount of damage from consecutive normal punches as the beast king, the House of evolution number 2,

Yeah, and that's not outspeeding Saitama. That just means she reacted to the bus faster than Saitama react AND could run over to it. In a flat out speed contest, Sonic was keeping up with weakened Tatsumaki in the same fight.

That was a long way to say "Tatsumaki indeed has better speed feats"

He still doesn't lose quotes from Murata that say MB aura allows for sub-light travel without harm as well as scaling to Geryuganshoop who has sub-light speed TK according to Murata.

Last I checked that was a specific technique used for the moon kick for which we have zero specifics. But if you want to use it to show that Boros is better at intergalactic travel, I am perfectly willing to accept it. Unless you actually show him using it to travel at light speeds while fighting it gets you nowhere.

Punch a brick wall at full spe

Dude, I am not arguing with you about whether Newtonian physics prove that Saitamas serious punch counts as a defensive feat, I don't care, you and I both know I am not saying Tatsumaki has a higher defense than Saitama.

It is very impressive given the ships durability. And no, both instances matter if the ship is still in one piece in order to stay afloat in the first place.

All I've seen is the ship getting easily destroyed by TTM, Tatsumaki, Geryuganshoop, metalknight, Boros, and Saitama, saying the attacks are strong because they harmed the ship, and the ship is strong because it without the attacks is too circular for me to take seriously.

A surface wiping attack isn't automatically AOE only, you can still have an attack that wipes out the surface but the explosion would still be far more devastating at the center of the attack than on the other side of the world. And even if it was, it starts off as a concentrated beam. In other words, saying CSRC is only has minimal individual damage is headcanon.

In which case it wouldn't be surface wiping. But if you think it's stronger, then prove it.

Featwise, BoS Genos is more powerful than G4 Genos but using scaling and statements we know for certain that isn't the case.

And using scaling, statements, and comprehensive reading, we know for certain Tatsumaki stomps Boros.

Not even. Her best attribute is once again her range which is also countered by his superior speed and ability to propel himself using energy.

I think you meant to say that Boros' best attribute is his regeneration, which is countered by Tats' superior speed, defense, durability, attack damage, versatility, intelligence, movement options, attack speed, attack type, and narrative placement.

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#30  Edited By GangOrca

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Nope, for one it's not quantifiable, and secondly, it's not strength of will to do what you want. Boros wanted a fight, he got a fight, not a strength of will feat. We never saw him mentally push himself beyond his limits the way we've seen for for instance Garou, or Tatsumaki, or hell, I'd argue even Mumen rider.

If Boros is on the brink of defeat and doesn't continue to faulter, it's willpower that's keeping him going. I don't know where you got the idea that it's not willpower to actively do something that you want then use Garou of all people as the contrary, someone that only pushes himself to do what he wants to do.

Don't have to, you have the burden of proof here, It's stated that you need a strong sense of will to resist Tatsumakis control, Golden sperm resisted Tatsumakis control, therefore he has a massive strength of will, period, end of discussion. I don't much care how he got such a strength of will, if it's because of his trillion cells, or some other reason, I just think it makes sense, but either way, nothing about Golden sperm will ever get you 1 mm closer to showing that Boros would be able to resist her,

I mean, what am I supposed to do to prove otherwise? Do you want me to post the whole list of webcomic chapters to show Black Sperm never says that his willpower is increasing with his merging.

Why don't you prove to me that it's his willpower that resisted her and, oh I don't know, not his immense strength? If you are only going to end the discussion without any questions then you are being intentionally ignorant. Golden Sperm has no different traits from his regular self aside from the overconfidence of being too strong for any of the heroes to beat (even then he gets terrified at the sight of King) and that's obviously not willpower unless you think Darkshine is a strong-willed person.

Only it was a clean cut and there was no rubble,

You can see all the rubble and debris around Saitama and Genos and we can easily deduct the same for the mountain behind it from the obvious smoke, not vapor.

so if you want to pretend there is, prove it.

You are using the burden of proof incorrectly. YOU made a claim and YOU have to back it up.

