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#1  Edited By darkzola

1 hour prep time, abandoned warehouse. Both excellent hand to hand fighters and weapon specialist's.

Whos wins and why?

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#2  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator

Taskmaster.SLAUGHTERHOUSE.

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#3  Edited By Precise
Vance Astro said:
"SLAUGHTERHOUSE."
Ah, a new way to say curbstomp i see :p
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#4  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
Precise said:
"Vance Astro said:
"SLAUGHTERHOUSE."
Ah, a new way to say curbstomp i see :p"
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Taskmaster for the win.
I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.
Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well.

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#7  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
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"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
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#8  Edited By Erik
Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
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Burn. 
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Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
"
And he has also had good showings in the past against other very talented fighters.
Look at all the evidence not just single showings.
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#10  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
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And he has also had good showings in the past against other very talented fighters.Look at all the evidence not just single showings."
I have looked at all the evidence.I have seen him beat or do well against any good fighters except the original Cap which really doesn't mean anything when you get owned by Colleen Wing and Diamondback.
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Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
"
And he has also had good showings in the past against other very talented fighters.Look at all the evidence not just single showings."
I have looked at all the evidence.I have seen him beat or do well against any good fighters except the original Cap which really doesn't mean anything when you get owned by Colleen Wing and Diamondback.
"
Then he falls in a similar category as Gladiator. We know what he can do and what he should be able to do but invariably he does not get to do it becuase of the writers.
Crossbones is 6' 4" and 290 lbs of muscle.
His strength, endurance and durability are all described as peak human and his agility and reflexes are not far behind.
He is an expert in streetfighting techniques and has mastered several martial arts.
He has faught Capt America (Rogers) effectively before Cap ultimately won (and this was on more than one occasion). He has also faught Dardevil and Bullseye as well.

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erik said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
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Burn. 
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#13  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
"
And he has also had good showings in the past against other very talented fighters.Look at all the evidence not just single showings."
I have looked at all the evidence.I have seen him beat or do well against any good fighters except the original Cap which really doesn't mean anything when you get owned by Colleen Wing and Diamondback.
"
Then he falls in a similar category as Gladiator. We know what he can do and what he should be able to do but invariably he does not get to do it becuase of the writers.Crossbones is 6' 4" and 290 lbs of muscle.His strength, endurance and durability are all described as peak human and his agility and reflexes are not far behind.He is an expert in streetfighting techniques and has mastered several martial arts.He has faught Capt America (Rogers) effectively before Cap ultimately won (and this was on more than one occasion). He has also faught Dardevil and Bullseye as well."
Crossbones doesn't fall into a similar category as Gladiator.He rightfully lost to everyone he lost to.Gladiator lost to people who logically couldn't even hurt him.
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#14  Edited By the creator
Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
"
And he has also had good showings in the past against other very talented fighters.Look at all the evidence not just single showings."
I have looked at all the evidence.I have seen him beat or do well against any good fighters except the original Cap which really doesn't mean anything when you get owned by Colleen Wing and Diamondback.
"
Then he falls in a similar category as Gladiator. We know what he can do and what he should be able to do but invariably he does not get to do it becuase of the writers.Crossbones is 6' 4" and 290 lbs of muscle.His strength, endurance and durability are all described as peak human and his agility and reflexes are not far behind.He is an expert in streetfighting techniques and has mastered several martial arts.He has faught Capt America (Rogers) effectively before Cap ultimately won (and this was on more than one occasion). He has also faught Dardevil and Bullseye as well."
Crossbones doesn't fall into a similar category as Gladiator.He rightfully lost to everyone he lost to.Gladiator lost to people who logically couldn't even hurt him.
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Collen Wing and Damondback...........

Diamondback: Athelete level abilities (to my knowledge), mid level streetfighting and jujitsu fighting skills and ability to throw small objects with great accuracy.
Collen Wing: Athelet level abilities (so again below peak human), mastery of traditional samurai fighting skills (hand to hand and swordmanship).

Neither of them should have taken Crossbones. His abilities and skills are greater.

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Collen Wing and Damondback...........Diamondback: Athelete level abilities (to my knowledge), mid level streetfighting and jujitsu fighting skills and ability to throw small objects with great accuracy.Collen Wing: Athelet level abilities (so again below peak human), mastery of traditional samurai fighting skills (hand to hand and swordmanship).Neither of them should have taken Crossbones. His abilities and skills are greater."
I think the problem is your under-estimating Colleen & Diamondback.His abilities and skills obviously aren't greater.Have you read Daughters or the Dragon?
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#16  Edited By Erik
the creator said:
"erik said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
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Burn. 
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????"
I was just saying Vance burned Crossbones. I guess it was a pretty lame joke.
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Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
Collen Wing and Damondback...........Diamondback: Athelete level abilities (to my knowledge), mid level streetfighting and jujitsu fighting skills and ability to throw small objects with great accuracy.Collen Wing: Athelet level abilities (so again below peak human), mastery of traditional samurai fighting skills (hand to hand and swordmanship).Neither of them should have taken Crossbones. His abilities and skills are greater."
I think the problem is your under-estimating Colleen & Diamondback.His abilities and skills obviously aren't greater.Have you read Daughters or the Dragon?
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I did not read all of it.
I don't underestimate them. Both are very talented.
Compared to a Shield agent or even a member of the hand, I think that that each of them are far superior. Each could tangle with a number of agents or Hand assassins.
However Crossbones was the Red Skulls right hand man and chief assassin. That is a role that you don't get without having the skill to back it up.
This is a fighter who stood toe to toe with Capt America and actually did not go down quickly or easily.

Crossbones can stand up to Taskmaster but will get beaten but he won't go down easy. He is familar with both the fighting styles of DD and Cap, 2 styles that Taskmaster uses quite a lot.
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#18  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
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I did not read all of it.I don't underestimate them. Both are very talented.Compared to a Shield agent or even a member of the hand, I think that that each of them are far superior. Each could tangle with a number of agents or Hand assassins.However Crossbones was the Red Skulls right hand man and chief assassin. That is a role that you don't get without having the skill to back it up.This is a fighter who stood toe to toe with Capt America and actually did not go down quickly or easily.Crossbones can stand up to Taskmaster but will get beaten but he won't go down easy. He is familar with both the fighting styles of DD and Cap, 2 styles that Taskmaster uses quite a lot."
Taskmaster owned Cap.Crossbones didn't.
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"the creator said:
I did not read all of it.I don't underestimate them. Both are very talented.Compared to a Shield agent or even a member of the hand, I think that that each of them are far superior. Each could tangle with a number of agents or Hand assassins.However Crossbones was the Red Skulls right hand man and chief assassin. That is a role that you don't get without having the skill to back it up.This is a fighter who stood toe to toe with Capt America and actually did not go down quickly or easily.Crossbones can stand up to Taskmaster but will get beaten but he won't go down easy. He is familar with both the fighting styles of DD and Cap, 2 styles that Taskmaster uses quite a lot."
Taskmaster owned Cap.Crossbones didn't.
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Taskmaster knew Cap's virtual every move as he has his style copied.
To my knowledge Taskmaster does not know Crossbones style.
Hence he can come up with unexpected moves.

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#20  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
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Taskmaster knew Cap's virtual every move as he has his style copied.
To my knowledge Taskmaster does not know Crossbones style.
Hence he can come up with unexpected moves.

I seriously doubt that.
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Taskmaster stomp

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Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:

Taskmaster knew Cap's virtual every move as he has his style copied.
To my knowledge Taskmaster does not know Crossbones style.
Hence he can come up with unexpected moves.

I seriously doubt that.
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Then doubt if you choose but Taskmaster copies styles.
He has copied Captain America's amongst others.
When Cap goes to make a move i.e. shield bash, dodge, duck, punch, kick etc, Taskmaster can recognise this move and offer up a counter.
If he does not know his opponents style, Taskmaster must then rely on his own repotoire of stored moves and will obviously not be able to so easily predict his opponents actions.
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#23  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:

Taskmaster knew Cap's virtual every move as he has his style copied.
To my knowledge Taskmaster does not know Crossbones style.
Hence he can come up with unexpected moves.