Yeah, I said it's probably a 10 to Genos' 7, not only that, but Genos never attacked Kabuto with both hands like he did the house of evolution.

Genos's attack was casual with two hands while he was enraged when he blasted Kabuto to which he blew it away with his breath with ease. It's not hard to believe Kabuto could do the same with a two handed blast, but it's pure downplay to say he could do it with Boros.

So released Boros vs Kabuto? Boros' wins pretty easilly. But released Boros vs Carnage kabuto? Yeah, seems pretty equal.

Both get critical damage from normal punches, the fights are similarly animated, the portrayed level of damage is similar.

Non-MB Boros had is strength complimented by Saitama and survived a normal punch while Saitama didn't give a shit about Kabuto and then obliterated him with a normal punch. They aren't comparable, and not all of Saitama's normal punches are the same level of strength, like the one he did on Orochi vs to the one he does on Kombu Infinity.

For narrative reasons I'd probably still rate Boros higher, but yeah, now we're putting released Boros closer to where he belongs. Hell, MB-Boros received a comparable amount of damage from consecutive normal punches as the beast king, the House of evolution number 2,

See above.

That was a long way to say "Tatsumaki indeed has better speed feats"

That's a short way to say "screw what's actually shown, my interpretation".

Last I checked that was a specific technique used for the moon kick for which we have zero specifics. But if you want to use it to show that Boros is better at intergalactic travel, I am perfectly willing to accept it. Unless you actually show him using it to travel at light speeds while fighting it gets you nowhere.

That technique is meteoric burst which he uses for combat speed situations.

Dude, I am not arguing with you about whether Newtonian physics prove that Saitamas serious punch counts as a defensive feat, I don't care, you and I both know I am not saying Tatsumaki has a higher defense than Saitama.

Clearly you do need a reminder given that you think Tatsumaki has the best durability feats in the story.

All I've seen is the ship getting easily destroyed by TTM, Tatsumaki, Geryuganshoop, metalknight, Boros, and Saitama,

TMM did zero damage to the ship, Tatsumaki did little damage despite throwing it's city leveling bombardment and tons of rubble at it, Geryuganshoop made only small holes from throwing rubble at relativistic speeds, and Metal Knight had to manage the already broken ship by pieces over the course of 7 days using tons of machines, which is a feat for him. Boros and Saitama are self-explanatory.

saying the attacks are strong because they harmed the ship, and the ship is strong because it without the attacks is too circular for me to take seriously.

This argument falls apart once you compare the level of damage Boros and Saitama did to everyone else.

In which case it wouldn't be surface wiping. But if you think it's stronger, then prove it.

Why would it not be surface wiping just because the center of the blast has less AP then it would on the other side of the world? It's not rocket science, You can have both a massive AP and AOE for an attack. Regardless, the energy required to wipe out the surfac of a planet should be multi-continental (and databooks explicitly say the attack shaves the Earth). That's significantly better than Psykorochi's feat of lauching a large country-sized landmass dozens of kilometers above the ground.

And using scaling, statements, and comprehensive reading, we know for certain Tatsumaki stomps Boros.

Scaling to Awakened Garou says otherwise. Tatsumaki has no statements even in the country level, let alone surface level. And narratively speaking, Boros is a take of a world ending threat that was avoid without anyone having a clue about it.

I think you meant to say that Boros' best attribute is his regeneration,

Not even, his energy and speed are the major factors over Tatsumaki.

which is countered by Tats' superior speed,

Remind me when Tats is sub-light.

defense,

Which I doubt with Boros and Awakened Garou scaling but we'll see.

durability,

LMAO Tatsumaki literally has human level durability outside of her defenses. Are you okay? I think you need to get off the internet for today.

attack damage, attack speed,

Tatsumaki still has no speed showings that justifies her having better attack speed and she's only above Boros's singular punches and kicks.

and narrative placement.

No narrative in OPM places her above Boros. It's hilarious that before the Psykorochi feat, people thought Boros would fodderize the S-Class from every perspective but now, apparently, the narrative of OPM had Tatsumaki stomping the whole time with nothing to show for it. Loli wankers are something else.

versatility, intelligence, movement options, attack type,

The only things you got right. Unfortunately, these aren't enough. I think this will ultimately be an agree to disagree if you honestly believe in so much of all the stuff that you've said.