I seriously doubt that.
"
Then doubt if you choose but Taskmaster copies styles.He has copied Captain America's amongst others.When Cap goes to make a move i.e. shield bash, dodge, duck, punch, kick etc, Taskmaster can recognise this move and offer up a counter.If he does not know his opponents style, Taskmaster must then rely on his own repotoire of stored moves and will obviously not be able to so easily predict his opponents actions."
I'm not doubting that..I'm doubting the fact that Crossbones will do anything unpredictable against Taskmaster....
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Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:

Taskmaster knew Cap's virtual every move as he has his style copied.
To my knowledge Taskmaster does not know Crossbones style.
Hence he can come up with unexpected moves.

I seriously doubt that.
"
Then doubt if you choose but Taskmaster copies styles.He has copied Captain America's amongst others.When Cap goes to make a move i.e. shield bash, dodge, duck, punch, kick etc, Taskmaster can recognise this move and offer up a counter.If he does not know his opponents style, Taskmaster must then rely on his own repotoire of stored moves and will obviously not be able to so easily predict his opponents actions."
I'm not doubting that..I'm doubting the fact that Crossbones will do anything unpredictable against Taskmaster....
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He does not know his style and therefore won't know what style / attack option Crossbones will use.
That's a lot different to almost knowing your opponents complete fighting style.
Using Cap as a point in that argument for Taskmaster winning is not a good option for this basic reason.
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Taskmaster

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#26  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:

Taskmaster knew Cap's virtual every move as he has his style copied.
To my knowledge Taskmaster does not know Crossbones style.
Hence he can come up with unexpected moves.

I seriously doubt that.
"
Then doubt if you choose but Taskmaster copies styles.He has copied Captain America's amongst others.When Cap goes to make a move i.e. shield bash, dodge, duck, punch, kick etc, Taskmaster can recognise this move and offer up a counter.If he does not know his opponents style, Taskmaster must then rely on his own repotoire of stored moves and will obviously not be able to so easily predict his opponents actions."
I'm not doubting that..I'm doubting the fact that Crossbones will do anything unpredictable against Taskmaster....
"
He does not know his style and therefore won't know what style / attack option Crossbones will use.That's a lot different to almost knowing your opponents complete fighting style.Using Cap as a point in that argument for Taskmaster winning is not a good option for this basic reason."
He doesn't have to know his style.He knows the styles of better fighters than Crossbones.It doesn't take long for him to read Crossbones and make his style his own.
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#27  Edited By the creator
Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:

Taskmaster knew Cap's virtual every move as he has his style copied.
To my knowledge Taskmaster does not know Crossbones style.
Hence he can come up with unexpected moves.

I seriously doubt that.
"
Then doubt if you choose but Taskmaster copies styles.He has copied Captain America's amongst others.When Cap goes to make a move i.e. shield bash, dodge, duck, punch, kick etc, Taskmaster can recognise this move and offer up a counter.If he does not know his opponents style, Taskmaster must then rely on his own repotoire of stored moves and will obviously not be able to so easily predict his opponents actions."
I'm not doubting that..I'm doubting the fact that Crossbones will do anything unpredictable against Taskmaster....
"
He does not know his style and therefore won't know what style / attack option Crossbones will use.That's a lot different to almost knowing your opponents complete fighting style.Using Cap as a point in that argument for Taskmaster winning is not a good option for this basic reason."
He doesn't have to know his style.He knows the styles of better fighters than Crossbones.It doesn't take long for him to read Crossbones and make his style his own.
"

He knows styles of people (like Cap and DD) that Crossbones has stood up to for minutes at a time.
Taskmaster (from a few of the examples I remember) had to see extensive footage of a person fighting to mirror their style, otherwise he only mirrors part of it.
Fighting a new opponent he has not yet copied will allow a few minutes for Crossbones to go through his range before Taskmaster copies his style.
A few minutes is not a few seconds and therefore not a Slaughterhouse.