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why is this even a debate? Boros stomps both rounds

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#32  Edited By nwname  Moderator

@gangorca: Tatsumaki survived that lightning attack Psykorochi used after stabbing her with the spikes. We dont know how strong those lightnings are but its clearly a superhuman durability feat. Also i dont think she countered the 300 Gs attack with TK as she actually fell to the ground. Its nor all that great but would have killed any normal human for sure. She also got hit by a small explosion the came from Genos deflecting Psykorochi beam for the first time.

OT: Boros but it might be somewhat closer than i thought before. Tatsumaki likely wouldnt get vaporized by a single Meteoric Burst punch.

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Boros Meteoric Burst scales above Tatsumaki's regular attacks and he's faster than her since it was stated that he's near-light speed.

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#34  Edited By GangOrca

@nwname said:

@gangorca: Tatsumaki survived that lightning attack Psykorochi used after stabbing her with the spikes. We dont know how strong those lightnings are but its clearly a superhuman durability feat. Also i dont think she countered the 300 Gs attack with TK as she actually fell to the ground. Its nor all that great but would have killed any normal human for sure. She also got hit by a small explosion the came from Genos deflecting Psykorochi beam for the first time.

Oh yeah, forgot about the electricity feat. I think her withstanding 300 G's involved some TK because I doubt she has dragon level physicals and her hair was standing up in it. Also, when was this small explosion.

Edit: Found it, but it didn't seem to do much. I'll put her durability at superhuman but nothing even close to the likes of Puri Puri, much less Boros.

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Hmm Well Lets wait for more showing for tatsumaki, but for now Boros wins low to mid diff

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Boros is still too fast for Tats they both stomps naruto though

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Boros stomps.

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#39 nwname  Moderator

@gangorca said:
@nwname said:

@gangorca: Tatsumaki survived that lightning attack Psykorochi used after stabbing her with the spikes. We dont know how strong those lightnings are but its clearly a superhuman durability feat. Also i dont think she countered the 300 Gs attack with TK as she actually fell to the ground. Its nor all that great but would have killed any normal human for sure. She also got hit by a small explosion the came from Genos deflecting Psykorochi beam for the first time.

Oh yeah, forgot about the electricity feat. I think her withstanding 300 G's involved some TK because I doubt she has dragon level physicals and her hair was standing up in it. Also, when was this small explosion.

Edit: Found it, but it didn't seem to do much. I'll put her durability at superhuman but nothing even close to the likes of Puri Puri, much less Boros.

I dont think 300Gs with a body as small as hers is anywhere close to dragon level physicals. That would make the feat like 10 tons. At least several tiger levels are above that.

Looks to me like she took it for a bit without and actually fell and stopped the fall with her legs (her hair looks completely straight too like someone accelerating down). After that her hair started floating "normally" along with the rocks around her.

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Boros murders

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Boros one shots her verse

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#44  Edited By GangOrca

@nwname said:

I dont think 300Gs with a body as small as hers is anywhere close to dragon level physicals. That would make the feat like 10 tons. At least several tiger levels are above that.

Well, it would make no sense for it not to be a dragon level attack if just before that, Gyoro Gyoro condensed a hundreds of tons of concrete around her to no effect. Why would she think her gravity would work if the former didn't?

Looks to me like she took it for a bit without and actually fell and stopped the fall with her legs (her hair looks completely straight too like someone accelerating down). After that her hair started floating "normally" along with the rocks around her.

I wouldn't be so sure as her psychic energy seems to be surrounding her in both pages.

It would be kind of crazy if Tatsumaki really did take that gravity without her powers. She'd be able to lift all of the S-Class with just physical strength.

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@thingthegoat said:

Boros one shots her verse

They are in the same verse ahhaahahahah

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Tatsumaki both rounds boros is overrated

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...... No Boros one shot her right now, but I think it will change in the future