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#28  Edited By Chaos Prime

Taskmaster ftw but CB doesnt go down like a pansy far from it.

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#29  Edited By dane

Taskmaster easily.

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#30  Edited By Magicalmoment

taskmaster wins

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#31  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
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He knows styles of people (like Cap and DD) that Crossbones has stood up to for minutes at a time.
Taskmaster (from a few of the examples I remember) had to see extensive footage of a person fighting to mirror their style, otherwise he only mirrors part of it.
Fighting a new opponent he has not yet copied will allow a few minutes for Crossbones to go through his range before Taskmaster copies his style.
A few minutes is not a few seconds and therefore not a Slaughterhouse.

Taskmaster knows the styles of damn near all the best fighters in the Marvel U.Crossbones isn't going to bring anything to the table he hasn't seen before.
Taskmaster more than likely knows what Crossbones can do anyway because Taskmaster helped train Crossbones.Taskmaster has seen Crossbones in action on several occasions.
Taskmaster at one point had to fight plenty of characters whose moves he didn't know.With him already having the moves of the best fighters in the Marvel U..I doubt he will be surprised by a mediocre fighter who has a long history of getting his face stomped in the dirt by people below the fighting skill level of Taskmaster.
It doesn't matter how long it takes for Taskmaster to take Crossbones out as long as Taskmaster is the decisive winner from the get go.If Crossbones doesn't touch him and Taskmaster is kicking his ass..it's still a slaughterhouse.
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#32  Edited By the creator
Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:

He knows styles of people (like Cap and DD) that Crossbones has stood up to for minutes at a time.
Taskmaster (from a few of the examples I remember) had to see extensive footage of a person fighting to mirror their style, otherwise he only mirrors part of it.
Fighting a new opponent he has not yet copied will allow a few minutes for Crossbones to go through his range before Taskmaster copies his style.
A few minutes is not a few seconds and therefore not a Slaughterhouse.

Taskmaster knows the styles of damn near all the best fighters in the Marvel U.Crossbones isn't going to bring anything to the table he hasn't seen before.
Taskmaster more than likely knows what Crossbones can do anyway because Taskmaster helped train Crossbones.Taskmaster has seen Crossbones in action on several occasions.
Taskmaster at one point had to fight plenty of characters whose moves he didn't know.With him already having the moves of the best fighters in the Marvel U..I doubt he will be surprised by a mediocre fighter who has a long history of getting his face stomped in the dirt by people below the fighting skill level of Taskmaster.
It doesn't matter how long it takes for Taskmaster to take Crossbones out as long as Taskmaster is the decisive winner from the get go.If Crossbones doesn't touch him and Taskmaster is kicking his ass..it's still a slaughterhouse.
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He trained him near the front end of his career to my knowledge.
Styles evolve and change and new skills get added.
So Taskmaster does not in all likelyhood know his current style.
Taskamster get's to use one move at a time and although he knows multiple styles, Crossbones has stood up to some of the best ones in his library of styles (unless You don't count Cap or DD as being such).

Mediocre fighter.........You classify a fighter who stood up to Cap America and DD for minutes at a time without going down as mediocre. That description would apply to a Shield agent or some other less trained fighter but certainly not to Crossbones.

As I have pointed out to you, he has physical abilities that rival or exceed those of many other human fighters and this combined with prep time (for an assassin) will allow him to stand his ground. As Taskmaster has numerous weapons as well, no doubt Taskmaster will gain the upper hand due to his greater skill witrh them and come out the winner but I doubt it will be a quick or painless victory.
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#34  Edited By Logic Mark III

Taskmaster will take him out easily. With time to prepare he can use the old speed myself up trick, taking him beyond Crossbones speed level...add a little someth special death touch, throwing stars or even just guns and the guy is dead easy.

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#35  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
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He trained him near the front end of his career to my knowledge.Styles evolve and change and new skills get added.So Taskmaster does not in all likelyhood know his current style.Taskamster get's to use one move at a time and although he knows multiple styles, Crossbones has stood up to some of the best ones in his library of styles (unless You don't count Cap or DD as being such).Mediocre fighter.........You classify a fighter who stood up to Cap America and DD for minutes at a time without going down as mediocre. That description would apply to a Shield agent or some other less trained fighter but certainly not to Crossbones.As I have pointed out to you, he has physical abilities that rival or exceed those of many other human fighters and this combined with prep time (for an assassin) will allow him to stand his ground. As Taskmaster has numerous weapons as well, no doubt Taskmaster will gain the upper hand due to his greater skill witrh them and come out the winner but I doubt it will be a quick or painless victory."
Crossbones is not that good.You are over-estimating him.Taskmaster doesn't have to know his current style going into this fight because people who don't have photographic reflexes have not been taken by surprise.You keep bringing up Daredevil and Cap when Daredevil barely beat Taskmaster and Taskmaster beat Cap twice.Crossbones has not only lost to DD and Cap but people who are much worst fighters than both of them.I might have gone a little to far with mediocre but both Cap and DD have one-shotted better fighters than Crossbones.Crossbones consistently loses to people below the level of Marvel's top class.His physical ability doesn't mean anything.Taskmaster could easily knock Crossbones out.This isn't even a match for him.
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#36  Edited By Dark Comet

And the winner is Task-Master!

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Crossbones is not that good.You are over-estimating him.Taskmaster doesn't have to know his current style going into this fight because people who don't have photographic reflexes have not been taken by surprise.You keep bringing up Daredevil and Cap when Daredevil barely beat Taskmaster and Taskmaster beat Cap twice.Crossbones has not only lost to DD and Cap but people who are much worst fighters than both of them.I might have gone a little to far with mediocre but both Cap and DD have one-shotted better fighters than Crossbones.Crossbones consistently loses to people below the level of Marvel's top class.His physical ability doesn't mean anything.Taskmaster could easily knock Crossbones out.This isn't even a match for him."
No, I think you underestimate him.
If he did not get the job done for the Red Skull don't you think the Red Skull, as an unforgiving Taskmaster (pardon the pun), would have simply killed him. He was his chief assassin for a long time, completing who knows how many nefarious missions.
I say that Taskmaster won't be aware of all of Crossbone's moves and this is one reason why the fight won't end virtually instantly.
I bring up DD and Cap because they considered 2 of the best fighters on Marvel Earth. Standing up to either for only a short period of time (measured in minutes) indicates just how good a fighter is.
I have already discussed Crossbones losing to other lesser fighters but I'm glad that you brought up Taskmaster losing to DD. Makes an interesting counter point.
Who were the fighters that Cap and DD one shoted that were better than Crossbones ?
If they did one shot them, a better question to ask is how did they accomplish this.
Crossbones did not consistently lose to people below the top tier fighters. That's another over simplification.
Again how does holding your own in a fight with top tier fighters translate in to consistently losing to less than top tier fighters.
Subsequent writers have diluted him - that much seems clear - but instead of fixing on his later lesser appearances which seems to be the whole point of this argument, try to take in to account the other apearances as well and use all the evidence.

Dark Comet said:
"And the winner is Task-Master!"
No-one is arguing that.

Logic Mark III said:
"Taskmaster will take him out easily. With time to prepare he can use the old speed myself up trick, taking him beyond Crossbones speed level...add a little someth special death touch, throwing stars or even just guns and the guy is dead easy."
Please.
A top notch assassin who did the dirty jobs for the Red Skull for a number of years won't come prepared......

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#38  Edited By Logic Mark III

@Creator: PLEASE. Being an assassin doesn't mean you are any kind of skilled at all. It just means you are depraved enough to kill people for money. End of the day any man can take someone out with a gun and who says all the targets are Captain America? If i assassinate an 80 year old does that give me the credentials to fight someone like Taskmaster? I don't think so. That 'top assassin' stuff doesn't really matter...especially since Taskmaster is extremely hardcore.

 

Taskmaster doesn't need to be aware of anybodies moves. Why would he? Even if he fought someone he copied he couldn't afford to simply remember their moves. He has to think on his feet and react to whatever they throw. As you said styles evolve, so if he learnt Caps moves 2 days ago doesn't mean they are the same now. With the great knowledge he has he definately has a counter for any close combat scenario, so not knowing Crossbones stuff is irrelevent. Again; add his super speed thing to the mix and he can take Crossbones out nice and quick.

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Logic Mark III said:
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@Creator: PLEASE. Being an assassin doesn't mean you are any kind of skilled at all. It just means you are depraved enough to kill people for money. End of the day any man can take someone out with a gun and who says all the targets are Captain America? If i assassinate an 80 year old does that give me the credentials to fight someone like Taskmaster? I don't think so. That 'top assassin' stuff doesn't really matter...especially since Taskmaster is extremely hardcore.

 

Taskmaster doesn't need to be aware of anybodies moves. Why would he? Even if he fought someone he copied he couldn't afford to simply remember their moves. He has to think on his feet and react to whatever they throw. As you said styles evolve, so if he learnt Caps moves 2 days ago doesn't mean they are the same now. With the great knowledge he has he definately has a counter for any close combat scenario, so not knowing Crossbones stuff is irrelevent. Again; add his super speed thing to the mix and he can take Crossbones out nice and quick.

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When you have anything useful to add to virtually any battle, then the biblical apocalypse will have arrived.

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#40  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
Crossbones is not that good.You are over-estimating him.Taskmaster doesn't have to know his current style going into this fight because people who don't have photographic reflexes have not been taken by surprise.You keep bringing up Daredevil and Cap when Daredevil barely beat Taskmaster and Taskmaster beat Cap twice.Crossbones has not only lost to DD and Cap but people who are much worst fighters than both of them.I might have gone a little to far with mediocre but both Cap and DD have one-shotted better fighters than Crossbones.Crossbones consistently loses to people below the level of Marvel's top class.His physical ability doesn't mean anything.Taskmaster could easily knock Crossbones out.This isn't even a match for him."
No, I think you underestimate him.
If he did not get the job done for the Red Skull don't you think the Red Skull, as an unforgiving Taskmaster (pardon the pun), would have simply killed him. He was his chief assassin for a long time, completing who knows how many nefarious missions.
I say that Taskmaster won't be aware of all of Crossbone's moves and this is one reason why the fight won't end virtually instantly.
I bring up DD and Cap because they considered 2 of the best fighters on Marvel Earth. Standing up to either for only a short period of time (measured in minutes) indicates just how good a fighter is.
I have already discussed Crossbones losing to other lesser fighters but I'm glad that you brought up Taskmaster losing to DD. Makes an interesting counter point.
Who were the fighters that Cap and DD one shoted that were better than Crossbones ?
If they did one shot them, a better question to ask is how did they accomplish this.
Crossbones did not consistently lose to people below the top tier fighters. That's another over simplification.
Again how does holding your own in a fight with top tier fighters translate in to consistently losing to less than top tier fighters.
Subsequent writers have diluted him - that much seems clear - but instead of fixing on his later lesser appearances which seems to be the whole point of this argument, try to take in to account the other apearances as well and use all the evidence.


1.If the Red Skull was going to take Crossbones out for failure..he would have done it already.Crossbones has failed to kill alot of people.Until Civil War he failed to kill Cap several times.
2.Being Red Skull's chief assassin doesn't mean much when you fail to pull of the big hits.Taking out cannon fodder doesn't put you on a level to stand up to Taskmaster.
3.Crossbones doesn't have an extravagant arsenal of moves.I fail to see how Taskmaster whom has studied the styles of Marvel's best and helped train Taskmaster will be surprised by anything Crossbones can do.
4.I know your reasoning for bringing up DD and Cap but what I am saying is Crossbones standing up to them even for a little while is BS because he has easily been taken care of by worse fighters than both even some they trained.His record of losing to people below the level of Cap and DD is on a much larger scale.
5.Crossbones lost to Hawkeye,Diamondback,Falcon,Colleen Wing,and American Eagle.All below the fighting skill level of Cap and DD.Cap even trained Diamondback and Hawkeye,
6.Daredevil held his own against Thor,Namor,and Hulk doesn't mean he can actually hang with people on those levels of physical ability and fighting skill.
7.Bucky has beaten Crossbones 3 times between the time he was Winter Soldier to now being Cap and he has done with absolute ease and took advantage of Crossbones.
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#41  Edited By the creator
Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
Crossbones is not that good.You are over-estimating him.Taskmaster doesn't have to know his current style going into this fight because people who don't have photographic reflexes have not been taken by surprise.You keep bringing up Daredevil and Cap when Daredevil barely beat Taskmaster and Taskmaster beat Cap twice.Crossbones has not only lost to DD and Cap but people who are much worst fighters than both of them.I might have gone a little to far with mediocre but both Cap and DD have one-shotted better fighters than Crossbones.Crossbones consistently loses to people below the level of Marvel's top class.His physical ability doesn't mean anything.Taskmaster could easily knock Crossbones out.This isn't even a match for him."
No, I think you underestimate him.
If he did not get the job done for the Red Skull don't you think the Red Skull, as an unforgiving Taskmaster (pardon the pun), would have simply killed him. He was his chief assassin for a long time, completing who knows how many nefarious missions.
I say that Taskmaster won't be aware of all of Crossbone's moves and this is one reason why the fight won't end virtually instantly.
I bring up DD and Cap because they considered 2 of the best fighters on Marvel Earth. Standing up to either for only a short period of time (measured in minutes) indicates just how good a fighter is.
I have already discussed Crossbones losing to other lesser fighters but I'm glad that you brought up Taskmaster losing to DD. Makes an interesting counter point.
Who were the fighters that Cap and DD one shoted that were better than Crossbones ?
If they did one shot them, a better question to ask is how did they accomplish this.
Crossbones did not consistently lose to people below the top tier fighters. That's another over simplification.
Again how does holding your own in a fight with top tier fighters translate in to consistently losing to less than top tier fighters.
Subsequent writers have diluted him - that much seems clear - but instead of fixing on his later lesser appearances which seems to be the whole point of this argument, try to take in to account the other apearances as well and use all the evidence.


1.If the Red Skull was going to take Crossbones out for failure..he would have done it already.Crossbones has failed to kill alot of people.Until Civil War he failed to kill Cap several times.2.Being Red Skull's chief assassin doesn't mean much when you fail to pull of the big hits.Taking out cannon fodder doesn't put you on a level to stand up to Taskmaster.3.Crossbones doesn't have an extravagant arsenal of moves.I fail to see how Taskmaster whom has studied the styles of Marvel's best and helped train Taskmaster will be surprised by anything Crossbones can do.4.I know your reasoning for bringing up DD and Cap but what I am saying is Crossbones standing up to them even for a little while is BS because he has easily been taken care of by worse fighters than both even some they trained.His record of losing to people below the level of Cap and DD is on a much larger scale.5.Crossbones lost to Hawkeye,Diamondback,Falcon,Colleen Wing,and American Eagle.All below the fighting skill level of Cap and DD.Cap even trained Diamondback and Hawkeye,6.Daredevil held his own against Thor,Namor,and Hulk doesn't mean he can actually hang with people on those levels of physical ability and fighting skill.7.Bucky has beaten Crossbones 3 times between the time he was Winter Soldier to now being Cap and he has done with absolute ease and took advantage of Crossbones."
Vance the only part of this entire waste of time that I disagree with you on is that it will be a 'Slaughterhouse'.
From the start I have agreed that Taskmaster will win.
That term Slaughthouse, along with Curbstomp, are over used and do not paint an accurate picture of virtually any battle except ones where 1 opponent cannot hurt the other and/or one character can 1 shot the other.
As neither show apply to this battle, then it is neither a Slaughthouse or a Curbstomp.
Hey, I'll know you will disgaree but there you go.

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#42  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
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Vance the only part of this entire waste of time that I disagree with you on is that it will be a 'Slaughterhouse'.From the start I have agreed that Taskmaster will win.That term Slaughthouse, along with Curbstomp, are over used and do not paint an accurate picture of virtually any battle except ones where 1 opponent cannot hurt the other and/or one character can 1 shot the other.As neither show apply to this battle, then it is neither a Slaughthouse or a Curbstomp.Hey, I'll know you will disgaree but there you go."
Taskmaster could one-shot Crossbones.
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Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
Vance the only part of this entire waste of time that I disagree with you on is that it will be a 'Slaughterhouse'.From the start I have agreed that Taskmaster will win.That term Slaughthouse, along with Curbstomp, are over used and do not paint an accurate picture of virtually any battle except ones where 1 opponent cannot hurt the other and/or one character can 1 shot the other.As neither show apply to this battle, then it is neither a Slaughthouse or a Curbstomp.Hey, I'll know you will disgaree but there you go."
Taskmaster could one-shot Crossbones."
If he holds his jaw out and let's him.
And Vice versa.

You have your opinion of this fight and I have mine.
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#44  Edited By Logic Mark III

@Creator: What about some maffz? Or some SYENZ? Come on man use the hypotenuse, what about the speed of a rabit in relations to a dead carp...that has to have a bearing here...please...Creator give us some faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacts!!!

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@Creator: What about some maffz? Or some SYENZ? Come on man use the hypotenuse, what about the speed of a rabit in relations to a dead carp...that has to have a bearing here...please...Creator give us some faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacts!!!

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I don't often say this to another vine member as I prefer to have a discussion but Logic STFU please.
If you actually have nothing valid to add, then don't add anything.

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the creator said:
"Logic Mark III said:
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@Creator: What about some maffz? Or some SYENZ? Come on man use the hypotenuse, what about the speed of a rabit in relations to a dead carp...that has to have a bearing here...please...Creator give us some faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacts!!!

"
I don't often say this to another vine member as I prefer to have a discussion but Logic STFU please.If you actually have nothing valid to add, then don't add anything."
Wow Creator never seen you get mad before
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geraldthesloth said:
"the creator said:
"Logic Mark III said:
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@Creator: What about some maffz? Or some SYENZ? Come on man use the hypotenuse, what about the speed of a rabit in relations to a dead carp...that has to have a bearing here...please...Creator give us some faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacts!!!

"
I don't often say this to another vine member as I prefer to have a discussion but Logic STFU please.If you actually have nothing valid to add, then don't add anything."
Wow Creator never seen you get mad before"
Logic appears to like to continue with grudges.
He does not like me using science in comic book battles (or logic apparently) and he does not appreciate me pointing out that what he sees on the page is easy to misinterpret.
I do over analyse sometimes but at least I honestly represent the facts on the page.
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hah funny that his name doesn't apply too him it seems

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#49  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
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Please help me understand how he lost?   Last I checked, Crossbones threw him out the window and Black Widow saved him from the fall.  Anyway,  Crossbones helped teach at the Taskmaster's school...They know each other very well and because of this, Taskmaster should have what it takes to bring Crossbones down.  It's by no means an easy feat though, he's quite tough for just a human.
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k4tzm4n said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the creator said:
"Taskmaster for the win.I don't agree that it would be a slaughterhouse though.Crosbones is a exceptionally skilled hand to hand fighter who also uses a comprehensive list of weapons as well."
Crossbones lost to Bucky with a whole team to help him....
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Please help me understand how he lost?   Last I checked, Crossbones threw him out the window and Black Widow saved him from the fall.  Anyway,  Crossbones helped teach at the Taskmaster's school...They know each other very well and because of this, Taskmaster should have what it takes to bring Crossbones down.  It's by no means an easy feat though, he's quite tough for just a human."
Well last time you checked you should have read the whole comic.Crossbones through Bucky out the window and Bucky shot him 3 times in the chest on the way down.


Knocked out Crossbones
Knocked out Crossbones